Nozomanu Fushi no Boukensha Episode 9 Discussion

@Gameboon

Agree on all counts, though while I think the LN is the more in-depth version of the story, it can get pretty wordy. The manga changes a few bits in places, but is an easier read(art is also amazing, but this applies to the LN as well).

Glad you enjoy it. Not sure why you felt the need to be rude cause if my opinion of the anime is that off than you're just surfing through comments looking for drama.

Yea. mc is overpowered. But you cant rank up unless the guild thinks you should be able to take the test, which seems like a flawed system to me. With how rigorous the bronze class test was it seems like they care more about "integrity" than "power", but then again that runs counter to how the mc acted like he was bullied for his low rank in another town so ig it depends on the local guild.

The tarrasque is actually the strongest monster in dnd so it kind of bothers me they just made it a mid level swamp monster.

I dont understand why it doesn't make "logical sense" for me to be glad you liked an anime I dislike. Me posting a comment about me disliking an anime only means I didn't like the anime. I watched this anime up to this point cause I thought it has an interesting premise and I love fantasy. However since episode 6 I havent really been interested in the anime because I found the content to not be what I enjoy. imo the dialogue and the content has been lacking, and that's why I attempted to respectfully drop the anime.

You telling me I dont know what is good anime seems similar to me as you stating if anyone disagrees with you on what good anime is, then they are wrong. You didnt attempt to learn why I disliked the anime, you simply called me out for lacking taste. Sorry if Im getting the wrong idea, I do tend to take offense quicker than I probably should.

If you like the anime, that's all fine and dandy, and I hope you enjoy the rest of the episodes. Personally Im going to watch different things. I recently watched Jormungand, which I found to be very good. I ranked it a 9/10. Its not fantasy but if you like anime similar to Black Lagoon or other anime that focus on guns, action, and adventure, you should definitely watch. Im tempted to watch the second season but I might watch Jigokuraku next because from watching the first episode and having been entranced by that anime's trailer for a long time before it even came out, it looks like something I'd really like.

@Triggerfish124

First: Re-reading how I phrased my two previous responses, I felt the need to apologize for my impatience and rudeness. It wasn’t something you said, I’m the who one got impulsively defensive for the anime. ( I really need to watch that ) I also had no foundation to make such an accusation about you, it was ridiculous. No excuse, I acted like a jerk, and I’m sorry for this shameful display, please forgive me.

Second: You’re right, I was not being fair, and I didn’t ask you why changed your mind. I should have been more open minded and willing to hear your perspective. If you wouldn’t mind explaining, I still would like to hear a comparison between what you liked and disliked about the anime. ( I don’t think you explained this yet )

Third: Consider this, if someone who likes the anime, said to you, “Glad you disliked the anime”, would that make sense? Maybe I’m not understanding what you meant by this, but it sounded strange in my mind and when I read it aloud. If a person likes or dislikes something, wouldn’t they want to have people agree with them? Or if they disagree, wouldn’t they want to convince the person to change their mind?

Fourth: Thank you for the suggestions and explaining. I have “Jormungand” & “Black Lagoon” on my Plan to Watch list. I started watching “Jigokuraku” and really enjoyed the intro episodes, but when it changed to the actual journey, the story became too weird for me and I put it on hold to watch later. ( Ironic isn’t it 😅 )

@ejleon

The main reason I found myself disliking the anime is a lot of small plotholes. Stuff like that matters more to me than it probably should. I imagine you won't want to read all this but its there if you want to. Tbh I wasn't that respectful (I probably wouldn't have worded it that way if I thought members of the studio who produced it or the author themselves looked into MAL's forums... which come to think of it they probably do at times) when dropping the anime, although I didn't think anyone would care about my comment cause I didn't go out of my way to bash it lmao. A comment tho is still a comment, so one should probably expect to get negative comments to one own's negative comment. As for the "glad you like the anime", it probably does sound a bit weird. I am weird. The way I see it, people all have their different preferences, and everyone has their own perspectives. I started watching this because I thought it had an interesting premise, and I really liked the first few episodes. If you're still enjoying the anime, I don't begrudge you for it, and if you read my reasons I hope it doesn't put a sour taste in your mouth and affect how you see the anime. Hopefully you can disagree with all my points and continue to enjoy.


The Blacksmith
* There's not really that much issue with the Blacksmith and his wife, but I don't think it was that big of a deal that Rentt didn't tell them more about
himself. If they have so many customers and they keep their knowledge confidential, I feel like they should respect their customer's privacy too. I
think the dialogue of why he didn't tell them more about himself, their musings on what his problem was, and their "plan" to make him tell more
about himself was unnecessary. At least I assume they have a bunch of customers. He's allegedly one of their "best" customers, and he's only
ordered one sword.

The two adventurers during the Bronze rank test:
* Rentt became a monster in the Labyrinth of the Moon's Reflection. The reason he wasn't at the Labyrinth of the New Moon was because no other
adventurer was interested in partnering up with him, according to the first episode. That map he obtained from that weird woman in that secret
dungeon room showed that he had actually covered a bit of the Labyrinth of the New Moon. One can assume he either started exploring it after his
evolution/after finishing exploring that newly discovered branch of the Labyrinth of the Moon's Reflection, or the fact that no other adventurer was
interested in partnering with him to go to the Labyrinth of the New Moon is not true. Either option bugs me, cause I'd rather the stuff the story tells
is true for the most part, and for exploring content to not be skipped. I felt like Rentt dominated the group in the test a bit too much and
Ryza and Laura just followed him obediently. As such I don't think Ryza and Laura should have passed the test because with how much Rentt taught
them during the test, I think any examiner watching should have realized they weren't prepared/experienced enough to reach bronze rank. At least at
the beginning, Ryza was against everything Rentt was saying, but he acted mostly as a foil to Rentt. I'm probably being pretty biased tho. I
rewatched with the anime sped up and Ryza seemed decent actually, but Laura doesn't really do much at all. Tbf she did support the characters
decently in combat, seeing as she helped defeat that one member of the "ambush" and her magical blast was what led them to defeat the grand
slime, but I think dialogue is important and for the most part when she spoke it was just to explain things to add some variety from Rentt
lecturing.

* As a side note, I thought the labyrinth race for the guild was a bit too over the top as well. Apparently the guild used enough members to shadow all
of the players, set up ambushes in random locations, build traps over areas players have already traversed (I'm assuming on this. Personally if I was
an adventurer I would try to go the way I came, off of the idea that it's relatively safe compared to choosing a different path. Oh - but then again
they might have taken an alternate route that could have been shorter since Rentt's party took a detour to see the second level. Didn't seem like it p
paid off that well with how they complained tho.), and still have members to create obstacles for the test takers outside of the labyrinth (going off
Rentt's comment that the wagons they used could have went somewhere else and the wagon driver smirked). And let's say you're not a test taker
and just a regular adventurer. Did the guild refuse to let anyone enter the dungeon during the test? If not, that means that adventurers outside of
the test could have ended up in those areas with monster incense and come into contact with the test takers or guild members pretending to be
villainous adventurers. And in that scenario, with those fights with weapons and magic, mistakes are bound to be made and people could have died. I
imagine I'm being too serious, but eh I like worldbuilding that makes sense and I don't think this really did.

The villagers of the Lord of the Lake
* I didn't like how they just did nothing. If the Lord of the Lake is demanding sacrifices on a constant basis, its obvious the village is doomed. Its small
so there's no way its going to keep up with that demand, and so they're just buying time with lives. And yet they just stick with it and act like they're
suffering and can't do anything about it. The sister of the guy who hired Rentt annoys me the most. She berates her brother for trying to help her,
and then acted like what she wass doing was noble. She then acted as if what her brother wanted was news to her, goes along with Rentt's "plan",
and in the end kissed him. I didn't think this episode was realistic at all with these characters. They all know the lord of the lake just keeps
demanding more and more sacrifices, and yet they don't do anything about it except keeping the "tradition". The merchant masterplan didn't seem
that great either. Do they travel from the village every time they claim one girl and some "treasure"? That seems like a bunch of effort. In addition,
this is a lake, where did that massive ship come from? And how does that work with the wagons?

The guild receptionist
* At her job, she seemed like a decent enough character, but I don't see why she would care so much about Rentt and his well being. There wasn't
any content up to this discussion forum's episode that gave any reason that she would be this interested in Rentt. Well... episode 5 mentioned that
she learned to be a receptionist from Rentt, but I don't see how that makes any sense. I would understand if the reason she figured out Rentt Vivier
was Rentt Faina was because she interviewed the guards of the various gates and discovered that a mysterious masked figure entered the city with
Rentt's id and claimed he was cursed, or possibly interrogating the girl from the second episode (which would explain why they haven't come across
each other for the rest of what I watched because she was being held for questioning) but instead they just made Sheila "know" instead.
Seeing as how Rentt sounded different, his current physique looks a lot taller than the scenes from when he was human, and he's a lot stronger than
he was, I think its very weird that she would just assume without any doubt that Rennt Vivier is Rentt Faina. The guild master literally just told her
that Rentt Vivier is their sole suspect for kidnapping adventurers, and yet she willingly offers to become a slave if he tells her the truth. If Rentt
Vivier had truly been this slaver, she would have made a terrible mistake. The lines in the anime they said between each other is as follows:
Sheila: Rentt, I have a question for you. I apologize for asking when you are tired, but would you please come with me? You're sharp enough to
know what I'm about to ask, aren't you?
Rentt: Does the Guild plan on punishing me for what I've done?
Sheila: I'm the one asking the questions here.
Rentt: If that's the case, I'm never coming back to the guild. That's all.
Sheila: Wait! I just wanted to know... what exactly happened to you?
Rentt: Sheila, I've got a big problem that I'm dealing with right now. I don't want anyone getting involved. Not even the guild.
Sheila: Rentt, I haven't actually told the guild about you, yet.

* There's more before she explains the slave pact but I got tired of going back and forth writing it down. They never openly stated Rentt Vivier was
Rentt Faina. If he had actually been a slaver, he could have assumed that's what she meant. The last Rentt line wouldn't fit that, but at the same
time, if he was a slaver, he might have thought she had the wrong idea with the "what exactly happened to you", and just been going along to make
sure. In which case she would have taken him to a secluded place and just told him no one knows. That was extremely stupid imo and it only
happened because of the author wanting her to figure it out, even tho there isn't really anything to support her finding out to begin with.

* And then the slavery thing. That was just so out there. Even if he helped her grow up, whatever that means seeing as there's been no
flashbacks to this and he has literally never mentions this, that's way too weird. And he even signed the damn document! I'm not against slavery in
an anime, I think fantasy worlds having different morals is interesting, but this was the first time we even learned there was slavery in this anime's
world, and she just willingly creates a contract that will force her into slavery if she doesn't keep her end.

Lorrain's resolve
* When Rentt revealed to Sheila he's an undead, he takes her to Lorraine's house, and then thinks "Lorraine doesn't see Sheila as a person, even as
she sits in front of her. Depending on her answer, she'll eliminate her without any hesitation." What. The. Fuck. Lorraine hasn't shown any traits
like this, at least not from my perspective. The anime has had scenes of her acting like a mad scientist, but I just saw it as comedy and a way to
demonstrate that she gets crazily obsessed with her studies. Killing someone is completely different from that, and if anything, would be the thing
that broke the camel's back. The anime has already stated people have seen Rentt going to and from Lorraine's home. Lorraine is apparently quite
famous/popular in this town. The guild apparently has a ton of workers/people they can hire for contractor work. Rentt is suspected of kidnapping
adventurers (The anime didn't have Sheila tell Rentt that he's suspected of kidnapping just yet so if that was the only reason keeping Lorraine from
killing her I would have been all for it. I love it when characters don't know the full story.). And this just doesn't fit Lorraine's personality, at least
imo. All these are facts that make it not a rational idea at all for Lorraine to kill Sheila. People would notice her disappearance, there's a chance
someone saw Sheila enter Lorraine's house with Rentt, there's no way Rentt would be on board with this, and if they are going to kill people for
discovering Rentt is a monster, than they shouldn't be worrying about Rentt being a monster and having potential homicidal urges in the first place,
aside from blending in.

Bipolar MC
* Another thing would be I think the protagonist's personality changed after episode 2. I got the idea that he was a nice guy whose always
willing to help others. Afterwards he always seemed to be self centered to me. Maybe my view is biased but that's my persepective on it. Its a small
issue seeing as in the end he does generally help people but the contrast just sat in the back of my mind throughout the anime. Ig a good example
to prove how he treated people was that how he acted toward the girl he saved from that skeleton, and the cook/adventure he saved from the
slime. Of course he needed help from the girl, but at the same time his treatment of the cook was a lot more callous imo. This is easily countered
though with Rentt's internal monologue when he learned more about the cook adventurer's debt. Then again, Rentt went ahead and signed that pact
that would force Sheila into slavery. If he was truly just a nice guy, and with what she told him, why didn't he just trust her without signing it and
just show her he's undead? Since I'm now stating what I didn't like about him, I didn't like how Rentt a lot of the time picked up on stuff where
there didn't seem to be any queues, such as the criminal merchant in episode 8, the ambush set in episode 6, and the fact he notices those guild
members in hiding. I think its fun when you can try to guess things in stories based on how certain characters act and whatnot, and I felt like with
how much Rentt knew and monologued it didn't leave much of anything for me to puzzle over. Also I don't understand what he was thinking in
leaving that girl in episode 2 alone. She's an adventurer, and to accept quests Rentt will have to go to the guild. Sooner or later they will come
across each other.

The Dungeons
* Originally in episode 1, it seemed like Rentt was limited to the Labyrinth of the Moon's Reflection. It was told he couldn't form a party with others
because no one was willing to team up with someone as weak as Rentt, so he couldn't go to the more advanced Labyrinth of the New Moon.
However with the cook adventurer in episode 3, the cook adventurer tells Rentt he was advised to go here by himself to gain experience, and Rentt
then thought to himself, "that's only if you're kinda strong". To be honest it kinds of bothers me that no one allegedly wanted to partner with Rentt.
In ep 05 the guild receptionist says "a lot of people learned to be an adventurer from you". Seems odd none would try to help him or let him come
every now and then to the better labyrinth. Rentt in episode 1 acted like most adventurers were poor but it sees easy enough for people to pick up
items that will pay for a few nights in town and whatnot.

The Mysterious Kidnapper
* It felt out of the blue to me and didn't mesh well how they just randomly decided that Rentt was the most likely suspect for the kidnappings of
adventurers. They simply called it the "incident" and " he was accused by adventurers" to being a kidnapper. He does have a shady look to him but
besides for his prowess there's nothing that should have made him a sole suspect for the kidnappings to the guild. You would think there would be
other jobs out there where people could become strong. After all, Lorraine didn't rank up the way adventurers normally do. She got to silver rank by
completing her studies to be a "Great Doctor". One could assume Lorraine has been teaching her "relative" on what an adventurer can expect. Hell,
they could assume he knew Rentt Faina and Rentt Faina had been giving Rentt Vivier tips and whatnot for a while.

* Anyways, Sheila, Lorraine, and Rentt resolve that to absolve Rentt from being considered a kidnapper, he is going to stay out of the labyrinth. I
think that decision makes no sense. If the guild has so many members, Sheila or another guild official should have just assigned someone to tail
Rentt everywhere, in which case going into the dungeon would be fine... although it would be weird for him to go in by himself and completely
destroy monsters so I guess that's the reason, separate from the kidnapping case. Anyways him finding shady quests outside of the guild I don't
think helped him resolve the situation at all. If Rentt leaves the town and no one gets kidnapped while he's gone, that doesn't change anything.
Some people would think that would make it more likely he was the kidnapper. So him leaving town I think is more suspicious than him going to the
labyrinth or taking on quests. Its not like the only quests are in the labyrinth anyways or outside of the town. But anyways he goes on that quest to
the lord of the lake, where there's girls disappearing. One would assume at the guild will sooner or later learn that there was an attempt to kidnap a
bunch of women and that a suspicious masked individual that fits the description of Rentt Vivier was there, altho ofc plot armor came to save the
day. Even if the villagers weren't willing to name or describe the adventurer, the villains are able to.

The Nun, the Rat and the Tarrasque
* Ep 9 tbh wasn't that bad, the main reason I didn't like it was the monster they called the tarrasque. I'm not really into mascot characters so the rat
was not an addition I liked, although its not exactly that big of a deal. I've been getting into Dungeons and Dragons (starting about June last year),
and one of the greatest and most infamous monsters is the tarrasque. The tarrasque though isn't a monster made originally from DND. Its origins
are from a French legend of a dragon fish hybrid that was slain by a saint. I learned this bit of trivia today while looking up stuff about flower
language (I'm thinking of creating a race of parasitic plants. Fun fact, the flower Baby's Breath represents Everlasting Love. It looks nothing like the
Dragonsblood Flower in this anime, which is kinda sad, it would have been cool random piece of trivia to stumble across). Anyways I guess a swamp
monster isn't too off the mark for the Tarrasque, although I imagine the creator of this anime should have known about the DnD's more infamous
Tarrasque so it kind of irks me they made it so easy to kill. Easy maybe isn't the right word, since most people can't use Divinity, but if anything this
Tarrasque is basically an overpowered Shedinja. The issue with the nun bugged me too, at least the part where "if she knew she was sick cause of
divinity she would abandon the orphanage and just wait for death". Wtf

At this point I'm just nitpicking lmao. Usually when I find myself at the stage where I'm hating on everything, its time to drop the anime.