| Peak of mount stupid is like 'Sword art online is the greatest anime ever' when it the only show you've seen. You assume knowledge of something, that you are a peer with no equal. A person recommends a show and you refuse because you have great taste, you've watched 'Naruto' and only 'Naruto the best anime ever made'. I'd imagine the Valley of Despair might be the 'Boroto' anime, where fans of a series are confronted with the notion that they might not have known. Slope of Enlightenment is likely when someone starts watching more anime, getting comfortable in not knowing everything. Plateau of Enlightenment would be an acceptance you've matured you taste and you are never truly all knowing, rather content to learn as you continue to explore anime as a whole. |
Sometimes it takes a real man to be best girl. Gilgamesh is also chad.   |
Reply to FanofAction
@ComboSmooth I mean....He didn't even spell "dunning-kruger" right in his own title and has yet to notice and change it.
| @FanofAction Or he did that on purpose to bait people like yourself. IT's just a thought. |
| You need to start somewhere if you're going to get better at it, so you shouldn't be too quick to critique someone, but the person shouldn't feign knowledge to impress. An issue with a lot of modern discourse is an obsession with scores/favorites/taste and an incentive to clickbait/drag on/meme to get attention. The analysis I am primarily interested in is either from people I know, trying to understand something that was unclear to me, or those who have done research and have some interesting insight to share. |
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| Nah, low level bait. Still kinda funny tho, And here I thought Mal got boring Lmao. |
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Reply to TheMechaManiac
@traed where did you get the politics from? I was using the term "right" as in "right hand side", not as "right wing". I was referring to OP's graph.
| @TheMechaManiac Ohhh i see. My bad. Just it very closely matched the views some people have so it was easy to misinterpret lol. I kind of ignored the image a bit since I feel a visual graph in that form the visual elements kind of distract from what the two axises are and wrongly make it seem like a progression in time. Also people who are more competent also can under estimate or overestimate themselves because it isnt something that applies evenly to people which you can't really tell from the graph plotting. |
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Reply to AnimeDownUnder
As someone who used to actually do animation and currently still write books.... it's not dunning krueger effect that's what i've put hours into learning and perfecting. I know what's good and bad it's not dunning krueger effect, just saying. I analyse anime and I can say I do a very good non biased job of that, by using objective criteria. And since writing and animation are both things i'm trained at I can use my knowledge to judge these things
@AnimeDownUnder Is this bait? This has to be bait. Believing your opinion on an artistic subject is "objective" because you have some experience about it would be peak dunning kruger tbh. Animation is debatable, there are a few technical aspects that can be objectively measured (emphasis on "a few"), but with writing? Your opinion can 100% be more valid and educated than a random's opinion. There's enough anime fans who are absolutely clueless about animation to prove all opinions are not equal. But saying you're "non-biased" on an artistic subject is wild. |
DeathkoOct 15, 2024 8:22 AM
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Reply to Deathko
@AnimeDownUnder Is this bait?
This has to be bait.
Believing your opinion on an artistic subject is "objective" because you have some experience about it would be peak dunning kruger tbh. Animation is debatable, there are a few technical aspects that can be objectively measured (emphasis on "a few"), but with writing?
Your opinion can 100% be more valid and educated than a random's opinion. There's enough anime fans who are absolutely clueless about animation to prove all opinions are not equal. But saying you're "non-biased" on an artistic subject is wild.
This has to be bait.
Believing your opinion on an artistic subject is "objective" because you have some experience about it would be peak dunning kruger tbh. Animation is debatable, there are a few technical aspects that can be objectively measured (emphasis on "a few"), but with writing?
Your opinion can 100% be more valid and educated than a random's opinion. There's enough anime fans who are absolutely clueless about animation to prove all opinions are not equal. But saying you're "non-biased" on an artistic subject is wild.
| @Deathko Disagree, maybe you have dunning krueger... Are you saying there isn't defining factors that make animation good and bad?? hmm you must be trolling if you seriously think that there isn't proper fundamentals to these things. Story writing definitely has structure and certain basics and fundamentals which shouldn't be ignored..... That's like saying you can build a house without the fundamentals and it's still a good house, no you've built a house that's built wrong and not to code which will most likely end up being a disaster in the making. Don't even associate my objective reviews as something subjective. Mate I strongly suggest you educate yourself on the fundamentals of writing and how to structure story properly...until then your opinion is invalid since you just proved you didn't even know story writing basics You're basically also saying art doesn't have fundamentals either... even painting has basics and techniques. Calling something art doesn't make it excusable to do whatever you want then pass it off as good |
AnimeDownUnderOct 16, 2024 2:50 AM
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Reply to AnimeDownUnder
As someone who used to actually do animation and currently still write books.... it's not dunning krueger effect that's what i've put hours into learning and perfecting. I know what's good and bad it's not dunning krueger effect, just saying. I analyse anime and I can say I do a very good non biased job of that, by using objective criteria. And since writing and animation are both things i'm trained at I can use my knowledge to judge these things
AnimeDownUnder said: objective criteria "objective" criteria, invented by people based on their opinions xD |
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| OP's post gave me cancer looooooooooooooooooooooooool |
Reply to AnimeDownUnder
@Deathko Disagree, maybe you have dunning krueger... Are you saying there isn't defining factors that make animation good and bad?? hmm you must be trolling if you seriously think that there isn't proper fundamentals to these things. Story writing definitely has structure and certain basics and fundamentals which shouldn't be ignored..... That's like saying you can build a house without the fundamentals and it's still a good house, no you've built a house that's built wrong and not to code which will most likely end up being a disaster in the making. Don't even associate my objective reviews as something subjective.
Mate I strongly suggest you educate yourself on the fundamentals of writing and how to structure story properly...until then your opinion is invalid since you just proved you didn't even know story writing basics
You're basically also saying art doesn't have fundamentals either... even painting has basics and techniques. Calling something art doesn't make it excusable to do whatever you want then pass it off as good
Mate I strongly suggest you educate yourself on the fundamentals of writing and how to structure story properly...until then your opinion is invalid since you just proved you didn't even know story writing basics
You're basically also saying art doesn't have fundamentals either... even painting has basics and techniques. Calling something art doesn't make it excusable to do whatever you want then pass it off as good
| @AnimeDownUnder I'm certainly not a flithy subjectivist when it comes to animation, and there are some things that can be measured objectively. Consistency, frames per second, that kind of stuff. Does it mean 24 fps = always really good and sub 8 fps = always really bad? Akira (24 fps) is really good animation. The original Macross show (sub 1 fps at times) is really bad animation. But something like City Hunter, where the very limited animation is timed perfectly to emphasize the jokes? "objectively", it's bad animation, but it supports the show's comedy better than "objectively good animation" would. So, what do you objectively measure about animation? You can make some objectively true statements about it like "the framerate is high", "the characters are anatomically correct", or "animators make use of animation concepts like squash and stretch", but that doesn't really tell you if the final work of art is good. Monster has anatomically correct characters and a framerate that never dips, it has to be objectively good, right? But it's some of the most boring animation I saw in my life. Like most things in life, the answer to the whole "can animation be objectively measured, or is it all subjective?" question is: grey. Writing is the most subjective subject here. Yes, there are "rules", but none of them are based on nature like with music and animation. There's literally nothing in nature that points towards a "proper" way to write/tell a story, just a bunch of rules people agreed on after experimenting. It's almost entirely subjective. |
DeathkoOct 16, 2024 9:59 AM
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