Guimi Zhi Zhu: Xiaochou Pian Episode 4 Discussion

it did though. yeah, you may not have understood it. but it told everything

@supremeone55
To paraphrase Sanderson: a character's ability to solve a problem using magic should not exceed the viewer's understanding of said magic.

Now you assert that the anime has explained this. So, let's try this.

1. Klein escaping capture via pre-established methods. No problems here (unless future explanation is lacking).
2. So after escaping, he has a spell to undo the possession? Why could Klein not do this before? What changed?

There are no rules, at least nothing I have seen from the prior episodes. So, can you explain this without referring to the source material not covered or adapted in the anime?

@Mathi786 Incantations are random and also, not random. There’s a structure to it and at the same time there is freedom.

Hermes is a powerful language. It’s a language that naturally contains magical power. So if you chant in Hermes without guidance, you might attract evil forces. So there’s a structure to these chants so that you can address your prayers to the right person/deity and there is little harm to you.

First a wall of spirituality: it creates some sort of bubble around you and reduces interference from outside and also reduces the likelihood of your chants/prayers being heard by malicious forces

Second, you have to use the right title and honorifics of whoever you’re addressing. For most gods, 3 lines are enough.

Third, you have to make your request as humbly as possible. This can actually be anything. So here is where the freedom applies. Chants are not fixed. They are just like prayers and it’s you making a request to the god to help you with something. If your soul or faith/spirituality is devout enough, the god may listen to you. That’s how it works for the orthodox gods. The evil gods don’t really give af. As long as you’re sacrificing something valuable, they are willing to help.

I hope this answers your question now

I dunno about slowing down the pace, it’s still a ton of scenes with no proper transitions, and they still don’t explain anything properly. If the hero’s thoughts, shown a couple of times, are supposed to be an explanation of what’s going on, then I’m at a loss—his thoughts and how he arrived at them sometimes feel like they need their own explanation. The fact that the MC is isekai’d but not really isekai’d plays a cruel trick here, and in the end, you don’t know if he’s just doing random nonsense or if it’s all part of some mystical “plan.” There’s also the issue of how I’m supposed to remember these side characters when they all look practically identical.

Now, about the plot.

The whole deal with the wallet felt like the ritual literally forces you to act like an actor, play along with the situation, and then fate bends to your will, like with that absolute luck potion from Harry Potter. Speaking of Harry Potter, are mages and muggles separate here? Because this guy just joins a club, tells everyone about his class, as if they’re supposed to know what it is. Or is this, like, a strictly mage-only club where everyone’s a combat unit of the “Seer” class, level 9? And they just forgot to explain how the MC found them—guess fate brought them together again. The MC walks up for a card, says he’s been there since morning, even though he literally just walked in, talked to some dude, and now he’s here, and the girl at the reception already calls him “outstanding” based on some other guy’s words, who hasn’t even met him yet. And this is about a guy who’s at the minimum level after one case at work 👍. Seems like everything here is predetermined by fate, so nobody cares who you are now or what you did before—everyone’s only interested in who you’ll become in the future.

Epic music again, yeehaw. At the meeting, the MC’s voice gets all cringey again, totally not matching his appearance. The “Sailor” class and the “Spectator” class—now I’m curious: if they invent something like an iPhone in their world, will there be an “iPhone Assembler” class, level 9, or a “Python Programmer”, level 8 class? I mean, ships and sailing aren’t something humans have had since forever, so it’d be weird to have profession-based classes for things that don’t even exist yet. So, if a new human profession pops up, does that mean the local RPG class system gets an update? And if a dog drinks a Sailor potion, does it have a chance to become a ship captain? Or if it drinks a Seer potion, will it start digging up the whole yard looking for mysteries? The isekai’d guy’s wisdom in action—can’t wait for him to start inventing toilets and bicycles 😂 or spouting obvious stuff that makes everyone lose their minds. The epic music is blasting so loud I can’t even hear the MC anymore, let’s goooo.

Let’s mention again that our MC is special, and he’s not just doing random crap he doesn’t understand—let’s say he’s like a god because he managed to recite three lines. The guy randomly comes up with a spell, tells the meeting folks to read it, and the blue-haired dude decides because of this that the MC is literally a god. Reminds me of Demiurge from Overlord, who’d twist any of his master’s nonsense into pure genius.

Can someone remind me who that guy hanging out with his sister is? Have they shown him before? Oh, turns out the MC had a brother this whole time, but he didn’t live with them, and they only pointed him out once with a photo in this episode and in a post-credits scene in episode 2, where it just looked like some random dude invited to the new house. The blandness of the local characters strikes again, and honestly, I thought the MC just invited his captain-colleague over to housewarming.

They keep praising the MC, like, “Oh, how handsome he is.” They just said that three-line summonings are god-level stuff, and then they immediately show a schoolgirl doing the exact same thing in front of a mirror to summon some random hobo on the other side 👍. A Seer predicted in advance which random person to give a mirror to so it’d end up in the right place at the right time to mess with the MC, who just happened to show up at his sister’s friend’s birthday party. But somehow, he didn’t predict how it’d all turn out 👍. Once again, the totally-not-overpowered fog saves the MC 👍. I feel like I won’t survive another duel between two predictors. Honestly, all the plot nonsense is completely justified by “Well, the enemy was a predictor,” and no further explanation is needed. I predict that next, it’ll be like, “I tried to predict that guy, but he’s a level 8 rap-reader, and his defense is too strong.” By the way, if the enemy predictor was drawing his predictive power from his masters, does that mean his super-cool masters couldn’t predict how awesome the MC is, or did they deliberately send this extra to his death? They said in the last episode that the MC barely knows how to shoot, but now he’s blasting away like Vash the Stampede, alright. Totally not your average isekai where the MC is instantly buddies with a near-princess who’s woken up by six maids in the morning, because fate brought them together 👍. The magical talking dog mascot is also here, just like in every standard isekai from the last 10 years.

On the plus side, there’s less of the out-of-place flashy graphics now, and they shoved it all into the meeting scene. There are fewer effeminate, slicked-back guys on screen, and the static backgrounds here are actually pretty nice.

I dunno about slowing down the pace, it’s still a ton of scenes with no proper transitions, and they still don’t explain anything properly. If the hero’s thoughts, shown a couple of times, are supposed to be an explanation of what’s going on, then I’m at a loss—his thoughts and how he arrived at them sometimes feel like they need their own explanation. The fact that the MC is isekai’d but not really isekai’d plays a cruel trick here, and in the end, you don’t know if he’s just doing random nonsense or if it’s all part of some mystical “plan.” There’s also the issue of how I’m supposed to remember these side characters when they all look practically identical.

Now, about the plot.

The whole deal with the wallet felt like the ritual literally forces you to act like an actor, play along with the situation, and then fate bends to your will, like with that absolute luck potion from Harry Potter. Speaking of Harry Potter, are mages and muggles separate here? Because this guy just joins a club, tells everyone about his class, as if they’re supposed to know what it is. Or is this, like, a strictly mage-only club where everyone’s a combat unit of the “Seer” class, level 9? And they just forgot to explain how the MC found them—guess fate brought them together again. The MC walks up for a card, says he’s been there since morning, even though he literally just walked in, talked to some dude, and now he’s here, and the girl at the reception already calls him “outstanding” based on some other guy’s words, who hasn’t even met him yet. And this is about a guy who’s at the minimum level after one case at work 👍. Seems like everything here is predetermined by fate, so nobody cares who you are now or what you did before—everyone’s only interested in who you’ll become in the future.

Epic music again, yeehaw. At the meeting, the MC’s voice gets all cringey again, totally not matching his appearance. The “Sailor” class and the “Spectator” class—now I’m curious: if they invent something like an iPhone in their world, will there be an “iPhone Assembler” class, level 9, or a “Python Programmer”, level 8 class? I mean, ships and sailing aren’t something humans have had since forever, so it’d be weird to have profession-based classes for things that don’t even exist yet. So, if a new human profession pops up, does that mean the local RPG class system gets an update? And if a dog drinks a Sailor potion, does it have a chance to become a ship captain? Or if it drinks a Seer potion, will it start digging up the whole yard looking for mysteries? The isekai’d guy’s wisdom in action—can’t wait for him to start inventing toilets and bicycles 😂 or spouting obvious stuff that makes everyone lose their minds. The epic music is blasting so loud I can’t even hear the MC anymore, let’s goooo.

Let’s mention again that our MC is special, and he’s not just doing random crap he doesn’t understand—let’s say he’s like a god because he managed to recite three lines. The guy randomly comes up with a spell, tells the meeting folks to read it, and the blue-haired dude decides because of this that the MC is literally a god. Reminds me of Demiurge from Overlord, who’d twist any of his master’s nonsense into pure genius.

Can someone remind me who that guy hanging out with his sister is? Have they shown him before? Oh, turns out the MC had a brother this whole time, but he didn’t live with them, and they only pointed him out once with a photo in this episode and in a post-credits scene in episode 2, where it just looked like some random dude invited to the new house. The blandness of the local characters strikes again, and honestly, I thought the MC just invited his captain-colleague over to housewarming.

They keep praising the MC, like, “Oh, how handsome he is.” They just said that three-line summonings are god-level stuff, and then they immediately show a schoolgirl doing the exact same thing in front of a mirror to summon some random hobo on the other side 👍. A Seer predicted in advance which random person to give a mirror to so it’d end up in the right place at the right time to mess with the MC, who just happened to show up at his sister’s friend’s birthday party. But somehow, he didn’t predict how it’d all turn out 👍. Once again, the totally-not-overpowered fog saves the MC 👍. I feel like I won’t survive another duel between two predictors. Honestly, all the plot nonsense is completely justified by “Well, the enemy was a predictor,” and no further explanation is needed. I predict that next, it’ll be like, “I tried to predict that guy, but he’s a level 8 rap-reader, and his defense is too strong.” By the way, if the enemy predictor was drawing his predictive power from his masters, does that mean his super-cool masters couldn’t predict how awesome the MC is, or did they deliberately send this extra to his death? They said in the last episode that the MC barely knows how to shoot, but now he’s blasting away like Vash the Stampede, alright. Totally not your average isekai where the MC is instantly buddies with a near-princess who’s woken up by six maids in the morning, because fate brought them together 👍. The magical talking dog mascot is also here, just like in every standard isekai from the last 10 years.

On the plus side, there’s less of the out-of-place flashy graphics now, and they shoved it all into the meeting scene. There are fewer effeminate, slicked-back guys on screen, and the static backgrounds here are actually pretty nice.

@OrigamistToo this post is too real 😂 feels like people are hypnotized by the amazing graphics and epic vibe the show has

@Avarion

for 2

Because ritual magic requires a series of operations before pray to the gods, as demonstrated by Old Neil.

Before getting rid of the constraints, there is still a operation of burning symbol paper that has not been completed.
（Some frames of burning symbol paper with blue flames）

After breaking free from the constraints, Klein completed this action so that he could continue to pray to the gods.

In fact, the fixed format incantation (the part that cannot be changed) is voiced in Hermes language, while the prayer content that can be changed later is dubbed in Chinese

hope this is helpful

O CACHORRO FALOU, CINEMA PRA CARALHOOO PQP!!!

I dunno about slowing down the pace, it’s still a ton of scenes with no proper transitions, and they still don’t explain anything properly. If the hero’s thoughts, shown a couple of times, are supposed to be an explanation of what’s going on, then I’m at a loss—his thoughts and how he arrived at them sometimes feel like they need their own explanation. The fact that the MC is isekai’d but not really isekai’d plays a cruel trick here, and in the end, you don’t know if he’s just doing random nonsense or if it’s all part of some mystical “plan.” There’s also the issue of how I’m supposed to remember these side characters when they all look practically identical.

Now, about the plot.

The whole deal with the wallet felt like the ritual literally forces you to act like an actor, play along with the situation, and then fate bends to your will, like with that absolute luck potion from Harry Potter. Speaking of Harry Potter, are mages and muggles separate here? Because this guy just joins a club, tells everyone about his class, as if they’re supposed to know what it is. Or is this, like, a strictly mage-only club where everyone’s a combat unit of the “Seer” class, level 9? And they just forgot to explain how the MC found them—guess fate brought them together again. The MC walks up for a card, says he’s been there since morning, even though he literally just walked in, talked to some dude, and now he’s here, and the girl at the reception already calls him “outstanding” based on some other guy’s words, who hasn’t even met him yet. And this is about a guy who’s at the minimum level after one case at work 👍. Seems like everything here is predetermined by fate, so nobody cares who you are now or what you did before—everyone’s only interested in who you’ll become in the future.

Epic music again, yeehaw. At the meeting, the MC’s voice gets all cringey again, totally not matching his appearance. The “Sailor” class and the “Spectator” class—now I’m curious: if they invent something like an iPhone in their world, will there be an “iPhone Assembler” class, level 9, or a “Python Programmer”, level 8 class? I mean, ships and sailing aren’t something humans have had since forever, so it’d be weird to have profession-based classes for things that don’t even exist yet. So, if a new human profession pops up, does that mean the local RPG class system gets an update? And if a dog drinks a Sailor potion, does it have a chance to become a ship captain? Or if it drinks a Seer potion, will it start digging up the whole yard looking for mysteries? The isekai’d guy’s wisdom in action—can’t wait for him to start inventing toilets and bicycles 😂 or spouting obvious stuff that makes everyone lose their minds. The epic music is blasting so loud I can’t even hear the MC anymore, let’s goooo.

Let’s mention again that our MC is special, and he’s not just doing random crap he doesn’t understand—let’s say he’s like a god because he managed to recite three lines. The guy randomly comes up with a spell, tells the meeting folks to read it, and the blue-haired dude decides because of this that the MC is literally a god. Reminds me of Demiurge from Overlord, who’d twist any of his master’s nonsense into pure genius.

Can someone remind me who that guy hanging out with his sister is? Have they shown him before? Oh, turns out the MC had a brother this whole time, but he didn’t live with them, and they only pointed him out once with a photo in this episode and in a post-credits scene in episode 2, where it just looked like some random dude invited to the new house. The blandness of the local characters strikes again, and honestly, I thought the MC just invited his captain-colleague over to housewarming.

They keep praising the MC, like, “Oh, how handsome he is.” They just said that three-line summonings are god-level stuff, and then they immediately show a schoolgirl doing the exact same thing in front of a mirror to summon some random hobo on the other side 👍. A Seer predicted in advance which random person to give a mirror to so it’d end up in the right place at the right time to mess with the MC, who just happened to show up at his sister’s friend’s birthday party. But somehow, he didn’t predict how it’d all turn out 👍. Once again, the totally-not-overpowered fog saves the MC 👍. I feel like I won’t survive another duel between two predictors. Honestly, all the plot nonsense is completely justified by “Well, the enemy was a predictor,” and no further explanation is needed. I predict that next, it’ll be like, “I tried to predict that guy, but he’s a level 8 rap-reader, and his defense is too strong.” By the way, if the enemy predictor was drawing his predictive power from his masters, does that mean his super-cool masters couldn’t predict how awesome the MC is, or did they deliberately send this extra to his death? They said in the last episode that the MC barely knows how to shoot, but now he’s blasting away like Vash the Stampede, alright. Totally not your average isekai where the MC is instantly buddies with a near-princess who’s woken up by six maids in the morning, because fate brought them together 👍. The magical talking dog mascot is also here, just like in every standard isekai from the last 10 years.

On the plus side, there’s less of the out-of-place flashy graphics now, and they shoved it all into the meeting scene. There are fewer effeminate, slicked-back guys on screen, and the static backgrounds here are actually pretty nice.

@Mathi786 Incantations are random and also, not random. There’s a structure to it and at the same time there is freedom.

Hermes is a powerful language. It’s a language that naturally contains magical power. So if you chant in Hermes without guidance, you might attract evil forces. So there’s a structure to these chants so that you can address your prayers to the right person/deity and there is little harm to you.

First a wall of spirituality: it creates some sort of bubble around you and reduces interference from outside and also reduces the likelihood of your chants/prayers being heard by malicious forces

Second, you have to use the right title and honorifics of whoever you’re addressing. For most gods, 3 lines are enough.

Third, you have to make your request as humbly as possible. This can actually be anything. So here is where the freedom applies. Chants are not fixed. They are just like prayers and it’s you making a request to the god to help you with something. If your soul or faith/spirituality is devout enough, the god may listen to you. That’s how it works for the orthodox gods. The evil gods don’t really give af. As long as you’re sacrificing something valuable, they are willing to help.

I hope this answers your question now

@OrigamistToo
first of all, Beyonders are so few and far in-between in society, most non-beyonders may not even get to meet 1 single beyonder in their whole life or even come to witness "consciously" any of these surnatural happenings, the churches constantly make sure to leave the masses in the dark about all this.
What I want to say by this, Klein has simply joined a typical divination club ran mostly by "normal" people that luck out sometimes and get things right while 99% of the time they just pull up some random "vague" results that can be interpreted in any shape and form for all possible outcomes (basically Bullshit) the only striking difference is that gods are heavily believed to exist in this world by everyone, and their followers , including these so-called diviners pray to them for their wishes or requests, hence sometimes and coupled with the fact that spirituality exists within everyone (according to the creation myth already briefly mentioned , in episode 2) thus, they can still achieve *sometimes* some kind of a surnatural feat, if the party they pray to wills so (just like this Mc's sister Melissa's friend from this ep4 with the magic mirror)
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the reception girl calls MC to be outstanding because he literally noticed about one of their best long-standing diviners' illness using his actual-legit spirit vision ability, he literally saved his life from a soon-to-be terminal illness
you can infer the rest why they would think he's outstanding
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he explicitly calls himself "Seer", because seer and "diviner" are synonymous when it comes to divining stuff
he's literally putting the "acting principle" under test here, to see if his potion would digest faster by doing so
the very reason he came into this Divination club and paid 5 pounds for the membership (paid for by the Nighthawks' expenses as he mentioned the captain and even Roselle that came up with this idea -by plagiarizing it from our world, obviously- within the episode, just like how Old Neil "taught him" in the 2nd or 3rd episode by following his tips when it comes to these "extra expenses" paid by the profession's perks, abusing the system basically) , this way he gets to digest it faster by being "perceived as a seer" based on his impression and actions or feats.
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The very feat itself of "kidnapping" people's souls or astral projection from god knows where/what distance and without none of them noticing how, even someone as relatively experienced a Beyonder as Alger the Hanged Man (from the sailor pathway)
deep within the seas, raising his senses to the maximum , pulling them into such a grandiose realm as if you are walking above the clouds right under the stars or such
without having any control or consent about any of that (you can't even leave unless He willed to, and you can be pulled into there at any moment at their mere whims , is a testament of something very very high level
(that's how they perceived him in the 1st episode)
But now that he's explicitly telling them about how to recite his "honorific name" the "prayer" they have to attempt , in which case it succeeds it would be akin to a "phone call" , it being tertiary is a testament of divinity, someone equivalent in level and status as the gods themselves (the common sense of ritualistic magic and prayer in their world)
OFC they would freak out when they have ample of proofs/feats emulating things straight out of fleeting legends or myths of epochs foregone beyond their comprehension!
you mentioned the other girl from the party making the same, but no, you are mistaken in it being towards some "random guy" , it's literally towards a controversial existence known as the "True Creator" , the very same being the Aurora Order worships, the very same entity represented by the imagery of a "Hanging Giant" , the very same figure visualized by Captain Dunn Smith upon trying to investigate Vincent
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dude, his brother Benson already appeared in EP2's post-credits, he is also shown in the Chibi animation (blame Crunchyroll, that is LITERALLY part of the episodes as well, that were excluded by Crunchyroll for some God knows what reason!)
on that same topic, they did not upload Old Neil's Class short-but-very-insightful animation (follow-ups to each episode) neither...
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if you follow the episode's narrative carefully, you'd realize that it was in-fact the Aurora Order that left the Antigonus Family's Notebook to OG Klein and his friends , in order to be their "sacrificial lambs" by opening and getting the info of the book for them, suiciding in the process, then the Aurora Order reap the benefits of their findings
but then Vincent messed up and now Klein is SMH alive and the notebook is within the Nighthawks' grasp
Oracle Mr. Z gave Vincent a last chance to correct his fumble by collecting whatever Klein seem to have gained of knowledge from the book (they think he did, since he came out alive out of the predicament even after reading through it)
the rest is evident.
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The fog is quite useful, but it is by no means excessively OP, the balance (for whatever Klein faces) is just right
this is all but S9 shenanigans, why wouldn't the fog be able to save him when he literally saved him against the Antigonus Puppet which even non-diffed a Sequence 7 seer (that clown guy from EP3)?
"MC barely knows how to shoot"
The seer potion (as in any other psyche/mental/spirituality) kind of mention does improve his memory/and a more sensitive mind/view)
this does help in quickly acquiring a decency in skills such as shooting indirectly
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If you have any doubts about this story, try reading the Webnovel if you can do so, it's all completed too
All I'm saying, there is a very good reason why it is so-highly praised as one of the very best stories from anything that came from Asian countries be it Japan, Korea, and China, any medium at that
Calling this your typical Isekai cannot be any further from the truth.
I'd be first to admit that the pace of the first 3 episodes have been very rushed, especially the 2nd episode
(knowing the things they have left out-of-context -ed , or skipped altogether such as his shooting practice arc, or his civilian Nighthawk arc before mustering his motivation-together to tread the path of a Beyonder) it's a bit regretful , this nonsensical 3-Episodes-Rule to make it into the Clown fight by Episode 3 no-matter-what by Tencent
but otherwise, it is not detrimental by anyhow, simply a bit on the rough side when it comes to starts, without mentioning if you actually make just a tiny bit of effort to watch the cut content by Crunchyroll (Chibi animation + Old Neil's Class) for each episode (4 each so far just like the numbers of episodes themselves) You'd be all-fine
You can find them all translated in Merlin Sparrow 's channel
AniNews 2 videos also cover most of the things rushed, sneakily explained , sometimes even visually-only (it's all there, but you need considerable observational skills to notice!) or the skipped parts I mentioned some of earlier, notably the MC's family, the pathways info up to this point and such
I'd suggest watching his 2 videos on those, not too long too and pretty informative while still being entertaining enough.

@truecyc226

Thank you for answering.

There are steps to the ritual that needs completion. Thematically, the occult and religious elements are great. However, we haven't established the boundaries of Klein's rituals: what can it and more importantly, what can it not do.

If the audience does not show this to us, then the magic is just pretty flashes of light, which is a real shame because when the author does establish the boundary (like the episode 3 doll), then we can make sense of why the fighters did what they did. Hopefully, we'll have more fights choreographed like that.

@M_Yue "Most people who aren’t Beyonders might never encounter one in their entire lives or even consciously witness a supernatural event." - Yet the MC conveniently finds a divine ritual kit literally in the house of some rich dude at just the right moment.

"The girl at the reception calls the MC outstanding because he actually noticed that one of their best and most experienced diviners is seriously ill." From that scene, it was clear she was relaying the words of another guy—a villain—who was divining something in the crowd. That scene with the guy’s lungs happened right before the reception conversation, so it would look weird if the MC got up from the table with the sick guy, went to the girl, and she’s already passing on the sick guy’s words. It’s obvious they skipped 2-45 chapters of the plot, where the MC was showing off some gypsy tricks, but that doesn’t justify the adaptation.

"He wants to check if it’ll help him digest the potion faster." And what does digesting the potion faster even do for him? Because in both the second and third episodes, he’s already using his abilities to the fullest, and no one has ever doubted his powers even once.

"He visited the divination club on purpose." Again, they completely skipped how he found it. There are scenes with the wallet and the ritual—bam, suddenly they show the sign of the divination club that the MC has already arrived at.

"But now, when he directly tells them how to properly pronounce his 'honorary name'." In my translation, he literally told them to "conduct an experiment" with the spell and didn’t call it his honorary name at all. It better not turn out that anyone can just come up with a three-line poem and then be called a god.

"No, she appealed to one of the most mysterious entities—the 'True Creator'." Well, if what’s happening is so mundane that an ordinary muggle girl can do it, why are other people so surprised by it?

"Hey, his brother Benson already appeared in the post-credits of the second episode." Which is exactly what I wrote in my message you’re responding to. Here, he feels like a completely side element, whose existence I’m supposed to know about in advance. In the anime industry, it’s standard to make additional chibi episodes separate from the main anime—that’s how it works everywhere if they’re longer than 2 minutes.

"The Fog is indeed useful, but it’s by no means overpowered. The balance of power (for everything Klein faces) is quite adequate." Well, so far it just creates a pocket dimension where he can pull people from anywhere in the world and create things with his mind, and it saves the main character’s life from certain death time and time again.

"The Seer potion (like any other potion of psyche/mind/spirituality) improves memory and makes the mind more sensitive. This indirectly helps master skills like shooting faster." I guess the anime skipped all of this too, because it looks like, “I don’t know how to shoot, so I hit the clown purely by luck,” only to then instantly shoot a handheld mirror off a girl-monster.

"If you have any doubts about this story, try reading the web novel." With an adaptation like this, it actually discourages me from wanting to read it, just like watching some separate chibi stories for 10-15 minutes or random YouTube videos.

"Calling it a typical isekai anime is a huge misconception." Well, again, so far the anime only stands out from standard isekai with its Victorian England setting and the money splashed across the screen. Many of the genre’s plot tropes don’t stand out at all.

I apologize for the crooked quotation, these are the troubles of the neural network through which I translate the answers.
Thanks for the response anyway.


@Mathi786
Thank you, I completely agree. The show itself should be judged independently from both the source material and extra YouTube content. Otherwise, we’d be looking at a 10/10 rating for the anime adaptation of The Beginning After the End.


@Ki11grave
"Someone is going to not get Klein and Vincent's conversation." What’s there not to understand? The guy is an obvious villain, handing out creepy items and predicting the MC’s "future" in two words, which he’s bound to interpret in the way the villain wants and no other way. And this friend of his sister only showed up now? It’s just that the MC clearly didn’t recognize her at the club. How often do people invite an entire family to a friend’s birthday party? To me, that’s not an obvious choice at all.

"And a simple divination could’ve predicted that he would visit the club." Half the episode is already built on divination, so that’s obvious enough. The MC probably divined for himself that he absolutely had to find this club and join it.

"Which pushed Klein to visit the birthday party." Did the MC even have the option to skip that party? It feels like he would’ve gone there anyway, even without the divination.

"The fight in the end was more about Evernight Goddess vs True Creator than Klein vs Vincent." Okay, and am I supposed to come to that conclusion from what’s shown in the anime? Like, they literally show a guy on the other side of the mirror controlling the girl while sacrificing something to power up the spell. And at the start of the episode, was there a fight between the goddess and the god of the alchemist grandpa’s debt or something?

"How the girl calling Klein 'outstanding' is a problem?" It’s just a standard isekai trope where the MC gets praised left and right for no reason. In the previous episode, they managed to praise him a couple of times too. Despite the rushed adaptation, they had to cram this into the plot, so now you’re left wondering if it’s even a necessary story element. My pointing it out was more of an observation—I didn’t even give it a moral judgment.

"There’s nothing for you to catch here." Yeah, yeah, another wave of ragebait detectors enters the chat. "How dare you have questions about the anime adaptation? What, you didn’t read the book beforehand to understand everything, you baka!?"

@M_Yue "Most people who aren’t Beyonders might never encounter one in their entire lives or even consciously witness a supernatural event." - Yet the MC conveniently finds a divine ritual kit literally in the house of some rich dude at just the right moment.

"The girl at the reception calls the MC outstanding because he actually noticed that one of their best and most experienced diviners is seriously ill." From that scene, it was clear she was relaying the words of another guy—a villain—who was divining something in the crowd. That scene with the guy’s lungs happened right before the reception conversation, so it would look weird if the MC got up from the table with the sick guy, went to the girl, and she’s already passing on the sick guy’s words. It’s obvious they skipped 2-45 chapters of the plot, where the MC was showing off some gypsy tricks, but that doesn’t justify the adaptation.

"He wants to check if it’ll help him digest the potion faster." And what does digesting the potion faster even do for him? Because in both the second and third episodes, he’s already using his abilities to the fullest, and no one has ever doubted his powers even once.

"He visited the divination club on purpose." Again, they completely skipped how he found it. There are scenes with the wallet and the ritual—bam, suddenly they show the sign of the divination club that the MC has already arrived at.

"But now, when he directly tells them how to properly pronounce his 'honorary name'." In my translation, he literally told them to "conduct an experiment" with the spell and didn’t call it his honorary name at all. It better not turn out that anyone can just come up with a three-line poem and then be called a god.

"No, she appealed to one of the most mysterious entities—the 'True Creator'." Well, if what’s happening is so mundane that an ordinary muggle girl can do it, why are other people so surprised by it?

"Hey, his brother Benson already appeared in the post-credits of the second episode." Which is exactly what I wrote in my message you’re responding to. Here, he feels like a completely side element, whose existence I’m supposed to know about in advance. In the anime industry, it’s standard to make additional chibi episodes separate from the main anime—that’s how it works everywhere if they’re longer than 2 minutes.

"The Fog is indeed useful, but it’s by no means overpowered. The balance of power (for everything Klein faces) is quite adequate." Well, so far it just creates a pocket dimension where he can pull people from anywhere in the world and create things with his mind, and it saves the main character’s life from certain death time and time again.

"The Seer potion (like any other potion of psyche/mind/spirituality) improves memory and makes the mind more sensitive. This indirectly helps master skills like shooting faster." I guess the anime skipped all of this too, because it looks like, “I don’t know how to shoot, so I hit the clown purely by luck,” only to then instantly shoot a handheld mirror off a girl-monster.

"If you have any doubts about this story, try reading the web novel." With an adaptation like this, it actually discourages me from wanting to read it, just like watching some separate chibi stories for 10-15 minutes or random YouTube videos.

"Calling it a typical isekai anime is a huge misconception." Well, again, so far the anime only stands out from standard isekai with its Victorian England setting and the money splashed across the screen. Many of the genre’s plot tropes don’t stand out at all.

I apologize for the crooked quotation, these are the troubles of the neural network through which I translate the answers.
Thanks for the response anyway.


@Mathi786
Thank you, I completely agree. The show itself should be judged independently from both the source material and extra YouTube content. Otherwise, we’d be looking at a 10/10 rating for the anime adaptation of The Beginning After the End.


@Ki11grave
"Someone is going to not get Klein and Vincent's conversation." What’s there not to understand? The guy is an obvious villain, handing out creepy items and predicting the MC’s "future" in two words, which he’s bound to interpret in the way the villain wants and no other way. And this friend of his sister only showed up now? It’s just that the MC clearly didn’t recognize her at the club. How often do people invite an entire family to a friend’s birthday party? To me, that’s not an obvious choice at all.

"And a simple divination could’ve predicted that he would visit the club." Half the episode is already built on divination, so that’s obvious enough. The MC probably divined for himself that he absolutely had to find this club and join it.

"Which pushed Klein to visit the birthday party." Did the MC even have the option to skip that party? It feels like he would’ve gone there anyway, even without the divination.

"The fight in the end was more about Evernight Goddess vs True Creator than Klein vs Vincent." Okay, and am I supposed to come to that conclusion from what’s shown in the anime? Like, they literally show a guy on the other side of the mirror controlling the girl while sacrificing something to power up the spell. And at the start of the episode, was there a fight between the goddess and the god of the alchemist grandpa’s debt or something?

"How the girl calling Klein 'outstanding' is a problem?" It’s just a standard isekai trope where the MC gets praised left and right for no reason. In the previous episode, they managed to praise him a couple of times too. Despite the rushed adaptation, they had to cram this into the plot, so now you’re left wondering if it’s even a necessary story element. My pointing it out was more of an observation—I didn’t even give it a moral judgment.

"There’s nothing for you to catch here." Yeah, yeah, another wave of ragebait detectors enters the chat. "How dare you have questions about the anime adaptation? What, you didn’t read the book beforehand to understand everything, you baka!?"

@M_Yue "Most people who aren’t Beyonders might never encounter one in their entire lives or even consciously witness a supernatural event." - Yet the MC conveniently finds a divine ritual kit literally in the house of some rich dude at just the right moment.

"The girl at the reception calls the MC outstanding because he actually noticed that one of their best and most experienced diviners is seriously ill." From that scene, it was clear she was relaying the words of another guy—a villain—who was divining something in the crowd. That scene with the guy’s lungs happened right before the reception conversation, so it would look weird if the MC got up from the table with the sick guy, went to the girl, and she’s already passing on the sick guy’s words. It’s obvious they skipped 2-45 chapters of the plot, where the MC was showing off some gypsy tricks, but that doesn’t justify the adaptation.

"He wants to check if it’ll help him digest the potion faster." And what does digesting the potion faster even do for him? Because in both the second and third episodes, he’s already using his abilities to the fullest, and no one has ever doubted his powers even once.

"He visited the divination club on purpose." Again, they completely skipped how he found it. There are scenes with the wallet and the ritual—bam, suddenly they show the sign of the divination club that the MC has already arrived at.

"But now, when he directly tells them how to properly pronounce his 'honorary name'." In my translation, he literally told them to "conduct an experiment" with the spell and didn’t call it his honorary name at all. It better not turn out that anyone can just come up with a three-line poem and then be called a god.

"No, she appealed to one of the most mysterious entities—the 'True Creator'." Well, if what’s happening is so mundane that an ordinary muggle girl can do it, why are other people so surprised by it?

"Hey, his brother Benson already appeared in the post-credits of the second episode." Which is exactly what I wrote in my message you’re responding to. Here, he feels like a completely side element, whose existence I’m supposed to know about in advance. In the anime industry, it’s standard to make additional chibi episodes separate from the main anime—that’s how it works everywhere if they’re longer than 2 minutes.

"The Fog is indeed useful, but it’s by no means overpowered. The balance of power (for everything Klein faces) is quite adequate." Well, so far it just creates a pocket dimension where he can pull people from anywhere in the world and create things with his mind, and it saves the main character’s life from certain death time and time again.

"The Seer potion (like any other potion of psyche/mind/spirituality) improves memory and makes the mind more sensitive. This indirectly helps master skills like shooting faster." I guess the anime skipped all of this too, because it looks like, “I don’t know how to shoot, so I hit the clown purely by luck,” only to then instantly shoot a handheld mirror off a girl-monster.

"If you have any doubts about this story, try reading the web novel." With an adaptation like this, it actually discourages me from wanting to read it, just like watching some separate chibi stories for 10-15 minutes or random YouTube videos.

"Calling it a typical isekai anime is a huge misconception." Well, again, so far the anime only stands out from standard isekai with its Victorian England setting and the money splashed across the screen. Many of the genre’s plot tropes don’t stand out at all.

I apologize for the crooked quotation, these are the troubles of the neural network through which I translate the answers.
Thanks for the response anyway.


@Mathi786
Thank you, I completely agree. The show itself should be judged independently from both the source material and extra YouTube content. Otherwise, we’d be looking at a 10/10 rating for the anime adaptation of The Beginning After the End.


@Ki11grave
"Someone is going to not get Klein and Vincent's conversation." What’s there not to understand? The guy is an obvious villain, handing out creepy items and predicting the MC’s "future" in two words, which he’s bound to interpret in the way the villain wants and no other way. And this friend of his sister only showed up now? It’s just that the MC clearly didn’t recognize her at the club. How often do people invite an entire family to a friend’s birthday party? To me, that’s not an obvious choice at all.

"And a simple divination could’ve predicted that he would visit the club." Half the episode is already built on divination, so that’s obvious enough. The MC probably divined for himself that he absolutely had to find this club and join it.

"Which pushed Klein to visit the birthday party." Did the MC even have the option to skip that party? It feels like he would’ve gone there anyway, even without the divination.

"The fight in the end was more about Evernight Goddess vs True Creator than Klein vs Vincent." Okay, and am I supposed to come to that conclusion from what’s shown in the anime? Like, they literally show a guy on the other side of the mirror controlling the girl while sacrificing something to power up the spell. And at the start of the episode, was there a fight between the goddess and the god of the alchemist grandpa’s debt or something?

"How the girl calling Klein 'outstanding' is a problem?" It’s just a standard isekai trope where the MC gets praised left and right for no reason. In the previous episode, they managed to praise him a couple of times too. Despite the rushed adaptation, they had to cram this into the plot, so now you’re left wondering if it’s even a necessary story element. My pointing it out was more of an observation—I didn’t even give it a moral judgment.

"There’s nothing for you to catch here." Yeah, yeah, another wave of ragebait detectors enters the chat. "How dare you have questions about the anime adaptation? What, you didn’t read the book beforehand to understand everything, you baka!?"

@EmilioRecore

"having the ingredients for a ritual" What I liked most about this question is that each responder has their own distinct explanation for why it happened.

"Your second point is just nitpicking." My whole nitpick is that you have to figure out why things happen in the anime on your own. To me, if they’re already cutting tons of content from the original novel, why not just cut that whole scene with the sick guy to get to the point without this directorial crutch of "I was here this morning" when in the anime, the two scenes happen back-to-back.

@Ki11grave

"not to introduce a villain of the episode?" Well, they already introduced him at the start of the episode, he was even munching on a finger.

"What if she was a new friend?" Then your argument that the villains just logically figured out the MC’s sister’s habits doesn’t hold up. If the friend is a new element, there’s just too little room for planning. Unless the friend herself is a spy. Otherwise, it’s just another prediction that solves everything.

"That receptionist was listening to the sick guy's conversation in the background." Ugh, if we’re going into "how it was in the novel" territory, you don’t need to make up excuses to defend that scene. As I understand it, the MC spent half a day doing all sorts of divinations, which just didn’t make it into the episode. She started praising him with words from the "villain of the day." I was talking about the directing here and how the scenes are clumsily stitched together, not a question of "if you thought about it, you’d get it." It’s a question of "why couldn’t they make a proper transition between scenes or just do them differently?"

"You can't go to the next seq without digesting the current one." Does he have anywhere to rush to? He literally only knows the name of the second potion and that’s it.

"What I talk about can be understood from watching the show alone." Where did I say I didn’t understand the scene or something like that?

"you, yourself, don't even bother to remember characters' faces." I especially loved the moment where they introduced the brother without any introduction, as if I was supposed to already know who he is and cheer for him.


@M_Yue

"he is 'sniping' the MC knowing his schedule by spying on him in the shadows." If he’s directly spying on him, why not just break into his house at night and attack him while he’s sleeping? They could ambush him after work and put a sack over his head if they didn’t need him alive. Why bother with this overly complicated three-step plan when he’s always in their sights anyway?

"Chibi animations (all 4 of them, 1 for each episode's post-credits) are not even 2min long!" Hmm, I remember someone shared one of those animations a couple of weeks ago, and it was like 13 minutes long. Maybe that was my mistake then, I’ll admit. Still, that’s extra side material, and the viewer shouldn’t be obligated to watch it. If it contains something so important, why didn’t they just put it in the episode itself, especially since it’s only 2 minutes?

"no it is not the villain guy." In my translation, it literally says, "you must be that outstanding seer Vincent was talking about." So I have no idea what your friend could’ve figured out or why he had to discuss the directorial choice of scene transitions. Just to be sure, I checked four other translations, and they all mention Vincent. The MC even asks, "VINCENT?" and you can hear it even through the Chinese dialogue. Honestly, it feels like you’re trying to gaslight me and just making up these all-knowing friends.

"Digesting the potion is the way to fully realize its principles." Then the scene from the last episode where they didn’t even try to find another seer for the spell doesn’t make sense. If, as you say, he’s not that great at his job until he fully digests it.

"one has simply has to pay sufficient attention, it's all in-there." Did I ever say I don’t understand the local RPG system? I literally asked why he needs to digest potions.

"Blud, he literally had a Tarot reading by a random beast tamer in carnival tent back in Episode 1." Were those Tarot readers from the same club the MC went to in Episode 4? It was literally a market, and markets always have that kind of stuff. The question is, how can you tell from the anime that these fortune-telling clubs are so widespread when we’ve only seen one in the first episode and one club in the fourth? The answer, again, is "figure it out for the author."

"he is literally part of the Nighthawks, freaking secret police, why would he not get to know about some club." Show me a quote where the anime says this or where they gave him a task to investigate a suspicious club. The transition from "they tell the MC about the ritual" to "oh, I’m at the club" literally had no information other than a sign on the wall.

"needless to mention he is a seer, can't you remember how he figured out the location of that criminal back in EP2?" So now he’s always going to be divining off-screen, and the viewer is just supposed to accept it as fact? Will every future fight and scene look like someone already divined it on coffee grounds and knew exactly where to go? Next time the MC struggles with eating a steak, I’ll just assume he divined off-screen that this is exactly how it’s supposed to be eaten.

"he stated it is a ritualistic magic, ritualistic magic as Old Neil had already said always requires addressing a target for prayer." So the MC knew they’d misunderstand him and think he’s literally a god, but still chose to present the information in exactly that way?

"the girl is but a vessel for the true creator's 'corruption' and Vincent's cursed mirror forwarding that connection with actual ritualistic magic." That’s obvious, and it was clear that the villain of the day wasn’t personally possessing her, and anyone could see she wasn’t herself.

"by he appeared in Episode 2's post credits." Yeah, like I already wrote in my last reply, I mentioned that in my first message. Do you even read what I write carefully?

"they are literally superhuman with improved dexterity, memory capacity, and more flexible senses." Where does the anime say that?

"this is kind of similar to Steins;Gate." Honestly, I can’t stand Steins;Gate, so that’s not a great pitch.

"MC figured out that the Clown is literally using his intuition to counter any shots 'intentionally' shot his way, you are literally more likely to be able to shoot him if you just shoot randomly instead of trying to target him 'actively.'" So basically, he intentionally shot in the Clown’s direction without intending to harm him. I could accept that scene if the guy wasn’t making just one single shot but was blasting away with a Maxim machine gun or something. As it is, it feels like an exercise in mental gymnastics.

"It almost feels like you are not interested in the story at all." Well, so far, nothing interesting has been shown, and I’m not the type to get impressed by a fancy, expensive picture just for the sake of it.

"again, if we as WN readers have been praising it text-only for years." I recently checked out the manhwa *The Beginning After the End*, which everyone was hyping up from all sides. What I got was another *Solo Leveling* in different scenery with endless grinding for the next weekly boss fight. And don’t get me started on how the entire internet was raving about the *Solo Leveling* manhwa back in the day. I even remember a WoW guildmate showing up to a meetup in a *Solo Leveling* hoodie, shamelessly promoting it to everyone, lol. What’s my point? It’s up to me to decide what I end up liking, and I don’t see any problem with sharing my thoughts about what’s happening online.

@1kirua_aim

So you’re telling me a literal deity possessed the girl, and the MC just waved it off with a puff of fog? And they say the fog isn’t OP, lol. Next thing, you’ll want a cold beer on a Friday night, and it’ll show up with a bottle opener.

Yeah, yeah, it’s real fun watching you argue with some random take about deity battles or whatever. I can just picture your friend sitting there, arm around you, saying, “Oh, that was the gods fighting, I totally understood it perfectly.”

@EmilioRecore

"having the ingredients for a ritual" What I liked most about this question is that each responder has their own distinct explanation for why it happened.

"Your second point is just nitpicking." My whole nitpick is that you have to figure out why things happen in the anime on your own. To me, if they’re already cutting tons of content from the original novel, why not just cut that whole scene with the sick guy to get to the point without this directorial crutch of "I was here this morning" when in the anime, the two scenes happen back-to-back.

@Ki11grave

"not to introduce a villain of the episode?" Well, they already introduced him at the start of the episode, he was even munching on a finger.

"What if she was a new friend?" Then your argument that the villains just logically figured out the MC’s sister’s habits doesn’t hold up. If the friend is a new element, there’s just too little room for planning. Unless the friend herself is a spy. Otherwise, it’s just another prediction that solves everything.

"That receptionist was listening to the sick guy's conversation in the background." Ugh, if we’re going into "how it was in the novel" territory, you don’t need to make up excuses to defend that scene. As I understand it, the MC spent half a day doing all sorts of divinations, which just didn’t make it into the episode. She started praising him with words from the "villain of the day." I was talking about the directing here and how the scenes are clumsily stitched together, not a question of "if you thought about it, you’d get it." It’s a question of "why couldn’t they make a proper transition between scenes or just do them differently?"

"You can't go to the next seq without digesting the current one." Does he have anywhere to rush to? He literally only knows the name of the second potion and that’s it.

"What I talk about can be understood from watching the show alone." Where did I say I didn’t understand the scene or something like that?

"you, yourself, don't even bother to remember characters' faces." I especially loved the moment where they introduced the brother without any introduction, as if I was supposed to already know who he is and cheer for him.


@M_Yue

"he is 'sniping' the MC knowing his schedule by spying on him in the shadows." If he’s directly spying on him, why not just break into his house at night and attack him while he’s sleeping? They could ambush him after work and put a sack over his head if they didn’t need him alive. Why bother with this overly complicated three-step plan when he’s always in their sights anyway?

"Chibi animations (all 4 of them, 1 for each episode's post-credits) are not even 2min long!" Hmm, I remember someone shared one of those animations a couple of weeks ago, and it was like 13 minutes long. Maybe that was my mistake then, I’ll admit. Still, that’s extra side material, and the viewer shouldn’t be obligated to watch it. If it contains something so important, why didn’t they just put it in the episode itself, especially since it’s only 2 minutes?

"no it is not the villain guy." In my translation, it literally says, "you must be that outstanding seer Vincent was talking about." So I have no idea what your friend could’ve figured out or why he had to discuss the directorial choice of scene transitions. Just to be sure, I checked four other translations, and they all mention Vincent. The MC even asks, "VINCENT?" and you can hear it even through the Chinese dialogue. Honestly, it feels like you’re trying to gaslight me and just making up these all-knowing friends.

"Digesting the potion is the way to fully realize its principles." Then the scene from the last episode where they didn’t even try to find another seer for the spell doesn’t make sense. If, as you say, he’s not that great at his job until he fully digests it.

"one has simply has to pay sufficient attention, it's all in-there." Did I ever say I don’t understand the local RPG system? I literally asked why he needs to digest potions.

"Blud, he literally had a Tarot reading by a random beast tamer in carnival tent back in Episode 1." Were those Tarot readers from the same club the MC went to in Episode 4? It was literally a market, and markets always have that kind of stuff. The question is, how can you tell from the anime that these fortune-telling clubs are so widespread when we’ve only seen one in the first episode and one club in the fourth? The answer, again, is "figure it out for the author."

"he is literally part of the Nighthawks, freaking secret police, why would he not get to know about some club." Show me a quote where the anime says this or where they gave him a task to investigate a suspicious club. The transition from "they tell the MC about the ritual" to "oh, I’m at the club" literally had no information other than a sign on the wall.

"needless to mention he is a seer, can't you remember how he figured out the location of that criminal back in EP2?" So now he’s always going to be divining off-screen, and the viewer is just supposed to accept it as fact? Will every future fight and scene look like someone already divined it on coffee grounds and knew exactly where to go? Next time the MC struggles with eating a steak, I’ll just assume he divined off-screen that this is exactly how it’s supposed to be eaten.

"he stated it is a ritualistic magic, ritualistic magic as Old Neil had already said always requires addressing a target for prayer." So the MC knew they’d misunderstand him and think he’s literally a god, but still chose to present the information in exactly that way?

"the girl is but a vessel for the true creator's 'corruption' and Vincent's cursed mirror forwarding that connection with actual ritualistic magic." That’s obvious, and it was clear that the villain of the day wasn’t personally possessing her, and anyone could see she wasn’t herself.

"by he appeared in Episode 2's post credits." Yeah, like I already wrote in my last reply, I mentioned that in my first message. Do you even read what I write carefully?

"they are literally superhuman with improved dexterity, memory capacity, and more flexible senses." Where does the anime say that?

"this is kind of similar to Steins;Gate." Honestly, I can’t stand Steins;Gate, so that’s not a great pitch.

"MC figured out that the Clown is literally using his intuition to counter any shots 'intentionally' shot his way, you are literally more likely to be able to shoot him if you just shoot randomly instead of trying to target him 'actively.'" So basically, he intentionally shot in the Clown’s direction without intending to harm him. I could accept that scene if the guy wasn’t making just one single shot but was blasting away with a Maxim machine gun or something. As it is, it feels like an exercise in mental gymnastics.

"It almost feels like you are not interested in the story at all." Well, so far, nothing interesting has been shown, and I’m not the type to get impressed by a fancy, expensive picture just for the sake of it.

"again, if we as WN readers have been praising it text-only for years." I recently checked out the manhwa *The Beginning After the End*, which everyone was hyping up from all sides. What I got was another *Solo Leveling* in different scenery with endless grinding for the next weekly boss fight. And don’t get me started on how the entire internet was raving about the *Solo Leveling* manhwa back in the day. I even remember a WoW guildmate showing up to a meetup in a *Solo Leveling* hoodie, shamelessly promoting it to everyone, lol. What’s my point? It’s up to me to decide what I end up liking, and I don’t see any problem with sharing my thoughts about what’s happening online.

@1kirua_aim

So you’re telling me a literal deity possessed the girl, and the MC just waved it off with a puff of fog? And they say the fog isn’t OP, lol. Next thing, you’ll want a cold beer on a Friday night, and it’ll show up with a bottle opener.

Yeah, yeah, it’s real fun watching you argue with some random take about deity battles or whatever. I can just picture your friend sitting there, arm around you, saying, “Oh, that was the gods fighting, I totally understood it perfectly.”

@OrigamistToo It's OK, if Lord of Mysteries is getting you so worked up, maybe it's just not for you 👍. There's nothing wrong with that, you don't have to force yourself to keep watching.

@EmilioRecore

"having the ingredients for a ritual" What I liked most about this question is that each responder has their own distinct explanation for why it happened.

"Your second point is just nitpicking." My whole nitpick is that you have to figure out why things happen in the anime on your own. To me, if they’re already cutting tons of content from the original novel, why not just cut that whole scene with the sick guy to get to the point without this directorial crutch of "I was here this morning" when in the anime, the two scenes happen back-to-back.

@Ki11grave

"not to introduce a villain of the episode?" Well, they already introduced him at the start of the episode, he was even munching on a finger.

"What if she was a new friend?" Then your argument that the villains just logically figured out the MC’s sister’s habits doesn’t hold up. If the friend is a new element, there’s just too little room for planning. Unless the friend herself is a spy. Otherwise, it’s just another prediction that solves everything.

"That receptionist was listening to the sick guy's conversation in the background." Ugh, if we’re going into "how it was in the novel" territory, you don’t need to make up excuses to defend that scene. As I understand it, the MC spent half a day doing all sorts of divinations, which just didn’t make it into the episode. She started praising him with words from the "villain of the day." I was talking about the directing here and how the scenes are clumsily stitched together, not a question of "if you thought about it, you’d get it." It’s a question of "why couldn’t they make a proper transition between scenes or just do them differently?"

"You can't go to the next seq without digesting the current one." Does he have anywhere to rush to? He literally only knows the name of the second potion and that’s it.

"What I talk about can be understood from watching the show alone." Where did I say I didn’t understand the scene or something like that?

"you, yourself, don't even bother to remember characters' faces." I especially loved the moment where they introduced the brother without any introduction, as if I was supposed to already know who he is and cheer for him.


@M_Yue

"he is 'sniping' the MC knowing his schedule by spying on him in the shadows." If he’s directly spying on him, why not just break into his house at night and attack him while he’s sleeping? They could ambush him after work and put a sack over his head if they didn’t need him alive. Why bother with this overly complicated three-step plan when he’s always in their sights anyway?

"Chibi animations (all 4 of them, 1 for each episode's post-credits) are not even 2min long!" Hmm, I remember someone shared one of those animations a couple of weeks ago, and it was like 13 minutes long. Maybe that was my mistake then, I’ll admit. Still, that’s extra side material, and the viewer shouldn’t be obligated to watch it. If it contains something so important, why didn’t they just put it in the episode itself, especially since it’s only 2 minutes?

"no it is not the villain guy." In my translation, it literally says, "you must be that outstanding seer Vincent was talking about." So I have no idea what your friend could’ve figured out or why he had to discuss the directorial choice of scene transitions. Just to be sure, I checked four other translations, and they all mention Vincent. The MC even asks, "VINCENT?" and you can hear it even through the Chinese dialogue. Honestly, it feels like you’re trying to gaslight me and just making up these all-knowing friends.

"Digesting the potion is the way to fully realize its principles." Then the scene from the last episode where they didn’t even try to find another seer for the spell doesn’t make sense. If, as you say, he’s not that great at his job until he fully digests it.

"one has simply has to pay sufficient attention, it's all in-there." Did I ever say I don’t understand the local RPG system? I literally asked why he needs to digest potions.

"Blud, he literally had a Tarot reading by a random beast tamer in carnival tent back in Episode 1." Were those Tarot readers from the same club the MC went to in Episode 4? It was literally a market, and markets always have that kind of stuff. The question is, how can you tell from the anime that these fortune-telling clubs are so widespread when we’ve only seen one in the first episode and one club in the fourth? The answer, again, is "figure it out for the author."

"he is literally part of the Nighthawks, freaking secret police, why would he not get to know about some club." Show me a quote where the anime says this or where they gave him a task to investigate a suspicious club. The transition from "they tell the MC about the ritual" to "oh, I’m at the club" literally had no information other than a sign on the wall.

"needless to mention he is a seer, can't you remember how he figured out the location of that criminal back in EP2?" So now he’s always going to be divining off-screen, and the viewer is just supposed to accept it as fact? Will every future fight and scene look like someone already divined it on coffee grounds and knew exactly where to go? Next time the MC struggles with eating a steak, I’ll just assume he divined off-screen that this is exactly how it’s supposed to be eaten.

"he stated it is a ritualistic magic, ritualistic magic as Old Neil had already said always requires addressing a target for prayer." So the MC knew they’d misunderstand him and think he’s literally a god, but still chose to present the information in exactly that way?

"the girl is but a vessel for the true creator's 'corruption' and Vincent's cursed mirror forwarding that connection with actual ritualistic magic." That’s obvious, and it was clear that the villain of the day wasn’t personally possessing her, and anyone could see she wasn’t herself.

"by he appeared in Episode 2's post credits." Yeah, like I already wrote in my last reply, I mentioned that in my first message. Do you even read what I write carefully?

"they are literally superhuman with improved dexterity, memory capacity, and more flexible senses." Where does the anime say that?

"this is kind of similar to Steins;Gate." Honestly, I can’t stand Steins;Gate, so that’s not a great pitch.

"MC figured out that the Clown is literally using his intuition to counter any shots 'intentionally' shot his way, you are literally more likely to be able to shoot him if you just shoot randomly instead of trying to target him 'actively.'" So basically, he intentionally shot in the Clown’s direction without intending to harm him. I could accept that scene if the guy wasn’t making just one single shot but was blasting away with a Maxim machine gun or something. As it is, it feels like an exercise in mental gymnastics.

"It almost feels like you are not interested in the story at all." Well, so far, nothing interesting has been shown, and I’m not the type to get impressed by a fancy, expensive picture just for the sake of it.

"again, if we as WN readers have been praising it text-only for years." I recently checked out the manhwa *The Beginning After the End*, which everyone was hyping up from all sides. What I got was another *Solo Leveling* in different scenery with endless grinding for the next weekly boss fight. And don’t get me started on how the entire internet was raving about the *Solo Leveling* manhwa back in the day. I even remember a WoW guildmate showing up to a meetup in a *Solo Leveling* hoodie, shamelessly promoting it to everyone, lol. What’s my point? It’s up to me to decide what I end up liking, and I don’t see any problem with sharing my thoughts about what’s happening online.

@1kirua_aim

So you’re telling me a literal deity possessed the girl, and the MC just waved it off with a puff of fog? And they say the fog isn’t OP, lol. Next thing, you’ll want a cold beer on a Friday night, and it’ll show up with a bottle opener.

Yeah, yeah, it’s real fun watching you argue with some random take about deity battles or whatever. I can just picture your friend sitting there, arm around you, saying, “Oh, that was the gods fighting, I totally understood it perfectly.”

@EmilioRecore Yeah, like I have nothing better to do than read comments from a freshly baked account that only posts in threads about this title. Go get a life.

@OrigamistToo

again, the fog only brought about minor benefits of being able to jolt klein back to his senses, something he explains shortly after

and if you pay a slight bit of attention, you'll realise that klein invokes the honorific of the evernight goddess, who actually cleansed selena,

it was evernight who defeated the true creator, not klein,

it was a proxy tool

please just use your head, you dont need to use alot of it

@1kirua_aim "again, the fog only brought about minor benefits of being able to jolt Klein back to his senses, something he explains shortly after"

These "minor benefits" in the anime literally save his life every time. Totally trivial, obviously.

"and if you pay a slight bit of attention, you'll realise that Klein invokes the honorific of the Evernight Goddess, who actually cleansed Selena."

Can you remind me where I said the MC personally absorbed the evil god from the girl? You’re arguing with some take you just made up.


@Skullwild
"buddy has too much free time"

Says the guy who tracks me down in every thread to write about his favorite ragebait.

@Afriyieau1 you see these things that you're telling me now, I shouldn't need to ask these things from stranger on the internet, the show itself should explain these things properly to me, plus there are so many small things that were left unanswered, I'm really hyped for this show but I think it's loosing me right now, maybe I should bing watch it altogether

@EmilioRecore

"having the ingredients for a ritual" What I liked most about this question is that each responder has their own distinct explanation for why it happened.

"Your second point is just nitpicking." My whole nitpick is that you have to figure out why things happen in the anime on your own. To me, if they’re already cutting tons of content from the original novel, why not just cut that whole scene with the sick guy to get to the point without this directorial crutch of "I was here this morning" when in the anime, the two scenes happen back-to-back.

@Ki11grave

"not to introduce a villain of the episode?" Well, they already introduced him at the start of the episode, he was even munching on a finger.

"What if she was a new friend?" Then your argument that the villains just logically figured out the MC’s sister’s habits doesn’t hold up. If the friend is a new element, there’s just too little room for planning. Unless the friend herself is a spy. Otherwise, it’s just another prediction that solves everything.

"That receptionist was listening to the sick guy's conversation in the background." Ugh, if we’re going into "how it was in the novel" territory, you don’t need to make up excuses to defend that scene. As I understand it, the MC spent half a day doing all sorts of divinations, which just didn’t make it into the episode. She started praising him with words from the "villain of the day." I was talking about the directing here and how the scenes are clumsily stitched together, not a question of "if you thought about it, you’d get it." It’s a question of "why couldn’t they make a proper transition between scenes or just do them differently?"

"You can't go to the next seq without digesting the current one." Does he have anywhere to rush to? He literally only knows the name of the second potion and that’s it.

"What I talk about can be understood from watching the show alone." Where did I say I didn’t understand the scene or something like that?

"you, yourself, don't even bother to remember characters' faces." I especially loved the moment where they introduced the brother without any introduction, as if I was supposed to already know who he is and cheer for him.


@M_Yue

"he is 'sniping' the MC knowing his schedule by spying on him in the shadows." If he’s directly spying on him, why not just break into his house at night and attack him while he’s sleeping? They could ambush him after work and put a sack over his head if they didn’t need him alive. Why bother with this overly complicated three-step plan when he’s always in their sights anyway?

"Chibi animations (all 4 of them, 1 for each episode's post-credits) are not even 2min long!" Hmm, I remember someone shared one of those animations a couple of weeks ago, and it was like 13 minutes long. Maybe that was my mistake then, I’ll admit. Still, that’s extra side material, and the viewer shouldn’t be obligated to watch it. If it contains something so important, why didn’t they just put it in the episode itself, especially since it’s only 2 minutes?

"no it is not the villain guy." In my translation, it literally says, "you must be that outstanding seer Vincent was talking about." So I have no idea what your friend could’ve figured out or why he had to discuss the directorial choice of scene transitions. Just to be sure, I checked four other translations, and they all mention Vincent. The MC even asks, "VINCENT?" and you can hear it even through the Chinese dialogue. Honestly, it feels like you’re trying to gaslight me and just making up these all-knowing friends.

"Digesting the potion is the way to fully realize its principles." Then the scene from the last episode where they didn’t even try to find another seer for the spell doesn’t make sense. If, as you say, he’s not that great at his job until he fully digests it.

"one has simply has to pay sufficient attention, it's all in-there." Did I ever say I don’t understand the local RPG system? I literally asked why he needs to digest potions.

"Blud, he literally had a Tarot reading by a random beast tamer in carnival tent back in Episode 1." Were those Tarot readers from the same club the MC went to in Episode 4? It was literally a market, and markets always have that kind of stuff. The question is, how can you tell from the anime that these fortune-telling clubs are so widespread when we’ve only seen one in the first episode and one club in the fourth? The answer, again, is "figure it out for the author."

"he is literally part of the Nighthawks, freaking secret police, why would he not get to know about some club." Show me a quote where the anime says this or where they gave him a task to investigate a suspicious club. The transition from "they tell the MC about the ritual" to "oh, I’m at the club" literally had no information other than a sign on the wall.

"needless to mention he is a seer, can't you remember how he figured out the location of that criminal back in EP2?" So now he’s always going to be divining off-screen, and the viewer is just supposed to accept it as fact? Will every future fight and scene look like someone already divined it on coffee grounds and knew exactly where to go? Next time the MC struggles with eating a steak, I’ll just assume he divined off-screen that this is exactly how it’s supposed to be eaten.

"he stated it is a ritualistic magic, ritualistic magic as Old Neil had already said always requires addressing a target for prayer." So the MC knew they’d misunderstand him and think he’s literally a god, but still chose to present the information in exactly that way?

"the girl is but a vessel for the true creator's 'corruption' and Vincent's cursed mirror forwarding that connection with actual ritualistic magic." That’s obvious, and it was clear that the villain of the day wasn’t personally possessing her, and anyone could see she wasn’t herself.

"by he appeared in Episode 2's post credits." Yeah, like I already wrote in my last reply, I mentioned that in my first message. Do you even read what I write carefully?

"they are literally superhuman with improved dexterity, memory capacity, and more flexible senses." Where does the anime say that?

"this is kind of similar to Steins;Gate." Honestly, I can’t stand Steins;Gate, so that’s not a great pitch.

"MC figured out that the Clown is literally using his intuition to counter any shots 'intentionally' shot his way, you are literally more likely to be able to shoot him if you just shoot randomly instead of trying to target him 'actively.'" So basically, he intentionally shot in the Clown’s direction without intending to harm him. I could accept that scene if the guy wasn’t making just one single shot but was blasting away with a Maxim machine gun or something. As it is, it feels like an exercise in mental gymnastics.

"It almost feels like you are not interested in the story at all." Well, so far, nothing interesting has been shown, and I’m not the type to get impressed by a fancy, expensive picture just for the sake of it.

"again, if we as WN readers have been praising it text-only for years." I recently checked out the manhwa *The Beginning After the End*, which everyone was hyping up from all sides. What I got was another *Solo Leveling* in different scenery with endless grinding for the next weekly boss fight. And don’t get me started on how the entire internet was raving about the *Solo Leveling* manhwa back in the day. I even remember a WoW guildmate showing up to a meetup in a *Solo Leveling* hoodie, shamelessly promoting it to everyone, lol. What’s my point? It’s up to me to decide what I end up liking, and I don’t see any problem with sharing my thoughts about what’s happening online.

@1kirua_aim

So you’re telling me a literal deity possessed the girl, and the MC just waved it off with a puff of fog? And they say the fog isn’t OP, lol. Next thing, you’ll want a cold beer on a Friday night, and it’ll show up with a bottle opener.

Yeah, yeah, it’s real fun watching you argue with some random take about deity battles or whatever. I can just picture your friend sitting there, arm around you, saying, “Oh, that was the gods fighting, I totally understood it perfectly.”

I dunno about slowing down the pace, it’s still a ton of scenes with no proper transitions, and they still don’t explain anything properly. If the hero’s thoughts, shown a couple of times, are supposed to be an explanation of what’s going on, then I’m at a loss—his thoughts and how he arrived at them sometimes feel like they need their own explanation. The fact that the MC is isekai’d but not really isekai’d plays a cruel trick here, and in the end, you don’t know if he’s just doing random nonsense or if it’s all part of some mystical “plan.” There’s also the issue of how I’m supposed to remember these side characters when they all look practically identical.

Now, about the plot.

The whole deal with the wallet felt like the ritual literally forces you to act like an actor, play along with the situation, and then fate bends to your will, like with that absolute luck potion from Harry Potter. Speaking of Harry Potter, are mages and muggles separate here? Because this guy just joins a club, tells everyone about his class, as if they’re supposed to know what it is. Or is this, like, a strictly mage-only club where everyone’s a combat unit of the “Seer” class, level 9? And they just forgot to explain how the MC found them—guess fate brought them together again. The MC walks up for a card, says he’s been there since morning, even though he literally just walked in, talked to some dude, and now he’s here, and the girl at the reception already calls him “outstanding” based on some other guy’s words, who hasn’t even met him yet. And this is about a guy who’s at the minimum level after one case at work 👍. Seems like everything here is predetermined by fate, so nobody cares who you are now or what you did before—everyone’s only interested in who you’ll become in the future.

Epic music again, yeehaw. At the meeting, the MC’s voice gets all cringey again, totally not matching his appearance. The “Sailor” class and the “Spectator” class—now I’m curious: if they invent something like an iPhone in their world, will there be an “iPhone Assembler” class, level 9, or a “Python Programmer”, level 8 class? I mean, ships and sailing aren’t something humans have had since forever, so it’d be weird to have profession-based classes for things that don’t even exist yet. So, if a new human profession pops up, does that mean the local RPG class system gets an update? And if a dog drinks a Sailor potion, does it have a chance to become a ship captain? Or if it drinks a Seer potion, will it start digging up the whole yard looking for mysteries? The isekai’d guy’s wisdom in action—can’t wait for him to start inventing toilets and bicycles 😂 or spouting obvious stuff that makes everyone lose their minds. The epic music is blasting so loud I can’t even hear the MC anymore, let’s goooo.

Let’s mention again that our MC is special, and he’s not just doing random crap he doesn’t understand—let’s say he’s like a god because he managed to recite three lines. The guy randomly comes up with a spell, tells the meeting folks to read it, and the blue-haired dude decides because of this that the MC is literally a god. Reminds me of Demiurge from Overlord, who’d twist any of his master’s nonsense into pure genius.

Can someone remind me who that guy hanging out with his sister is? Have they shown him before? Oh, turns out the MC had a brother this whole time, but he didn’t live with them, and they only pointed him out once with a photo in this episode and in a post-credits scene in episode 2, where it just looked like some random dude invited to the new house. The blandness of the local characters strikes again, and honestly, I thought the MC just invited his captain-colleague over to housewarming.

They keep praising the MC, like, “Oh, how handsome he is.” They just said that three-line summonings are god-level stuff, and then they immediately show a schoolgirl doing the exact same thing in front of a mirror to summon some random hobo on the other side 👍. A Seer predicted in advance which random person to give a mirror to so it’d end up in the right place at the right time to mess with the MC, who just happened to show up at his sister’s friend’s birthday party. But somehow, he didn’t predict how it’d all turn out 👍. Once again, the totally-not-overpowered fog saves the MC 👍. I feel like I won’t survive another duel between two predictors. Honestly, all the plot nonsense is completely justified by “Well, the enemy was a predictor,” and no further explanation is needed. I predict that next, it’ll be like, “I tried to predict that guy, but he’s a level 8 rap-reader, and his defense is too strong.” By the way, if the enemy predictor was drawing his predictive power from his masters, does that mean his super-cool masters couldn’t predict how awesome the MC is, or did they deliberately send this extra to his death? They said in the last episode that the MC barely knows how to shoot, but now he’s blasting away like Vash the Stampede, alright. Totally not your average isekai where the MC is instantly buddies with a near-princess who’s woken up by six maids in the morning, because fate brought them together 👍. The magical talking dog mascot is also here, just like in every standard isekai from the last 10 years.

On the plus side, there’s less of the out-of-place flashy graphics now, and they shoved it all into the meeting scene. There are fewer effeminate, slicked-back guys on screen, and the static backgrounds here are actually pretty nice.

@Mathi786
Because the donghua narrative isn’t an exposition. It’s a show and tell. These minor lore details are relevant in a novel. But for an animated series or movie, it doesn’t take anything out of the general experience imo.

But if you’re the type to get obsessed over these nit-gritty stuff, then you’re better off picking up the novel. Or tuning in to Old Neil classes which are extra donghua contents

@Mathi786
Because the donghua narrative isn’t an exposition. It’s a show and tell. These minor lore details are relevant in a novel. But for an animated series or movie, it doesn’t take anything out of the general experience imo.

But if you’re the type to get obsessed over these nit-gritty stuff, then you’re better off picking up the novel. Or tuning in to Old Neil classes which are extra donghua contents

@Mathi786
Because the donghua narrative isn’t an exposition. It’s a show and tell. These minor lore details are relevant in a novel. But for an animated series or movie, it doesn’t take anything out of the general experience imo.

But if you’re the type to get obsessed over these nit-gritty stuff, then you’re better off picking up the novel. Or tuning in to Old Neil classes which are extra donghua contents

Am i supposed to know where he learned all these incantations and powers or am I just supposed to be shutting my brain off and drooling at the fun action. Also am I supposed to know why Klein seemingly has all this supernatural knowledge while he's in the gray fog?

what about Audrey how did she make that potion? how does she know the recipe

when justice did the ritual 4 dots appeared on his hand did he connected to gray fog because of that?