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| WTF they just brushed over the reunion!?!? I have been waiting for that moment for this entire season 😭 |
| Poor Arnheid, this is the outcome of a path of painful choices, and sadly it won't stop here. |
| No tomo malas decisiones, solo me gusta apoyar causas perdidas. Disfruté Mayoiga, Ou-sama Game, Evil or Live, Mirai Nikki, Big Order, Arifureta, Ex-Arm, Tesla Note, Shuumatsu no Harem y Platinum End nope les falle con esa, lo siento pero todos tenemos nuestros límites. Así de jodido es mi gusto en anime, ¡Y estoy pinche orgulloso de ello!  |
| Such a coincidence Thorfinn, I've liked Snake ever since the beginning too. |
| "cant wait to see how thorfinn reacts to see someone from past that is coming to get him". No scene here is a slave girl that show is not about. |
| Recommended --> Bleach/Claymore/Overlord/Death Note/Steins Gate |
ogking31 said: No, I did not miss any such point. What you need to understand is that not everyone who understands intellectually the purpose or importance of a particular character or subplot of a series and its thematic relevance actually resonates with it emotionally or cares or prefers the story to be told in such a way. And it's not true or applicable in my case either. You can understand full well why something was done and why a decision in the writing was made to use what on the surface appears to be a minor character or something diversionary as a symbol or part of a message for driving home the story's broader message and ideas. It still doesn't have to necessarily be what you want to actually see. Either see at all or see occupy the time and space that it did. WatchTillTandava said: The narrative is clearly not about "caring about" certain character but literally rather thinking what the tragedy is in general and this goes to any character. If you saw Gardar's subplot as a means to care for Gardar then you missed the whole point of the narrative. It comes down in my case to an aversion toward really caring for the Gardar character and, in general, never being a fan in any series in switching focus midway or at any random point to place heavy central focus on a new side or short-lived character we were just introduced to one or two or three episodes before. There are many different ways to tell stories and relay themes and ideas. I've commented about this on discussions about some other series which do similar things. So far Vinland Saga hasn't been nearly as egregious as some of those other past examples I've encountered, as this patch of a few episodes was the first time I felt that way and think it was done at all. Everyone has preferences for how they'd rather a story be told. I mostly like sticking with the same main characters in focus, even if gradually expanding and filling out the cast with others who will be long-lasting additions (like obviously every character in the story who is a main recurring one and wasn't introduced in episode one, like Canute, Einar, etc.). It's easy to assume that someone who doesn't like something or view it the same way you do just simply doesn't understand it, but this is lazy thinking. |
WatchTillTandavaMay 9, 2023 7:13 PM
| Rated 5 stars because she deserved it. God bless Ketil who did nothing wrong. |
demonofmirkwood said: The only saving grace in that aspect for me, of the reunion being offscreen - if it indeed remains the case in future episodes and there are no flashbacks depicting is - is that for some reason I got the inkling that when and if it did happen later this season or at any point that it might not be a focal point. I was trying to think of why I might have thought that way and just had that weird gut feeling, and I think it's because for whatever reason, thinking back to season one, it seems like there was much more of a buildup and anticipation toward it. Maybe they felt that the second reunion wasn't as important or wouldn't carry as much weight and be as impactful as the first? Even though a lot of time has passed again (I believe Thorfinn was 17 years-old in the ending episodes of season one when he last saw Leif. How old is he now? How many years passed?), the change from the early episodes of season one when he was six years-old and first separated from Leif when Thors was killed by Askeladd's crew to then (the end of season one) felt more radical than then to now. "cant wait to see how thorfinn reacts to see someone from past that is coming to get him". No scene here is a slave girl that show is not about. Maybe because even though Thorfinn was still a very different person at the end of season one to now and still lost in his burning rage, Leif never actually gave up on him and was shown then as being patient, understanding, and accepting, so not much would have changed in the attitude from his side. |
| Nice episode, I loved that beating, I thought Ketil was going to be soft as he was with the kids but I was totally wrong, such a masterclass of a beating, these last episodes of the season look very promising, 7.8/10. |
SSGHOKAGE said: SHEEEEEEESH. She got her ass WHOOPED. RIP to the child, that child definitely ain't surviving that. "Was there a better way to handle this?" Yes Thorrfin, maybe y'all shouldn't have sided with the runaway slave who killed multiple people. Just a thought Now Arnheid getting her ass beat like Eren Yeager got whooped by Levi. Or Subaru got whooped by Julius. She could consider herself lucky. The guest were about to run through her like they do in Redo of Healer or Kuroinu. Dude your opinion.........is completely correct! How about seeing your husband has completely lost it and not trying to escape with him. How about not helping her escape with her nearly dead husband......what is the point of leaving when he's 2 breaths away from death! Also I love how we had a whole 2 season of Leif Erikson trying to find Thorfinn, waiting for them to reunite just to be skipped over and have one fucking scene with them standing next to each other. This season sucks ass, I get it... slavery bad m'kay |
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Baniished said: WTF they just brushed over the reunion!?!? I have been waiting for that moment for this entire season 😭 yeah the actual story get a back seat cause we have to learn that.....SLAVERY BAD! WAR BAD! |
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| My post got deleted because of the rollback. Also posted in a few other threads about people complaining that there wasn't really shown a meeting between Leif and Thorfinn. Keeping it quick and short this time: I think Arnheid deserved to die. (Though I had expected it to happen in another way. Maybe Thorgil pressing for the death penalty.) Glad to see that Snake is alive. But with her having helped to free Gardar (who then killed some of Snakes men) ... really did not like her. Yes she had a bad past. And Gardar as well. But Snake and his guys ... also have a history I guess. (Though that has not really been shown. Only hinted at - for Snake.) I liked how he cared about his guys. Ketil ... really sad. But with how nice he was before ... no way to show those changes in a "normal" way. He clearly went crazy since they left on boat. Seems like he stayed in that keg the whole time. Liked the episode 18.5 (the 1 min vid on YouTube) where he motivated his pepole to fight. Looking forward to the next episode. I hope Thorgil will be seen in action as well. (Maybe vs Floki lol. I like Floki's face and hair - the rectangle shape.) For a meeting between Thorfinn and Leif there probably was not enough time. They would have had to end the episode at some point in between the talks maybe. I totally can see (if there was a meeting in the manga with a bit more scenes) them starting the next episodes with this ... then Pater (or someone else) coming to inform them of Arnheid. Then skipping to Arnheid quickly ... (this taking 1 third to 1 half of the episode) ... then moving to battle preparations with Canute arriving of end of the following episode. But we'll see. |
| Do not forget that all this happens because Einar is probably one of the biggest cuckcold in the history of manganime. |
| And with that, any chance of me rooting for Ketil's farm just evaporated into thin air, poof. To think what that guard was doing to Arnheid was probably better than what he did afterwards. No way the baby is going to survive that. Or Arnheid, for that matter. Still like Snake though. |
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| oh my goodness graciousness! Ketil what have you done to poor Arnheid! tsk tsk tsk oh man! 5/5. |
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| Man, Simpnar is annoying as Ketils younger son. |
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
ogking31 said: I think a phrase like "coping mechanism", except as a joke, should probably be reserved for more serious situations in life than someone merely having a preference for how a fictional story and series is told. It's a preference. It doesn't make me ignorant or mean I don't understand something that either you/someone else does or that the author is seeking to convey. It just means it's not my cup of tea. Vinland Saga is in my Top 50 anime series I've seen. I don't dislike the show at all. There are hardly any series I've seen in my entire life, anime or otherwise, including even many of my top favorite and highest rated ones, where I don't like some episodes more than others; even indeed in serials. I said that that small set of episodes or mini-arc were my least favorite out of the entire series so far since episode one of the series as a whole began. It doesn't mean I thought they were horrendous compared to most television or even most anime, or that they irreparably harmed Vinland Saga as a series for me or something. It's the natural ebb and flow. Most series have highs and lows unique to an individual viewer's experience and preferences. WatchTillTandava said: This called coping mechanism... The author TELLS you what the story is about and the fact you had to mess around on what they're trying to say LITERALLY makes you miss the point of the whole story. A character doesn't need to be longer or as long as canute for it to send a narrative story. Everyone has preferences for how they'd rather a story be told. I mostly like sticking with the same main characters in focus, even if gradually expanding and filling out the cast with others who will be long-lasting additions (like obviously every character in the story who is a main recurring one and wasn't introduced in episode one, like Canute, Einar, etc.). It's easy to assume that someone who doesn't like something or view it the same way you do just simply doesn't understand it, but this is lazy thinking. This insistence that everyone love the same things or must experience everything in the same way otherwise they're just stupid or ignorant and "don't get it" is what creates an obnoxious and divisive atmosphere among the viewerships and fandom of any given series. This is a discussion board, both for positive and negative feedback; not intended to be a universal-praise board. Again, someone can understand a message in its entirety every bit as much as you do and disagree with it. Or, in this case, not disagree with it, but not find its delivery to their liking in terms of being compelling or generating interest to the same extent as other aspects of the series. In my case, it's not the message as a whole throughout the series, but one particular manifestation or example of it. I can't explain it any more clearly. |
ZXEAN said: I phrased it wrong. I meant to say that "Ketil being a master." And no I don't own any slaves. I apologize for my weird phrasing. Naroomaki said: Wtf are you talking lol. It's seems you support slavery. "As a master, he as a right to punish and even kill his slave" Seriously dude 😞 Do you own a slave or what ? Keeping a slave is a crime on it's own. Ketil has finally lost it. He snapped. And for fair reasons. Ketil being a master, he as a right to punish and even kill his slave. But what he did to Arnheid was brutal and harsh. But there was no denying the fact that she kinda deserved it. She took Ketil's warmth and care for granted and tried to escape. It was still painful to watch as Arnheid was pregnant with Ketil's baby. I'm just glad that Snake came to stop Ketil from going even further. He really came in at the perfect time. Thorfinn's reunion with Leif was very anti-climatic. And Einar sobbing and showing concern for Arnheid was really sweet. This man really cares for her. However, my point still stands tho. It was common during that time period to own slaves. Seeing slave masters punish their slaves is not out of the norm back then. Ketil has every right to punish Arnheid because he technically owns her and he provided her food, a place to live, and warmth before she escaped. Ketil truly cared for Arnheid but being the slave master that he is, he had to throw away his emotions for the sake of his pride. |
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| Was really looking to the moment where leif was finally going to meet thorfin Kinda disappointed ....... |
SSGHOKAGE said: "Yes Thorrfin, maybe y'all shouldn't have sided with the runaway slave who killed multiple people."SHEEEEEEESH. She got her ass WHOOPED. RIP to the child, that child definitely ain't surviving that. "Was there a better way to handle this?" Yes Thorrfin, maybe y'all shouldn't have sided with the runaway slave who killed multiple people. Just a thought Now Arnheid getting her ass beat like Eren Yeager got whooped by Levi. Or Subaru got whooped by Julius. She could consider herself lucky. The guest were about to run through her like they do in Redo of Healer or Kuroinu. ..................I think slavery is worse than 5 idiots being murked. |
| “A lesson without pain is meaningless. That's because no one can gain without sacrificing something. But by enduring that pain and overcoming it, he shall obtain a powerful, unmatched heart. A fullmetal heart.” I like 95% of the anime I watch. Fashies and the like can go fuck themselves. |
TheOtherJN said: "Ketil" and "was justified" don't belong in the same sentence together without "not" being between "was" and "justified". What a messy, messy, messy episode. In a good way. Ketil and Arnheid all have justified reasons for doing what they did, but also justified consequences. IMO the proper solution was for her to take a beating but not one within an inch of her life, and for her to at least try to explain herself, or for Ketil to hear her out. He was RIGHTFULLY pissed off, despite what others might say. His effort and graciousness being trampled on and betrayed, and having FIVE of his guards killed, especially when a dire situation is arising where he'll need them. Plus his slaves being the ones to aid and enable the death of those men, and causing turmoil on the farm. HOWEVER Arnheid did what was right in the previous episode, which was sticking by her husband and trying to get closure. Her not speaking up as a slave against her master was understandable, but of course in his eyes he's left in the dark as to her motives, so he naturally assumes the worst. The biggest problem here is the lack of communication. And I think maybe that's what Thorfinn would soon come to understand, that understanding and diplomacy should come first before violence as a last resort. Askeladd was great at de-escalating situations ironically enough in spite of all the horrific shit he did. He could combine Thors' and Askeladd's wisdoms into one where he does his best to de-escalate people and seek greater understanding, and when that fails he resorts to non-lethal violence as an enforcer. |
| “A lesson without pain is meaningless. That's because no one can gain without sacrificing something. But by enduring that pain and overcoming it, he shall obtain a powerful, unmatched heart. A fullmetal heart.” I like 95% of the anime I watch. Fashies and the like can go fuck themselves. |
Naroomaki said: Anime fans try not to justify slavery challenge:Ketil has finally lost it. He snapped. And for fair reasons. Ketil being a master, he as a right to punish and even kill his slave. But what he did to Arnheid was brutal and harsh. But there was no denying the fact that she kinda deserved it. She took Ketil's warmth and care for granted and tried to escape. It was still painful to watch as Arnheid was pregnant with Ketil's baby. I'm just glad that Snake came to stop Ketil from going even further. He really came in at the perfect time. Thorfinn's reunion with Leif was very anti-climatic. And Einar sobbing and showing concern for Arnheid was really sweet. This man really cares for her. Level: IMPOSSIBLE |
| “A lesson without pain is meaningless. That's because no one can gain without sacrificing something. But by enduring that pain and overcoming it, he shall obtain a powerful, unmatched heart. A fullmetal heart.” I like 95% of the anime I watch. Fashies and the like can go fuck themselves. |
StallionXD said: Okay, dude, there's enough edge here to cut a rock in half. You sure you wanna go down this route?After that fkng trash that was the Gardar arc this is back on track!!! Arnheid deserved it, she should have been raped by the horses or something lol, Ketil made a mistake? Well, what do you people expect, she told him she is pregnant after trying to escape with her lover, of course he wasn't going to believe that, he was angry as fuck, and just like Snake said, he can kill his slaves if he wants, that's how that works, people saying he sucks now for what he did are dumbasses that just don't wanna understand how society worked in the past yet they try to enjoy and defend this story, and that's hilarious. And Snake isn't dead? WHAT A FKNG JOKE, I KNEW IT, dumb ass Gardar wasn't even able to kill him, it is clear now that Gardar didn't accomplished or added anything to this plot other than fkng filler, they could have go with "Arnheid tried to escape and be free because she didn't want his son to have a slave for a mother" and the outcome was going to be the same lmaooo And Leif finally found Thorfinn but we had their reunion skipped because, again, of fkng Arnheid, so yeah, I'm serious, she should've been raped by horses. Anyways, can't wait for the next episode! |
| “A lesson without pain is meaningless. That's because no one can gain without sacrificing something. But by enduring that pain and overcoming it, he shall obtain a powerful, unmatched heart. A fullmetal heart.” I like 95% of the anime I watch. Fashies and the like can go fuck themselves. |
Bellana2003 said: Slavery is slavery, at the end of the day. There is no such thing as a "good" or "moral" slaveowner. Slavery is a brutal, degenerate system.Well, this was not easy to watch for me. I really liked Ketil, he was a litlle pillar of humanity in contrast to other slave owners. I think he was under too much stress and needed to take it out on someone. Unfortunately, Arnheid was the only person he really trusted and her attempt to escape was the last straw. Somewhere I'm trying to understand his motivations, but beating a heavily pregnant woman nearly to death is something I just can't forgive. I don't know if I'll ever like Ketil again, but Vinland Saga has shown me so many times that not all people are all good or all bad. I'm excited to see what the next episodes have in store for us. |
| “A lesson without pain is meaningless. That's because no one can gain without sacrificing something. But by enduring that pain and overcoming it, he shall obtain a powerful, unmatched heart. A fullmetal heart.” I like 95% of the anime I watch. Fashies and the like can go fuck themselves. |
KinjiKido said: Thorfinn's goal is LITERALLY about to be stated in a few episodes.off topic a little bit. I haven't watch season 2 but I have one question on my head that I felt not worth it to watch. every anime must have a story where character have an ultimate goal like Luffy in OP and Naruto in Naruto. Thorfinn goal is well defeat or kill the guy who killed his father. but at the end of season 1 well his goal was ultimate lost forever. with that I felt there is no point in continue seeing a pointless adventure anymore. How heartless the author is? without that goal I see no ultimate ending for the series. the more story the author wrote the more money he gets. yeah I know. don't get the wrong idea. I took a I took a glim / a peek at episode 16 and I know how good it is. |
| “A lesson without pain is meaningless. That's because no one can gain without sacrificing something. But by enduring that pain and overcoming it, he shall obtain a powerful, unmatched heart. A fullmetal heart.” I like 95% of the anime I watch. Fashies and the like can go fuck themselves. |
RBTHE1ST said: Slaves literally cannot choose whether or not to consent. The dude r@ped her. I love the way you explained this.Zeshiba said: the show literally spoon-feeds you the fact that there is nothing called a good master slave owner, it is not even subtle. ketil is classic example of cowards who act all nice while getting privilege but show their true face as soon as things go south. and it is more surprising how it took many people so long to understand that he is trash when he has been a r@pist from the start.I still think Ketil was overall a good master, especially in his time period wherein masters would do way worse things to their slaves. Ketil was overall merciful, albeit a coward majority of the time. It just so happened that he was already under so much stress and the news about Arnheid added on top just made him snap. He was a good-hearted master for 17 episodes and just 1 episode of his emotions getting the best of him. What he did was of course wrong, I'm not going to defend that, but in that specific time period, other masters would have legit destroyed Arnheid. |
| “A lesson without pain is meaningless. That's because no one can gain without sacrificing something. But by enduring that pain and overcoming it, he shall obtain a powerful, unmatched heart. A fullmetal heart.” I like 95% of the anime I watch. Fashies and the like can go fuck themselves. |
yveltalkyogre said: She was pregnant with his kid, lol. Fuck off and stop defending slaveowners.SohEasy said: Just wanted to point out that if Ketil did worse to anyone else, nobody would bat an eye. But since he did that to a woman, and one that people seem to like a lot, everyone is acting like he is the worst human being alive. Plus, let's not forget that in "normal" circunstances, her actions would have resulted in FAR worse consequences. Anyways, she is a very unlucky person. Most of the bad things that happened to her weren't her fault. Such a tragic story. one hundred percent agreed. |
| “A lesson without pain is meaningless. That's because no one can gain without sacrificing something. But by enduring that pain and overcoming it, he shall obtain a powerful, unmatched heart. A fullmetal heart.” I like 95% of the anime I watch. Fashies and the like can go fuck themselves. |
Collins89 said: This is the central point of the entire show.Baniished said: WTF they just brushed over the reunion!?!? I have been waiting for that moment for this entire season 😭 yeah the actual story get a back seat cause we have to learn that.....SLAVERY BAD! WAR BAD! |
| “A lesson without pain is meaningless. That's because no one can gain without sacrificing something. But by enduring that pain and overcoming it, he shall obtain a powerful, unmatched heart. A fullmetal heart.” I like 95% of the anime I watch. Fashies and the like can go fuck themselves. |
| It's quite surprising to see him so angry about her leaving, and the showdown is finally coming, the farm vs the king. |
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| Yeah even ketil is ready to fight.I wonder what will happen next episode. |
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| That old geezer has some screw loose, didn't even show mercy to a woman bearing a child. Didn't expect in the slightest that he would do such a thing. But the cliffhanger at the end was just... can't wait for the next episode. |
ogking31 said: Okay, but what is unclear is what exactly do you think I'm not understanding here? Because I don't think anything flew over my head. I simply wasn't a fan of the way it was told in some aspects, particularly relating to the focus on a short-lived side character even regardless of its connection to the greater thematic whole. This isn't unique to Vinland Saga as I'm not a fan of that typically in other series as well (it's the reason why I actually dropped some series, in fact). WatchTillTandava said: Everyone can have a preference. that doesn't make you understand the narrative. Your reasoning to your argument can easily be debunked by how the story is being told. But your only argument is"I didn't like it". well that's your choice, just like how a lot of people say season 1 is better. It's a preference. It doesn't make me ignorant or mean I don't understand something that either you/someone else does or that the author is seeking to convey. It just means it's not my cup of tea. Vinland Saga is in my Top 50 anime series I've seen. I don't dislike the show at all. There are hardly any series I've seen in my entire life, anime or otherwise, including even many of my top favorite and highest rated ones, where I don't like some episodes more than others; even indeed in serials. I said that that small set of episodes or mini-arc were my least favorite out of the entire series so far since episode one of the series as a whole began. It doesn't mean I thought they were horrendous compared to most television or even most anime, or that they irreparably harmed Vinland Saga as a series for me or something. It's the natural ebb and flow. Most series have highs and lows unique to an individual viewer's experience and preferences |
| Ketil is out of himself!!! Arnheid ended badly!!! kekeke A pity not to watch the meeting after so much time! :/ |
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