Attack on Titan
| as an punishment for "criminal" Eldia. "living" as an immortal, only from instinct controlled creature, caught in a never ending nightmare. and as nice side effect for the Marleys, the titans were like jail guards for the people of paradies. |
animu007Feb 7, 2021 12:15 PM
| There's another purpose in that the titans on Paradis stop the Eldians in the walls from getting out. Also maybe they don't want to spend money on Eldian criminals and wait for a war |
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| It was to banish Eldians as punishment, and prevent the people on the island from escaping. Essentially a prison. |
| Yeah, it's pretty much a mix of punishment, sadism and control by fear; from that point of view, eldians in Marley are less likely to commit crimes if they are terrorized by the idea of becoming a mindless titan and being sent to Paradis, rather than simply dying and being freed from suffering. It's essentially the same device used by some christian ideologies with hell, a seemingly eternal prison of pain and torture as a threat for keeping control of people. |
| If I'm not mistaken, that was supposed to be (kind of) explained today by Yelena. I've seen the episode but without subs I can't give you a proper answer. But I can show you the manga panels in question. |
Symofoner said: Well you also have to remember that people tried to get outside the walls independent of the king's wishes. That was the whole point of the Survey Corps. They probably thought that sending titans to Paradis wouldn't be perceived as an attack because technically they're sending the king's own people. Also maybe the king didn't care because the titans also ended up making it harder for the walls to get attacked tooGoZha said: There's another purpose in that the titans on Paradis stop the Eldians in the walls from getting out. Also maybe they don't want to spend money on Eldian criminals and wait for a war Think about it. According to marleyan history they afraid of king of the wall because they have the ability to control all titan including wall titan. They afraid if the king will stampede the rest of the world with the wall titan. You need to remember that king of the wall left a massage before going to paradise that paradis will attack if outside world interfere them. They have no idea of king's pacifism Willy's declaration of war. Why bother sending them bunch more troops? |
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| They knew, Willy Tybur announced it in public, but the top layer in Marley knew about the status of Paradis society. They sent titans to keep them within the walls and to punish their own Eldians, also to control them by fear. |
| Is it a waste of time and money? Not really. They’re basically sending them to their deaths. Mindless titans can’t revert back to human form unless they eat a shifter. They aren’t really a threat. I’d say it’s more of a use of time and money. The world wants Eldians to be eradicated, and they’ll come up with pretty much any excuse, including being sent to paradise. They’re getting rid of Eldians which is what they want. Marley would much rather see them wiped out then being used to further themselves. At least that’s what I think. You can consider it punishment as well. |
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| Look @Symofoner, they found it for you in the source, check the spoiler. MagnumOpus27 said: If I'm not mistaken, that was supposed to be (kind of) explained today by Yelena. I've seen the episode but without subs I can't give you a proper answer. But I can show you the manga panels in question. And, it is a plot hole, because, for the Gods sake, for 100 years the Marleans know that the Fritz bloodline with the Cordinate CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH MINDLESS TITANS. So, if they order them to dont eat eldians, they will obey. If the Fritz order them to cross the ocean back and attack the Marleans, they would obey. The only way to what Yelena said NOT be a plot hole is: the Marleans started this in aliance with the interest of King Fritz of 100 years ago. |
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Rob7 said: Yeah, they said that in Seasons 4 Episode 5. The top brass in Marley are completely aware that King Fritz is going to do jack shit to fight back due to the Renouncement of War pledge. That was the whole point of the play. Like it is literally spelled out that Marley, the Tyburs, and King Fritz had an agreement in place for this exact situation.Look @Symofoner, they found it for you in the source, check the spoiler. MagnumOpus27 said: If I'm not mistaken, that was supposed to be (kind of) explained today by Yelena. I've seen the episode but without subs I can't give you a proper answer. But I can show you the manga panels in question. And, it is a plot hole, because, for the Gods sake, for 100 years the Marleans know that the Fritz bloodline with the Cordinate CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH MINDLESS TITANS. So, if they order them to dont eat eldians, they will obey. If the Fritz order them to cross the ocean back and attack the Marleans, they would obey. The only way to what Yelena said NOT be a plot hole is: the Marleans started this in aliance with the interest of King Fritz of 100 years ago. |
darkstom248 said: Rob7 said: Yeah, they said that in Seasons 4 Episode 5. The top brass in Marley are completely aware that King Fritz is going to do jack shit to fight back due to the Renouncement of War pledge. That was the whole point of the play. Like it is literally spelled out that Marley, the Tyburs, and King Fritz had an agreement in place for this exact situation.Look @Symofoner, they found it for you in the source, check the spoiler. And, it is a plot hole, because, for the Gods sake, for 100 years the Marleans know that the Fritz bloodline with the Cordinate CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH MINDLESS TITANS. So, if they order them to dont eat eldians, they will obey. If the Fritz order them to cross the ocean back and attack the Marleans, they would obey. The only way to what Yelena said NOT be a plot hole is: the Marleans started this in aliance with the interest of King Fritz of 100 years ago. Marley aware of that? as far as i know, the only people who know about the pledge are tybur and king inside the wall. If they knew about the pledge then there's no reason to send kids as a spy to paradis.. -_-. They can just kill them with full power. |
Symofoner said: They didn't send them to spy originally. They were supposed to go in, grab the Founder, and get out. The spying was purely because they couldn't find the Founder due to it being stolen by Grisha Jeager and Reiner insisting that they stay. They couldn't send a full military assault due to the other wars they were in at the time using the majority of their resources. The King not fighting is the only reason they feel it's ok to send a bunch of kids to do the dirty work. They just didn't expect one of them to get eaten an hour and a half into the mission.darkstom248 said: Yeah, they said that in Seasons 4 Episode 5. The top brass in Marley are completely aware that King Fritz is going to do jack shit to fight back due to the Renouncement of War pledge. That was the whole point of the play. Like it is literally spelled out that Marley, the Tyburs, and King Fritz had an agreement in place for this exact situation. Marley aware of that? as far as i know, the only people who know about the pledge are tybur and king inside the wall. If they knew about the pledge then there's no reason to send kids as a spy to paradis.. -_-. They can just kill them with full power. |
Symofoner said: darkstom248 said: Yeah, they said that in Seasons 4 Episode 5. The top brass in Marley are completely aware that King Fritz is going to do jack shit to fight back due to the Renouncement of War pledge. That was the whole point of the play. Like it is literally spelled out that Marley, the Tyburs, and King Fritz had an agreement in place for this exact situation. Marley aware of that? as far as i know, the only people who know about the pledge are tybur and king inside the wall. If they knew about the pledge then there's no reason to send kids as a spy to paradis.. -_-. They can just kill them with full power. Well if the Tybur family knew. Marley wouldn't since the Tybur family is controlling Marley behind the scenes. |
darkstom248 said: Symofoner said: They didn't send them to spy originally. They were supposed to go in, grab the Founder, and get out. The spying was purely because they couldn't find the Founder due to it being stolen by Grisha Jeager and Reiner insisting that they stay. They couldn't send a full military assault due to the other wars they were in at the time using the majority of their resources. The King not fighting is the only reason they feel it's ok to send a bunch of kids to do the dirty work. They just didn't expect one of them to get eaten an hour and a half into the mission.Marley aware of that? as far as i know, the only people who know about the pledge are tybur and king inside the wall. If they knew about the pledge then there's no reason to send kids as a spy to paradis.. -_-. They can just kill them with full power. That wont work. First, they dont know about it being stolen by Grisha. Second, they weren't at war as far as i know. The war that being shown in season 4 was because their loss againt paradis island. But yeah they can be attacked when they send full power to paradis. But then again.. if they aware of king's pacifism then why didnt they order reiner squad to just breach all the way to the most inside wall? Reiner could breach all the way within less than a month, and let all mindless titan eat all human inside the wall. If one of the mindless titan occasionally eat the founding titan then it'll shift back to human. They could easily extract that person back to their homeland. |
| @Symofoner Rob7 said: Except it's not a plot hole. King Fritz was never gonna do anything. And neither was Marley. The top brass at Marley, of which includes Willy who governs the country, was well aware that King Fritz was never gonna stop the titans nor use them for war. Willy f*cking said that in episode 5.Look @Symofoner, they found it for you in the source, check the spoiler. MagnumOpus27 said: If I'm not mistaken, that was supposed to be (kind of) explained today by Yelena. I've seen the episode but without subs I can't give you a proper answer. But I can show you the manga panels in question. And, it is a plot hole, because, for the Gods sake, for 100 years the Marleans know that the Fritz bloodline with the Cordinate CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH MINDLESS TITANS. So, if they order them to dont eat eldians, they will obey. If the Fritz order them to cross the ocean back and attack the Marleans, they would obey. The only way to what Yelena said NOT be a plot hole is: the Marleans started this in aliance with the interest of King Fritz of 100 years ago. If anything, you can, at best, consider this a gamble on Marley's part because they decided to believe the King. And the Tybur's believed because they were there when promises were made. And even if this explanation was inconsistent, it still wouldn't be a plot hole. It would be a plot convinience. Plot holes are occurrence in the story that contradicts logic or previously established events in the story. This one doesn't in any way do that. |
Symofoner said: And that's exactly why it took them years to found the Founding Titan. They first invaded the walls to see what the King would do in response and then to get out as fast as possible. Since the King did nothing and they found nothing at first, Annie was put in charge of spying on the nobles and the royal family. And she did found out about the Founding Titan had being stolen and that the king being a fake. Annie proposed for them to leave and tell Marley all the info that they had gathered during their operation. But Reiner said no. Reiner was the one who decided to keep moving forward instead of going back to Marley and let them know. He basically made all the calls for their next plans.First, they dont know about it being stolen by Grisha. Symofoner said: You do realise that the size of the 3 walls is equivalent to the area of modern France right? They had no idea where the titan was or who even had it and their future plans for it. And that was asking for you to be killed too since you'd have no supplies. Marley only visited the shores of Paradis once a month during a full moon so if you were gonna do something that stupid, you better have a great plan to time your escape. And I personally doubt any of the shifters would be able to run back to the port in 1 or 2 goes. They'd need a 3rd and maybe even a 4th shifter or they'd either be eaten or take a good amount of days to reach the shore.Reiner could breach all the way within less than a month, and let all mindless titan eat all human inside the wall. If one of the mindless titan occasionally eat the founding titan then it'll shift back to human. They could easily extract that person back to their homeland. |
viriato181Feb 7, 2021 3:53 PM
Symofoner said: Exactly, they don't know it was stolen, that's why they go to spying. They thought they'd just be able to show up and the Founding Titan would show up so they could grab it. But then it didn't show up.darkstom248 said: They didn't send them to spy originally. They were supposed to go in, grab the Founder, and get out. The spying was purely because they couldn't find the Founder due to it being stolen by Grisha Jeager and Reiner insisting that they stay. They couldn't send a full military assault due to the other wars they were in at the time using the majority of their resources. The King not fighting is the only reason they feel it's ok to send a bunch of kids to do the dirty work. They just didn't expect one of them to get eaten an hour and a half into the mission. That wont work. First, they dont know about it being stolen by Grisha. Second, they weren't at war as far as i know. The war that being shown in season 4 was because their loss againt paradis island. But yeah they can be attacked when they send full power to paradis. But then again.. if they aware of king's pacifism then why didnt they order reiner squad to just breach all the way to the most inside wall? Reiner could breach all the way within less than a month, and let all mindless titan eat all human inside the wall. If one of the mindless titan occasionally eat the founding titan then it'll shift back to human. They could easily extract that person back to their homeland. For the wars, that is partially the fault of the anime for leaving a few minor details that were in the manga out. Marley has constantly been in a state of war for a long time, this was alluded to by Magath and Willy Tybur's conversation in episode 4 of this season. They were in a pretty big war at the time they sent the Warrior group over to Paradis and couldn't spare the troops to support them. And I mean, they could have destroyed all the walls in a short period but then they would've had to fight back through all the titans that swarmed into them. They had a hard enough time just getting out of Wall Maria in season 2, and that's after years of the titans have thinned a bit by moving into the larger area of Wall Maria and getting killed by the scouts. And it would've been useless as they still would have absolutely no idea where the Founding Titan was to grab it. |
Symofoner said: darkstom248 said: They didn't send them to spy originally. They were supposed to go in, grab the Founder, and get out. The spying was purely because they couldn't find the Founder due to it being stolen by Grisha Jeager and Reiner insisting that they stay. They couldn't send a full military assault due to the other wars they were in at the time using the majority of their resources. The King not fighting is the only reason they feel it's ok to send a bunch of kids to do the dirty work. They just didn't expect one of them to get eaten an hour and a half into the mission. That wont work. First, they dont know about it being stolen by Grisha. Second, they weren't at war as far as i know. The war that being shown in season 4 was because their loss againt paradis island. But yeah they can be attacked when they send full power to paradis. But then again.. if they aware of king's pacifism then why didnt they order reiner squad to just breach all the way to the most inside wall? Reiner could breach all the way within less than a month, and let all mindless titan eat all human inside the wall. If one of the mindless titan occasionally eat the founding titan then it'll shift back to human. They could easily extract that person back to their homeland. Marley didn't know that Fritz was a pacifist, until the Tybur speech. They thought he had been defeated during the Great Titan War by a now-fabricated Marleyan hero called Helos, who was then forced to flee to Paradis Island with some of his people. He then supposedly warned Marley not to attack, otherwise he would unleash the titans within the walls. This is why Reiner, Bertholdt and Annie attacked and then infiltrated. They wanted to find out who he was, and then flush him out. Eren, Reiner and Tybur covered all of this during their respective conversations in Episode 5. |
darkstom248 said: Symofoner said: Exactly, they don't know it was stolen, that's why they go to spying. They thought they'd just be able to show up and the Founding Titan would show up so they could grab it. But then it didn't show up.That wont work. First, they dont know about it being stolen by Grisha. Second, they weren't at war as far as i know. The war that being shown in season 4 was because their loss againt paradis island. But yeah they can be attacked when they send full power to paradis. But then again.. if they aware of king's pacifism then why didnt they order reiner squad to just breach all the way to the most inside wall? Reiner could breach all the way within less than a month, and let all mindless titan eat all human inside the wall. If one of the mindless titan occasionally eat the founding titan then it'll shift back to human. They could easily extract that person back to their homeland. For the wars, that is partially the fault of the anime for leaving a few minor details that were in the manga out. Marley has constantly been in a state of war for a long time, this was alluded to by Magath and Willy Tybur's conversation in episode 4 of this season. They were in a pretty big war at the time they sent the Warrior group over to Paradis and couldn't spare the troops to support them. And I mean, they could have destroyed all the walls in a short period but then they would've had to fight back through all the titans that swarmed into them. They had a hard enough time just getting out of Wall Maria in season 2, and that's after years of the titans have thinned a bit by moving into the larger area of Wall Maria and getting killed by the scouts. And it would've been useless as they still would have absolutely no idea where the Founding Titan was to grab it. "They were in a pretty big war at the time they sent the Warrior group over to Paradis and couldn't spare the troops to support them" Which chapter? i might miss that one. I've read till the most recent chapter so dont worry of spoiling me. |
xenosys said: Symofoner said: That wont work. First, they dont know about it being stolen by Grisha. Second, they weren't at war as far as i know. The war that being shown in season 4 was because their loss againt paradis island. But yeah they can be attacked when they send full power to paradis. But then again.. if they aware of king's pacifism then why didnt they order reiner squad to just breach all the way to the most inside wall? Reiner could breach all the way within less than a month, and let all mindless titan eat all human inside the wall. If one of the mindless titan occasionally eat the founding titan then it'll shift back to human. They could easily extract that person back to their homeland. Marley didn't know that Fritz was a pacifist, until the Tybur speech. They thought he had been defeated during the Great Titan War by a now-fabricated Marleyan hero called Helos, who was then forced to flee to Paradis Island with some of his people. He then supposedly warned Marley not to attack, otherwise he would unleash the titans within the walls. This is why Reiner, Bertholdt and Annie attacked and then infiltrated. They wanted to find out who he was, and then flush him out. Eren, Reiner and Tybur covered all of this during their respective conversations in Episode 5. The best explanation i can produce is that the one who made a policy to send criminals to paradis is Tyburs because they rule Marleyan, and maybe they have an agreement to send mindless titan to Paradis island to keep them from going outside. The reason Marley's military didnt attack Paradis because they didnt know about king's pledge. And Tyburs let their military power is controlled by Marleyan. Will that answer the question? |
MagnumOpus27 said: @Symofoner Rob7 said: Except it's not a plot hole. King Fritz was never gonna do anything. And neither was Marley. The top brass at Marley, of which includes Willy who governs the country, was well aware that King Fritz was never gonna stop the titans nor use them for war. Willy f*cking said that in episode 5.Look @Symofoner, they found it for you in the source, check the spoiler. And, it is a plot hole, because, for the Gods sake, for 100 years the Marleans know that the Fritz bloodline with the Cordinate CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH MINDLESS TITANS. So, if they order them to dont eat eldians, they will obey. If the Fritz order them to cross the ocean back and attack the Marleans, they would obey. The only way to what Yelena said NOT be a plot hole is: the Marleans started this in aliance with the interest of King Fritz of 100 years ago. If anything, you can, at best, consider this a gamble on Marley's part because they decided to believe the King. And the Tybur's believed because they were there when promises were made. And even if this explanation was inconsistent, it still wouldn't be a plot hole. It would be a plot convinience. Plot holes are occurrence in the story that contradicts logic or previously established events in the story. This one doesn't in any way do that. Just trying to up this because most of you ignores this so you can keep "doubting" |
Symofoner said: xenosys said: Marley didn't know that Fritz was a pacifist, until the Tybur speech. They thought he had been defeated during the Great Titan War by a now-fabricated Marleyan hero called Helos, who was then forced to flee to Paradis Island with some of his people. He then supposedly warned Marley not to attack, otherwise he would unleash the titans within the walls. This is why Reiner, Bertholdt and Annie attacked and then infiltrated. They wanted to find out who he was, and then flush him out. Eren, Reiner and Tybur covered all of this during their respective conversations in Episode 5. The best explanation i can produce is that the one who made a policy to send criminals to paradis is Tyburs because they rule Marleyan, and maybe they have an agreement to send mindless titan to Paradis island to keep them from going outside. The reason Marley's military didnt attack Paradis because they didnt know about king's pledge. And Tyburs let their military power is controlled by Marleyan. Will that answer the question? Yes it is, it's literally was explained really simple yk. |
KingFlochForster said: Symofoner said: The best explanation i can produce is that the one who made a policy to send criminals to paradis is Tyburs because they rule Marleyan, and maybe they have an agreement to send mindless titan to Paradis island to keep them from going outside. The reason Marley's military didnt attack Paradis because they didnt know about king's pledge. And Tyburs let their military power is controlled by Marleyan. Will that answer the question? Yes it is, it's literally was explained really simple yk. Make a counter argument, please. The question is originally from one of the hater of AoT which is my brother. I can't came up with any convincing solution so i seek for guidance from this forum LOL. |
Symofoner said: Make a counter argument, please. The question is originally from one of the hater of AoT which is my brother. I can't came up with any convincing solution so i seek for guidance from this forum LOL. For what? The series or its manga already countered your argument, if you really pay attention you wouldnt ask this kind of thing, neither your delusional brother(i dont mean it literally). You trying too hard to decline other explanations which perfectly summarized the plot youre assuming to be a messed up part. I dont think i need to make another one, there's literally a lot of peoples were already explained it to you. You need a guidance, right? Why dont you ask about "exact chapters" talking about that, know what's the canon reason, and accept it. |
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| To trap paradis,but when they want to retrieve the founder,one warrior is dead because of the titans they made marley is dumb lmao |
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