Occultic;Nine Episode 12 Discussion

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Feb 9, 2020 2:14 PM

#201

octo_

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Really liked story and characters, but the way anime itself was done is kinda.. There were few cool moments, and mostly everything else was on acceptable level, but im sure this anime could've been done much better.

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Jun 15, 2020 5:32 PM

#202

RiceKnight59

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I really liked this story but the show was so fast paced even the characters speaking/subs were too fast I had to pause and rewind to fully grasp what was going on. I'm glad I waited to binge this otherwise I would've been confused as hell week after week when this was originally airing. It's clear Aveline/Ryotas loved Gamon but what happened to Aveline after all this was over? Did she "die"?

I wish this show was longer than 12 episodes like the rest of the Science Adventure franchise but it wasn't bad for what it was. I only wish that Gamon had returned from the Spirit World to be with his friends. I honestly thought he would since he shot himself with the gun before what appeared to be midnight.

What was with that post-credit scene? Is he in some other universe where he's alive in cryo?

Sep 13, 2020 8:10 PM

#203

andreariona

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It's kinda.. weird ride. Some characters seems talk pretty fast that I wonder if the VAs bite their tongue while doing the voice cast. 6/10.

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Oct 8, 2020 12:07 PM

#204

ShadowkillZ

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The conclusion to a rapidly paced show!

The concept of time travel by stretching and retracting of time as if it was a rubber band is already explored in other sci-fi works before, but the plot really compliments this type of time travel perfectly.
It was a genuinely emotional scene when Gamon shows his willingness to stay behind in the spirit realm to eliminate the New World plan by the Narusawa Conglomerate. Everyone else got to go back to their body when they're about to die. Almost shed a tear when Gamon cried with a smile while everyone complimented him for his contribution to their development as a character. Miyuu's offer to stay with him is so heartwarming! In the end, Gamon turns down that incredible offer for the sake of his friends' lifelong joy.

The fact that Gamon could still shut down the military radio tower AND resurrect himself back alive all at once was absurdly optimistic, yet possible. If only Gamon arrived at the base literally a few seconds earlier, he would've been able to do so and come back home a hero.

However he never did, Gamon died and that's a fact. He could still interact with the living world but due to the Wardenclyffe gun's destruction in the explosion, I doubt he could replenish himself to prolong his life. Gamon will fade and disappear, making him unable to interact with the world of the living, essentially a true death, Just like his friends who're alive in the world of the living as they too would die someday...

Honestly, I like the action heroic last ep, with Gamon's selfless sacrifice for his friends being the event to conclude this short yet unique journey of occultic mystery. An interesting plot with somewhat likeable characters and some of the best OP and ED ever. I have no doubt in my mind that this show would be up there with Steins;Gate if not for the fact that this show only got 12 eps. If it got double that number to 24 eps, wow, I can only imagine how much better everything will be! More time for character development, and especially more time for the plot to be revealed instead of the last 2 eps giving the audience everything away despite it being mysterious for the other 10 eps.

They didn't do justice the best-dressed guy in the show, Sarai. What a shame, he looks like he's posing for the picture as well.

Jul 15, 2021 9:59 PM

#205

catt0s

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My take on this anime:
The first 1/3 of this series kind of sucked to be honest. the middle 1/3 was good. the last bit was great.

Jul 30, 2021 8:04 PM

#206

Disapeared_Ghost

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wish the show was longer.

Oct 24, 2021 12:26 AM

#207

gawby

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Great episode. I loved this anime.

Nov 11, 2021 11:57 AM

#208

lokimidgard

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I liked the series, but the ending could be better.

I've wouldn't mind the Mc getting sacrificed in the end if thy hadn't rescheduled the xlimax so he could get resurrected. But it does not work, and I have no clue what was missing.

I find it cool that he posts on his blog in the end, but nobody seems to try to make bidirectunqll communication. They could use the radio, or just chat with him. As far as we know he may be the only ghost left. Assuming everyone else needed the towerthingi to stay in the living world. And just he is special.

I thought it was strange to include time travel in the end ro more or less ignore it. Only the dead body vanished. But after they resurrected nothing changed. I mean, the guy who runs the bar is a killer. And they chill there until the antenna explodes over a weeke since they resurrected?

The ghosts also seem to have no problem opening doors etc, why dose the Mc needs to get supercharged to punch someone.

I wished there were more infos about the mangaka, through it would be enough to see more what she is capable of.

I also wished the detective had more screen time. I liked his character.
I also liked how fast some charakters were talking it fits those characters and does make them a little hyper active.

After all this time it does not look like an movie or OVA gets released that gives some missing answers.

Jan 8, 2022 9:34 AM

#209

OweynLupton

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This had so much potential. There were so many interesting ideas, a pretty cool plot, some decent characters and music, and even a rather unique style of directing, but it was just too fast-paced. Nothing ever had time to breathe. The voice actors felt like they were trying to speedrun all of their lines to cram in as much plot into as little time as possible, and so many character arcs and plot beats felt so rushed that their conclusions (if they existed) felt wholly unsatisfying. Aria and Kiryuu's whole subplot just kind of happened, the characters figuring out how to travel back in time felt pretty effortless and anticlimatic, Ririka just kind of felt pointless, and the whole anime ended in the blink of an eye. If they had more episodes for everything, I imagine this could have been great though. A shame.

I have to add, though: it wasn't a constant problem, but the cinematography was far too overbearing at some points. Episode 10 was a massive standout in that regard. It felt like there wasn't a single normal, straight-on shot in that episode. Everything was at a weird Dutch angle that made it difficult to focus on what was happening. Maybe it's just me, but I feel like unusual camera angles like that should be used sparingly to emphasise a certain tone. Using it throughout the entire episode made it less interesting and more simply annoying.

OweynLuptonJan 8, 2022 9:40 AM

Oct 7, 2022 11:11 PM

#210

KONRADD

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The only reason I came back to this show was the promise of mystery and the presence of a titty monster (and the fact that it was only 12 episodes). Everyone's saying this would have been a 10/10 story if it had 12 more episodes but there's no way of knowing that for sure. By the time we're 75% in to the story things start to feel like real ass-pulls. All that fast talking has left me with a slight headache.

Nov 21, 2022 3:07 AM

#211

Franck_Nicolas

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lokimidgard said:
I liked the series, but the ending could be better.

I've wouldn't mind the Mc getting sacrificed in the end if thy hadn't rescheduled the xlimax so he could get resurrected. But it does not work, and I have no clue what was missing.

The ghosts also seem to have no problem opening doors etc, why dose the Mc needs to get supercharged to punch someone.

I wished there were more infos about the mangaka, through it would be enough to see more what she is capable of.

The ghosts can interact with their own world, they re just not on the same frequency than the livings. To interact with them, they need to be on the same wavelength or interact with such strong electromagnetic waves that it can physically influence livings and the living world. I don t know if i explain it well, this is more or less what is said in the anime. So if a ghost opens a door, the living wouldn t see the door moving, unless the ghost is hypercharged with electromagnetic waves that influence other frequencies.

I believe the MC failed because MMG company cut him off from the living wavelength when they started their "new world" stuff for their emperor, just before the MC arrived at the tower. It was explained just before that the villains scheduled the new world earlier than what Aveline Tesla planned, thus surprising them and the MC arriving too late. But then with the help of his father he may be was able to send energy through the radio to the living wavelength in order to destroy the tower.

I don t have answers for your other remarks... It s bogging me too X) this wasn t supposed to be the ending ot the whole story though, but i don t think anyone is working on it anymore.

Franck_NicolasNov 21, 2022 3:16 AM

Dec 1, 2022 11:18 AM

#212

Kitty-Kate

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I enjoyed this anime all the way up until the end… I’m am very confused! What actually happened to Yuta? I understand he wasn’t revived like the others but he’s still around somewhere?

Also that Cold Sleep room shot? I’m guessed someone found his body and cryogenically froze it? I think I might need to read the novel!

Jan 24, 2023 9:26 AM

#213

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after rewatch this I still don't understand why Ririka able to get out of the situation first before those 4. and without a "gun" too. and she just dissapear like teleported, who the hell is she?

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Aug 23, 2023 10:46 AM

#214

Aolaogth

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the amount of rush and pacing is appalling

Mar 7, 2024 2:28 AM

#215

DennouShojoSiro

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So Gamon is actually still there with everyone but they can't see him? Since his blog is still updated~

May 21, 2024 8:46 AM

#216

Archean-Return

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While the core plot itself is was conceptually alright, I wasn't much fond of its delivery or presentation. Conversations happened like the playback speed was set to 1.5x, and this made the fictobabble and occult dialogue hard to follow as a result. That isn't to say a mystery anime can't be framed in a "quirky" or unconventionally stylised way, but it still needs to pace itself; getting invested in the world is much easier when the atmosphere of any one scene is given more time to flourish.

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Aug 4, 2024 7:21 AM

#217

HibiChika

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this anime predicted agenda 30, 5g tech and anti-vaxxers fearmongering against the magic potion lol. once you see all the similarities, you can't unsee them. i'd pay to be an immortal ghost. seems more fun than our constrained physical realm.

May 7, 5:55 PM

#218

Vyse_Sohma

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That's uh... quite a rushed ending, all right.

Went for Narusawa Ryouka, stayed for the voice actors, didn't enjoy as much with all the fast paced dialogue and fewer pauses to understand what was going on. Opening and Ending were a blast, though.

Jul 23, 11:25 PM

#219

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Meh, but as much as how I hate it, this is one of the best SciAdv adaptation but then again it's not like the previous adaptation are watchable other than S;G and R;N, Episode 12 has sooooooo many happening, the cast got revive, the kiss, the mc meets his father, the evil organization, the siblings, and the doujin artist, well I guess this is the ideal ending considering the LN is the source material and not the VN, but hopefully we get a proper ending in Novel and new route too in the VN

Sep 12, 2:46 AM

#220

Darkdaxter

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Very very strong. Honestly I think I actually would have liked this more than Notes if it were longer.

The first episode is sloppy. It introduces waaaay too many characters all at the same time. There's a reason why most shows with large casts of characters build the cast up over time. Even if the entire cast is present at the beginning like in Digimon, each character is focused on in different episodes. It's just so much easier for the viewer to follow that way.

Then of course the breakneck pacing. Even though I'm not a particularly fast reader, I was able to follow along well enough. I only had to rewind a handful of times (somehow Ryukou was usually also on the screen :p). After the first episode, the stories are structured well enough that they fit like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle. Pretty soon that character will show up again and stitch their patch onto the quilt. The real letdown of this approach is that scenes never really get to breathe.

The characters all had amazing chemistry. Particularly Ryukou and Gamon. Think of all the extra time they'd have to banter and romp around with a second cour, playing off Miyu as well at times. The detective was spot on. His interrogation tactics were legendary. I could feel the tension mount after a few suspects, to the point where I almost wanted to punch him at times. I was just waiting for the people to crack and admit something. The second detective wasn't nearly as fun, but with the diminished runtime she felt more like a plot device than an actual character.

The science part is also honestly stronger than Chaos or even Notes, where they played so liberally with the concepts it felt like the writers didn't really understand them at all. Interesting since it's the most supernatural. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert, but I can explain it a bit for confused people.

According to general relativity all matter and energy are essentially both particles and waves. Waves have frequencies (essentially the length of each band over time), and you can represent these waves with electrical pulses. So some people theorize that the "soul" are the electric energy waves fired by your brain neurons, and if so it could potentially continue on after you die. Ignoring entropy and the rate at which cells (or this electrical information) would be replaced and a whole host of other forces and factors of course. The second part involves how space and time are linked. Mass and energy interact with each other causing changes in space-time like balls rolling down a blanket and wrinkling the cloth. Anyone who likes black holes knows that this stretching of space-time we perceive as gravity causes time delation. But of course the earth isn't stationary. It's hurtling through space around the sun around the center of the Milky Way, which is also drifting through space. So it's not just like two different radio stations getting different signals at the same time, but like one radio station and the whole earth it's on are at completely different points in Earth's orbit. Meaning the two should never meet. And so the bad guys want to stretch out the wavelengths of the human "soul," to be in the second Earth. They want to live in the realm of the dead where their energy waves will never dissipate because science fiction plot device. And also Earth 1 is the MATERIAL Earth, so they can overlap the ENERGY Earth in the story. So their picking and choosing from both radio station examples to make the gimmick work where they can overlap without two planets exploding, but time-travel too.

Of course the time constraints left a lot of stuff rushed through, many questions unanswered, and not even a real ending. I was convinced the supercharging would somehow extend Gamon's wavelength, or that Avelin would have some further time travel secret. The white-haired boy was never explained. We don't even know if he was actually a ghost or not. Gamon never even really fought the emperor. We never learned what the box curses were actually for either.

7.5/10 Boin Boin Boin Boin Boin Boin. I wanted a real confession scene. Boin Boin. I didn't get to see enough of Nishizono's Boin Boin either. I needed more cuteness from Ria, Maru-pi, and Chi-chan too. Boin Boin. And of course the cool investigative journalist Sumikaze could use more sensual screentime. Boin Boin. Why not let the detectives kiss too, while we're at it? Boin Boin.

Okay I'm done. Still can't get over Gamon picking up that bloody knife.

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