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Avicebrons said: I understand but this thread is about nux so I focused on nux. It is true that some anitubers do what you said but I don't think nux does it. kaiki_fan_boy said: interspicies is not what we were talking about but ok. I think that it's really dumb to be offended by something so unimportant. That's all I am gonna say because that's all there is to say. So what makes you think that they lie about the animes they like ? and nux said that he thought that the first episode of shield hero was good but the rest of the season was just kinda okay, that's not a really strong stance. He had a strong stance about people cancelling the show but can you really disagree with him on that ? Nux likes goblin slayer but it's not like he praise it to high heaven. Gigguk said about goblin slayer to just wait for more episodes to see if it's good, again not a strong stance. And people know redo of healer is bad, nux is not saying the opposite but again he don't think it should get cancelled. And he has only made one real video on redo of healer. I know Interspecies isn't what we're talking about....What? Did you miss my point? Cause it feels like you missed everything I said. I never claimed to be offended. I simply don't like them. And I mentioned Interspecies for context. You asked me to elaborate on the point that Nuxtaku (and other AniTubers) are a bad idea to bring up to support your claim since most are just shills. And I did exactly that. By bringing up how they're incentivized into having certain opinions despite it differing from their actual ones. Making them disingenuous. kaiki_fan_boy said: So what makes you think that they lie about the animes they like ? Like I mentioned. They're highly incentivized for monetary purposes. kaiki_fan_boy said: and nux said that he thought that the first episode of shield hero was good but the rest of the season was just kinda okay, that's not a really strong stance. I was talking about AniTubers in general. kaiki_fan_boy said: He had a strong stance about people cancelling the show but can you really disagree with him on that ? Not the message, but the execution yes. kaiki_fan_boy said: Gigguk said about goblin slayer to just wait for more episodes to see if it's good, again not a strong stance. And again, you're nitpicking certain AniTubers. I'm talking about them as a whole. I could also nitpick certain scenarios to prove a point. kaiki_fan_boy said: And people know redo of healer is bad, nux is not saying the opposite but again he don't think it should get cancelled. And he has only made one real video on redo of healer. And again it feels like you missed the point. Redo was more specifically brought up because of Hero Hei. Who is an AniTuber known for its milking, and Redo is a controversial anime. Avicebrons said: He had a strong stance about people cancelling the show but can you really disagree with him on that ? Not the message, but the execution yes. I am sorry if I make you repeat because I might have missed something but can you explain why you don't like the presantation Yeah you're right about hero hei milking a lot of shit like redo of healer but at the same time 90 percent of his videos are very short so it seems like he is milking sometimes when he really isn't. Like I know he made 12 videos or something on uzacki chan but most of them are 30 seconde long or less (I agree with you that he could have stopped after 4 or 5 videos and it would have been enough tho). |
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kaiki_fan_boy said: I am sorry if I make you repeat because I might have missed something but can you explain why you don't like the presantation Mainly because he caters the video not to give insight for people who are pro-cancel, but instead affirm people who are already anti-cancel. Which makes it ultimately a video whose message goes into the void. He should've optimally opted to get a good grasp of the opposing side, understand their takes, and then try to debunk them. Instead of being clearly biased towards his own side. kaiki_fan_boy said: Yeah you're right about hero hei milking a lot of shit like redo of healer but at the same time 90 percent of his videos are very short so it seems like he is milking sometimes when he really isn't. But this is exactly how he milks it. He doesn't have enough content for one reasonably length video. Sometimes not even enough content to last 30 seconds. But he still makes a video on it. So it's not that it "seems like he is milking", he is in fact, literally milking it. The "news" he's reporting doesn't even have to be a big deal. It can be something like "Hey this person with 2 likes and 0 retweets on Twitter said 'Redo of Healer is bad', lol SJW tears are so delicious get rekt libtard". And that's an entire video. kaiki_fan_boy said: I understand but this thread is about nux so I focused on nux. It is true that some anitubers do what you said but I don't think nux does it. Nux Taku is very much also guilty of having the traits that makes AniTubers so hated. Like the aforementioned Ishuzoku Reviewers situation. Where he literally purposely riled his fanbase's toxicity and spread it. There are other things to of course. Simply scroll through his videos and you see exactly what type of content he makes and for what demographic. It's either highly sexualized or highly controversial. Just as I previously mentioned being the tip for how to become a popular AniTuber nowadays. These are literally his latest videos:
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| [ Avicebrons said: I thought the whole interspicies reviewers thing was funny tbh. It's not like having it number one on mal is gonna have any bad consequences.kaiki_fan_boy said: I am sorry if I make you repeat because I might have missed something but can you explain why you don't like the presantation Mainly because he caters the video not to give insight for people who are pro-cancel, but instead affirm people who are already anti-cancel. Which makes it ultimately a video whose message goes into the void. He should've optimally opted to get a good grasp of the opposing side, understand their takes, and then try to debunk them. Instead of being clearly biased towards his own side. kaiki_fan_boy said: Yeah you're right about hero hei milking a lot of shit like redo of healer but at the same time 90 percent of his videos are very short so it seems like he is milking sometimes when he really isn't. But this is exactly how he milks it. He doesn't have enough content for one reasonably length video. Sometimes not even enough content to last 30 seconds. But he still makes a video on it. So it's not that it "seems like he is milking", he is in fact, literally milking it. The "news" he's reporting doesn't even have to be a big deal. It can be something like "Hey this person with 2 likes and 0 retweets on Twitter said 'Redo of Healer is bad', lol SJW tears are so delicious get rekt libtard". And that's an entire video. kaiki_fan_boy said: I understand but this thread is about nux so I focused on nux. It is true that some anitubers do what you said but I don't think nux does it. Nux Taku is very much also guilty of having the traits that makes AniTubers so hated. Like the aforementioned Ishuzoku Reviewers situation. Where he literally purposely riled his fanbase's toxicity and spread it. There are other things to of course. Simply scroll through his videos and you see exactly what type of content he makes and for what demographic. It's either highly sexualized or highly controversial. Just as I previously mentioned being the tip for how to become a popular AniTuber nowadays. These are literally his latest videos:
Yeah nux is not exactly a family friendly youtuber but I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. His videos are fun and entertaning and when he is serious he makes good points. Having content talking about hentai or such things does not make his content bad imo. And he also just makes normal anime videos sometimes (He was only doing those in the past so I think he wants to do other things). Yeah he likes to talk about controversial topics and yes you're right he does not make these videos to try to change the mind of other peoples. But I think trying to change the mind of a sjw is praticly impossible since those people just want attention and don't actually care about the issues they're talking about. His videos are made to laugh at those people, I think he doesn't want them to be some super educational videos but rather just fun videos to watch. In that sense you're righ, we shouldn't send these videos on mal forums since they don't serve an educational purpose. But still I think nux just wants to have fun on his channel, there is no way to prove that and you can't prove the opposite either. So if you think that he is doing it for the views I understand. Btw just saying sometimes nux does some really good and serious videos like "no one understand yu yu hakusho". What I am gonna say is really cringe but this video actually means a lot to me. If you don't like nux I recommend it to you but it's very long so it's okay if you don't watch it. Oh and yeah you are right about hero hei I don't wanted to contradict you. He made so many useless videos on uzaki chan. Sorry if I am not clear btw, english is not my native language. |
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kaiki_fan_boy said: I thought the whole interspicies reviewers thing was funny tbh. It's not like having it number one on mal is gonna have any bad consequences. It's not that it being number one is causing issue. It's the way that Nux's fanbase ruined a big part of MAL's ecosystem and was just all around a nuisance to the general public, more specifically, anime watchers. And Nux fully knew this was gonna happen. But he doesn't care, since he just did it for the "lols". Despite it leading to actual harassments. kaiki_fan_boy said: Yeah nux is not exactly a family friendly youtuber but I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. His videos are fun and entertaning and when he is serious he makes good points. Having content talking about hentai or such things does not make his content bad imo. Nor do I believe it to be a bad thing. It isn't inherently negative to have content that isn't family friendly. However, that wasn't the point that was being made. The point that was being made was just how I mentioned earlier, they all follow the same formula of getting clicks with little to nothing to differentiate themselves. Highly sexualized and/or highly controversial. You can basically predict ahead of time what their next video is gonna be, that's how formulaic their content is. Most of these AniTubers feels like they have a hivemind of shared opinions. They tend to praise the same shows and bash the same shows. I can barely get a sense of their own unique taste. They're afraid of being outside the norm most of the time. Because they want their audience to have the same opinions as them. Which is why they make their opinions very safe ones. Like "Steins Gate good" or "SAO bad" and so on and so forth. kaiki_fan_boy said: But still I think nux just wants to have fun on his channel, there is no way to prove that and you can't prove the opposite either. So if you think that he is doing it for the views I understand. I don't doubt one bit that he wants to have fun on his channel. My problem is merely that I think his content is quite clearly made to reach a mass audience in order to generate views. How do you reach a mass audience you ask? Simple, highly sexualized content, because people are horny, and highly controversial content, because people like to be mad or watch other people be mad about stuff. I scrolled through about 30-40 of his videos and I didn't see a single one that I felt was original in either topic or content. It's just "I showed cursed hentai", already seen other creators do that. "Anime controversy", every single AniTuber talks about the ones he brings up as well. "Top 15 greatest animations", here have a list that is identical to the ten thousands similar lists you've seen before. And also a bunch of videos talking about the popular animes of the season like Redo of Healer. Like every other AniTuber in existence. I didn't see a single one that maybe brought up a hidden gem or talked about a topic that hasn't been discussed much. It's all just very formulaic. Like his channel was created by an AI. kaiki_fan_boy said: Btw just saying sometimes nux does some really good and serious videos like "no one understand yu yu hakusho". What I am gonna say is really cringe but this video actually means a lot to me. If you don't like nux I recommend it to you but it's very long so it's okay if you don't watch it. I do like Yu Yu Hakusho. But depending on how long it is, I might not be able to endure. kaiki_fan_boy said: Sorry if I am not clear btw, english is not my native language. Not a problem. |
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Avicebrons said: wait I am confused what harassement are you talking about ?kaiki_fan_boy said: I thought the whole interspicies reviewers thing was funny tbh. It's not like having it number one on mal is gonna have any bad consequences. It's not that it being number one is causing issue. It's the way that Nux's fanbase ruined a big part of MAL's ecosystem and was just all around a nuisance to the general public, more specifically, anime watchers. And Nux fully knew this was gonna happen. But he doesn't care, since he just did it for the "lols". Despite it leading to actual harassments. kaiki_fan_boy said: Yeah nux is not exactly a family friendly youtuber but I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. His videos are fun and entertaning and when he is serious he makes good points. Having content talking about hentai or such things does not make his content bad imo. Nor do I believe it to be a bad thing. It isn't inherently negative to have content that isn't family friendly. However, that wasn't the point that was being made. The point that was being made was just how I mentioned earlier, they all follow the same formula of getting clicks with little to nothing to differentiate themselves. Highly sexualized and/or highly controversial. You can basically predict ahead of time what their next video is gonna be, that's how formulaic their content is. Most of these AniTubers feels like they have a hivemind of shared opinions. They tend to praise the same shows and bash the same shows. I can barely get a sense of their own unique taste. They're afraid of being outside the norm most of the time. Because they want their audience to have the same opinions as them. Which is why they make their opinions very safe ones. Like "Steins Gate good" or "SAO bad" and so on and so forth. kaiki_fan_boy said: But still I think nux just wants to have fun on his channel, there is no way to prove that and you can't prove the opposite either. So if you think that he is doing it for the views I understand. I don't doubt one bit that he wants to have fun on his channel. My problem is merely that I think his content is quite clearly made to reach a mass audience in order to generate views. How do you reach a mass audience you ask? Simple, highly sexualized content, because people are horny, and highly controversial content, because people like to be mad or watch other people be mad about stuff. I scrolled through about 30-40 of his videos and I didn't see a single one that I felt was original in either topic or content. It's just "I showed cursed hentai", already seen other creators do that. "Anime controversy", every single AniTuber talks about the ones he brings up as well. "Top 15 greatest animations", here have a list that is identical to the ten thousands similar lists you've seen before. And also a bunch of videos talking about the popular animes of the season like Redo of Healer. Like every other AniTuber in existence. I didn't see a single one that maybe brought up a hidden gem or talked about a topic that hasn't been discussed much. It's all just very formulaic. Like his channel was created by an AI. kaiki_fan_boy said: Btw just saying sometimes nux does some really good and serious videos like "no one understand yu yu hakusho". What I am gonna say is really cringe but this video actually means a lot to me. If you don't like nux I recommend it to you but it's very long so it's okay if you don't watch it. I do like Yu Yu Hakusho. But depending on how long it is, I might not be able to endure. kaiki_fan_boy said: Sorry if I am not clear btw, english is not my native language. Not a problem. I do think you're mistaking about nux's content, he said himself that when making an analytic anime video he wants to do something that no one else did because if he just does the same shit as everyone else then what's the point. That's why he doesn't make a lot of analytic videos like he used to. I think the way nux work is that he will do some big video that he worked a lot on and in between he will make just fun videos. I don't think he just state safe opinions, I believe that he is honnest. There is nothing else to say I don't think I can change your mind. I still recommend the yu yu hakusho video which is 30 minutes long. I've watched nux for some time now, once again this is gonna be very cringe but when I have a bad day I can just watch a nux video and I'll feel better. His videos really did have a great impact in my life. As someone that can feel depressed really quickly the message that some of his videos had really did help me. So trust me when I say that, People don't watch his videos because they are horny or because they like to get mad. At least I don't. |
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on kaiki_fan_boy said: wait I am confused what harassement are you talking about ? There was harassment that came along with Nux's bombarding of Ishokuzo Reviewer. Directed at MAL staff and Funimation. Also I assume he doesn't even consider the amount of work he puts on the people maintaining the integrity of these sites when he does shit like this. Cause those people had a really bad day because of him. kaiki_fan_boy said: I do think you're mistaking about nux's content, he said himself that when making an analytic anime video he wants to do something that no one else did because if he just does the same shit as everyone else then what's the point. I agree, what would be the point. Yet he still manages to do basically the exact same thing that every other AniTuber in existence does. Like I mentioned. Scrolled through around 30-40 videos. Didn't see a single original one. kaiki_fan_boy said: I don't think he just state safe opinions, I believe that he is honnest. The thing with safe opinions is that they are in fact usually honest. But they're also widely accepted, hence why they're "safe". He wouldn't dare to have an honest opinion on something that wouldn't be considered "safe", because then that would create a disconnect with the audience. Pretty much all AniTubers share this mindset. kaiki_fan_boy said: I still recommend the yu yu hakusho video which is 30 minutes long. Might give it a watch. But I personally can't stand Nux's annoying voice. kaiki_fan_boy said: I've watched nux for some time now, once again this is gonna be very cringe but when I have a bad day I can just watch a nux video and I'll feel better. His videos really did have a great impact in my life. As someone that can feel depressed really quickly the message that some of his videos had really did help me. So trust me when I say that, People don't watch his videos because they are horny or because they like to get mad. At least I don't. That's great for you. And I am not telling people to NOT watch him. If they enjoy watching him, good for them. People are free to enjoy what they want without having it imposed by other people. I am not saying everybody who watches his videos are people who are horny and want to be mad or watch people be mad. What I'm saying is that it's an effective way to reach a mass audience, hence why the majority of his content is like that. |
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Avicebrons said: ok this is going to be my last post because I think we talked well enough.kaiki_fan_boy said: wait I am confused what harassement are you talking about ? There was harassment that came along with Nux's bombarding of Ishokuzo Reviewer. Directed at MAL staff and Funimation. Also I assume he doesn't even consider the amount of work he puts on the people maintaining the integrity of these sites when he does shit like this. Cause those people had a really bad day because of him. kaiki_fan_boy said: I do think you're mistaking about nux's content, he said himself that when making an analytic anime video he wants to do something that no one else did because if he just does the same shit as everyone else then what's the point. I agree, what would be the point. Yet he still manages to do basically the exact same thing that every other AniTuber in existence does. Like I mentioned. Scrolled through around 30-40 videos. Didn't see a single original one. kaiki_fan_boy said: I don't think he just state safe opinions, I believe that he is honnest. The thing with safe opinions is that they are in fact usually honest. But they're also widely accepted, hence why they're "safe". He wouldn't dare to have an honest opinion on something that wouldn't be considered "safe", because then that would create a disconnect with the audience. Pretty much all AniTubers share this mindset. kaiki_fan_boy said: I still recommend the yu yu hakusho video which is 30 minutes long. Might give it a watch. But I personally can't stand Nux's annoying voice. kaiki_fan_boy said: I've watched nux for some time now, once again this is gonna be very cringe but when I have a bad day I can just watch a nux video and I'll feel better. His videos really did have a great impact in my life. As someone that can feel depressed really quickly the message that some of his videos had really did help me. So trust me when I say that, People don't watch his videos because they are horny or because they like to get mad. At least I don't. That's great for you. And I am not telling people to NOT watch him. If they enjoy watching him, good for them. People are free to enjoy what they want without having it imposed by other people. I am not saying everybody who watches his videos are people who are horny and want to be mad or watch people be mad. What I'm saying is that it's an effective way to reach a mass audience, hence why the majority of his content is like that. So for the harassement, of course harassing people is a bad thing. But he never encouraged this, then he should just never have talked about funniemation because they got harassed because of that ? I disagree, he never even talked about the staff in his videos. There are people like that in every community sadly. You say that spamming 10s destroyed what a lot of people did but I think in the end it had a positive impact on the site since now bots can't influence the score and mal has rules against this kind of things. These new rules solved problems that would come later on no matter what so at least now they don't have to worry about it. On everything else I already gave my opinion. Thanks for being respectful, this was a nice discussion. I hope you have a nice day. |
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kaiki_fan_boy said: ok this is going to be my last post because I think we talked well enough. Yes, no need to respond to this. Merely want to respond to your last comments. kaiki_fan_boy said: So for the harassement, of course harassing people is a bad thing. But he never encouraged this, then he should just never have talked about funniemation because they got harassed because of that ? I disagree, he never even talked about the staff in his videos. He never encouraged that no. But he is fully capable of understanding his own influence. ANY Youtuber, not AniTuber, Youtuber, knows that sending their fanbase to do something on a massive scale will almost always result in chaos. He has ~1.5 million subscribers and he knows full well that intentionally sending them to influence the score on a certain site will create chaos. He may not be directly responsible for the people who harassed. But he is at the very least partly responsible for leading a movement that he had no chance of ever controlling. He understood what would happen, yet he did so anyways "for the lols". Which is just pretty toxic behavior on his part. kaiki_fan_boy said: but I think in the end it had a positive impact on the site since now bots can't influence the score and mal has rules against this kind of things. The ends don't justify the means. And this wasn't even his intention in the first place. Just because something slightly positive came out of it as a result, doesn't mean it excuses the means to which they got there. Especially if that wasn't their intention to begin with. All he wanted was to see a certain anime in the top place. He didn't care about the staff that would get massive amounts of work because of it. He didn't care about his fanbase going out of control and becoming toxic because of it. He only cared about entertainment for himself and his audience. kaiki_fan_boy said: Thanks for being respectful, this was a nice discussion. I hope you have a nice day. You too. Have a great day. |
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cchigu said: they look unprofessional but I don't think that they are garbage. They need to have really bad or high toxicity, abusive language and much more whereas this was a disappointment. I thought he will be like that but nah he is a low average.Peeti said: Watch his videos during the whole Ishuzoku shitshow.what did he do? It must be very abusive and disrespectful. |
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