So I'm a Spider, So What? (light novel)
beast_regards said: Primo_Itoko said: We have the context now but when we read it for the first time we were even more confused than you are since visual clues and some minor changes the anime offers makes some points really easy to figure out. So, you've read the one volume and were forced to wait possibly several months for another, how did you remember everything in detail when a new volume came out? There was quite a lot of content when I started reading the WN so I just read everything that was out in one go. That was 4, 5 years ago? idk, but when a topic comes back there's always a "ooooh right, there was that time this was mentioned right?" in which case I would try to find said chapter to re-read it. This actually happened last month with the newest chapters from the WN. And like, I'm not sure about the LN but everything the WN presented was engaging, in a "WTF is going on" sense. The whole Taboo reveal clearly was massively important but we were never told what it was and when we finally were it made sense but, since it was impactful I didn't need to go back. The whole "is kumoko the demon lord?" ordeal made me re-read the chapters where demon lord appears quite a few times on every new info that was updated (even when I was binge reading and could have brushed it off and just continue to get the answer). This story was a big puzzle for me, by now there already was yet another POV going on so I was reading actively looking for what's important and what's not while slowly building the bigger picture. That's why I never hated the human side even when I hated Shun, it was giving me info that I knew it would be important later on after I get more info elsewhere. edit: that was a lie, yes there was other POVs but they were sub-POVs from the human side and the demon side, the other major POV I was talking about appears later, just checked. |
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Primo_Itoko said: This story was a big puzzle for me... So it was meant to be a puzzle from the beginning. At least we can say anime is trying to be true to the spirit of the original work. On the other hand, it probably gives an entirely different impression than you had when you've read the original, so I still think this thread is actually a good idea |
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| OP, try watching the part about the feather again. The feather has run out of power after saving Hyrince from the attack and can no longer be used. It's now just a pretty feather. Is it Ani-one that you have been watching? They have quite a....inferior translation. |
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HeadfirstRocket said: Is it Ani-one that you have been watching? They have quite a....inferior translation. Yes, and from what I understand Phoenix Feather works once per user. I.e. if Hyrince dies holding the feather, he is dead for good, however, if Shun dies holding the feather, he is resurrected. Also, this, and possibly other things lost in translation, are a disaster for the story that relies on obscure quotes to deliver information linkhuesitos said: I don't get this part. What does the 3rd army general has to do here? I assumed that 3rd group was supposed to die fighting the Hero. Which was entirely wrong, but it was what I thought. linkhuesitos said: Unless Alaba fight eats the whole episode next episode should start Shun story. Shun story right now is behind schedule by a lot. The anime is in Shun's chapter 3 of volume 3 meanwhile Kumo' side is in chapter 11 (last chapter) of volume 3. Oh no, which means they are going to cram more Shun into the anime. Still, it's episode 12 next week, which is the last episode of the season and would mean the end if there wasn't a second season already approved making this a two-season run instead. It's going to be a finale for whatever they established in the previous 11 episodes, similar did happen for many anime that were given 24 episodes from the start. |
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| I've read the manga and WN myself. This be one of those "read the source material" kind of adaptations. The story is far too long to wait and see since the payoff is when the timelines finally meet. At the very least, the anime will surpass the manga. Unfortunately, I don't believe we'll reach the end within 24 episodes unless a lot of corners are cut. Most of them revolve around Shun, be it good or bad. Shun has a childhood in the WN, but there's only flashbacks in the anime. We're pretty much thrown into his story without knowing how he compares with ordinary humans in his new environment. We also don't know the full story behind his relationship with the characters around him. I can see why it'd mislead viewers into believing it's your typical harem. Truth be told, it may develop in that direction. I'd guess within 4 more episodes. For now his sister has no competition. Sadly, she won't be able to repel potential competition when they're apart soon. |
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Reload said: I've read the manga and WN myself. This be one of those "read the source material" kind of adaptations. The story is far too long to wait and see since the payoff is when the timelines finally meet. At the very least, the anime will surpass the manga. Unfortunately, I don't believe we'll reach the end within 24 episodes unless a lot of corners are cut. Most of them revolve around Shun, be it good or bad. Shun has a childhood in the WN, but there's only flashbacks in the anime. We're pretty much thrown into his story without knowing how he compares with ordinary humans in his new environment. We also don't know the full story behind his relationship with the characters around him. I can see why it'd mislead viewers into believing it's your typical harem. Truth be told, it may develop in that direction. I'd guess within 4 more episodes. For now his sister has no competition. Sadly, she won't be able to repel potential competition when they're apart soon. This is the main reason behind making the thread - to find out if it is possible to actually make sense of the story without reading the source material. It is also to do to analyze the argument of "it will be revealed in due time" others use to shut down criticism, by making note when that "due time" happened. It also reveals how much information is provided in the passing and while it is technically present, it can still be easily missed by casual viewers. |
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nakkki said: Soooo, you're basically doing cinemasins for kumo desu ga?? More like a reaction video with Youtuber hysterically screaming at the camera. Just in text form. Because I am not photogenic enough to look good on camera. |
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| Here is an update as the episode 12 came out and … And here we go. A finale, an end of the season. Well, technically, it isn’t an end, there are more episodes coming in the next season with merely a week of wait in between them, but if this anime didn’t got 24 episodes instead of 12 it would be the end that would leave anime watchers hanging for another 6 or so months at very best. So, did it answered anything? And I found out that … Demon Lord looks good in bikini swimsuit, I guess. But it’s not what the most episode of the episode is about (even though this is arguable) Majority of the episode is Kumoko’s fight with the boss monster, an Earth Dragon Araba, and of course, it doesn’t necessarily explain anything about the skills despite the fact Kumoko keeps monologuing through entire fight and narrating her skill use as she goes, but that’s not necessarily a problem. I didn’t needed much of the explanation, so I don’t complain it is missing. It was Kumoko’s hardest fight yet, and it made me feel it is her hardest fight yet, so that’s entirely OK – dragon even proven to be smart enough to distribute his skill points to have a perfect counter for Kumoko’s … except, there are too many skills so I am simply rolling with it. And in the end, dragon dies, and Kumoko manages to give him shounen protagonist speech about not giving up. Why exactly? Why you give don’t give up speeches to your enemy? Dunno. Perhaps it is a fine culture of evil spiders, who knows. Still, fight is over, and we cut over to the Demon Lord lazying on the terrace of her palace. Shows reminds us she got a nice body, and looks great in bikini. Well, it’s not bikini, it’s her normal outfit, but still, it doesn’t cover much. It’s not a complaint though, just pointing that out. She muses how she remembers fighting an Earth Dragon. Which is obviously supposed to gives us hints or just plainly confuse us considering there are different timelines. But I suppose most viewers just imagined how Demon Lord looks naked... And cut. We are back to generic harem protagonist. He is still in this show, I still hate him, and nothing really changed as none of the question raised were really answered. He just have his mental generic harem protagonist rant and about avenging his brother, while his harem longingly whisper his name … Even Hugo is calling his name. Even though I can imagine for different reasons… but who knows, harem protagonist is harem protagonist. Only dragon girl is forgotten. She probably chills in her evolution egg while system decides if it gives her a really hot monster girl body that also looks so well in bikini or not … And with that, anime cuts back to Kumoko rushing towards the light, to finally leave the cave, up to the surface … and episode ends. And with it, a season, season that practically answered a very little and most of my question remains … As a finale, it’s OK, but I would prefer they leave out the human part entirely as they add nothing to do story so far … however, if they cut that out, I would have nothing to complaint about, and you couldn’t be angry at me for not getting the obvious as there wouldn’t be any posts in the first place. |
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| Yeah I definitely feel like this series just info dump and leaves more questions than answers. I feel like everything on Kumo's side was nicely done, very interesting to see a spider protagonist trying to survive in a labyrinth of strong monsters. But the human part, oh boy. No backstory. We didn't know who is who except for Fei who was a bully. Names and terms dropped everywhere without any development on any of it. It's just written in a way that makes you think "Ah, okay. I don't really give a shit, can we move back to the spider?". Source readers say this will get better when they meet Kumo but yeah, that's so fucking far in the future. Right now their story is as interesting as a rock. It doesn't enhances the prologue story of the spider protagonist in any way at all. |
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Siegfried10 said: Expect to see a lot of Shun in the second cour. Perfect. Just perfect. More Shun. But the show actually does explain what the skill does - it's data mining skill. Even if it actually lies, it changes very little on how it functions. However, if the show lies about what Taboo skill actually does, then what we can believe? What is the point in this secrecy, from a narrative standpoint? Xystus said: But the human part, oh boy. No backstory. We didn't know who is who except for Fei who was a bully. Names and terms dropped everywhere without any development on any of it. It's just written in a way that makes you think "Ah, okay. I don't really give a shit, can we move back to the spider?". Source readers say this will get better when they meet Kumo but yeah, that's so fucking far in the future. Right now their story is as interesting as a rock. It doesn't enhances the prologue story of the spider protagonist in any way at all. If the spider is the protagonist in her own story in the first place... |
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Abredon said: What makes you think Taboo is data mining? It's a gateway holding a vast dump of information that is only installed when Taboo maxes out. The Taboo skill infodump includes the fact that the System was created. Therefore someone created the System. Skills are part of the system. Taboo is a skill. That someone who created the System put a lot of information behind Taboo level 10 and put a description of Taboo saying you shouldn't level this skill. What can we believe? Aye, there's the rub. everything is from a point of view - when we see Kumoko, her point of view alters what is shown. When we see Ronandt fight Kumoko, it's from Ronandt's point of view, and that alters what is shown. Nothing is unbiased. There is no omniscient narrator. This type of storytelling is not common but is used in some classic literature. Usually, only stories written in 1st person don't have an omniscient narrator, however, a story told in 1st person simply doesn't work in the visual medium as we simply can't look at the scene from the perspective of the protagonist. Well, we theoretically can, but it would make everything look like a first-person shooter and even then it would be very awkward to actually display skills if you can't bring up character screen anytime as you would in-game. (or can't scroll back like in Web Novel) However, if everything that we were told is a lie, why tell us any story in the first place? Basically, it justifies a total absence of the worldbuilding as this .. hallucination ... isn't meant to be real and consistent in the first place. This would make the writing actually worse, not better, as you can practically handwave inconsistencies, bad writing, and plot holes, by everything not being real |
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beast_regards said: Here is an update as the episode 12 came out and … And I found out that … Demon Lord looks good in bikini swimsuit, I guess. Yes, we know that she looks really good in bikini I cut the spoiler parts of the illustration.  And with that, anime cuts back to Kumoko rushing towards the light, to finally leave the cave, up to the surface … and episode ends. And with it, a season, season that practically answered a very little and most of my question remains … tbf the anime dedicated most of the last 3 episode to Kumoko and barely advanced Shun's part. Like the others said, I would expect a lot of Shun next episode 'cuz right now Shun story is way behind schedule. Kumoko's side just finished volume 3 content, meanwhile Shun's part is on chapter S3 of 9 of volume 3 content. |
linkhuesitos said: I cut the spoiler parts of the illustration. If the spoiler part is Shun, I am glad you cut it off. By the way, Demon Lord has pointy ears in anime. linkhuesitos said: st of the last 3 episode to Kumoko and barely advanced Shun's part. Like the others said, I would expect a lot of Shun next episode 'cuz right now Shun story is way behind schedule. Expect me to rage about it a lot. 30 minutes of Shun hate. |
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Abredon said: And who said everything isn't real? I said everything we're shown has bias (conscious or unconscious) Anime doesn't suggest that anything we see isn't real, so I will take it at face value. "I am not explaining shit, it isn't real anyway" is a bad writing and worldbuilding approach. |
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Abredon said: No, "this is SF/Fantasy, so we have to spend a third of the story explaining things" is a bad writing and worldbuilding approach, yet a LOT of SF used to do just that. Science Fiction actually got a whole lot better when it STOPPED explaining things. In this show, things are explained only when the characters in question would reasonably make such a statement. In Kumoko's case that is more often than in the case of other characters (Kumoko mentally talks to herself a lot - and this is actually relevant to the story). This style of writing without a narrator is not an easy writing style. The author has to make things work without the easy out of narration explaining things. You can often judge how good a writer is by how infrequently narration/monologuing is used. (Yes, Hugo monologued in his fight scene) In a way, it is a genius solution, if you don't provide any information and that little you provide is a lie, no one can't claim your worldbuilding is inconsistent or doesn't make sense. But fair enough, I don't expect everything will be explained in one episode. I can wait. It's 12 more episodes. And keep in mind, every time I am blatantly wrong about something because there are no answers, it's a good thing. because no answers are good. |
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beast_regards said: And I found out that … Demon Lord looks good in bikini swimsuit, I guess. Still, fight is over, and we cut over to the Demon Lord lazying on the terrace of her palace. Shows reminds us she got a nice body, and looks great in bikini. Well, it’s not bikini, it’s her normal outfit, but still, it doesn’t cover much. It’s not a complaint though, just pointing that out. But I suppose most viewers just imagined how Demon Lord looks naked... Only dragon girl is forgotten. She probably chills in her evolution egg while system decides if it gives her a really hot monster girl body that also looks so well in bikini or not … You, go to horny jail, now! And like, nothing that was presented was factually a lie, it was presented in a way that tricks you into thinking it's one thing when it's actually something else. Like I said before, when a certain moment comes a good amount of things will make sense in a domino effect. It should be the end of the season, probably |
Primo_Itoko said: You, go to horny jail, now! C'mon, I paid attention to details, as you wanted me to!  Primo_Itoko said: And like, nothing that was presented was factually a lie, it was presented in a way that tricks you into thinking it's one thing when it's actually something else. Like I said before, when a certain moment comes a good amount of things will make sense in a domino effect. It should be the end of the season, probably I am very curious what do you think I am thinking? Show tricks me into thinking into what exactly? |
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| This is my first time watching anime where mc is female and no side character who is badass. all focus is on our little spider chan, anime shows us |
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Sanket_uchiha said: This is my first time watching anime where mc is female and no side character who is badass. all focus is on our little spider chan, anime shows us If they keep adding more Shun, Kumuko will become a minor character in her own story. |
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beast_regards said: Primo_Itoko said: You, go to horny jail, now! C'mon, I paid attention to details, as you wanted me to! Primo_Itoko said: And like, nothing that was presented was factually a lie, it was presented in a way that tricks you into thinking it's one thing when it's actually something else. Like I said before, when a certain moment comes a good amount of things will make sense in a domino effect. It should be the end of the season, probably I am very curious what do you think I am thinking? Show tricks me into thinking into what exactly? I feel bad about answering this with a question, but what do you think this show is about? Kumoko survival and eventually becoming a demon lord? Shun and his harem build up to fight said demon lord? Oka-sensei siding with the elves for whatever reason they might have? I think what you thought is among those lines, but please correct me if I'm wrong. |
Deer69 said: CMIIW. Is the manga only focussing on Kumoko's POV? I've watched the anime till the least episodes (12), and because of my curiousity i decided to read the manga but till date(chapter 50) theres no shine of Shun and co appearances. P.S. Tho i started read the manga at chapter 20. It is, manga is not the source, but rather Adaptation of Light novels that throws away half of the story. Highly recommend picking up Novels instead since Anime will overshoot manga by the end of 2nd cour. |
beast_regards said: ...This is the main reason behind making the thread - to find out if it is possible to actually make sense of the story without reading the source material. It is also to do to analyze the argument of "it will be revealed in due time" others use to shut down criticism, by making note when that "due time" happened. It also reveals how much information is provided in the passing and while it is technically present, it can still be easily missed by casual viewers. beast_regards said: What is the point in this secrecy, from a narrative standpoint? I appreciate your motivation here, and I think you're handling the discussion pretty maturely. I'm glad to see you keeping your cool despite receiving some ad-homenim from others. If a story's withholding information for any reason, it's valid to ask whether the way that the information is being withheld is serving the story effectively (= good writing) or is mainly serving to frustrate or confuse the audience (= bad writing). beast_regards said: Usually, only stories written in 1st person don't have an omniscient narrator, however, a story told in 1st person simply doesn't work in the visual medium as we simply can't look at the scene from the perspective of the protagonist. Third person limited narration is when the story focuses on just one character's point of view, so I disagree that such a limited narrative perspective "doesn't work in the visual medium" - many, many stories including films and anime take this perspective. Practically everything we see in ReLIFE, for example, is only the things that can be witnessed by the protagonist, Kaizaki, so it functions similarly to first-person narration in limiting the information we are given and that the protagonist can access. But even though we don't get an omniscient view into what's happening with all the other characters during the story when they're not present, ReLIFE gives us enough information to feel that the events and character actions make sense. And because it's third-person limited, we get to go along for the ride with Kaizaki, figuring out what's going on as he does, and empathizing with him when he's at a bit of a loss. Because ReLIFE is well written, we're not given the feeling that we're being denied information for no reason (any more than he gets that feeling): Instead, we empathize with his limited knowledge because he wants to know things that he cannot know at that point, or that he has to work to discover, and that's okay because the lack of information makes sense in context. It doesn't feel like the narrator is being purposefully vague just to keep us in suspense. Weak writing withholds information to try to keep the audience in suspense: it's weak because when withholding information leaves readers/viewers confused, disoriented, or frustrated, that removes the motivation to keep reading/watching, which is not a good result if you're interested in keeping the audience engaged. Stronger writing instead controls the audience's perceptions of the information it's feeding them, rather than withholding information to leave otherwise expected story elements vague. If there's a key plot point that would spoil the story, then a well-written story will make the audience focus on something else (like the transition in Fight Club right after ) or will offer other information and clues that will let the audience misinterpret what's going on, until it's time to reveal that misinterpretation. A story needs to give you enough information for things to make sense - again, even if that sense later turns out to be wrong. (For example, in Jobless Reincarnation, at first we're led to understand that may have been mischaracterized as being overly violent because we see evidence to the contrary in one such character's actions and demeanor, and we might think that perhaps the way these people are perceived will turn out to be the result of political or racist propaganda. But then . We weren't denied information, but as new information became available, we were forced to reinterpret our earlier understanding, so we were effectively kept in the dark without being made to feel as though that were happening.) Exposition is not the answer to filling in information gaps. @Abredon is right that exposition, particularly excessive exposition, is generally a weakness of writing, not a strength. But I don't think that's what beast_regards is talking about. The audience for a story needs to be given enough information to have some sense that they understand what's going on in the story and why things are happening (even if it turns out later that their understanding is wrong). They also need to see character actions as making sense - things that the person likely would do, rather than things they seem to be doing only because the plot demands it. beast_regards said: However, if everything that we were told is a lie ... Well, one other point about narrators: They're characters too, whether they're omniscient or not, and they have biases and can be unreliable to varying degrees. The narrator is a person telling a story. That person may be made an overt part of the story (as with first-person narrators and some others) or written as though they're practically invisible, disinterested observers... but every narrative perspective is a frame, a filter through which the story is told (including that story-teller's attitudes and interpretations of people and events, and including their choices of what parts of the story to tell and what details to leave out). So if Spider is shifting among various narrative perspectives, it's valid to ask what those biases / filters are (and why they are what they are): This not only is valid but is important in being able to understand the story fully. A heavy dose of qualifier here: I've only seen episode 1 and haven't read the LN/WN. I only started reading this thread because I wasn't hooked by the story in ep. 1, and I wanted more information to know whether it was a problem with the writing or something else. So far, it doesn't appear to be the strongest piece of writing, but thanks to all of you here, I'm encouraged to at least give the anime more of a chance. g- p.s. Sorry; I don't know how to make the spoiler tags stay in-line with the text. g- |
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Biggest problem people have with Beast_regards is that in argument he ignores most of the evidence that people point him to (and i am talking about anime only evidence) just to push his narrative biased by him being a manga reader and thinking that manga is a superior medium. (Manga have thrown half of the story away for no reason, loosing a lot of depth and turning into comedic monster of the week grind. ) On side note i would say that LNs of spider are probably one of the best isekai on the market by the writing quality. Everything makes sense there. Can't say that anime is perfect adaptation. it needs to be twice as long and boring to be faithful adaptation (since a lot of number crunching does not work in visual medium), nevertheless anime trying it's best to stay faithful to the source while loosing some nuances but overall keeping major plot points in proper fashion. there is a reason why anime went from 6.5 to 7.14 over the course of the season. it's a slow burn and it pick ups late - but it worth it. |
nakkki said: Talmer said: Biggest problem people have with Beast_regards is that in argument he ignores most of the evidence that people point him to (and i am talking about anime only evidence) just to push his narrative biased by him being a manga reader and thinking that manga is a superior medium. (Manga have thrown half of the story away for no reason, loosing a lot of depth and turning into comedic monster of the week grind. ) On side note i would say that LNs of spider are probably one of the best isekai on the market by the writing quality. Everything makes sense there. Can't say that anime is perfect adaptation. it needs to be twice as long and boring to be faithful adaptation (since a lot of number crunching does not work in visual medium), nevertheless anime trying it's best to stay faithful to the source while loosing some nuances but overall keeping major plot points in proper fashion. there is a reason why anime went from 6.5 to 7.14 over the course of the season. it's a slow burn and it pick ups late - but it worth it. Seriously losing all depth.. I don't get people complaining about shun.. Sure, the whole backstory of shun shouldn't have been skipped but still, it's not THAT bad that shun exists.. Sooo many animes have characters worse than shun which are Pov characters It's think it's mostly because people don't get it. They don't get the point of the story or the world dynamics, which is somewhat understandable. They still see the story through generic lens which couldn't be further from the truth. |
| [ Primo_Itoko said: I feel bad about answering this with a question, but what do you think this show is about? Kumoko survival and eventually becoming a demon lord? Shun and his harem build up to fight said demon lord? Oka-sensei siding with the elves for whatever reason they might have? I wonder ... How can the story be about Kumoko if they are wasting so much time on boring characters like Shun? How can the story be about Shun if they named the show about the spider? It certainly can’t be about one specific thing as it is far too unfocused and rely too much on misdirection with avoidance of meaningful answer. Etc. As far as I can tell, I assume story is supposed to be some obnoxious anti-escapism message ... but I can't tell that from anime sources, I conclude it from the rants saying that "nothing is real". Talmer said: Biggest problem people have with Beast_regards is that in argument he ignores most of the evidence that people point him to I usually do miss some information, usually, one that is mentioned the passing, dropping one word here, and another there, and only made sense to an LN reader who has a greater context for the story. I also ignore everything that is "lost in translation" and requires an understanding of spoken Japanese and its puns or idioms. antigraviton said: I appreciate your motivation here, and I think you're handling the discussion pretty maturely. I'm glad to see you keeping your cool despite receiving some ad-homenim from others. If a story's withholding information for any reason, it's valid to ask whether the way that the information is being withheld is serving the story effectively (= good writing) or is mainly serving to frustrate or confuse the audience (= bad writing). I wouldn't run deeply into the discussion about the storytelling methods as it would be quite a long academic debate and honestly, it may be completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, as what I aim to do here is figure out how much I understand if the information provided to be through 24 episodes of anime, without any supplementary material, like manga or Light Novels. So far, anime didn't suggest that I shouldn't take this story at a face value, so I don't have a reason to assume this is another Fight Club or any other story that turns to be a dream, hallucinations, or something similar. It is a fantasy story about heroes and monsters in a world running on RPG logic. You may have some twist who is a good guy in the story, and who is a bad one, or make both sides equally grey, but that's not a large problem overall as events are still happening as presented, and aren't a product of the last firing neurons in a dying brain. There is the main reason why I picked this story over any other isekai I may watch and that is the fact that this story doesn't have a linear plot and story progression, and is explicitly trying to confuse the viewers from the very start in order to sell its source material. That's why I focus on this. Another isekai I watched is mostly told in a linear fashion, they focus on the single character and on his group, with interludes and changes in perspective being rare and far between. They reveal information either when the protagonist learns it, or when it becomes relevant, and I don't mind waiting as I watch the protagonist's journey to obtain the knowledge about the world I as the viewer also want to have. This is explicitly what is not happening here. Kumuko's learning process is constantly interrupted by boring and seemingly irrelevant characters that don't add anything to her story, due to non-linear structure, and information is purposefully rare. |
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beast_regards said: Another isekai I watched is mostly told in a linear fashion, they focus on the single character and on his group, with interludes and changes in perspective being rare and far between. They reveal information either when the protagonist learns it, or when it becomes relevant, and I don't mind waiting as I watch the protagonist's journey to obtain the knowledge about the world I as the viewer also want to have. This is explicitly what is not happening here. Kumuko's learning process is constantly interrupted by boring and seemingly irrelevant characters that don't add anything to her story, due to non-linear structure, and information is purposefully rare. If you can't get anything else out of the human side, it serves AT VERY LEAST to give the world purpose and context. I don't get why that isn't relevant. The show isn't about the Labyrinth, Kumoko is not gonna be there forever. Eventually we'll move to the rest of the world and through the Human side you'll learn about it, the Kingdoms, power structure, politics and so on. |
Xsadersadd said: that is the point. The story isn't about one single character but about multiple characters. Kumoko is the protagonist while Shun is the deuteragonist of the series. The new characters don't add many things to Kumoko's story but Kumoko adds many things to theirs would be the most I can explain without spoilers. If the world and story revolve around Shun wouldn't he be the Protagonist and Kumuko the deuteragonist? And more importantly, why should I care about Shun? |
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beast_regards said: Xsadersadd said: that is the point. The story isn't about one single character but about multiple characters. Kumoko is the protagonist while Shun is the deuteragonist of the series. The new characters don't add many things to Kumoko's story but Kumoko adds many things to theirs would be the most I can explain without spoilers. If the world and story revolve around Shun wouldn't he be the Protagonist and Kumuko the deuteragonist? And more importantly, why should I care about Shun? Regardless if its boring or not Shun's side serve as world building, we learn there are more than one kingdom, multiple factions, and a war that just started, it might not be the most interesting thing in the anime but it serves as a setup and its telling you that there is more to this story than just a spider girl killing monsters in a cave |
AiHikari said: If you can't get anything else out of the human side, it serves AT VERY LEAST to give the world purpose and context. I don't get why that isn't relevant. The show isn't about the Labyrinth, Kumoko is not gonna be there forever. Eventually we'll move to the rest of the world and through the Human side you'll learn about it, the Kingdoms, power structure, politics and so on Next to nothing has been revealed about the world, I've already addressed this in my previous comments, and most information I have has been delivered by angry LN readers. However, anime is not over, so I will simply wait and comment on what information they provide as the story progresses. |
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| Bonus round, and importance of the man part on the story, as provided by @dejablu at other thread. There is no point in reacting in another thread as this thread is about my understanding of the story (or lack of thereof). My responses are in italics D: Episode 11: The shield guy explained the nature of the rot attribute while talking about the rot attack that killed the hero Effects of the Rot skill are also explained and even demonstrated by Kukumo. D: Episodes 9-10: Two different scenes established the way the hero title works and is transmitted. During the Ronandt point of view you also get a glimpse of how appraisal affects the target (this is subtle, you need to pay attention to get it and it will be probably explained again next episode, judging by the PV) This is entirely true. We would have no means to verify whether the other creatures actually feel when they are being Appraised. However, I have no objection to Rolant’s scene as it takes place in a same timeline as Kukumo story does, and doesn’t break natural progression of the story. Manga didn’t cut this scene off either I think, which points out it is indeed relevant. D: Episode 7: Shun explains the Emperor skill during his fight with Hugo. Elf Sensei demonstrates her Ruler privilege after Kumoko had failed to activate hers (of course this one is just shown, not literally "explained") Hugo is stripped of his skills afterwards and Emperor skill becomes irrelevant as it disappears. Teacher’s power is never explained. There is zero explanation what are the rules for Ruler skills, and what the skill really does. Only way how to tell Administrator from Ruler privilege in that scene is a catch one word in the monologue which may or may not be lost in translation as well. Entire event is forgotten afterwards. Kumuko, also possessing ruler skills, even more than one, never explains what they do, she just theatrically rants about being prideful. She is a Ruler of Pride, after all, but that’s practically everything we are going to get. D: Episode 3: The academy teacher explains how the Magic Perception and Magic Operation skills are necessary to use magic; Kumoko was unable to use magic at that point because she didn't know this (later on episode 8 Kumoko explains how she used Wisdom to bypass those skills). Kumuko learns this sometime after the fight with the Fire Dragon, I believe, so human side isn’t relevant to the understanding of anime. She figured this out on her own. To summarize, second timeline is entirely irrelevant the first story and doesn’t really add any information. |
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