Inuyashiki Episode 4 Discussion

Rehls said:

... The contrast was too great, wasn't it. The couple was too good, and the Yakuza boss was too bad.

What's exaggerated about him, actually? Like you said, he's minority. But his behavior is well-justified. He's a boss, thus is more powerful, which gives him more freedom to do as he pleases--which happen to be immoral. By comparison, his henchmen are more passive.
Like his associates mentioned, he's wilder. The show isn't telling that he's the standard.
And only mostly one part of him having been shown because it wasn't possible for more to isn't evidence for "one-dimensionalness". C'mon, be aware.

The show did not tell that rape is done only by people in his position--you assumed it did.

From an article about Yakuza's crimes:


@Talcon "Power fantasy" part was mostly unneeded, if you think about it. The protagonist didn't have to go super-man on them but instead just shot them, in the first encounter. In the Yakuza's reunion, he could've sniped them (with a rifle, if he had made the effort to acquire one). His radar is powerful enough, but it's obvious that Ichirou wants to take things personally, for...self-satisfaction. But also, it appears that he either isn't putting much effort into this hero business of his, or is simply not having enough time to, as he appears, still, too unprepared...

Talcon said:


I don't agree that explicit sex, violence, and sexual violence makes a show mature.



Someone should really make a webm of the horrible animation that starts at 10:42 mark in the episode. It's not Berserk 2016 bad, but it definitely reminded me of it.

Imfenion said:
Am I the only one who expected a "Bang" at the last scene? :D

Rehls said:

So what of any of those things you listed? They're there to make the character impressive-looking. They're all well-justifiable.

The cut was painful, but what was exaggerated about it was all that blood spray (that even made his arm tremble, lol). xD But if no tendons were damaged, there'd be only a minor discomfort noticeable.
"super strength"? :D C'mon. The dude he lifted (with both arms) apparently measured 1.65m, and weighed 60kg at most. A a muscular man of the stature of the Yakuza boss wouldn't have trouble.
He has, or, again, there was no chance for another side of him to be shown? But if you think about it, there are people who've trouble connecting with others (I was reminded of some psychotic character from a manga)... he might not have found someone to open himself to. The people he dealt with weren't so.
Well, so sorry that we weren't explicitly shown more of him. That could've been better, but well, he's not an unknown character-type. Usually, characters like him are underestimated in a way, at some point in their lives, and then react too aggressively to it. They become too motivated to prove themselves superior.

Well, what I agree that must've been exaggerated was the size of his p__is. :D On top of his stature and everything else, he had to also have this, huh?

(You know what he compares to? Steven Seagal... which is also a s*x offender.)

Ah, so you were referring to what you thought the poster you quoted meant. But no, he meant snatched AND (then) raped, not only raped. Erm. The more uncommon part is obviously the snatching.


The text taken from the article was for if you think the reality shown in the show was exaggerated. And he's not "random", but apparently too unbelievable to you that's not familiar with people/characters like him. Just know that there are those with his (bad) personality, but that lack his stature--and that if they had, common sense would tell that it'd contribute to.

Talcon said:
This episode fucking sucked. I was seriously considering making room on my Top 10 for this show, and now I might just drop it. How was something was this even green lit. I don't get it.

Rehls said:

"terrible counter-argument" for you that don't realize that your complaint isn't deserving of much attention. Because again, the character is well-justifiable. You've not given anything that proves otherwise (as you can't).

Did you think this through? Do you really believe that there'd be a major difference in 5kg of weight and 5cm of height?

I referred to the one-dimensionalness.

But I didn't mean it being so. But do you've reading comprehension problems? The poster meant that the snatch-then-r*pe crime is done because of guys like the Yakuza boss. "He was a man overrun by his primal desire to dominate, and people like that are a dime a dozen out there. You think women don't get snatched up and raped in the real world? It's fucked up, and it happens because people like this guy are around." But you replied with "Rape happens and its bad, but to suggest it happens because of people like that yakuza boss is just silly most rape is done by someone you know not by some random muscle bound one dimensional villain."--meaning that you said that he meant only the r*pe being done by characters like that. But he was referring mainly to the crime of kidnapping someone. So to kidnap for that reason, you gotta be that f*cked up.

The Yakuza boss is part of the reality shown in the show. You said "today's" society is safer" and all that, making it appear to me that you didn't believe much of it, when there's s*x-trafficking industries going on.

What was "nonsense waffling" in your view?

Sarkja said:
This anime gives me embarrassment.It called my attention the premise of seeing an older man, dealing with loneliness and the passage of time. But it turned out to be another edgy show 1/5.

Talcon said:
I needed anything so that I wouldn't see these characters and immediately think "they're setting up for tragedy". It was too predictable, too blatant.

pcf2 said:
That is complete nonsense that yakuza boss was the biggest example in anime of " an exaggerated characterization of an evil person in today's society" evil people do exist sure, but someone like the yakuza boss would be in the vast minority of criminals. Todays society is safer than its ever been in human history.

pcf2 said:


I know exactly what the poster meant , but thanks for your concern. Again these crimes are commonly done/orchestrated by someone you know.

They yakuza would target someone vulnerable (maybe even homeless) its very rare for it to be someone completely random that will be missed by society ( like someone working at a bakery lol) i am sure being kidnapped/raped by a yakuza boss doesnt even make up 5% of the rape that happens in todays sociey.

nobody is arguing that sex trafficking exists lol. just to remind you the point was if the yakuza boss was an exaggerated characterization of an evil person in today's society.

edge13 said:

maybe in your place,not in my neighborhood
crime is still rampant as ever here.

Rehls said:

Do I really...? (... Well, it was fine.)

1. What's so unbelievable about his height? We don't even know whether he's pure Japanese. (Nor even his exact height.) But we know that it's possible for there to be people that tall. But if you saw that he was shown too tall to be realistically possible, yeah, well, blame the producers if you wish. But yeah, I mean it being a technical flaw.
2. This'd mean the most, he being too muscular... which isn't the case.
3. Underlings... besides powerless citizens.
4. I replied to this.
5. But not only with one arm, and we can presume that he must've been pressuring more using the uninjured hand. If this helps, though (man lifting another by the throat): https://youtu.be/77s3HkwI9XY But it wasn't done the same way, yeah. The way done in the video was (much) easier, as the arms weren't stretched. But yeah, at this point, in this case, I can just agree that the producers "took too much liberty" with this character, and that such, they should be criticized for it. xD
6. I mean, you're giving a final judgement to him when clearly it was just as I said, and, even though they could fit in a backstory, it'd be wasted effort, since he wasn't gonna appear anymore, anyway. (It was probably considered unwanted by the viewers, as these characters are too minor...) What we should use is common sense, and keep in mind that it's not possible for someone to be 100% insensitive in every situation, and not assume that the anime producers are telling otherwise... Proof that the show isn't that nonsensical is that Ichirou, although most obviously thought to be a good-natured guy, was shown with darkened eyes when confronting the Yakuza bosses... and ended up disabling them severely. While Hiro has shown a good side, but to those close to him.
7. He wasn't dealing with friends.
8. The power partially does. Rest has to do with character. (We know of men that mistreat wives, for example.)

Apparently he didn't intend to kill the previous female he kidnapped, which obviously must've been due to the trouble it could cause him. Again, he's a wilder character... But you saw that they threatened the couple after, didn't you? How effective you think threatening killing family members over telling about r*pe would be? I believe it'd be quite so. Which is why it had to be such a naive, good-natured guy like the girl's fiance to think otherwise.
But yeah, it must be a very rare occurrence. Normally, the criminals would contend themselves with those women they traffic. Or, they wouldn't be so aggressive about it, but instead coerce over a period of time.

Kittens-kun said:


You sure do like to overreact.

edge13 said:
well what can you do?its not like they had lots luxury of time to build story for secondary/guest characters that would only appear for 1 ep.

SillySempai said:
Lol the dude with the yellow hair got a job because he sucked dick, guys that's life advise right there.

spicychile said:
I was waiting for Hiro to snipe the girl while she was being carried over, but nope we got a happy ending thankfully.

Touka__Kirishima said:
One of the better chapters although the pacing was rushed.

The ED song is sooooo good, been listening to it on repeat for a week now.

Vindicater said:


Or maybe it just showed how fucked up the world is and what someone could do if they were given awesome powers.

Man.

All i hope is that Hiro gets stopped before he does anymore damage.

Rehls said:

2. He wasn't too muscular, just very tall. Practically any person could become that fit.
3. Those kinda people are easy prey. It's not unbelievable that he preys on them.
4. Apparently they didn't mind letting her go, since they knew where she lives. And that blood spray is "(... Oh, I thought about it later, and realized that it must've been symbolic--meaning that he's "hot-blooded"--so much that it even becomes literal, lol.)" (I had edited my post.) Sometimes authors add symbolism, even when it makes things illogical. Like in Kino no Tabi, how his guns we know would be too heavy for such a thin boy (girl) to wield well. But as size of guns are symbolic, and small ones have negative meanings, the author gave the character some badass guns, that apparently are even related somehow.
7. Oh, no. I got it that you didn't know that for example, "isn't" and "wasn't" are abbreviations of "is not" and "was not". Also, "it's" can mean either "it is" or "it has". Anyway.

Like I said, he didn't really have a reason to act a different way. And also like I said, it's a fact that people can't be 100% insensitive in every situation. In the meeting with the bosses, for example, he was behaving well, naturally.

Often (or every time) when I don't bother replying to something said, it's because I don't mind it enough to (reasons apparent), not because I concede.

Rehls said:

2. He wasn't too muscular, just very tall. Practically any person could become that fit.
3. Those kinda people are easy prey. It's not unbelievable that he preys on them.
4. Apparently they didn't mind letting her go, since they knew where she lives. And that blood spray is "(... Oh, I thought about it later, and realized that it must've been symbolic--meaning that he's "hot-blooded"--so much that it even becomes literal, lol.)" (I had edited my post.) Sometimes authors add symbolism, even when it makes things illogical. Like in Kino no Tabi, how his guns we know would be too heavy for such a thin boy (girl) to wield well. But as size of guns are symbolic, and small ones have negative meanings, the author gave the character some badass guns, that apparently are even related somehow.
7. Oh, no. I got it that you didn't know that for example, "isn't" and "wasn't" are abbreviations of "is not" and "was not". Also, "it's" can mean either "it is" or "it has". Anyway.

Like I said, he didn't really have a reason to act a different way. And also like I said, it's a fact that people can't be 100% insensitive in every situation. In the meeting with the bosses, for example, he was behaving well, naturally.

Often (or every time) when I don't bother replying to something said, it's because I don't mind it enough to (reasons apparent), not because I concede.

Talcon said:


Someone had to say it. The episode was bad.



Literally cut the episode. Just cut it. It adds nothing, it's just filler. Better yet, at the end of last episode Ichirou learned he can use his powers to heal. How about showing the repercussions of that? Do people start heralding him as a god? Does he have to stop using this power so as not to bring attention to himself and his family? That would have been 100x more interesting than this juvenile power fantasy.

Yes, I know they have to follow the source material. Consider this a criticism of the manga as well.

Klose507 said:
Let's talk about the blowjob.

Rehls said:

2. There's no rule dictating that someone in a high position can't be fit... This doesn't have to do with someone's position, but personality. So no, there's not what to argue about this in the first place.
3. It's been justified. What are you insisting on? He could sexually harass some underling that disrespected him, like happens in prison. He could also prey on more defenseless citizens. (Do I really have to elaborate on what "defenseless" encompasses? It's a waste.)
4. It's not plot convenience. These kinda people are resourceful; this is common sense. People working for that boss did their research. And I've repeated many times that he's "wilder"--don't you get it? It's been acknowledged by the other characters.
- I did see this new version and it doesn't matters whether it's a girl or boy, for the flaw I mentioned, as either would still posses a body too weak to effectively use those guns weighing 1.50kg each. (Unless they've exercised and gained a considerable amount of muscle--which isn't the case.)
7. Dude, he's not representing every type of criminal person in high power. We've seen the other bosses sitting there in the reunion and logically, they weren't copies of him. This character is basically one with more unique personality.

... Because he doesn't gets in trouble all the time, obviously. And by "low profile" you're using common sense, but it can be inaccurate, so don't rely much on it. If you want to know more about how Yakuza bosses operate, go ahead and do your research. With only this bit of common sense you can't argue against what's been shown, so it's pointless to try.

Rehls said:

2. The show never told he was the standard, in the first place. How could you not have gotten this already? He's a real possibility, for sure, but not every one of them is like him; I've been mentioning this using different words, while apparently you've been insisting in what was never told.
It's like you completely ignored the reunion scene with all those bosses that obviously didn't look like him. Now would you really be considering the show telling that they all had his personality? This'd be hella stupid.
3. But I didn't only say that it was justified, but mentioned what's proof of it. Are you playing dumb here? Don't you know what it means to be someone's "underling"? What it means to be "defenseless"? ... The couple shown wasn't wealthy. (You should know what this entails; I shouldn't have to explain this.)
4. He deciding to take more risks doesn't makes him stupid. He taking risks while not being prepared to handle them, would.
We shouldn't have what to argue about this, what. How do you think he advanced in that criminal syndicate? Because he was extraordinarily competent.
- She handles them too well, as a 15 YO small, thin girl. That show took liberties, the same way this one took with the character we've been discussing, having lifted the other by the neck. The guns weigh 1.2-1.5kg http://www.gunbroker.com/item/713051160 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_1851_Navy_Revolver
7. It's fair for you to consider them lazy and such. But what isn't is for you to argue saying that their intent was to tell he's entirely "black". You can believe so, but you can't prove it; while both the protagonists serve as indication of otherwise.

No. Not everyone, nor he's a criminal boss because he can only do that. (You're behaving immaturely.) If you want to learn more about them, just do as I said. We've shown that he's resourceful as he has henchmen working for him, allies, and is apparently wealthy, etc.

It was done in a part of the town more enclosed, when there was no one around.

1. In case he was shown unrealistically tall (2.40cm+), that's a production fault, i.e, technical flaw. This is a minor flaw, as it's has little impact and can easily be fixed.
- Same thing for Kino. The flaw with the guns is minor; they could be just easily be replaced.
5. That, what you responded, is example of what I consider "weak attack" against my "defense", thus not worth replying further. You should know to measure your words better than to say that it's not comparable in any way when it's clearly comparable. And same as with 1., this is a minor flaw, for the same reasons.
8. You mentioned the bodies being left there and I hadn't paid attention. Apparently it was due to the old man they recognized is some super-man; they didn't want to stick around there for too long, then, as it'd be dangerous for them to. They obviously noticed that he wasn't wounded, after that many shots. Although the girl the boss didn't let go, the man apparently they hadn't planned in killing... so they ended up not taking his body. This must've been a screw up on their part, as he'd be full of fingerprints. But in such an unbelievable situation, these can be forgiven. In the end, what he'd have to worry the most is the invincible old man. (Besides, they could've just sent another crew to pick the bodies, if they wanted. And as the crew hadn't acted, it must've been because they found out the fiance was alive. And with them monitoring his conversations, they could easily threaten, using the girl.)

AnAnimeMushroom said:
I'm interested. Could you expand? I have no intention of a heated, annoying argument, it's your opinion, I respect that, but here's my take;

This Character Development.
I feel like you're treating art - anime, as an entity to be dissected; Story, Characters, Development, to Plausibility (etc), each compartmentalised and graded 1 to 10 like judging each colour rather than the whole portrait. Celebrating with a; "Yay!" for every opinion parallel to yours.

Using Such Elements.
The absence of character development is hardly a criticism until you mention the overall effect and objective; this is characterisation, used to serve something to the narrative and generate interest. It's a tool, not a requirement.
You can invoke CHANGE by the typical way; the change of a characters ideals, or, the change of the viewer themselves; their perception. That is, introducing an unknown side of a character, or simulating an experiment for them to question that character. Either way, the result is the same; IT GENERATES INTREST. Isn't that what entertainment is?

Missed Something?
This is only worsened by the fact that there is development! Again, don't you notice such change can come in different forms? From Inuyashiki's resurrection into a wholly artificial, destructive body, surges the desperation to fulfil his own value as a human, that he otherwise sees himself as useless.

His ideology, desire, is propelled through episode 2, 3 to 4, questions if he's of value, capable as a human, and so plummets his image of the hero, back to episode 1; feeling useless.

What's The Difference?
Episode 4's sole purpose is to demonstrate Ichiro's decay of the ideological hero (Astro Boy of which he sings episode 3); the unemotional view of gauging the eyes of these criminals serves to question this heroism. You pointing out that these criminals could still have revenge is useless, if they were killed what difference would that make? Nothing.

What's The Purpose?
In fact, don't you think the gauging of their eyes demonstrates Ichiro's justification as a hero? Criminals suffering permanent loss of vision, burdened with pain, is shallow, it teaches no lesson to them. It's the questioning of him as "the best hero."

Too Vague?
Oh, and how's the families situation is messed up. In fact the boyfriend seems to allude to the similarities of him to Ichiro; not glimmering, yet possessing something invaluable. Oh, bland and poor? Why criticise the depth of character you'll only see for a single episode? There meant to serve content to the narrative. If you want can name many highly-respected series that does the same.

I see your also annoyed about resurrection. What is there to be annoyed about? The emphasis of Ichiro's values and greedy, overly-ambitious desire to save every human? His belief in himself starts from the ghettos, to the levels of a king, slowly plummeting to a peasant.

Care To Elaborate?
How is providing content filler? Don't tell me the pacing is out, be specific, tell me what contributes to that statement? If anything isn't specific, then it's these criticisms. Elaborate.