Tengoku Daimakyou Episode 12 Discussion

FreezePeach said:
"2. From ep3 we know he's being overprotective to children, but if you look at other way, maybe he has some pedophiliac complex , thus he takes special care with children. We dont rly know him."
There is not a hint of it in anime. It is all you "looking the other way", ignoring known facts and inventing alternative reality.

Treyv0n said:
NAHHHHHHH this ep got me so fucked up, fuck Robin ong how tf can you rape the person who looks up to you and was searching years for you? This nigga needs to get a bullet in his head fr🫤🫤🫤😕

Radical_Orion said:
"You kids are so interesting"

rvdboom said:
An interesting addition of the anime, this sentence does not appear in the manga.

Xember said:
This show doesn't feel like the type to have a second season

sleekproject said:
well-written episode, still a lot of loose ends that should've been tied up already imo. is Robin the one responsible for transplanting Haruki's brain into Kiriko's body then ?

Endreoh said:
Ruined the anime.

Radical_Orion said:
There is. The way his henchmen also refer to the kids as "his kids" is also a hint of something that you'll get in a couple of chapters.
Not to mention how Robin keeps referring to Kiruko/Haruki as kids during that infamous rape scene ("You kids are so interesting")

Aversa said:
First things first as a men should never lay his hands on a woman if she doesn't want to, no is no.
But i should also that Kiruko shouldn't have taken a shower at a men's place she was way to trusting of Robin.
Haruki idolised him and as such didn't see his flaws which where clearly there i already thought he was an asshole from the previous episodes and this proves i was right.
There isn't anything that can justify Robins behaviour i hope he suffers in future episodes.

As for the kids a lot was happening it was chaos but the end proved it was day time meaning that the order of events with Kiruko and the students was happening at different times even tho the impression is giving that the where occuring at the same time.
My question here how much time difference, it could be days but it might be years.

MestreMoniz said:
A rape scene is always complicated to deal with.I hope they make a better adaptation than a manga, otherwise for me it will make the anime a lot worse

Bruh69XD said:
NOW THAT’S WHAT I CALL A MINDFUCK

CQLLIST said:
Literally my thoughts in the last 3-4 mins of the episode:
HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK.

Finally they adapted the disturbing part, I find myself overreacting to it while I was watching it, not in a bad way. Overall though, the mystery thickens yet again. And lastly, Fuck you Robin.

Ventus_S said:
Exactly.
If they request her to GO ALONE WITHOUT WEAPON, ofc she cant bring Maru nor her gun.

SentiOnikawa said:
Anyone who is like "oh, wow, this came out of nowhere" when a handful of episodes ago Kiruko said something along the lines of not liking Haruki spending so much time with Robin. She clearly knew something about the dude but didn't want to upset her brother. It's likely that Robin had raped someone in their town prior and because he was such a local idol, it was swept under the rug. If Kiruko found out despite that, of course she would warn her brother in a subtle way, but wouldn't really say anything specific.

That said, yeah, the scene is jarring af because all signs up to this point implied any misgivings were just red herrings. That, or it could turn out that Robin is actually the doctor and shenanigans happened. That wouldn't really absolve the scene of any discomfort, but it would at least make it more tolerable to know that the guy everyone suspected of being the piece of trash turned out to be a body-swapping piece of trash.

Also, for anyone trying to justify the scene as "Hiruko wanting it" or otherwise, I would suggest you do some light reading on sexual predators. It's a well-documented fact that predators will often behave in a manner that enables a victim to trust them. When they do spring their trap, the victim is in shock. This means that the brain is trying to connect dots that don't normally connect together because the behavior is so disconnected from what our minds are used to. Someone putting on a shallow front to scam us is obvious because our minds can pick apart small inconsistencies. But, someone who pretends to love and respect us long-term and hasn't displayed any noticeable inconsistencies? It's almost impossible to figure out how we got from point A to point B in that situation.

Hiruko is in shock and can't process it. Afterwards, they might relapse and convince themselves that they wanted it because the brain is trying to cope at that point. It needs to fall back on a line of reasoning that makes sense in that situation. "I didn't resist because I enjoyed it." It's easy to fall into that trap and adopt a behavior that promotes it. That doesn't preclude that Hiruko enjoyed it. It means as a way of dealing with the situation, her mind convinced itself that such was the case.

And anyone who sees rape in media and says "meh, it's a narrative device" is missing the point.Yes, it is a narrative device. It is also a means to convey information to the reader/viewer. In this context, something was off with Robin to the point that Kiruko tried to warn her brother. Now, we see that come full circle. Heck, Robin was just off in general from the get-go, yet we as the viewer couldn't really connect the dots. Nothing about him seemed inconsistent enough to figure it out. The scene basically presents why our guts were rumbling when Robin was on-screen. And once again, a predator isn't going to do anything that outright triggers alarm bells in someone's mind. Any inconsistencies are ticks and any odd behavior can be excused. It should be both shocking and extremely uncomfortable Kiruko and the audience.

I honestly think Heavenly Delusion has just done some amazing work in presenting its themes thus far. The idea that someone we are close to could be so deranged is a very real and scary concept on its own. If you read a bit into it, too, Kiruko's personality and who they think they are could be considered either a means for someone to handle trauma or even a subtle dialogue on transgenderism. I know the story is making it fairly obvious that Haruki is inside Kiruko's head, but it's still neat that however intentional or not the story isn't afraid to briefly touch on both those themes.

JoexySun said:
Watching the main character getting physically assaulted, humiliated and abused in the worst way possible is not supposed to be fun or exciting. It's utterly traumatic, maddening and comparable to Casca getting assaulted by her idol and master Griffith. If some audience lowered their score dramatically for this scene, I would understand it.

Yet the art direction and tone of this episode is overall outstanding.

Noir_Alchemist said:


You are righ, the director have My sympathy, he manage to take one of the worse escenarios i have read in a manga EVER, and as You mention jst as horrible as Casca issue and make it watchable. In themanga is more graphic and i was so angry cuz i like the manga SO much but i felt Mangaka used her female character for shock and make me disgusted