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Jan 27, 2023 12:08 PM

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gekojay said:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058796/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_2
I found this man's perfect show
You won't mind the 5.2 IMDb rating becuase there are 14,700 episodes! Enjoy!
You clearly don't understand my list as it's too complicated for you, but I don't rate based on the Total Episode Count, I base it on the Episodes I have watched, if that 14,700 episode show is so bad I drop within 2 episodes then it would be bottom, last place on my list.
The fact that you didn't drop ex-arm makes me wonder how far you'd make it into this show
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Jan 27, 2023 12:10 PM

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Bro's either trolling or is high on bath salts or some shit cuz this is some of the most unintelligable shit I've ever read
yet again you are failing to understand pretty basic stuff. what is hard to get? the AVG MAL score is 6.5 but that is for all anime ever made, me personally I only mainly watch highly rated anime so if you check MAL's averages for only the shows I have watched, it would have a much higher average than 6.5, maybe about 8.1 if I guessed. Making my mean score below average.
It's for the average mean score MAL users have, not the average score of all anime
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Jan 27, 2023 12:14 PM

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It's for the average mean score MAL users have, not the average score of all anime
ok but literally read my bio, my list is factual, there is evidence behind it, it can not be disproved. I may have a high mean score, but all evidence backs up that is correct.
Jan 27, 2023 12:21 PM

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It's for the average mean score MAL users have, not the average score of all anime
ok but literally read my bio, my list is factual, there is evidence behind it, it can not be disproved. I may have a high mean score, but all evidence backs up that is correct.
Oh shit I didn't read that. My bad. You are correct. Have a nice day.
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Jan 27, 2023 12:25 PM

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Time spent on certain things =/= enjoyment of certain things.

I know you will counter that with "you are just hate watching", but how does that make any sense? Is everything that you do in a day really enjoyable for you? Is walking through the rain also a form of hate-living if you don't enjoy rain?

If I watch a decently good show that is 12 episodes long, that does not mean that I think it is 4x better than a really good 1-hour long movie that I have only watched once.

After all, who would watch a movie 4 times, especially when said movie relies on plot-twists and unexpected revelations that will only be unique the first time watching it.

Whatever, this is a joke account that was created with the sole purpose of pissing people like me off. Congrats, you win.

Jan 27, 2023 12:32 PM

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playgamewithme14 said:
Time spent on certain things =/= enjoyment of certain things.

I know you will counter that with "you are just hate watching", but how does that make any sense? Is everything that you do in a day really enjoyable for you? Is walking through the rain also a form of hate-living if you don't enjoy rain?

If I watch a decently good show that is 12 episodes long, that does not mean that I think it is 4x better than a really good 1-hour long movie that I have only watched once.

After all, who would watch a movie 4 times, especially when said movie relies on plot-twists and unexpected revelations that will only be unique the first time watching it.

Whatever, this is a joke account that was created with the sole purpose of pissing people like me off. Congrats, you win.
some One Piece youtuber went to see Film Red in cinema like 30+ times and will no doubt continue rewatching it in the future, that is a situation where a movie deserves a high score (maybe not for you or me, but for that guy) whereas the example you gave, if the movie relies so heavy on certain things that it can't be rewatched, then it isn't as good as you may believe.
Jan 27, 2023 12:38 PM

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some One Piece youtuber went to see Film Red in cinema like 30+ times and will no doubt continue rewatching it in the future, that is a situation where a movie deserves a high score (maybe not for you or me, but for that guy) whereas the example you gave, if the movie relies so heavy on certain things that it can't be rewatched, then it isn't as good as you may believe
Watching a movie 30 times and still thinking it is enjoyable means it must be really good in that person's eyes, I agree.

But what you are saying is that a movie or a show should refrain from being shocking, surprising, and should not rely on unexpected plot-twists, since it would not make a second rewatch as enjoyable. I watched Perfect Blue a few weeks ago with a friend, and it blew our minds. We talked about the movie for 3 hours after, which I think indicates our enjoyment more than slogging through a 12 episode season.

However, would I watch Perfect Blue again if you asked me? No, not right now. The memory of it is so fresh, and I know all of the surprising things that will happen, so a second rewatch will not be as enjoyable for me.

Does that mean the movie isn't as good as I make it out to be? Well, that's where we differ in opinion.

Jan 27, 2023 12:52 PM
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BestListMAL said:
some One Piece youtuber went to see Film Red in cinema like 30+ times and will no doubt continue rewatching it in the future, that is a situation where a movie deserves a high score (maybe not for you or me, but for that guy) whereas the example you gave, if the movie relies so heavy on certain things that it can't be rewatched, then it isn't as good as you may believe.
That doesn't make it better.  A show's quality has nothing to do with your enjoyment. For example, the animation won't become better and better every time you watch it. While the score should represent the show's qualities.
And by your logic, everything is better that you watched compared to shows you haven't watched yet.
Jan 27, 2023 12:58 PM

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That doesn't make it better.  A show's quality has nothing to do with your enjoyment. For example, the animation won't become better and better every time you watch it. While the score should represent the show's qualities.
And by your logic, everything is better that you watched compared to shows you haven't watched yet.
how can you claim to objectively rate a show when your ratings aren't even based on facts, my ratings literally have factual, mathematical reasoning behind them, yours are subjective opinions.
Jan 27, 2023 1:06 PM

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No one claims that they can objectively rate a show

That's literally an oxymoron

Jan 27, 2023 4:06 PM
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hy this has nothing to do with the question but.... I saw the movies before bakemonogatari is that a big problem?
Jan 27, 2023 4:51 PM
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ktg said:
That doesn't make it better.  A show's quality has nothing to do with your enjoyment. For example, the animation won't become better and better every time you watch it. While the score should represent the show's qualities.
And by your logic, everything is better that you watched compared to shows you haven't watched yet.
how can you claim to objectively rate a show when your ratings aren't even based on facts, my ratings literally have factual, mathematical reasoning behind them, yours are subjective opinions.
First, your list has zero "factual, mathematical reasoning". You subjectively decided how much time what ratings should be. Like you've spent 86 hours watching Naruto,  you've spent 193 hours watching Naruto Shippuuden and you gave it a 10 and lastly you've spent less than 10 hours on ToraDora and you gave it a 10.
So your "factual, mathematical reasoning" says 193, 86 and 10 hours are the same.
You even fk'd up your method:
One Piece movie 5: 1 hour, 35 minutes  and you gave it a 5.
One Piece movie 7: 1 hour, 34 minutes  and you gave it a 5.
While the shorter Seishun Buta Yarou wa Yumemiru Shoujo no Yume wo Minai which is 1 hour, 30 minutes got a 6.
That's not all, Steins;Gate Movie: Fuka Ryouiki no Déjà vu also 1 hour, 30 minutes and you rated as a 7.

Second, generally, your rating system never can be factual. You have a scale of 10 while the shows' length has infinite options. The shortest shows on the website are less than 1 min long. If you were factual you would even try to differentiate between 11, 12 or 13 episode long series. You don't do that, because you know your rating system is stupid.

Third, you are wrong here too. Just because I don't share my methods on my profile, doesn't mean I don't have one. I rate a show objectively as possible on a 2-9 scale and change a bit (+-1) based on my enjoyment. In this case it is as objective as it can be and still shows my opinion. So like every shows that got 10 on my list is a show that I enjoyed. But just because I enjoyed a show it can get a 10.
Jan 27, 2023 5:15 PM

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this just happens to be one of the best pieces of media ever made, I don't think people are particularly generous with this.

it should be rated higher really.

Jan 28, 2023 3:02 AM
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lol wtf is all this?
Jan 28, 2023 3:48 AM

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First, your list has zero "factual, mathematical reasoning". You subjectively decided how much time what ratings should be. Like you've spent 86 hours watching Naruto,  you've spent 193 hours watching Naruto Shippuuden and you gave it a 10 and lastly you've spent less than 10 hours on ToraDora and you gave it a 10.
So your "factual, mathematical reasoning" says 193, 86 and 10 hours are the same.
You even fk'd up your method:
One Piece movie 5: 1 hour, 35 minutes  and you gave it a 5.
One Piece movie 7: 1 hour, 34 minutes  and you gave it a 5.
While the shorter Seishun Buta Yarou wa Yumemiru Shoujo no Yume wo Minai which is 1 hour, 30 minutes got a 6.
That's not all, Steins;Gate Movie: Fuka Ryouiki no Déjà vu also 1 hour, 30 minutes and you rated as a 7.

Second, generally, your rating system never can be factual. You have a scale of 10 while the shows' length has infinite options. The shortest shows on the website are less than 1 min long. If you were factual you would even try to differentiate between 11, 12 or 13 episode long series. You don't do that, because you know your rating system is stupid.

Third, you are wrong here too. Just because I don't share my methods on my profile, doesn't mean I don't have one. I rate a show objectively as possible on a 2-9 scale and change a bit (+-1) based on my enjoyment. In this case it is as objective as it can be and still shows my opinion. So like every shows that got 10 on my list is a show that I enjoyed. But just because I enjoyed a show it can get a 10.
well Nartuo Ship, Naruto and Toradora are all in my top 50 most watched, hence they're 10's.
As for the movies, One Piece movie 5 and 7 I class as being 4 episodes, as you would need 1 Hour 40 Minutes of screentime to be 5 episodes. (sometimes I make exceptions and round up, not for these crap tho)
That Bunny Girl Senpai movie is also 4 episodes of screentime, therefore it is not a fight on screentime but my enjoyment, so 4eps of bunny girl which I enjoyed more than 4 eps of non-canon movie gives bunny girl the win. (see my list is always 2 steps ahead of your baseless accusations, that is what it means to be factual).

I also do differentiate between 11, 12 and 13 episode shows but sometimes they fall into the same rating.
Jan 28, 2023 4:33 AM

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Ya'll need to stop taking the bait from these accounts. Dude types like his only two YouTube subscriptions are Richard Dawkins and Chess.com

I mean, by this logic since I tend to rewatch trashy isekai often, and Bleach once every two or so years to scavenge some dopamine from my nostalgia, they're all deserving of a 10.

Good bait though.
Jan 28, 2023 10:19 AM
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BestListMAL said:
sometimes I make exceptions and round up
BestListMAL said:
herefore it is not a fight on screentime but my enjoyment
BestListMAL said:
I also do differentiate between 11, 12 and 13 episode shows but sometimes they fall into the same rating.
These sentences perfectly prove my point, because this means your ratings system has nothing to do with facts. It is not factual, because as you said it, you make exception, but sometimes not, sometimes consider other factors etc.
This is exactly what you call subjective rating. It's pretty pathetic that you keep lying. :)
Jan 28, 2023 1:46 PM

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loool Nice troll thread, going to be fun reading through this pero~
Jan 28, 2023 2:43 PM

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These sentences perfectly prove my point, because this means your ratings system has nothing to do with facts. It is not factual, because as you said it, you make exception, but sometimes not, sometimes consider other factors etc.
This is exactly what you call subjective rating. It's pretty pathetic that you keep lying. :)
I guess you are correct, when two things have the same episode count, then I use subjective ratings like everyone else. But for the most part my ratings are factual.
Jan 28, 2023 9:11 PM
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The idea that length and quality of media are at all correlated is fallacious. It's entirely reasonable to tell a short, poignant story in a small timeframe that hits like a truck, and it's also possible to tell a long story over hundreds of episodes, to the detriment of the pacing of each. Anime movies like Your Name, A Silent Voce, or like the top 5 Ghibli movies are all among the most popular anime media in the west.

If you want an answer specific to these movies, though, I think they paint a beautiful picture of Araragi's relationships with Kiss-Shot, Oshino, and Hanekawa. The bossa musical motif is beautifully-executed, and bro on God the quality of art and animation is insane.
Jan 28, 2023 10:30 PM
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has to be one of the dumbest things ive read, having a 500+ episodes doesnt mean shit if theyre mid. Nice bait
Jan 29, 2023 2:08 AM

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The idea that length and quality of media are at all correlated is fallacious. It's entirely reasonable to tell a short, poignant story in a small timeframe that hits like a truck, and it's also possible to tell a long story over hundreds of episodes, to the detriment of the pacing of each. Anime movies like Your Name, A Silent Voce, or like the top 5 Ghibli movies are all among the most popular anime media in the west.

If you want an answer specific to these movies, though, I think they paint a beautiful picture of Araragi's relationships with Kiss-Shot, Oshino, and Hanekawa. The bossa musical motif is beautifully-executed, and bro on God the quality of art and animation is insane.
well, I definitly agree with Silent Voice, because it's so good I've rewatched it 4 times making it the equivilent to a 24 episode show. If all anime movies were so good they could be rewatched that many times, then this debate wouldn't be happening.
Jan 29, 2023 2:09 AM

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has to be one of the dumbest things ive read, having a 500+ episodes doesnt mean shit if theyre mid. Nice bait
if the 500 eps were as bad as you say, you wouldn't have watched them.
Jan 29, 2023 12:27 PM
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People can, and will be generous with what they’re most familiarized, you could say the same about all Gintama, which doesn’t have a super complex trama and it’s just comedy, but there is it.
Jan 29, 2023 3:33 PM
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I think that you're missing a very fundamental aspect of how most people view anime, in that most anime viewers value the *experience* of watching an anime, rather than just the entertainment. I say this because I take care intentionally not to rewatch some of my favorite anime of all time. You might ask me why that's the case: after all, if I like an anime, wouldn't it be natural to want to rewatch it?

While that is certainly true of some anime, there are others - like for me, the very movies that this thread is centered on - where I have an intense, intimate memory of experiencing that media during a particular time in my life which made me particularly in-step with its emotional journey, and during a time where anime was at its peak for me, where it felt like banger anime were endless. I can remember the summer heat, the vacation I took that summer where the OST of these movies played as the background music to beautiful island scenery. I have associated a memory with these movies, and watching them again would certainly change that. It works, now, because I only have one time period I associate with them, but if I added another, and another and another, the memory would be muddled. The experience would be lost. 

My point here is this: anime - well, media in general, really - doesnt only have value based on how long it keeps you entertained. It also has value because it can *mean* something to you. It can be a treasured memory you want to keep in a box. And that's not a bad or "incorrect" understanding of media. It's art, bro. 
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Its not about quantity it's about quality. Shaft got a home run with this trilogy in fact with the whole saga.

Agreed, this is the best animation you will ever see from Shaft😍 It’s a blessing that some of the big names on Kizumonogatari’s animation team helped with Chainsaw Man. Never thought I’d see the day
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