| I have to go with Ardeur there, I only read that it had different directors after watching the OVA and it didn't really felt like it was directed by different directors. But knowing that now, makes me think that they all probably attempted faithful adaptations of Kawaguchi's work as they're all similar in style and doesn't attempt to even change slightly the character design. And speaking about the Character design, it looked pretty close to Naoki Urasawa's character designs. It's interesting because their both works are in the Seinen field. I ranked it an 8, but I might reconsider that one in the future, I feel that it's more of an 8.5 rank. I can only conclude that this is a real gem and a really underrated work. [EDIT] I want to savour this classic post number. :D Echelon said: I've heard some really weird things about Real Drive... It definitely got Shirow's presence there, through the cyberpunk genre with it's Shirow's cyberbrain concept which he developed a little more and in another perspective than in GITS. The animation as expected was good and modern, but Ithe story and the characters were weak. It was interesting to watch it in a weekly basis, but not good enough for a rewatch on my end. Watch it only if you've nothing else of Old School Shirow to watch. |
RobdeFRJun 1, 2010 4:39 PM
| Watched MD Geist Frankly speaking, I couldn’t avoid going to this one with low expectations since a lot of people bring the OVA awfully down. Surprisingly I ended enjoying it. This one is another of those sci-fi post apocalyptic OVAs with good doses of gore here and there, just like it needs to have it in certain scenes, and old school Gore is generally well portrayed unlike they do nowadays in modern anime. The story had some inconsistencies, but not enough to ruin the whole OVA. The animation and music was consistent. In the end it was an entertaining brainless ultra violent OVA, and if you’re interested on these kind of stuff, it’ll entertain you too. Pretty good stuff for ‘86. 7/10 |
RobdeFRJun 2, 2010 5:13 PM
| Damn right! I constantly hear about how MD Geist is quite possibly the worst anime ever made. Well those people clearly haven't seen bad anime if they think that. I had nothing but fun watching both MD Geist installments. I didn't grade them super high or anything, but not too low either. It was mindless killing which sometimes is the easiest thing to just sit back and enjoy. Hell, we got some great Kageyama action to close out one of them too. |
| I just finished watching Wings of Honneamise and to be honest I was not impressed at all. While the animation was absolutely top-notch, the characters were simplistic and very hard to like. Then you have the infamous sexual assault scene. I think that warrants its own discussion - not only does it portray a sudden and illogical shift in the main character from "selfish but well-meaning" to "rapist" and then to "born-again religious" the most galling part is his dialogue with the girl afterwards where she says it was her fault for stopping him assaulting her. The depiction of women as weak, passive and ideally submissive to male force is pretty sickening and reminds me in a bad way of Ayn Rand's own views on the subject. And to be honest, that scene soured my appreciation of the film and made the main character's soul-searching seem empty and distasteful. |
HisokaHajime said: Indeed, they haven't watched Madox yet. And Madox scores higher on this site, not that it really matters...Well those people clearly haven't seen bad anime if they think that. |
RobdeFRJun 2, 2010 5:12 PM
| Yeah, I've been thinking of hitting up MD Geist next for my next OVA watch, it looks like something I'll probably get a kick out of too. |
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| Yep, MD Geist was awesome! Haha, downloading the OST from bakabt... I mean, to me it felt no different than watching something like Conan, The Terminator, Total Recall, Predator, etc, may as well been Swartzenager featured animation or something, haha. The visuals were outstanding, definitely one of the better ones I've seen (this is saying a lot since most 80/90's OVA's = sexy). Might hit up the second one soon. |
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| Yeah, I knew you would love it especially the music. |
| I do find it funny though that Geist is Central Park Media's mascot. I'm glad you guys liked it. I've found myself defending it for a while now. I'd watch it again. |
HisokaHajime said: Exactly. One of the reasons I gave it a 7 is bhecause it's stuff that I would like to rewatch again, even if it was only to show to my old buddies that used to watch anime with me in the nineties. Not that I rewatch every title that I give a 7 though.I'd watch it again. Merridian said: I agree with you, the animation and art are consistent, therefore good. Hence my perplexity when I hear people saying it's bad. The eighties had some stuff with bad animattion, but MD Geist was not one of them.I didn't see anything outstanding about the visuals, though. They were about on par with other OVAs from its time, from what I remember. |
| Okay, well I can't say I cared to much for the second part, lol. Part 1 was enough and had a cooler vibe to it, part 2 was a bit too talky for its own good compared to the first one. In the end, this all kind of felt like a really bad Votoms. Haha... |
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| I think you could have predicted that from the get go. 1986 vs 1996. |
| So, when you guys are talking about "I enjoyed MD Geist" you mean specifically the first? :P |
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| For the most part. But the second one isn't so bad. My brother actually prefers that one. But us having this conversation in the old school anime club... it's pretty clear which we're going to like more. Now you guys have to watch Apocalypse Zero. I gave that a 3 because it was bad. But it made me laugh so damn much. It is also extremely memorable which is all I wanted from it going in. One of those so bad that I actually like it type of deals. I'd even watch it again despite the shitty grade. But there was no way I could score it much higher. So fucked up. |
HisokaHajime said: For the most part. But the second one isn't so bad. My brother actually prefers that one. But us having this conversation in the old school anime club... it's pretty clear which we're going to like more. Now you guys have to watch Apocalypse Zero. I gave that a 3 because it was bad. But it made me laugh so damn much. It is also extremely memorable which is all I wanted from it going in. One of those so bad that I actually like it type of deals. I'd even watch it again despite the shitty grade. But there was no way I could score it much higher. So fucked up. A solid average at 4.75 with 400 some votes? Damn that looks epic. |
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| 19.3% gave it a 1. *laughs* |
| Is it anything like the manga? |
| Long suffering /m/subs translator http://msubsreleases.wordpress.com/ |
| Yeah, we where speakning about the first MD Geist. I had them burned in a DVD some years ago and when I went to watch them, I watched both, I saw a difference in animation, but the first from '86 was not behind of the 1996 one. I even thought that they were close to each other in terms of dates. Apocalypse Zero, looks like something that I must watch. :D |
| I haven't read the manga which appears to be 11 volumes. But I won't say much else since I want to see your reactions to it. I'm not even really bashing it for being bad. I appreciate it for making me so baffled while watching it. |
| I watched both movies of MD Geist today and I enjoyed them both for what they are. Pure brainless fun and splatter! The first one is better in my opinion and the music was very good I think! Oh! And I'm not forgetting Kaneto Shiozawa as Krauser in the 2nd movie! |
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Anakin1981 said: I watched both movies of MD Geist today and I enjoyed them both for what they are. Pure brainless fun and splatter! The first one is better in my opinion and the music was very good I think! Oh! And I'm not forgetting Kaneto Shiozawa as Krauser in the 2nd movie! Haha, I thought it was awesome hearing Kaneto again as well. He plays those weird, almost sad kind of roles pretty well. And here he is again in Iczer! Started that up... seems pretty damn weird so far. Also started up the Dirty Pair OVA again, episode 5... there's Shigeru Chiba voicing some crazy martial artist again! Haha, I feel like I can't dodge a show without this guy lately, but I guess I'm not really complaining. |
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Echelon said: Haha, I thought it was awesome hearing Kaneto again as well. He plays those weird, almost sad kind of roles pretty well. And here he is again in Iczer! Started that up... seems pretty damn weird so far. Also started up the Dirty Pair OVA again, episode 5... there's Shigeru Chiba voicing some crazy martial artist again! Haha, I feel like I can't dodge a show without this guy lately, but I guess I'm not really complaining. The narrator in the Ideon series that I'm watching I'm almost certain he's Kaneto Shiozawa. I must make the entry someday...... I have to see Dirty Pair sometime..... |
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| Ah yes! I think that was him. You also probably already noticed, he was that blonde navigator in the show too... whatever the guys name was, lol. Doesn't he play a big role in HnK? I gotta get further in that one someday! |
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| Yeah, he plays Rei in Hokuto no Ken. The coolest character outside of Kenshiro in the series as far as I'm concerned. |
Echelon said: Ah yes! I think that was him. You also probably already noticed, he was that blonde navigator in the show too... whatever the guys name was, lol. Doesn't he play a big role in HnK? I gotta get further in that one someday! Yes you should finish Hokuto no Ken my friend. I'm sure you're gonna love it! HisokaHajime said: Yeah, he plays Rei in Hokuto no Ken. The coolest character outside of Kenshiro in the series as far as I'm concerned. I totally agree about Rei being so cool! |
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| Assemble Insert A pretty fun OVA about a freakishly strong girl who becomes an idol and fights crime. Half of the characters didn't have a nose. *nods* 6/10 |
| Abashiri Family This was a little better than I expected since it held my full attention the whole time. It's your typical Go Nagai work and similar to Kekko Kamen in ways with there being a really messed up school system... 7/10 This got me in the mood for some old school gore so I might hit up Violence Jack soon. |
HisokaHajime said: Abashiri Family This was a little better than I expected since it held my full attention the whole time. It's your typical Go Nagai work and similar to Kekko Kamen in ways with there being a really messed up school system... 7/10 This got me in the mood for some old school gore so I might hit up Violence Jack soon. Haha, interestingly enough I downloaded both those (Abashiri and Kekko Kamen) not too long ago along with New Cutey Honey and some other random similar stuff. Glad to hear they're not too bad. Yeah a lot of you guys keep telling me to keep going in HnK, heh. I always hear people talk about a lot of great characters and it seems like I still haven't reached that point yet, still only a dozen or so episodes in. Looking through the character list it always looks like I've yet to meet a ton of great and popular characters. |
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| uhhhhhhhhhh, lol. Though with the series apparently getting a real R1 release out of nowhere, that could be a really good excuse to pick it up again. Heh. http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827/catalogmgr/N7h7CWYJPL7l8nk7QZ/browse/item/87111/4/0/0 |
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HisokaHajime said: Buahaha! Awesome massacre. ( I kind of did the same embarrassed figure every time the opening started... :P |
| On the course of the last days, I have watched. And Dr. Slump Movie 7 – From Penguin Village With Love and Movie 9 – The Super Exciting Summer Vacation I always wanted to check the Dr. Slump series, but unfortunately no one bothered to translate it yet, it’s odd because Toriyama also did Dragonball and that one is insanely popular all around the world. Anyway, I have a couple of French manga versions of Dr. Slump and from what I understand it is very funny. We also have that Dragonball episode when Songoku arrives at the Penguin village and that was pretty cool. Fortunately we also had some movies uploaded recently. Dr. Slump in case someone don’t know about it, has a very similar distracting comedy going on on the wave of early dragonball without all the fighting. And if you love that early Dragonball type of stories when Goku was all small and pretty innocent, you’ll love Dr. Slump too. 7/10 to both movies. ----------------------------------------------- Minna Agechau Another weird Echii crazy anime from 1987. This time around it starts with the girl knoking on the boys door offering herself to the boy. The girl happens then to be insanely rich and also have a private estate just like Mendou of Urusei Yatsura, including the private army and non sentical stuff like that. Her parents approve of the dating but her granma doesn’t, the rest is history. Concerning the echiiness of the anime it covered strange stuff as usual on his kind of echii OVAs. 6/10 -------------------------------------------------- Locke the Superman Pretty nice sci-fi esper movie from 1984 in the same vein as Terra E…, Justy and They Were Eleven. The animation reminded me of They Were Eleven the most. Don’t know why but I spotted some Shoujo elements here and there, perhaps by the female character designs, but something brought “shoujo” into my head when I was watching some female scenes of the movie. If we take into consideration that Terra E… was a shoujo manga from the start and that the movie ended influencing sci-fi anime at the time, it makes some sense. Anyway, the movie itself is not a shoujo anime nor anything similar and I may be thinking too much on it. The story was good, not strong nor timeless, but good enough to keep you focused on it for the most part, perhaps it’s too long and some scenes though not bad were not probably needed. The characters were good, The music was pretty nice too 7/10 ---------------------------------------------------- On A Paper Crane - Tomoko's Adventure Very powerful material here guys. A big anti-war message is shown though the eyes of a young girl who went to visit a Hiroshima museum without much knowledge on the subject, you can predict how she felt, she and myself. Grave Of the fireflies and Barefoot Gen type of material here. Pretty strong. 8/10 Interesting fact, is that Arihara Seiji , the director, directed on more anime based of the second war., unfortunately, most aren’t available translated. In case you're curious. I found it here a couple of months ago. It's US english dubbed and it's a VHS rip with low quality but it's well worth the watch. I'm still seeding it too. |
RobdeFRJun 6, 2010 2:55 PM
| Haven't heard of Locke or Justy, both look pretty cool. |
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| Echelon I think you should see them both when you have time. Locke was one of my favourites as a kid and I still have the original movie as one of my favourites. I believe it's a bit better than Cosmo Police Justy or Blue Sonnet which they also have espers. Justy seems like a short version of Locke if you watch both of them! Unfortunately I have seen only the original movie (many times since childhood) and "New World Command" from the Locke stories. I can't find the others anywhere.... |
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| Following my Arihara Seiji visualizations, I naturally ended watching Ushiro no Shoumen Daare, which I was postponing for some time. Another goldie piece of animated dramatic and emotional story. As usual as it happens when this theme is brought up, it’s a anti-war story, but also a story about regular people, realistically portraying the everyday life of a typical Japanese family on the 5 years before the end of the war, viewed from the eyes of the younger member of the family, little Kayoko. I specially enjoyed typical child fantasies and fears of little Kayoko on the beginning of the movie like being afraid of going to the washroom at night and stuff like that. I liked how the child was realistically portrayed, most people can relate with her little trials typical of that age. But then as the years passed by and with the country situation going worse day by day she was forced to grow up. 9/10 Now I hope to see more Arihara Seiji works translated someday. |
Anakin1981 said: Echelon I think you should see them both when you have time. Locke was one of my favourites as a kid and I still have the original movie as one of my favourites. I believe it's a bit better than Cosmo Police Justy or Blue Sonnet which they also have espers. Justy seems like a short version of Locke if you watch both of them! Unfortunately I have seen only the original movie (many times since childhood) and "New World Command" from the Locke stories. I can't find the others anywhere.... Yeah I've got them downloading, I saw BakaBT also has the other Locke OVA you mentioned. But yeah seeing Rob compare this stuff to They Were Eleven and the Terre E movie got me really interested! And I'm always down for more obscure classic space opera stuff. I've got the Crusher Joe stuff downloaded recently too, plan to watch those soon. I never hear a lot about them, but some people seem to really enjoy them. |
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| I just watched the Battle Angel Alita OVA and wow, I really enjoyed that one. 8/10 I'd say and now I'm very interested in checking out the manga eventually... was the OVA supposed to be that short originally? Ends on a pretty depressing note, but I've always heard a lot about the manga and I'm guessing the OVA barely covered anything. Its job must have been to get people interested in the manga I'd say... and I'd say a job well done, heh. |
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| I remember jack shit about it. It's been so damn long and I just gave it a random grade when I was making my list here. You and Rob both giving it an 8 has me thinking I should rewatch it. |
| Yeah, it totally dumps you randomly into the story, but the atmosphere was pretty heavy, great music, had good production values, and overall seemed really good to me. Also loving the sig, heh. |
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| I think I was half asleep when I saw the Battle Angel Alita OVA (it was something like 3am at the uni's anime society marathon). I do remember liking it though. |
| Long suffering /m/subs translator http://msubsreleases.wordpress.com/ |
| It's as Echelon said. The atmosphere that it had it was quite powerful. I remember that I was so affected by it that I nearly didn't mind the lack of conclusion on the OVA. Later i read that it was a teaser to make people buy the manga. |
Echelon said: Yeah I've got them downloading, I saw BakaBT also has the other Locke OVA you mentioned. But yeah seeing Rob compare this stuff to They Were Eleven and the Terre E movie got me really interested! And I'm always down for more obscure classic space opera stuff. I've got the Crusher Joe stuff downloaded recently too, plan to watch those soon. I never hear a lot about them, but some people seem to really enjoy them. Locke, Justy and Blue Sonnet are not space operas. They only have espers and a sci-fi story. Maybe only in the first movie of Locke we can say that it has space opera elements. As for Crusher Joe the movie is very good and I enjoyed it enough and the 2 OVA's are a few steps below the movie in my personal opinion. |
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| Mugen Shinshi aka Dream Dimension Gentleman Entertaining little OVA directed towards children. It was cool when the alligator men showed up and a “Terminator” similar theme would play giving a scary atmosphere to the scene, but then the comedy like villains would come next and the scary feeling would be gone for good. 6/10 Dragon’s Heaven This one starts with a very unusual model kit mecha in motion and made me wonder if I had downloaded the wrong file, but a quick glance some minutes ahead on the file cleared my thoughts. Another sci-fi OVA from late eighties rich period. A robot awakens after being one thousand years inactive and befriends a girl and finsds that his robot enemy was still alive after all this time. The animation is pretty good and the art style on the machinery is a little different than the usual, if you can imagine a crossing between Miyazaki’s and Shirow’s artstyles in their machines you got an idea how’s it here. For a 40 minute OVA the story wrapped in a nice way. Pleasant stuff. 7/10 |
| Crusher Joe (movie) is more entertaining & adventurous and funny and with a more complex plot nevertheless. OVAs use more serious approach, there not so much humor and so the atmosphere a bit different. But i'm personally still liked them. I would like to see these things about space "mercenaries"(for example Crusher Joe, Cowboy Bebop, Outlaw Star) more often. Such a great theme. And it gets kinda neglected in my opinion. Battle Angel Alita(or GUNNM) was one of the best pieces i remember watching on VHS back in the day. I loved it profoundly, it was very good. Cyberpunk atmosphere, this floating "paradise"(as a concept), the drama, the romance. Especially i loved the theme about "chasing after the dream". That this guy was dreaming about life "up there" so much that he totally overlooked the life he could be spending in the "junk"-city below. And love of Gally for that matter. Emotionally i think it's a very strong anime. |
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| Thanks for the info Ardeur. The atmosphere and setting for Alita is definitely what captivated me, I'm also hearing the artist for the manga is really good as well so it sounds like the art is very good in that. I will definitely have to get around to it sometime, loving the setting and what I saw in the OVA. @Rob: Cool to hear Dragon's Heaven is pretty cool. I thought the same thing when I downloaded it and skimmed through it though, it almost looks like a weird "making of" documentary at times, but yeah. Looks pretty cool, I hear the main character apparently looks like Samus Aran or something? Haha. Might finally watch that one sometime soon. I'm thinking... I might hit up Gall Force here soon. I'm still on a big OVA/movie click right now and maybe that'd be a good choice... |
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| Dragon's Heaven is an OK OVA but it's not even 40 minutes if you remove the starting sequence and the ending titles. If I remember correctly it's not more than 25 minutes. I was expecting something more of it to be honest.... |
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| Fortunately and thanks to my lousy memory, I had forgotten what I read about the OVA in the past, so I ended going to watch it with no expectations. It happens a lot with me, I pile up a good amount of stuff to watch and then when I eventually get to watch them, I don't really remember why I downloaded them in the first place, it can quite positive some times. As soon as I saw the female lead, I figured out the nature of the anime, so that kind of conclusion of it didn't bothered me. It was just a fun OVA that came out of a rich period of animation filled up with mindless OVAs. |
Merridian said: I gave it a 6 because it made me laugh so hard. As for Hokuto no Ken. When it got licensed again, the newer company said it was going to be X amount of box sets. I think they also licensed the second series. So there is at least the intent to release it all as of right now. |
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