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Nikmomo93 said: I'm curious.... That guy with a girl clothing... He look like a normal straight guy.... not a feminine guy... But why is he wearing a short dress without being shy? -_- The funny thing, though, was that he was calling Gojo out for knowing how to do girls' makeup when he was wearing a dress himself. |
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...there's usually a checklist of things in any genre/theme/characters and such. Should we then hate on all anime and characters and be reviled by them for having those check lists?
Oh I totally agree! It's not like I'm hating on it, I actually like this anime a lot. I just felt like sharing my thoughts on the EP, I'm on myanimelist for exactly the type of exchange we're having right now which I think is super cool
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Look at Isekai as a GREAT example of this, its the kind of anime that Harem anime once was, over produced, to the point you have so many same things happening it gets old, fast and stale. And I love Isekai I should add but even I say it's time to move on from them. Harem, suffered the same, having it's own check list and same result, so many male leads who never settled on a single girl and usually bland, dull, boring, self insert character and then have 2-5, sometimes more girls fawning all over him, often for some of the most dumbest reasons imaginable.
Look at Isekai as a GREAT example of this, its the kind of anime that Harem anime once was, over produced, to the point you have so many same things happening it gets old, fast and stale. And I love Isekai I should add but even I say it's time to move on from them. Harem, suffered the same, having it's own check list and same result, so many male leads who never settled on a single girl and usually bland, dull, boring, self insert character and then have 2-5, sometimes more girls fawning all over him, often for some of the most dumbest reasons imaginable.
YES! 100%. Isekai genre has been suffering a lot since Sword Art Online made the genre popular and all the cheap studios/authors jumped on the popularity vagon. As for harem, I also totally agree: Not only does this ruin the MC, but to accomodate for the harem genre without all the girls hating on each-other, most times the female characters turn into these dumbed-down 2d versions of a real person, very shallow and kinda boring IMO.
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...most anime have that checklist for girls in them, in most shows, maybe not exactly like Marin, but it's still there to some extent.
...most anime have that checklist for girls in them, in most shows, maybe not exactly like Marin, but it's still there to some extent.
That is true. I think its more like... really hard to explain... I think when people are young, they often have this 'marketing version' of what an ideal person is like, and it is usually some version of what is currently popular in movies or music. Once people get older, they find out their own tastes and start hovering to what THEY actually like. I like anime that goes down a bit more of a niche, and less of a "default wishlist checklist of what is currently trending". I think that's what gave me a big of a platic-feel with the playboy think. Does that make sense?
_Kaorinite said:
...you have a negative outlook towards bunny girls because of playboy.
...you have a negative outlook towards bunny girls because of playboy.
Oh it's not like I 'dont like bunny girls' (thought it might be true I'm more of a neko fan) but I think what bothered me here was the way they present it as "hey, how about she just LOVES to dress up as a playboy porn model?". In other words: I wonder if bunny girls would be that popular in anime culture if Playboy hadn't branded the bunny-girl fetish that strongly in the first place. But if I think about it, it really doesn't make a difference if its a bunny-girl, cat-girl, or whatever... I guess they are all different sides of the same thing xD
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I think this ep bothering you isn't just a you thing though, in my case it bothered me but for different reasons being, I ain't comparing the art style but I don't recall it being this low quality that it's noticeable worse and the art style changes which I commented on were both taking me out of the experience and ep itself. Sure the animation is better I believe, but that's not always a good thing if the art style has to suffer for it. It was a largely good ep, with soem faults, such as what I mentioned but also the pacing was bad such as the jump to that party... hopefully future eps will resolve any issues ep 1 had.
I think this ep bothering you isn't just a you thing though, in my case it bothered me but for different reasons being, I ain't comparing the art style but I don't recall it being this low quality that it's noticeable worse and the art style changes which I commented on were both taking me out of the experience and ep itself. Sure the animation is better I believe, but that's not always a good thing if the art style has to suffer for it. It was a largely good ep, with soem faults, such as what I mentioned but also the pacing was bad such as the jump to that party... hopefully future eps will resolve any issues ep 1 had.
Yeah that is weird, this often happens when the animation studio changes between series. They often take a 'better' team to do S1, and then a cheaper team to do S2 once it's popular, to maximize profits (I hate that). But in this case it is the same studio, so I hope it won't happen here. But I do remember that in S1 the quality also fluctuated a bit, focussing on special moments, so maybe they are saving resources for an upcoming episode where they go all out? Let's hope so :)
| @Fairtale SAO isn't an Isekai and as a fan of that series, I really hate how much people just blame it for everything/hate on it for reasons that it doesn't deserve. Yes it has its probs, but its a solid anime and theres a reason why a lot of people like it. Anyone who doesn't like it thats fine but the amount of hate it gets is weird given I don't see that for other big name IPs. No, sorry it doesn't make sense to me. So, firstly, thank you, until now I'd not looked into the origin of both the bunny suit (Japan) and Playboy. Now that I have, other than how bunnies were treated at playboy (and mind you, I didn't look too deeply into this, just read a wiki and a few articles that came up in the search results), which I'm not getting into here, I don't see anything wrong with the playboy bunny and especially the Bunny girl/Suit that Japan adopted which removed the association to playboy and is its own thing. Now that having been said, again, Marin isn't dressing up as a playboy bunny, she is cosplaying as a bunny girl which is largely what is done in japan unlike the playboy bunny which is a waitress, cocktail maker and a few other things that are harmless. In fact, I really don't see why you even care much less are bothered by the play boy bunny nor do I honestly care to know especially given this isn't a topic I care to continue and would be getting off topic (and no, do not DM me on this either in case that crossed your mind). The point though that I am trying to make here is, Japan's bunny girls are NOT Playboy bunnies and I'll say it one final time, Marin was cosplaying as a bunny girl from an anime she loves and neither her nor the character in said anime are playboy bunnies. People often project onto others and or get worked up over nothing and that's what you're doing here, projecting that is and allowing this to ruin an alright ep. And also, the ep didn't ever once say, hint or insert what you claim. I also want to point out something here, the girls featured in the nude models magazine of playboy are not the same ones who are playboy bunnies. Further more, nude models does not = porn. I didn't look into that mag nor do I care too but the playboy bunny and bunny girl research I did pointed this out. Lastly, without playboy making the bunny girl suit, as it's called in Japan, there might not BE bunny girl suits, at the very least not the one the world knows and loves. So that should answer your wonder there. Also, I would not call this a fetish. An anime's 1st few eps are where the anime will usually look the best, not later eps. Some moments might look better but not eps themselves. |
| and we're back just as if there wasnt a big gap between s1 and s2. that girl singing just yelling out that question out of nowhere :D a lot of rotoscoping everywhere. the pink bunny girl character was the cutest |
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| Don't be cowards, make Gojo wear a bunny suit too! 6/5 still loving Gojo and Marin's chemistry |
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| my favorite polar opposites are back~ <3 |
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| LMAO i had to double check for some reason if i was watching the right anime in the beginning but it's so amazing that this show is back and the animation has improved a lot compared to 1st season im so hyped rn and i can't wait for more! |
| I had forgotten how cute and awesome Marin is. And boy that one girl truly has messed up Gojo, not to state the obvious but yeah. Can't wait to see more of the new season. |
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@_Kaorinite "blaming" is the wrong word. SAO was a good series, and its success led to a lot of low-effort copycats. This always happens when anything has success. The amount of trash Isekais produced since SAO has skyrocketed, just like we'll now see loads of "Frieren clones". It is not Frieren's 'fault', but it is a result of Frieren's success. Trash studios always try to clone success instead of coming up with anything original, this will never change. I think you just misunderstood me here, I never said anything negative about SAO.
About bunnies... Playboy's era of influence was the 60-70s, and it is not a coincidence that Bunny Suits in anime started at the same time. This is not a separate development in Japan, but simply guys putting their characters in bunny costumes as fan-service to attract horny teenagers with whatever was popular at the time.
From ChatGPT: "Anime started featuring bunny suits—the iconic "bunny girl" outfit with ears, a leotard, fishnet stockings, and high heels—in the 1970s, heavily inspired by Playboy Bunny imagery from the West, which originated in the 1960s."
Look, there's nothing wrong with liking this, but there's also nothing wrong with NOT liking it. I was expecting the new season to start with further development of their relationship. Instead I got a bunny costume. You can see how this might be a bit disappointing for someone who was expecting a bit more depth to the story, right?
For me it felt like "No new developments for you, but here is a sexy blonde in a porno bunny costume, have fun fapping". It felt low effort, in both story and, like you mentioned: animation quality.
Anyway, this is just my opinion. I'm not trying to change yours, and its not "blind hate trying to ruin an episode" or anything like that. I watched an episode, it rubbed me the wrong way, and I left my comment. There is no right answer, just different tastes and expectations. it seems my messages annoyed you in some way, I hope you know that was not my objective. Please don't take it personally and most of all, don't let other people's comments ruin your experience with an anime you like.
Have fun enjoying the series!
About bunnies... Playboy's era of influence was the 60-70s, and it is not a coincidence that Bunny Suits in anime started at the same time. This is not a separate development in Japan, but simply guys putting their characters in bunny costumes as fan-service to attract horny teenagers with whatever was popular at the time.
From ChatGPT: "Anime started featuring bunny suits—the iconic "bunny girl" outfit with ears, a leotard, fishnet stockings, and high heels—in the 1970s, heavily inspired by Playboy Bunny imagery from the West, which originated in the 1960s."
Look, there's nothing wrong with liking this, but there's also nothing wrong with NOT liking it. I was expecting the new season to start with further development of their relationship. Instead I got a bunny costume. You can see how this might be a bit disappointing for someone who was expecting a bit more depth to the story, right?
For me it felt like "No new developments for you, but here is a sexy blonde in a porno bunny costume, have fun fapping". It felt low effort, in both story and, like you mentioned: animation quality.
Anyway, this is just my opinion. I'm not trying to change yours, and its not "blind hate trying to ruin an episode" or anything like that. I watched an episode, it rubbed me the wrong way, and I left my comment. There is no right answer, just different tastes and expectations. it seems my messages annoyed you in some way, I hope you know that was not my objective. Please don't take it personally and most of all, don't let other people's comments ruin your experience with an anime you like.
Have fun enjoying the series!
| @Fairtale I get what you mean but it did come off as blaming at first, but again, I get what you mean, you were just pointing out a statement as the reason why, but if you go onto SAO's page, you'll see Isekai, is not listed. That is because VR/video game worlds do not count as Isekai. If they did then you'd need to include dreams and story books and other similar "worlds" but they don't count. Isekai means another world, but video games while sure, are worlds in a way, they are not actual worlds like the Isekai and troupe means. I'll also point out that SAO's story structure is nothing like Isekai's and that includes the role Kirito plays (and the others) and this becomes more so the case in later seasons. If there is a single actual Isekai that's to blame for the trend we've got now, I am not aware of it, but, imo it's the crappy state of the world that's the likely reason why Isekai has grown so big and why it eventually turned into the state it's in (Because most of it has been done already and stuff that hasn't i.e. Red Ranger in Another World is more experimental and may not sell if made and that's a risky venture creating something like that when money is involved). I already know the history of the Bunny Suit and Playboy, I also know the two anime it first appeared in (thanks to said research) where a bunny girl battles Darth Vader. That to me, sounds more like absurdity that anime (especially back then) is known for and less so to attract viewers in what you said. Even if that was the intention, which, you can't 100% say for sure unless you ask the ones who made the first anime to feature them, then I don't see the problem but that's fine, like you said, we have different likes/dislikes. I hate to say this but, 99% of romance in anime is barely having romance, by the time the romance (if it even does...) happens, a kiss or holding hands happens and the series ENDS... for anime the romance story is in will these two characters end up together? Will they confess? Will their love blossom? And see their reactions including shyness and blushing is the literal summery of most romance anime. Not all, but most. So, I would not expect that. We had Marin teasing Gojou with a pocky kiss. That is imo THE best part of this ep. That said, again, do not expect more of this or for a relationship to happen, lest you be disappointed if it doesn't happen. This anime's main focus is cosplay and emulating real life, everything else is secondary, and when you look at the long long history of romance anime, yeah, don't set yourself up for disappointment, enjoy it for whatever it is we get. The anime's focus is to emulate real life and cosplay, I dunno if we'll have a relationship happen or not or if there will be more depth but am just here for what the anime focuses on. Oh, we also have Marin being conscious of her feelings for Gojou in this ep, that's some development too. I mentioned animation quality was pretty good, just the art style is not as good as season 1's and I stand by that more after watching a 30ish minute video on why women love Marin which somehow showed up in my recs even though I wasn't searching for anything related to the series. The art style was for sure better in S1 than here in S2. S2 though has better animation than S1. I would rather have the better art style than the improved animation as the animation was fine in S1 from what I recall as well as what I saw in that 30 minute video. Your comment didn't annoy me, had to go back to reread my post and I can see two parts that might make someone feel I mighta been but I wasn't and sorry something I said made you feel that way. I agree, we all have different likes and dislikes and you don't need to worry about someone's comments on an anime ruining something I enjoy and since I believe you said that given what you said earlier in that same paragraph, you really don't gotta worry there at all if you said it in regards to your posts. Sure I may not understand one part of why you didn't like the ep but that's ok and it was a good discussion imo and you didn't say anything that ruined my experience with this show, more so because there is nothing you said that would do that. |
| It's been so long since the first season was released!! It's so great to see Marin and Gojou again after so long. Nobody should be judged for knowing how to apply makeup, it even makes a living now so it suck that Gojou had such a negative experience with a person before regarding this matter. |
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| Took me a bit to get into this again - though S1 was not too long ago this felt much longer. (Probably because it does not have a big overall plot. So you'd need ro remember the characters and I sometimes find that annoying for other shows with similar setup as well.) Still remembered why I liked S1. The chars are nice - main chars but also some of the other ones. At the end they mentiond the thing with being weird (male guy painting dolls cause the famile runs a shop) - and then I remembered that this was the base for S1 as well. (Not just him making cosplay for the female lead but also dealing with that issue.) Nice that actually all the other guys found it pretty normal and/or even cool. + then the other girl asking the questoin about the two main chars dating. :D Nice end for that episode. |
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| I'm enjoying it but I cant help but feel the art is a bit different to season 1. I just came off re-watching S1 and its nagging me in the back of my mind as I watch this. I could be wrong like but the animation/style is coming out to me as different. It could be the 3 year gap between seasons. I feel so bad for Gojo having to hold it back so much in front of her XD. Man is being put through torture and she's jumping around the studio lmao. Also that cliffhanger came out of nowhere. One moment she's singing her heart out and even before the music finishes she drops that bomb of a question LMAO Edit: I'm glad I wasnt the only one that though the art had changed. |
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| Yuritopia FTW!!!!!!!!! BANZAI TO YURI !!!!!!!!!!!! |
| What the heck am I watching and how can I erase my memory to rewatch this episode for the first time again cuz HOLY PEAK this is good. Why is the animation so smooth? They out here competing with One Piece levels of overanimating. It's been a hot minute since I last saw Gojo and Marin, so I'm just super pumped to see them again. Can't wait for more! |
"Like rowing a boat, we enter the future backwards. All we see are scenes of the past, and no one can control the views of tomorrow" - Wit Studio  |
| You love to see Marin back on the screen, and her wholesome relationship with Gojo. This season is insane for romance fans and CloverWorks is cooking big time. |
| Italian dub, welcome back. Finally, i can stop procrastinating. ...wow, cool cold opening. Gojo is watching? With enthusiasm too? And... Yeah, i was hyped since the trailers for bunny Kitagawa and the series is wasting no time in it (including kiss and food bait and switch). Also, i find those beheaded heads talking about cosplay and Anime details... Amusing. Also as if they came from previous decades. Uhm, yeah, using such a costume was the only way to bring Gojo to such a Halloween cosplay karaoke party (and the overall atmosphere was soooooo cool). And not gonna lie, the only bad thing about the episode is how it abruptly ended, including a ED not existing yet. Didn't expect the callback to the mistery kid from the very first episode, but still wanting Gojo to have a revenge on her at his own terms. Finally, i seriously enjoyed how Gojo was revealed as a Hina dolls artist and NOT mocked for it... This extends to the store owner from before when he misunderstood who the bunny costume was assigned for. Coming from a adult man still cosplaying (poorly) as female characters, i liked how it was handled, especially since it wasn't "the message" shoved down the audience's throats. Yes, i portrayed Eli Ayase and other Anime girls, but it's just a thing i enjoy to do and don't feel better or special for it. To sum it up... A perfect episode, it's amazing to be back. Damn. |
(save your time and don't try to comfort when i rant on casual discussion or forum games, feel free to ignore me, i won't take it personally) |
| Marin is back! The second season has finally premiered. It had a powerful start xd. The anime part was good. Arisa Isayoi, she has a great design. Marin chose her to cosplay. It looked great on her <3!! Although for Gojo it was a VERY complicated situation xD. Halloween party. Gojo went with Marin and her friends to a karaoke bar. And at the end, that question... let's see what happens xd The first episode was really good. The opening is very good. Here, many images xd  |
| Insane quality of animation, obviously took cues from Bocchi the Rock. Gojo, would you lose against Marin's charms?  Source (Contains spoiler) |
| Getting pulled into an in-universe fictional world to start the new season works really well. After taking in new character designs and action sequences, reorienting myself alongside Gojo and Marin, through a dynamic hype/chat sesh, was super refreshing. Various sides of their personalities shine within minutes, effectively reminding viewers who these characters are and the level of closeness they've attained. Soon after, another student pulls Marin away while taking note of Gojo both familiarly and with an undisclosed interest. With Marin's latest request established, we get to see how their cosplay creations and photo shoots currently play out. Gojo's found his groove, gaining confidence in his tailorship, but falters after overlooking the research process because of it. Couched within some welcomed social commentary and comedic misunderstandings, we smoothly transition to fitting the updated outfit. From here, we neatly wrap-up this phase of the episode with a callback to their earlier outing, and how Gojo hasn't worn a bunnysuit. This also sets up a subtle joke since he wears a different kind of "bunny suit" in the episode's final scenes. What's more, a similar type of internal instability surfaces again, tracing to a core memory that keeps Gojo "othered" in his own mind; he's also "othered" in the physical space by virtue of his costume. He's the only one hiding inside a shell rather than highlighting his own features and showing some skin/vulnerability/humanity. Having first rationalized a pragmatic reason to join, he now feels that artifice lose its weight; casually questioning his self-worth, wondering whether he should have attended the Halloween party, and puzzling out why no one's calling him "creepy." Fortunately, Marin's friends prove themselves good people before Gojo can really spiral, and it leads him to question the fundamental truth he'd long internalized. As the light begins to reach his eyes, and he finds himself able to simply drink/attend to his own needs, the question everyone's wondering is released. Mercilessly, or perhaps mercifully, this new question now fills the space Gojo's trauma was occupying. Hitting characters with emotionally charged questions as they finally achieve a long-delayed catharsis...man, talk about getting hit without armor. That costume really is just for show now. All in all, it was an amazing episode that wasted no time. A course has been charted with strong character dynamics, clear character growth, charming slice-of-life comedy, and the promises of romantic progression. I am here for it~ |
| You never realize how much you miss a show until it creeps back into the spotlight and reminds you why you love it so much through its radiance once more. It's as if the show never left. Not only that, but this episode pushed every (positive) expectation I had for this sister season so far beyond what I could have ever dreamed of that it's a little insane. The animation in this episode is unbelievable. I never would have began to expect the show could look this good but my mind has been absolutely obliterated. Such a gorgeous episode. I am floored by the love poured into every frame of this episode. The minute body movements and facial expressions sell the mindset of every character so well, down to even the helpful older gentleman in the craft store. I also want to highlight the moment where Marin's thoughts are animated next to her head as she fangirls over Gojo's text compared to the more level-headed reality. My deepest praise and thanks to the animators and the animation director, this is insanely impressive work. As usual, Gojo and Marin both are amazingly fun and energetic characters in their own ways. Gojo's quiet excitement met with Marin's equal but more boisterous excitement is always a treat to watch, especially when they interact. I have always been a huge fan of Gojo connecting with Marin not just by becoming invested in her own interests and hobbies but by connecting his own experiences and interest to hers. It feels very realistic and has remained very consistent in its depiction. Gojo has also remained consistently deeply passionate about creating a quality product and I always connect heavily with him in those moments (the mini meltdown over the suit not staying up - I feel you brother). It's also fun watching Marin tease Gojo in an actual fun and not mean-spirited manner as other shows have done. It comes across as loving, as it should. The Pocky scene in particular really got me going. Also Marin canonically growls at random men hitting on her, very funny and valid. This is my first time hearing the English dub of this anime and I love the voice choices. They fit the characters very well. In particular, I really enjoy Gojo's casting. Paul Dateh is doing a wonderful job delivering the character of the quiet yet kind and passionate Gojo and I wouldn't have it any other way. I also like the modern English/American slang integrated, it reminds me of my high-school days. On a final note I really liked the ending to this episode. Gojo having social anxiety over his craft and skills being brought up really hit home for me. I have had very similar moments to him, especially when I was closer to his age. I also love that he may finally be starting to realize that it was just his childhood friend that had made such a remark and not everyone believes that. A great start to moving forward. Also Nowa calling out Gojo and Marin was quite amusing. It goes without saying that I am SO looking forward to more. This will highly likely be one of my favorite shows this season just as season 1 was. |
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| Amazing episode! Wakana examined his trauma and thought about his place at the Halloween party. Loved the colors and atmosphere the whole episode! The guy at the store was really cool with what he thought was Wakana wearing a bunny girl outfit, and I thought that was cool. Bunny girls really do unite the world! |
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