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AbeldeMedici said: apparentlyi misread the name and took it wrong! Gomen!HelpMeFindAnime said: Why is everyone's focus on the war-aspect of the episode, and not on the fact that Gin was in love with Takako? Sadly, the ship sank before it could even sail. Good that you said that, because I just saw the episode again and suddenly asked myself a question: Where is Shirase's father? The only relative of hers we ever see is her grandmother. Could it be that Gin and Takako were a couple? That would explain why Takako left them alone so often and her words about wanting that Gin left some impression on Shirase. Of course she could just be a single mom, but this theory may be possible as well. This time I realized no issue with the WW2 reference. I suppose the first time just caught me by surprise given the light-hearted nature of the story. Kirito_online said: Her mother is alive that filled my heart with happiness beyond words I cried so many times when she's missing her mother how she died and how she's alone, but now YES thank god she's somewhere there alive and well and I can't wait to see them reunited. What? You mean the scene where she talks about the sky being beautiful? That was a flashback. But what about that scene in the flashback where she said the sky is beautiful doesn't that mean she was fine at the time I mean how can she speak normally in such a blizzard? |
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Kirito_online said: AbeldeMedici said: I just think that her mother found some way to survive in Antarctica and messaged them as soon as they reached her prob, I'm just making assumptions here from the end scene!Good that you said that, because I just saw the episode again and suddenly asked myself a question: Where is Shirase's father? The only relative of hers we ever see is her grandmother. Could it be that Gin and Takako were a couple? That would explain why Takako left them alone so often and her words about wanting that Gin left some impression on Shirase. Of course she could just be a single mom, but this theory may be possible as well. This time I realized no issue with the WW2 reference. I suppose the first time just caught me by surprise given the light-hearted nature of the story. What? You mean the scene where she talks about the sky being beautiful? That was a flashback. ... Sorry to break your heart, but that mail was from Tamiko, Yuzu's mother. Yeah, the name is similar to Takako. |
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megaload said: @AbeldeMedici Well, Shirase still has that million yen, right? She can slap it IN THEIR FACE. Do you think it will be enough? It's about 9 345 USD or 7 644 EUR. Maybe not ^^' Guess they'll have to do a photoshoot with penguins in that case. That would explain why Hinata had her bikini on the opening XD |
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AbeldeMedici said: But what about that scene in the flashback where she said the sky is beautiful doesn't that mean she was fine at the time I mean how can she speak normally in such a blizzard?Kirito_online said: I just think that her mother found some way to survive in Antarctica and messaged them as soon as they reached her prob, I'm just making assumptions here from the end scene! ... Sorry to break your heart, but that mail was from Tamiko, Yuzu's mother. Yeah, the name is similar to Takako. |
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Kirito_online said: AbeldeMedici said: But what about that scene in the flashback where she said the sky is beautiful doesn't that mean she was fine at the time I mean how can she speak normally in such a blizzard?... Sorry to break your heart, but that mail was from Tamiko, Yuzu's mother. Yeah, the name is similar to Takako. Well, that was 3 years ago... I mean, yes, she could be alive until we haven't been told otherwise, but all hints to the opposite direction. |
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| This has probably been the most boring episode for me so far... BUT IT WAS STILL A DAMN GOOD EPISODE, with some good feels as the girls finally take their first step and it turns out... Antarctica is really cold. |
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| if her mom still alive we can call her Captain America.. oh wait it's Japan... |
AbeldeMedici said: let's hope smth like "she made but remained in there waiting for her daughter" or smth that include the fact that she's alive is what mattersKirito_online said: But what about that scene in the flashback where she said the sky is beautiful doesn't that mean she was fine at the time I mean how can she speak normally in such a blizzard? Well, that was 3 years ago... I mean, yes, she could be alive until we haven't been told otherwise, but all hints to the opposite direction. (I can't stand to see Shirase cry no more😭) |
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Kirito_online said: AbeldeMedici said: But what about that scene in the flashback where she said the sky is beautiful doesn't that mean she was fine at the time I mean how can she speak normally in such a blizzard?... Sorry to break your heart, but that mail was from Tamiko, Yuzu's mother. Yeah, the name is similar to Takako. Just before the message we see members of the expedition outside searching for her, and we see that the storm is over! But the search would still be very difficult as all tracks would have covered. When the message comes through Takako sounded very weak and I sign up to the theory that it could be her last words! ;_; The email from Yuzukis mother could be as harmless as congratulations or as bad as due to ratings the company are pulling funds. Although they're almost there (the girls were on ice not land when the ship was taking a break) so I don't know how that would affect things. They could just carry on, but have a massive debt to pay when they get home. |
D1tchd1gger said: this sounds depressingly bad Kirito_online said: But what about that scene in the flashback where she said the sky is beautiful doesn't that mean she was fine at the time I mean how can she speak normally in such a blizzard? Just before the message we see members of the expedition outside searching for her, and we see that the storm is over! But the search would still be very difficult as all tracks would have covered. When the message comes through Takako sounded very weak and I sign up to the theory that it could be her last words! ;_; The email from Yuzukis mother could be as harmless as congratulations or as bad as due to ratings the company are pulling funds. Although they're almost there (the girls were on ice not land when the ship was taking a break) so I don't know how that would affect things. They could just carry on, but have a massive debt to pay when they get home. Let's hope the future holds the solution And holds the better impossible ones too! |
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megaload said: Eventually she is pulling the plug and the expedition must stop even before stepping on the continent. I doubt they're in any need of further funding at this point, it's not like they have any way to spend money before the return trip, so any supplies they would need for Antarctica should already be on the ship. |
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Kirito_online said: D1tchd1gger said: this sounds depressingly bad Just before the message we see members of the expedition outside searching for her, and we see that the storm is over! But the search would still be very difficult as all tracks would have covered. When the message comes through Takako sounded very weak and I sign up to the theory that it could be her last words! ;_; The email from Yuzukis mother could be as harmless as congratulations or as bad as due to ratings the company are pulling funds. Although they're almost there (the girls were on ice not land when the ship was taking a break) so I don't know how that would affect things. They could just carry on, but have a massive debt to pay when they get home. Let's hope the future holds the solution And holds the better impossible ones too! I think if the email is bad news they will overcome it, pretty much the message of the show. Unfortunately death is one hurdle too far, but I hope Shirase gets the closure she needs. |
Tacsk0 said: AbeldeMedici said: Of course I'm talking from the position of someone whose country wasn't involved in the war nor has ever experienced a war... That's impossible. Even Lichtenstein was militarily invaded by Switzerland 3x during the last century (although by accident / due to misunderstanding every time). Apparently there is also a caribbean small island republic that has abolished its military wholesale and only keep a police force. They think they are not worth an invasion / war and the lack of military force prevents any coup d'etat. In the second part I meant I, personally, have not experienced a war. English isn't my mother tongue so maybe I made a mistake. I'll redo the sentence: "Of course I'm talking from the position of someone whose country wasn't involved in the war, nor have I ever experienced a war..." |
AbeldeMediciFeb 28, 2018 5:16 AM
| "The world appears wonderful in the eyes of wonderful people." (Alicia Florence, ARIA) |
| This anime, which in the previews prior to the season start seemed so blase, continues to hit the nail on the head each and every week! I thinks its been a long time since I've seen a combined coming of age/ adventure anime. I am really hoping that they will finish out the season strong and not fumble on the goal line. |
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| Wow! I had never seen an icebreaker in action, interesting! The episode was nice to watch and the characters, too. Shirase's outburst was more than understandable, and does not betray the character. The narrative seemed to me more than adequate, without ever exaggerating it with the seriousness that with the comedy. |
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| Great episode, a lot of feels man. This is one of the best series this season. |
animefan8800 said: Landfall at last! But first, a brief shoe-horned in love story and addressing the elephant in the room that is Takako. You know, the show clearly isn't trying to make me think this way but it has done a piss poor job of making her likeable so far. She left her young daughter when it wasn't 100% necessary and presumably died. Great mother right there. Well we still got a few episodes left for the show to get me to change my mind. Meanwhile, what could the mail from Yuzuki's mom portend? Um, most people don't go to Antarctica expecting to die. This isn't the arctic, there's no polar bears, just penguins and ice. You can literally take tourism trips down to the Antarctic, it is generally expected to be safe, so no, there's no reason to suggest she's a bad mother for an accidental workplace death, that's absurd. She surely cared about her child and hopefully we get to see more of some flashbacks of her together with Shirase. Also, to all the people complaining about "nationalism".... really? There's nothing wrong with a little bit of national pride, it wasn't an excuse to forgive Japanese atrocities during the war. It was simply an example of her comrades making the best of a poor situation. The kid understanding it as "bullying" is pretty fair without much historical context on the war, as she's generations distanced from it. If "Team America" can exist, then surely a bit of Japanese inspiration is fine. Anyway, another great episode, still hasn't topped my favourite of episode 2, but pretty fantastic nonetheless. I look forward to the Antarctic adventures portion of our story now, and worry for Shirase who will inevitably do something stupid for her mother and give Gin a chance to redeem herself by saving Takako's daughter (not that she was wrong in the first place). I think we're in for a fantastic finish, and if it sticks the landing, this could easily pass Shirobako for my favourite anime of all time. Loving it. |
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RealityRush said: animefan8800 said: Landfall at last! But first, a brief shoe-horned in love story and addressing the elephant in the room that is Takako. You know, the show clearly isn't trying to make me think this way but it has done a piss poor job of making her likeable so far. She left her young daughter when it wasn't 100% necessary and presumably died. Great mother right there. Well we still got a few episodes left for the show to get me to change my mind. Meanwhile, what could the mail from Yuzuki's mom portend? Um, most people don't go to Antarctica expecting to die. This isn't the arctic, there's no polar bears, just penguins and ice. You can literally take tourism trips down to the Antarctic, it is generally expected to be safe, so no, there's no reason to suggest she's a bad mother for an accidental workplace death, that's absurd. She surely cared about her child and hopefully we get to see more of some flashbacks of her together with Shirase. Agree to disagree. ;) |
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jal90 said: Rosny said: I wasn't going to comment anything because I didn't want to make a mountain out of a mole-hill. But I'm glad that other people mentioned this as well, it's good to know I'm not alone in that opinion. Maybe I should, as unpopular and out of place it is. It's kinda funny, the vibe in the middle of this otherwise optimistic show to suddenly inject some history about how Japan was being bullied. I just find that really out of place and passive aggressive, but it was handled really well on their part. It is a fact that they were being discriminated against. That being said, I just don't like it. And how they spun it to how "they're picking on us, but we're awesome and gonna show them wrong". Good message but like all good nationalistic viewpoints, they're gonna only focus on the aspects that don't make them look like an ass. Which is what they did here, anyone unstudied in history is gonna walk away thinking, "oh damn, poor guys, why are they being picked on." When your country was a collective douche, no-one likes you. But somehow, we, the bullied, are meant to act above and beyond saints and not act hostile against an aggressor who left millions dead and the unbearably obvious lie to 'free the asian countries'. Sounds awfully similar to the US freedom slogans and now look at those countries being helped. Well at least US soldiers are held accountable such as the photos emerging from POW camps and rape cases. Japan had a newspaper printout of which officer could decapitate the most civilians. Nice. Totally unnecessary to write in, but since they decided to mention it, just why did they feel the need to pine about being bullied when they raped their way down near to India, committing all sorts of crimes against humanity. Committing live human experimentation, practicing chemical weapons such as bubonic plague on millions of people. Death marches, live bayonet practices, largescale rape, racial superiority impunity, because they're the enemy, absolute cruelty is okay. The Japanese made the Nazis look like kindergardeners, their cruelty harks back to Genghis Khan. But again, understandable, considering their cultural viewpoint and history teaching, but not acceptable. I'm not trying to pass the blame unto the current generation, but I'm not okay with them trying to act like they were just being picked on for losing the war e.g. Germans after WWI. It's not that simple. That being said, having a can-do attitude is awesome, especially once hatreds die down, working together again with one another E.g. JAXA and NASA. I don't want to dismiss your post which I find in general very agreeable, but it REALLY comes down to the characters being: 1. Children 2. From a generation that is far distanced from that conflict, as seen by how they describe the war: "they won so we were bullied with the worst territory in the Antarctica :(" Bringing historical perspective to a casual commentary thrown by kids who do not know better doesn't sound right, and assuming that the naïve, reductionist and decontextualized reactions of these characters really has any serious meaning as a political message is, I think, underestimating the show pretty heavily and the reach it has defined for its characters. Sora yori is not a vouch for Japanese nationalism, it is an intimate story of blossoming friendship and adventure. "Sora yori is not a vouch for Japanese nationalism, it is an intimate story of blossoming friendship and adventure." Finally somebody get it in the middle of all this hystorical debate. Thank you |
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Tacsk0 said: RealityRush said: Um, most people don't go to Antarctica expecting to die. This isn't the arctic, there's no polar bears, just penguins and ice. You can literally take tourism trips down to the Antarctic, it is generally expected to be safe, so no, there's no reason to suggest she's a bad mother for an accidental workplace death, that's absurd. Huh... Do you realize the MC's mother took part in a winter-time Antartic expedition? That means no sunlight at all for 5 months and such extreme colds with constant windstorm that any kind of rescue is impossible, as planes just can't land. In the recent few years alone two over-wintering resident female doctors died of breast cancer in Antarctica. One was untreatable by the time sping arrived and she could be evacuated. The next one performed byposia on herself and based on the dire diagnosis, she was evacuated in a daring rescue flight with night vision goggles, I read the specially modified ambulance airplane was escorted by 4 other search-and-rescue planes, should they crash. She still died despite treatment, apparently there are a lot of cosmic radiation particles falling out at the poles due to the Earth's magnetic field and that's not healthy. Tourists always visit Antartica during the local summer time and only for a few days or a week and they stay near the shore, so they don't experience the lethality of the inner regions, especially during the winter period. In the 1970s a large jetliner crashed into the tallest mountain of Antartica on a sight-seeing flight, due to nav error and the wreck with the bodies is still left there. It is simply impossible to remove that much material from there without an outright army mission that would cost billions of dollars. A polar bear is least of your worries, considering modern firearms. The main problem is, Antartica is insanely isolated from any "normal" land, while in contrast you can make easy jumps towards the North Pole, starting from Norway or Alaska and re-supplying at the Spitzbergen or Franz Joseph Land before the final dash. You can actually make it to the very North Pole on a russian nuclear icebreaker without ever leaving the comfort of your cabin. I mean, alright fair enough, didn't realize it was that bad, but regardless, she didn't go there expecting to die and abandon her kid, and the other guy calling her a bad mother for it is pretty ridiculous. People take calculated risks all the time, with and without kids, that doesn't make them bad parents. |
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iwatooshi said: In regards to the war talk in this episode; what bothered me wasn't the dialogue between the girls and Kanae (although Kanae just waving the girls' rationalization as "yeah, kinda like that" was nothing praiseworthy but then again, maybe she just didn't want to go into it) so much as the fact that the rest of the crew joining Shirase's "IN YOUR FACE". In Shirase's case it's glorious because of what happened to her at school; the crew joining not long after the aforementioned dialogue felt a bit too much like the two things were connected. Like, "In your face, world, we still got here despite you giving us the worst piece of Antarctica". Of course, this is a matter of interpretation, I guess; they could be referring to their non-sponsors or to the people who didn't think the expedition would happen. Meh, didn't really spoil my enjoyment, though the whole thing did feel a little out of place. Also, I don't really want Shirase's mom to be alive. I feel like it'd be harder to keep the story in the same quality level if they decide to go down that road. Also the way she talked in the radio made me think she was in her last moments and was no longer thinking straight. It was definitly the latter. They were responding to the same people shirase was. the people who said it was impossible. |
Tacsk0 said: You can actually make it to the very North Pole on a russian nuclear icebreaker without ever leaving the comfort of your cabin. A British TV show had a couple of middle age men drive to the North Pole in a Toyota Hilux! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear%3A_Polar_Special?wprov=sfla1 |
| The whole love-struck Toshio plot aside, this will definitely end up being one of my favorite episodes. The girls finally setting foot on Antarctica and their defiant "in your face!" got me closest to tearing up so far in the series. Not to say I haven't come sorta close in prior eps (which is something, as I've only legit teared up for an anime once)... On the whole history/nationalism thing, I'm kinda baffled that it's ruffled feathers, as what was in this episode is awfully tepid as far as nationalism goes (especially compared to forms found in comtemporary US). It would be an entirely other thing if they'd been apologists for Japan's conduct during the war or something, but what's referred to here is their treatment POST-war which, imo, they have a reason to be indignant over. Either way, really enjoyed this ep and I'm gonna miss this series when it's over. Will very likely go down as one my favorite SoL/Adventure shows. |
bibotot said: PLOT TWIST AHEAD: This anime is the prequel to The Thing and the girls will soon be facing shape-shifting aliens. I forget the episode number, but the one during Shirase's and Mari's last day at school before leaving, a classmate says something like "Didn't they find a UFO buried in the ice there?". Would be incredible if that was more than just a reference, but I don't have the heart to wish for that sort of tone-change and ending lol... |
animefan8800 said: Landfall at last! But first, a brief shoe-horned in love story and addressing the elephant in the room that is Takako. You know, the show clearly isn't trying to make me think this way but it has done a piss poor job of making her likeable so far. She left her young daughter when it wasn't 100% necessary and presumably died. Great mother right there. Well we still got a few episodes left for the show to get me to change my mind. Meanwhile, what could the mail from Yuzuki's mom portend? By your logic, almost ALL people (scientists, technicians, etc.) that have ever risked their lives and went to Antarctica or any other place with extreme and|or unpredictable natural conditions are terrible parents, because, what a surprise, 95% of them have families, children and close relatives. |
AlexandepFeb 28, 2018 11:28 PM
| Does anybody know if it has been said whether the story ends with this season or not? Not only that I'd like more of it, but mainly becuase 4 episodes seem like a pretty thin margin to end the story... and a rushed ending is the last thing this show deserves. Also, since it seems that some people here have technical knowledge about ships... Could someone explain me what happens when they're breaking the ice and the ship "sprouts" something (water I assume)? Not that I need to know it but I'm curious. |
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Lelouch0202 said: ohh yeaa baby they brought it all this eps little bit of happy and sad moments, enjoyed the interactions between gin and shirai glad their slowly communicating and omga that ending thoFantastic episode again. I started laughin when that guy came up to Shirase and was like Suki desuu. XDD Shirase's reaction that was absolute gold. xD We even got a little blush from Gin during the interview, good good. XD I loved the focus on Gin and Shirase this episode. Their little interactions years ago were really nice to watch and I like how despite Shirase saying she didn't talk to her all that much she still has quite a few memories of Gi and the things she's said to her. I kinda get what Takako meant by wanting to have Gin's spirit rub off on Shirase and I think it really did work out the way Takako wanted it to as Shirase grew up. The ice breaking stuff was pretty cool to watch. Were those Takako last words on the radio? :( All the girls making the jump together was great but the real treat of this episode was of course "IN YOUR FACE! IN YOUR FACE! IN YOUR FACE! Hell yeah, that was so satisfying and emotional to see. I teared up when the girls shouted it together and even more when the entire crew did it. XD I really loved how the final scene showcases the girls overcoming all the people who admonished them and called them crazy. Pretty inspiring too. Wonder what that mail at the end is. :o |
| Aaaaaah, this series!!! It delivers itself JUST RIGHT! iwatooshi said: In regards to the war talk in this episode; what bothered me wasn't the dialogue between the girls and Kanae (although Kanae just waving the girls' rationalization as "yeah, kinda like that" was nothing praiseworthy but then again, maybe she just didn't want to go into it) so much as the fact that the rest of the crew joining Shirase's "IN YOUR FACE". In Shirase's case it's glorious because of what happened to her at school; the crew joining not long after the aforementioned dialogue felt a bit too much like the two things were connected. Like, "In your face, world, we still got here despite you giving us the worst piece of Antarctica". Of course, this is a matter of interpretation, I guess; they could be referring to their non-sponsors or to the people who didn't think the expedition would happen. Meh, didn't really spoil my enjoyment, though the whole thing did feel a little out of place. Also, I don't really want Shirase's mom to be alive. I feel like it'd be harder to keep the story in the same quality level if they decide to go down that road. Also the way she talked in the radio made me think she was in her last moments and was no longer thinking straight. Eh not that I'd disagree with you but I didn't went past interpreting it as a Take That to their sponsors and detractors as much as the 'mature' crew themselves going along with the girls' hijinks. I think "narmy" is the word to describe it; "cheesy" also checks out....but juuust a little bit ofc, it also didn't spoil me the fun and SATISFACTION of saying ZAMAMIRO! to those idiots they left back home. Also about Shirase's mom, yeah I'd like to believe that she's not dead considering we didn't see any body yet (until this episode putting more nails in the literal coffin), but making a twist like Takako being alive will really undermine the whole series story-wise. |
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| The hell? I didn't know Ice Breakers literally broke ice by stomping on it like a goddamn polar bear. I always thought they just used their mass (and extra strong hull) and momentum to cut through all the ice. And loled at the "IN YOUR FACE" part. Given how crazy Shirase has revealed herself to be, I knew she was going to start gloating about reaching Antarctica, instead of breaking down in tears. Still not sure how her mom died. I guess she just wandered off on her own, got lost, and froze to death. |
Alexandep said: animefan8800 said: Landfall at last! But first, a brief shoe-horned in love story and addressing the elephant in the room that is Takako. You know, the show clearly isn't trying to make me think this way but it has done a piss poor job of making her likeable so far. She left her young daughter when it wasn't 100% necessary and presumably died. Great mother right there. Well we still got a few episodes left for the show to get me to change my mind. Meanwhile, what could the mail from Yuzuki's mom portend? By your logic, almost ALL people (scientists, technicians, etc.) that have ever risked their lives and went to Antarctica or any other place with extreme and|or unpredictable natural conditions are terrible parents, because, what a surprise, 95% of them have families, children and close relatives. Fair enough, agree to disagree. ;) Nobody said she had to be likeable, I just wanted her to be. |
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