Attack on Titan
Piromysl said: There are no mental gymnastics you can possibly do to justify global genocide. Preventing the genocide of your own country is one. The world was basically agreeing to genocide Paradis on Willie Tybur speach before Eren even attacked. Would you just let all your family, friends, children get killed ? Floch is a realist and he's doing the right thing, even if it's unpopular. a true hero. |
Furyo_enjoyer said: Piromysl said: There are no mental gymnastics you can possibly do to justify global genocide. Preventing the genocide of your own country is one. The world was basically agreeing to genocide Paradis on Willie Tybur speach before Eren even attacked. Would you just let all your family, friends, children get killed ? Floch is a realist and he's doing the right thing, even if it's unpopular. a true hero. I bet the nations who never wronged Paradis or even know of it's existence and still will be wiped out by Rumbling would totally think this excuse as valid. |
PiromyslMar 8, 2023 3:01 AM
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LucisCael said: I just don't think that he's a good character, his development was off-screen so in S4 he just suddenly came out of nowhere, acting like a douchebag and having a superiority complex, everything felt very sudden, just bad first impressions overall, and his unlikable personality doesn't help either, he literally either kills or beats up anyone who disagrees with him, I can't understand why people like him that much to be honest. He's right on literally everything he says. Yes they should have saved Erwin, and it showed with how useless Armin is since the timeskip. It's facts Yes, Paradis will probably be destroyed and Eldians killed if they stop the rambling. He was initially naive and joined the Survey corps thinking he can contribute to saving the world. But when he saw Erwin's last orders (Erwin sacrificing all the soldiers ), he understood that you have to do "evil" things to save Eldia. He became a "devil" like Erwin to save Eldia. Because nobody was doing it, certainly not the naive Hanje and Armin |
Piromysl said: Furyo_enjoyer said: Preventing the genocide of your own country is one. The world was basically agreeing to genocide Paradis on Willie Tybur speach before Eren even attacked. Would you just let all your family, friends, children get killed ? Floch is a realist and he's doing the right thing, even if it's unpopular. a true hero. I bet the nations who never wronged Paradis or even knew of it's existence would totally think this excuse as valid. It's heavily implied that most nations leaders were present in that meeting and they were all cheering to Willy's speech.... And as we saw, negotiating for peace was impossible (as attempted by Hange and co) Of course genocide is horrible and most people in the rest of the world are innocent, and so are Eldians in Paradis. That's not the point. It's about survival. Do you just let the rest of the world genocide your country, or do it beforehand as horrible as it is to guarentee the survival of your people ? |
Furyo_enjoyer said: Piromysl said: I bet the nations who never wronged Paradis or even knew of it's existence would totally think this excuse as valid. It's heavily implied that most nations leaders were present in that meeting and they were all cheering to Willy's speech.... And as we saw, negotiating for peace was impossible (as attempted by Hange and co) Of course genocide is horrible and most people in the rest of the world are innocent, and so are Eldians in Paradis. That's not the point. It's about survival. Do you just let the rest of the world genocide your country, or do it beforehand as horrible as it is to guarentee the survival of your people ? As I said before, there are no mental gymnastics you can do to justify or rationalize what Eren is doing. Even if there would be some cheering world leaders present during the speech, that doesn't make them complicit in any way. You may make an argument, that Marley had it coming, but Eren wants to destroy everything outside Paradis, not just Marley. Azumabito and Onyankopon's nation will be destroyed and you are trying to rationalize that. There is no excuse for that. Case closed. |
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Piromysl said: Furyo_enjoyer said: It's heavily implied that most nations leaders were present in that meeting and they were all cheering to Willy's speech.... And as we saw, negotiating for peace was impossible (as attempted by Hange and co) Of course genocide is horrible and most people in the rest of the world are innocent, and so are Eldians in Paradis. That's not the point. It's about survival. Do you just let the rest of the world genocide your country, or do it beforehand as horrible as it is to guarentee the survival of your people ? As I said before, there are no mental gymnastics you can do to justify or rationalize what Eren is doing. Even if there would be some cheering world leaders present during the speech, that doesn't make them complicit in any way. You may make an argument, that Marley had it coming, but Eren wants to destroy everything outside Paradis, not just Marley. Azumabito and Onyankopon's nation will be destroyed and you are trying to rationalize that. There is no excuse for that. Case closed. didnt Marley already genocided almost all of oyanko's people? |
RaidenSteiner said: I don't think Onyako ever said anything like that and all we know about his homeland is from his mouth. He mentioned, that Marley is occupying it tho, which is the reason he sided with Zeke.Piromysl said: As I said before, there are no mental gymnastics you can do to justify or rationalize what Eren is doing. Even if there would be some cheering world leaders present during the speech, that doesn't make them complicit in any way. You may make an argument, that Marley had it coming, but Eren wants to destroy everything outside Paradis, not just Marley. Azumabito and Onyankopon's nation will be destroyed and you are trying to rationalize that. There is no excuse for that. Case closed. didnt Marley already genocided almost all of oyanko's people? |
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Luigi_Luigi said: Pretty wise MeVike said: Bro, did that wisdom come from experience or did you read a book or something? I need that knowledge in my lifeSee that’s the thing. You’re asking something that ppl are gonna give pointless answers to. Just like you said, there’s plenty of ppl who simply like or dislike a character for absolutely no reason. They just do. I don’t think you need a reason to like/dislike them either. But even if they give you reasons, you’re probably gonna disagree with such reasons. Most likely though you’re gonna end up in a debate with some random person and insults will be thrown in. Just trying to give you advice on that as it’s happened to me a lot, so I just stopped bothering ig. But you do you. Experience, lots and lots of experience. |
 𝘚𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘵𝘪𝘮𝘦𝘴 𝘸𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘐 𝘤𝘭𝘰𝘴𝘦 𝘮𝘺 𝘦𝘺𝘦𝘴, 𝘐 𝘤𝘢𝘯’𝘵 𝘴𝘦𝘦. |
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| Hahahaha, LMFAO. Just wanted to say that this Piromysl guy is probably the sole person in the world that still doesn't get attack on titan. Dude got his head locked in a walnut sized coffin. |
Vernity said: i think hes just a trollHahahaha, LMFAO. Just wanted to say that this Piromysl guy is probably the sole person in the world that still doesn't get attack on titan. Dude got his head locked in a walnut sized coffin. |
KittehburR said: MeVike said: See that’s the thing. You’re asking something that ppl are gonna give pointless answers to. Just like you said, there’s plenty of ppl who simply like or dislike a character for absolutely no reason. They just do. I don’t think you need a reason to like/dislike them either. But even if they give you reasons, you’re probably gonna disagree with such reasons. Most likely though you’re gonna end up in a debate with some random person and insults will be thrown in. Just trying to give you advice on that as it’s happened to me a lot, so I just stopped bothering ig. But you do you. You convince yourself that you've stopped, but here you in a comment thread commenting your opinion despite telling yourself it's pointless. And I say that as someone who has told themself the same thing :v lol. I think people start a discussion to get alternative input on the topic, out of curiosity and interest, and not so much as to achieve anything. Though it is a good way at refining one's own perception on the topic and how to better articulate that perspective in a more understandable format. Why we do that here, concerning this specific topic, who knows really. Yet here we are. Lol. Glad to see you healthy. I’m pretty sure I know myself well enough, but hey, if you think that’s the case… then it is what it is. Nothing I can do about your opinion , so I’ll just say cheers! |
𝘚𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘵𝘪𝘮𝘦𝘴 𝘸𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘐 𝘤𝘭𝘰𝘴𝘦 𝘮𝘺 𝘦𝘺𝘦𝘴, 𝘐 𝘤𝘢𝘯’𝘵 𝘴𝘦𝘦. |
KittehburR said: Piromysl said: "I support Eren, but I don't support genocide". "Nobody is justifying genocide." then "I'm not against it." Read that again. Slowly. And choose one. Seriously, did you even read what you wrote before posting? What is great about this predicament the show presents to us is this discussion here. The world wants to commit genocide on the eldians, and in response, the eldians commit genocide against them. Your argument is that genocide is wrong, and you can't support Eren without supporting genocide, because Eren is genocidal. But on that same note, you can't support the world either, as the world is genocidal. If you can't tolerate genocide or genocidal psychopaths, what do you do? What is your answer? Do you just consider yourself a martyr and sit idly by to let them kill you and your family and each other? Do you kill one side to save the other? Either way you've committed genocide directly or indirectly, by merely tolerating it and allowing it take place. You can't justify genocide? Then how does one justify living? And I think that realization is the whole point of the second half of the latest movie. Sinners. The realization that we are all sinners, guilty of the same sin that produces the same results. That one sides hatred is what creates the monster that turns that hatred back on itself. It wasn't ever about justification. The attempt of unjust creatures proclaiming justice in itself is unjust. Realizing that seems to be the overarching theme of the series. Not really sure who are you arguing with here, because I've never said it's black and white situation lol For two years straight I've been consistently saying, that you can't say who is right and who is wrong in this situation, because situation escalated too far and it can't be resolved with dialogue. We are supposed to understand why Eren is doing what he is doing, not support him. But there are people who are unironically saying that he is doing nothing evil, which is just wrong. |
PiromyslMar 22, 2023 12:26 AM
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| most people dislike characters who are actually smart, they like dumb characters like connie or hot chicks like annie, unfortunately floch is neither. there's also this propaganda they learned that killing is bad and because they see floch being so open about it they come to hate him even though the alliance are killers too but you have to feel sad for them because you see them hurting. I blame isayama for mind controlling the weak audience who can't think for themselves, he's literally telling us "hate floch! like the alliance!" even though they are the same at their core. Floch never killed civilians, he just didn't care about the outside world whereas the alliance doesn't care about Paradis |
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| I think Floch is a great character, which is different from liking him as a person. lol |
| Who are you and why do you show your hostility towards a complete stranger whom you've not once spoken with before. Are you seriously asking to get blocked? Well, if that's what your intent is; to tempt me into throwing hands with someone as lowly and insignificant as you, then i may grant your wish provided you articulate yourself a bit better when trying to spite a person of my wavelength. |
| Floch was a real ride-or-die homie, huge respect. |
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| He made Armin cry at the awards ceremony and since this is just a slightly edgier Fairy Tail, only bad guys make the hero's nakama cry. |
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| he is a cowardly, powerless person who becomes emboldened by radicalism and nationalism kids who have no part in the way of the world do not deserve to meet a suffering end—knowing this, eren is devastated by what he feels he has to do to protect paradis floch revels in it, he feels empowered by committing horrendous acts against others indiscriminately and is an example of the perpetual cycle of hate I’ll never understand the comparison to erwin as they are such different characters that represent different things the necessary horror Erwin caused has exhausted him by the end of his life the unnecessary horror floch has caused further energises him and his resolve Floch Forster is the literal living metaphor of someone lost in the forest that sasha’s dad referenced in an earlier episode it’s not a weird opinion to dislike him he’s an important character and an awful person but also a product of his environment and personal trauma so I kind of feel bad for him as much as I don’t like him he was weak and found strength in making a grey world black and white there are a lot of flochs in the world |
JessicaKari said: Floch got a lot of rizz nglhe is a cowardly, powerless person who becomes emboldened by radicalism and nationalism kids who have no part in the way of the world do not deserve to meet a suffering end—knowing this, eren is devastated by what he feels he has to do to protect paradis floch revels in it, he feels empowered by committing horrendous acts against others indiscriminately and is an example of the perpetual cycle of hate I’ll never understand the comparison to erwin as they are such different characters that represent different things the necessary horror Erwin caused has exhausted him by the end of his life the unnecessary horror floch has caused further energises him and his resolve Floch Forster is the literal living metaphor of someone lost in the forest that sasha’s dad referenced in an earlier episode it’s not a weird opinion to dislike him he’s an important character and an awful person but also a product of his environment and personal trauma so I kind of feel bad for him as much as I don’t like him he was weak and found strength in making a grey world black and white there are a lot of flochs in the world |
RaidenSteiner said: JessicaKari said: Floch got a lot of rizz nglhe is a cowardly, powerless person who becomes emboldened by radicalism and nationalism kids who have no part in the way of the world do not deserve to meet a suffering end—knowing this, eren is devastated by what he feels he has to do to protect paradis floch revels in it, he feels empowered by committing horrendous acts against others indiscriminately and is an example of the perpetual cycle of hate I’ll never understand the comparison to erwin as they are such different characters that represent different things the necessary horror Erwin caused has exhausted him by the end of his life the unnecessary horror floch has caused further energises him and his resolve Floch Forster is the literal living metaphor of someone lost in the forest that sasha’s dad referenced in an earlier episode it’s not a weird opinion to dislike him he’s an important character and an awful person but also a product of his environment and personal trauma so I kind of feel bad for him as much as I don’t like him he was weak and found strength in making a grey world black and white there are a lot of flochs in the world lol you was feelin him? to each their own I’m sure other people felt rizzed up too haha |
monder_Killer17 said: Hate to break it to you but he just followed Eren's orders more or lessRaidenSteiner said: Because of the way he made use of Eren’s name to do shit with the military, completely dishonouring the name of a guy who only wants to protect what he loves. This piece of shit plays with everybody and nearly shoot innocent people. He also gave the wine to the soldiers, that made that many great people got turned into titans. Glad he’s dead by now.I mean , i dont really understood the hate for this character, he just wants to protect his homeland, even his enemies like Hange thinks he's doing the right thing, so where does this massive hate come from?! Also Hange said that Genocide is not a solution. |
Piromysl said: Truly, there has to be a better way to accomplish things than Eren's choice. Shulamis said: The situation was either "kill or be killed" for the people in Paradis. It's thanks to Marley and its propaganda, that most of the people in the "world", whenever they think of Eldia, they think of "the devils"; let's not forget who were the ones sending, for over plus one hundred of years, man-eating Titans into the Paradis Island to basically "erase" the Eldians. Marley, and to a less extent the other nations as seen in "Declaration of War", was actively trying to erradicate a race of "innocent" people that were no longer part of the "deadly and man-killer Eldian Empire" anymore-they were a bunch of people, just chilling on their Island living unknowingly there even was a world beyond the Walls, thanks to King Karl Fritz and the Founding Titan powers. But eh, because we only see Eren giving Marley and the rest what they gave Paradis for over 100 years, he is the goddamn Devil himself, and all that he cares is genocide, right? And just because Mr. Floch Foster is defending his own Nation and People, just as Marley and everyone else does, he's seen as a freaking Fascist! Let's clearly NOT remember the beginning of S4, where Marley were attacking and killing people of another Nation to just conquer its LAND, even using the Armoured Titan and a bunch of Pure Titans in the process... Yeah, Floch, the reincarnation of the Mr. Toothbrush Moustache! And even if Eren went with the Armin-way of doing the "Rumbling", they'd "un-arm" Marley and most of the nations in the world...which would basically lead to kill people, just to proctect themselves from the world; not to mention that "leaving the other nations alive" would, eventually, end up in a War to, then again, "kill all the Eldians" because of FEAR for a possible "Rumbling" that could kill everyone, just as Eren planned, and being the main reason of why Marley kept actively trying to get rid of Eldians, whereas by sending Titans to Paradis, or the whole "Warriors" Operation that was to retake the Founding Titan. Heck, even the Marleyans at the Fort Salta acknowledged that the whole Rumbling situation was their own fault, that they were the responsibles for creating such hate against Eldians-making it a pretty huge snowball that resulted in a mass-killing situation, for both of the sides. There are no mental gymnastics you can possibly do to justify global genocide. One that I can think of is global suppression (there's probably a better way to put this). Simply, crush all opposition, take their weapons and bring them down to a state where they could never oppose Eldians, and crush mercilessly every future rebellion. The rest of the world supposedly would always hate them, so Eldia can either declaw or massacre them. I think that the first option makes more sense because if left completely alone, Eldians would eventually start infighting. |
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| There was practically 0 chance for peace in aot setting. They wanted to wipe out the eldians so either kill or be killed. It is war so they are nor murderers. So floch is a true patriot |
WilfredJohnson said: Mikasa is the reason why Floch died and she is an actual boring lifeless carpet with no personnaity nor logical motivation behind her actions.He’s the reason hange died and he’s a complete prick |
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Because Floch is an obstinate, ultra-radical tribalist, people like him were most often responsible for the worst massacres in human history, so it's perfectly fine to despise that kind of mentality. |
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MrHouse02 said: so you would just let your enemies destroy everthing that you love? your whole civilization? family and friends? watch your wife and daughters possible getting r*ped in front of you just so you cant "be evil". I dont think you a good person at all. I think you are a massive p*ssy and a coward. If i had to do what Floch and Eren did to secure a future for my friends and family in a "kill or die situation", I would do it in a heartbeat. I will defend my own whatever the cost maybe. HAIL EREN, HAIL FLOCH. I think AOT is a perfect way to determine whether someone is vulnerable to propaganda and manipulation. So vulnerable and malleable, that they can be even made into openly supporting global genocide. Just because we have seen story from Eren's POV he suddenly is morally correct in everything he is doing and if you do not support that narrow opinion, then you are evil. But imagine what would be the perception if we would start the story from Final Series'. Now try something hard: Put yourself in the position of countless nations, who not only never wronged Paradis, but do not even know about it's existence and tell them that they deserve to die because one boy on the other side of the globe lost his mother. And before you start with "it's just fiction" then that's not the point. This case really shows how it is possible to make real people blindly support something evil if they are being properly conditioned. |
PiromyslJun 17, 2023 12:10 PM
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Vernity said: Hahahaha, LMFAO. Just wanted to say that this Piromysl guy is probably the sole person in the world that still doesn't get attack on titan. Dude got his head locked in a walnut sized coffin. You not addressing me directly, so I wouldn't get notified of that pathetic attempt at an insult tells me everything I need to know. |
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