| it ain't real, chill TF out bro. |
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| There are lots of errors in your post, I fixed them for you: Why do people defend attack Rudeus? I don't understand why people, when praise is made about Rudeus who does morally right things despite his tragic past, tend to attack him with pathetic accusations just because they hate the show, that is, Rudeus, despite considering himself a bad person, really does a lot of things very honorable (such as saving Sylphie from bullies, preventing his family from falling apart, leading Eris on the right track, helping Ruijerd to restore the honor of the Superds, relieving his father of his misery, freeing Lilia & Aisha, saving Sara's life, taking good care of his sisters) and it is right that he is praised about this, even if it is annoying how the story tries to portray Rudeus as a bad person when in reality he is not, such as Keyaru from Redo of Healer. However it seems that praise cannot be made about him because the haters will attack him to the hilt, even though the praises are legitimate and reasonable and that's what I can't understand. The haters are really so susceptible that they don't even see the reality of the facts anymore? What do you think about it? |
ZarutakuMay 16, 6:06 PM
No, this isn't my signature~desu. |
| Cause he is a cartoon character that people find entertaining. Stop beeing such a ninny. Non of this is real. It doesn't matter who he assaults or how young the fictional girls are, that he has interactions with. It's a silly cartoon. Grow up. |
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| For the simple reason that you need to put everything in context, there's a fucking warlord (or some shit) that's a loli in bikini armor. Do you think this is the same series that's trying to make a realistic point about Rudy being an "adult" who molests children? The correct answer here is "fuck no" and above all else you're supposed to view Rudy (as a child) as someone mentally detached from reality, not as someone with any malicious intent. Rudy comes to regret that he was a worthless degenerate, and it inspires him to change, but it's never about him being a morally "bad" person, that's just not something that holds much weight in the story, in any realistic sense. |
LostSpectreMay 16, 3:53 PM
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
| Obvious bait. The alternative is that you either watched the show with screen and speakers turned off, because your statements are factually incorrect. For example, saying that "he bought a slave" and that it was for "his personal amusement" is factually incorrect and anyone who watched will know it because the reasoning was said out loud. Anyways I'll bite. Ironic, that you posted this at 2nd cour of 2nd season, where his growth is undeniable just like the fact that he is a much better person. At this point he is actually much better person that Kazuma, yet nobody is attacking him for some reason. You guys saw what immoral stuff he did in the last two episodes? It was obvious since beginning, that Rudeus fell quite behind in terms of growing up, morality included, due to his plight from previous world, so something that may be common sense for anyone for him mihjt be something that he actually had to learn. Saying, that "he is an adult in child's body" is nothing but a desperate cope haters use to validate their bad takes. The actual question should be "Why are people STILL attacking Rudeus?" But anyway, Okeanix situation made me realize something. It will be purely speculative and it maybe just one of many reason, but some people geniuenly believe, that it is impossible for two shows of the same genre to be good and it is some sort of competition. This is why people attack Demon Slayer saying "it's carried by animation", MAPPA saying that they botched JJK adaptation and even put Rudeus to constantly increasing and eventually impossible to achieve standards. It is all to validate their disdain towards the show, because their favourite snow is less successful. That's why they point to the tiniest inconsistencies in Demon Slayer's story (sometimes are just not paying attention and those are not even inconsistencies), that's why they are hating on MAPPA and everything they make as a whole and keep repeating the same mental gymnastics, that Rudeus is "a man in child's body", blatantly lie that he "bought a slave for fun" (He never bought or at any point of the story owned a slave. Zenoba is her master, while Rudeus teaches her magic.) convinently omitting, that Rudy literally saved her life. But surprise, suprise, it is possible for two similar shoes to both be good! Rudeus is a great character and at current state is a good person. Deal with it. |
PiromyslMay 16, 4:59 PM
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SenshadouOtaku said: Im not trying to be mean or anything but we’ve literally seen this same thread at least 5 times For three years straight, constantly. I honestly thought, that once first season concluded those threads will cease, but I guess haters are just hate being proven wrong and will double down, because Rudeus growth is undeniable and he is in much better spot now. |
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| Rudeus was written as a realistic character. Not an idealistic characters. I know it's hard to accept, but people in real life do morally questionable things on a daily basis. |
Reply to Animaticide
Just to make it super-clear to the few rando snowflakes with reading-comprehension-issues that roam this site and the Twitter/Reddit tourists that sometimes find themselves here by chance: THIS IS NOT A DEFENSE NOR AN ENDORSEMENT OF THE BAD CHARACTER TRAITS OF MUSHOKU TENSEI'S PROTAGONIST.
Now, I think you are confused. The whole point of the story is watching a POS getting a second chance to better himself while also coming to terms on how to best function in a society that has substantial differences to ours. Acknowledging that does not equal "defending" him.
Besides, it is a piece of fiction, and a very well written one at that (for the genre). You don't have to particularly align with a character's actions and morality to enjoy a work of fiction as a spectator. I think the main issue most people have is that they lack the media literacy to understand that crucial point. Tangentially, projecting your own set of morals into a story is so freaking childish, especially on a fantasy setting. As society evolves, your own distinctions of good and evil will be for sure bashed and criticized in the future for how shortsighted, irresponsible, and hypocritical they are. That is a fact. So why bother virtue-signaling like a baby on Twitter now?
In this case, the objective is to root for THE IDEA of a character that is slowly discovering his shortcomings through getting (sometimes) punished for acting amorally and rewarded (sometimes) when they act selflessly. You don't have to be an actual gray-area molester to empathize with the sentiment of wanting to improve as person. It's a metaphor; the magical safe-space that fiction provides to audiences to experience incredibly foreign lifestyles with lessons that are universally applicable and valuable.
And no, by that I don't mean to imply that Rudeus ever becomes a paragon of virtue, that would be ridiculous character development. Every single human to ever exist has been a POS to some extent, especially when scoped through someone else's perspective.
Now, I think you are confused. The whole point of the story is watching a POS getting a second chance to better himself while also coming to terms on how to best function in a society that has substantial differences to ours. Acknowledging that does not equal "defending" him.
Besides, it is a piece of fiction, and a very well written one at that (for the genre). You don't have to particularly align with a character's actions and morality to enjoy a work of fiction as a spectator. I think the main issue most people have is that they lack the media literacy to understand that crucial point. Tangentially, projecting your own set of morals into a story is so freaking childish, especially on a fantasy setting. As society evolves, your own distinctions of good and evil will be for sure bashed and criticized in the future for how shortsighted, irresponsible, and hypocritical they are. That is a fact. So why bother virtue-signaling like a baby on Twitter now?
In this case, the objective is to root for THE IDEA of a character that is slowly discovering his shortcomings through getting (sometimes) punished for acting amorally and rewarded (sometimes) when they act selflessly. You don't have to be an actual gray-area molester to empathize with the sentiment of wanting to improve as person. It's a metaphor; the magical safe-space that fiction provides to audiences to experience incredibly foreign lifestyles with lessons that are universally applicable and valuable.
And no, by that I don't mean to imply that Rudeus ever becomes a paragon of virtue, that would be ridiculous character development. Every single human to ever exist has been a POS to some extent, especially when scoped through someone else's perspective.
| @Animaticide Great post. You dont have to be a good person to guarantee being a great character, look at how many stories with series that have failed because of how boring and poor their stories and leads are despite being morally 'better'. You can be an ass and be a great character, Askeladd in Vinland Saga, Kan Ki in Kingdom, even Eren is beloved by many fans and look at what he has done. Rudeus in his previous life was rock bottom. He abandoned connections with family, resorting to wasting his life playing video games and watching hentai basically accepting how his social life was completely over and just wasting time as a shut-in for decades in a hopeless fashion. His maturity completely stagnated with him being stuck in his room the entire time and that mindset did not magically disappear completely when he first was in the new world. But because people like Roxy gave him the confidence to go outside, because he learned first hand of things that were really wrong to do like what happened with Eris on his 10th birthday over there that he can learn and grow from his issues and mistakes slowly. He will never be the beacon of perfection morally, and if he was, it would ruin his characterization completely due to how dramatic of a change that would be but the anime and story manages to have him really develop but still have him, be him with imperfections there like a more regular person in his world, even his own father, Ruijerd, Cliff, Eris and many, many others have made mistakes, arent perfect people but have depth and complexity to them to be really good characters in their own rights. Morality and virtue signalling does not make characters automatically great, otherwise there wouldn't ever be bad or morally complex characters and shows ever and everything will be so bland, dull and lacking in development to watch. Rudeus isnt a person I envision myself to ever be but his experiences of being a shut-in and feeling hopeless, and overcoming it through hard work, dedication, willingness to push through mistakes and learn to care for his family and people around him, explore his own mental health and want to make up for his failures by helping his current family like his sisters, these kinds of things do make me empathetic and happy to actually see him grow given I know people that have really struggled with depression issues from uni that led them to darker paths without giving themselves the option to give another chance. It is amazing because favorites like Revy, who is great but kills people a lot for her missions that she chooses to take, Esdeath who thrives on violence and being obsessed with Tatsumi from Akame ga kill and an assassin in Yor who lies to his own family about the job she does for 'good motives' which involves her killing is all okay without morals questioned whatsoever lmfao. Regardless of motive, they are still taking part in these wrongdoing things but that does not mean they are necessarily bad characters because of it, like Rudeus, Eren, Kanki and Askeladd as I mentioned earlier. |
MangagnaMMay 16, 4:54 PM
Reply to Animaticide
Just to make it super-clear to the few rando snowflakes with reading-comprehension-issues that roam this site and the Twitter/Reddit tourists that sometimes find themselves here by chance: THIS IS NOT A DEFENSE NOR AN ENDORSEMENT OF THE BAD CHARACTER TRAITS OF MUSHOKU TENSEI'S PROTAGONIST.
Now, I think you are confused. The whole point of the story is watching a POS getting a second chance to better himself while also coming to terms on how to best function in a society that has substantial differences to ours. Acknowledging that does not equal "defending" him.
Besides, it is a piece of fiction, and a very well written one at that (for the genre). You don't have to particularly align with a character's actions and morality to enjoy a work of fiction as a spectator. I think the main issue most people have is that they lack the media literacy to understand that crucial point. Tangentially, projecting your own set of morals into a story is so freaking childish, especially on a fantasy setting. As society evolves, your own distinctions of good and evil will be for sure bashed and criticized in the future for how shortsighted, irresponsible, and hypocritical they are. That is a fact. So why bother virtue-signaling like a baby on Twitter now?
In this case, the objective is to root for THE IDEA of a character that is slowly discovering his shortcomings through getting (sometimes) punished for acting amorally and rewarded (sometimes) when they act selflessly. You don't have to be an actual gray-area molester to empathize with the sentiment of wanting to improve as person. It's a metaphor; the magical safe-space that fiction provides to audiences to experience incredibly foreign lifestyles with lessons that are universally applicable and valuable.
And no, by that I don't mean to imply that Rudeus ever becomes a paragon of virtue, that would be ridiculous character development. Every single human to ever exist has been a POS to some extent, especially when scoped through someone else's perspective.
Now, I think you are confused. The whole point of the story is watching a POS getting a second chance to better himself while also coming to terms on how to best function in a society that has substantial differences to ours. Acknowledging that does not equal "defending" him.
Besides, it is a piece of fiction, and a very well written one at that (for the genre). You don't have to particularly align with a character's actions and morality to enjoy a work of fiction as a spectator. I think the main issue most people have is that they lack the media literacy to understand that crucial point. Tangentially, projecting your own set of morals into a story is so freaking childish, especially on a fantasy setting. As society evolves, your own distinctions of good and evil will be for sure bashed and criticized in the future for how shortsighted, irresponsible, and hypocritical they are. That is a fact. So why bother virtue-signaling like a baby on Twitter now?
In this case, the objective is to root for THE IDEA of a character that is slowly discovering his shortcomings through getting (sometimes) punished for acting amorally and rewarded (sometimes) when they act selflessly. You don't have to be an actual gray-area molester to empathize with the sentiment of wanting to improve as person. It's a metaphor; the magical safe-space that fiction provides to audiences to experience incredibly foreign lifestyles with lessons that are universally applicable and valuable.
And no, by that I don't mean to imply that Rudeus ever becomes a paragon of virtue, that would be ridiculous character development. Every single human to ever exist has been a POS to some extent, especially when scoped through someone else's perspective.
| @Animaticide Well said and I'd like to sign up under it. Nobody who likes Eren is genocidal maniac and saying that they are is ludicrous. Nobody ever said that Rudeus was never without fault. Before being isekai'd he was truly a scumbag and everything bad that happened to him was his fault. What I find even more ironic is that a lot of people shitting on Rudeus are actually vile people in real life. I don't really want to go into specifics and even worse, politics, but I'd just point out that a lot of those people I saw on Twitter support "the current thing", which include hate groups and terrorists, so they don't have any moral high ground to stand on. |
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| He's flawed, he's human, he got isekaied, he's fictional, but he's growing, learning from his mistakes, hopefully, etc. |
| Cause he the GOAT, simple as that |
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Reply to KryzakamiHrybami
Rudeus was written as a realistic character. Not an idealistic characters.
I know it's hard to accept, but people in real life do morally questionable things on a daily basis.
I know it's hard to accept, but people in real life do morally questionable things on a daily basis.
| @KryzakamiHrybami hmm. i both agree and disagree about this usage of realistic realisitcally, people like rudeus who are fucked up on the head (installed a camera to spy on his niece in the bathroom to jerk off to her and god knows what was on his computer) either end up on prison or get away with abusing minors. this is especially so with countries like japan where the laws on protection of underage kids are loose and posession of child abuse materials weren't banned till 2014 (they even gave them a year to get rid of it instead of immediately enforcing it lol). if we are being realistic, the average person in RL who is a shut-in neet who jerk off to underage kids either end up in a cell, hanged, and/or a jankie later on because they are a nolifer. it's rare when someone like this rebounds back to society he's written to be realistically trash rather than realistically standard. i also agree that idealistic MCs are insufferable and intoxicating to read/watch a lot of times because they come off as hypocritical a lot of time and not realistic. i think the better of both worlds would be the best but having either of the two is always a fresh air when u get tired of one then u can have the other. sorry if this was long to read, my two cents on this. |
| if rudeus looks ugly he will be hated more for sure so its halo effect and pretty privilege |
Saimatsu_Fan said: Piromysl said: For three years straight, constantly. I honestly thought, that once first season concluded those threads will cease, but I guess haters are just hate being proven wrong and will double down, because Rudeus growth is undeniable and he is in much better spot now. if you think Mushoku tensei haters are bad enough look up rebelpanda ok Twitter and mal lol, also moblack on YouTube and twitter you haven't seen shit I've already heard about him. Apparently he is a lolcow on both MAL and Twitter, which is something. Overall, he is a walking red flag.  |
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Piromysl said: Saimatsu_Fan said: if you think Mushoku tensei haters are bad enough look up rebelpanda ok Twitter and mal lol, also moblack on YouTube and twitter you haven't seen shit I've already heard about him. Apparently he is a lolcow on both MAL and Twitter, which is something. Overall, he is a walking red flag. lol i fucking love this image, everyone using it against him was funny, reminded me when cuckjoey was calling ( and is still ) calling anime fans pedos and yet his likes are full of nagatoro porn also look up AsarthaHS video about MT, it's a good laugh |
Leon888 said: buying slaves for his personal gain as if it were the most normal thing in the world Why would this be wrong? Slavery is allowed in many fantasy worlds in and in my opinion, Rudeus saved her and gave her a better life. I've seen many series where slaves got better treatment after being bought. But also worse until saved by someone. |
| "You only realize the real value of something you discarded when you get the chance to pick it up again." - Rudeus Greyrat |
| Tbh, I can't love rudeus even if they redeem him with ED and stuff. In no way is this realistic. |
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