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Apr 4, 2016 9:29 PM
#251
DJAzureSky said: Stop fooling yourself. I've watched every single Macross, SDF, DYRL, Plus (both versions), 7, Dynamite 7, Zero, F, F movies. Delta is just following the popular JP music trends (which is an indicator of you know, Macross not being made for Western audiences, so you criticisms literally hold no weight) and it's still using the elements that make Macross, Macross. The three elements that make Macross are a Love Triangle, VFs, and music. so if i put Love Triangle, VFs, and music into a series that includes horror, pokemons, a lot of bloods and idols who become super sayans, i can call it Macross as well? then what you say makes sense the element that made macross in the 1982 was the wish to make an anime on giant spaceship that could be better than yamato during the development they merged it with other concepts they were working on and macross was born the "songs" had no real power in the real macross, they confused the enemy only cause they were naive if macross broadcasted you know "what" instead of a love song and a kiss scene, they would win against zeltran with no effort in few minutes |
Apr 4, 2016 9:33 PM
#252
ZeroG said: DJAzureSky said: Stop fooling yourself. I've watched every single Macross, SDF, DYRL, Plus (both versions), 7, Dynamite 7, Zero, F, F movies. Delta is just following the popular JP music trends (which is an indicator of you know, Macross not being made for Western audiences, so you criticisms literally hold no weight) and it's still using the elements that make Macross, Macross. The three elements that make Macross are a Love Triangle, VFs, and music. so if i put Love Triangle, VFs, and music into a series that includes horror, pokemons, a lot of bloods and idols who become super sayans, i can call it Macross as well? then what you say makes sense the element that made macross in the 1982 was the wish to make an anime on giant spaceship that could be better than yamato during the development they merged it with other concepts they were working on and macross was born the "songs" had no real power in the real macross, they confused the enemy only cause they were naive if they broadcasted you know "what" instead of a love song and a kiss scene, they would probably had won whith no effort Hmm... I guess you really don't want to leave SDF and DYRL, do you? I'm seeing SDF as part of the series as a whole, you're seeing the entire series as only being SDF and DYRL. I think I found the problem here. |
Apr 4, 2016 9:39 PM
#253
so... what is the actual title for eps 1?, and is eps 1 remake from the pre-air special with an extra footage?? |
Apr 4, 2016 9:47 PM
#254
DJAzureSky said: Hmm... I guess you really don't want to leave SDF and DYRL, do you? I'm seeing SDF as part of the series as a whole, you're seeing the entire series as only being SDF and DYRL. I think I found the problem here. i watched robotech, macross tv, dyrl, macross 2, macross plus, macross zero, macross f tv, macross f movies i loved the character design of macross 7 cause is the same of many anime from the'90, but had not the stomach to watch that nosense were songs have magic powers macross plus was cool, i just find disappointing that a song suddendly had the power to hypnotize the whole planet earth in few seconds macross zero was cool, i just felt a bit confused cause the enemy was an angel from evangelion and songs suddendly had the power of talking to him macross f was really cool, i was a bit disappointed cause songs were the only way to talk and hypnotize a race of space monsters now in macross delta songs have magic powers? again? cause the trend says that moe is power and macross is about moe and songs yeah... super sayan idol who's able to win with a kamehamea against the macross cannon my problem with macross is: the more power have a song, the less i like it a song is a song its power is not magic, or strength its power is love and culture and macross was a series about culture |
ZeroGApr 4, 2016 9:51 PM
Apr 4, 2016 9:49 PM
#255
audian said: so... what is the actual title for eps 1?, and is eps 1 remake from the pre-air special with an extra footage?? Yes, it's called Prologue on the Battlefield |
Apr 4, 2016 10:08 PM
#256
ZeroG said: DJAzureSky said: Hmm... I guess you really don't want to leave SDF and DYRL, do you? I'm seeing SDF as part of the series as a whole, you're seeing the entire series as only being SDF and DYRL. I think I found the problem here. i watched robotech, macross tv, dyrl, macross 2, macross plus, macross zero, macross f tv, macross f movies i loved the character design of macross 7 cause is the same of many anime from the'90, but had not the stomach to watch that nosense were songs have magic powers macross plus was cool, i just find disappointing that a song suddendly had the power to hypnotize the whole planet earth in few seconds macross zero was cool, i just felt a bit confused cause the enemy was an angel from evangelion and songs suddendly had the power of talking to him macross f was really cool, i was a bit disappointed cause songs were the only way to talk and hypnotize a race of space monsters now in macross delta songs have magic powers? again? cause the trend says that moe is power and macross is about moe and songs yeah... super sayan idol who's able to win with a kamehamea against the macross cannon my problem with macross is: the more power have a song, the less i like it a song is a song its power is not magic, or strength its power is love and culture and macross was a series about culture ...You really are just ignoring everything else about Macross and only focusing on the music... Funny how you are completely wrong about Frontier's use of music. The Vajra were not hypnotized (Unless you count the Fold wave generators in the movies). They communicated with Ranka and Virus!Sheryl through the emotions in their songs. It's literally a more empathetic version of SDF's use. Instead of culture shock, they were communicating with Ranka's emotions in her songs since they didn't speak the same language. |
Apr 4, 2016 10:46 PM
#257
DJAzureSky said: ...You really are just ignoring everything else about Macross and only focusing on the music... Funny how you are completely wrong about Frontier's use of music. The Vajra were not hypnotized (Unless you count the Fold wave generators in the movies). They communicated with Ranka and Virus!Sheryl through the emotions in their songs. It's literally a more empathetic version of SDF's use. Instead of culture shock, they were communicating with Ranka's emotions in her songs since they didn't speak the same language. vajira were not in a state that could be called hypnosis? funny how they changed opinion on humans in the middle of a battle against them if you did not noticed they were starting a genocide by warping on every planet colonized by humans but few minutes later, thousand of them died when shielding frontier city from a macross gun that's the power of translators like google the one that ignores everything about macross is not me music is just one of the problems, just one of the things that makes delta a joke i mentioned the fact that macross army sends underaged girls on the frontline let's say they have no choice, cause the only singers in all the galaxy that have the power to stop the zombie apocalypse are underaged they must be really stupid to send those girls on the frontline instead of making them sing from the command bridge of their mightiest battleship but they will win, cause the enemy tactician are even worse they want to kill the idols, so they send a squad of vf in close combat with them... bomb the city from the orbit with a macross cannon ? bomb the city from the orbit with laser artillery ? bomb the city from the orbit with a reflex missile ? bomb the city from the orbit with an old, rusty nuke ? nope, they are knight, so they engage in close combat all that's left is to see VF equipped with rocket punches and beam sabers, but i guess is only matter of time |
Apr 4, 2016 10:56 PM
#258
ZeroG said: DJAzureSky said: ...You really are just ignoring everything else about Macross and only focusing on the music... Funny how you are completely wrong about Frontier's use of music. The Vajra were not hypnotized (Unless you count the Fold wave generators in the movies). They communicated with Ranka and Virus!Sheryl through the emotions in their songs. It's literally a more empathetic version of SDF's use. Instead of culture shock, they were communicating with Ranka's emotions in her songs since they didn't speak the same language. vajira were not in a state that could be called hypnosis? funny how they changed opinion on humans in the middle of a battle against them if you did not noticed they were starting a genocide by warping on every planet colonized by humans but few minutes later, thousand of them died when shielding frontier city from a macross gun that's the power of translators like google the one that ignores everything about macross is not me music is just one of the problems, just one of the things that makes delta a joke i mentioned the fact that macross army sends underaged girls on the frontline let's say they have no choice, cause the only singers in all the galaxy that have the power to stop the zombie apocalypse are underaged they must be really stupid to send those girls on the frontline instead of making them sing from the command bridge of their mightiest battleship but they will win, cause the enemy tactician are even worse they want to kill the idols, so they send a squad of vf in close combat with them... bomb the city from the orbit with a macross cannon ? bomb the city from the orbit with laser artillery ? bomb the city from the orbit with a reflex missile ? bomb the city from the orbit with an old, rusty nuke ? nope, they are knight, so they engage in close combat all that's left is to see VF equipped with rocket punches and beam sabers, but i guess is only matter of time No the Vajra weren't in hypnosis because all they were doing was communicating with Ranka, since her immunity from the V-Type bacteria made her seem like she was one of them. Also you're literally just jumping off the slippery slope. You're thinking of the worst possible outcomes without thinking. Then again, you're blind, so... |
Apr 4, 2016 11:29 PM
#259
DJAzureSky said: No the Vajra weren't in hypnosis because all they were doing was communicating with Ranka, since her immunity from the V-Type bacteria made her seem like she was one of them. Also you're literally just jumping off the slippery slope. You're thinking of the worst possible outcomes without thinking. Then again, you're blind, so... sure, im blind vajira were not under mind control, they stopped a genocide and even changed their skin colors just cause they were asked to by Ranka did you noticed a character named Grace O'Connor and what she did to the vajira queen? maybe not, but im the blind one so i guess she was from another anime im thinking of the worst possible outcome? im just saying that the battle in this first episode had no sense from a tactical and logical point of view, unless the enemy cared of civilian casualities if so, they would be forced to engage in close combat instead of bombing the area but they were the one that started the destruction of the city in the first place, so... wtf when in an anime i see something happen, i want to know why that happened when i have the answer, i try to not forget it that's why i get disappointed when in an anime these answers, these facts are later forgotten, ignored or changed so the story can go on maybe that's the difference between us, and what makes you belive im blind cause you either dont remember, or dont ask yourself questions when things happen |
Apr 4, 2016 11:47 PM
#260
ZeroG said: DJAzureSky said: No the Vajra weren't in hypnosis because all they were doing was communicating with Ranka, since her immunity from the V-Type bacteria made her seem like she was one of them. Also you're literally just jumping off the slippery slope. You're thinking of the worst possible outcomes without thinking. Then again, you're blind, so... sure, im blind vajira were not under mind control, they stopped a genocide and even changed their skin colors just cause they were asked to by Ranka did you noticed a character named Grace O'Connor and what she did to the vajira queen? maybe not, but im the blind one so i guess she was from another anime im thinking of the worst possible outcome? im just saying that the battle in this first episode had no sense from a tactical and logical point of view, unless the enemy cared of civilian casualities if so, they would be forced to engage in close combat instead of bombing the area but they were the one that started the destruction of the city in the first place, so... wtf when in an anime i see something happen, i want to know why that happened when i have the answer, i try to not forget it that's why i get disappointed when in an anime these answers, these facts are later forgotten, ignored or changed so the story can go on maybe that's the difference between us, and what makes you belive im blind cause you either dont remember, or dont ask yourself questions when things happen Okay if you're talking changing skin color, that's definitely the movie, they were being brainwashed through the fold generators, it was when they were able to communicate with Ranka again that they returned to normal. If you're just talking about Vajra Queen Grace, that's literally Grace acting as a "queen bee" to the Vajra, telling them to fight against the S.M.S. based on Ranka's emotions. They were never brainwashed, they just don't think for themselves since they're a hive mind. Var Syndrome is something that just causes Zentradi to go berserk, there's no rhyme or reason to attack, unless you forgot that in the first two minutes of the episode when they describe Var Syndrome. Walkure and Delta Squad were made to suppress Var Syndrome, that's why when they're singing they calm down, but the moment they stopped singing, the Var Syndrome was still in control. So you just weren't listening. The only thing that they didn't explain fully yet was how Hayate was able to control a 171 like it was the Work Destroid from the beginning of the episode. |
Apr 5, 2016 12:03 AM
#261
DJAzureSky said: So you just weren't listening. The only thing that they didn't explain fully yet was how Hayate was able to control a 171 like it was the Work Destroid from the beginning of the episode. im quite sure that vajira changed color in the tv series as well but calling it hypnosis, or misunderstanding cause grace was sending fake data into their brain network is not the point the point is delta and how much "macross" is the val syndrome is not a natural illness, but seems to be caused by an evil idol who works with the enemy VF why that enemy attacked in the first place? is not yet explained, of course is just the 1st episode but if their intention was to kill the enemy idols, and they did not cared of civilian casualities, then sorry, that battle had no more sense than the battle of a giant robot in an anime from the '70 |
Apr 5, 2016 1:08 AM
#262
@fst nice smear campaign attempt and flamebait. Now go back to fate fanboi threads and stay out of normal anime stuff. I have been with this website since it's inception and my "reputation" and knowledge precedes mere teens unable to deal with the fact that their beloved show was bad. audian said: so... what is the actual title for eps 1?, and is eps 1 remake from the pre-air special with an extra footage?? "EP0.89" was a preview version of Episode1. It was called Prologue on the Battlefield and it was basically unfinished version of EP1. Its a common thing in anime industry to do that. Episode 1 is the broadcast version of that with a lot of changes and a different ending. It is called " Battlefield of Valkyries" |
AhenshihaelApr 5, 2016 1:12 AM
Apr 5, 2016 1:31 AM
#263
Fai said: @fst nice smear campaign attempt and flamebait. Now go back to fate fanboi threads and stay out of normal anime stuff. I have been with this website since it's inception and my "reputation" and knowledge precedes mere teens unable to deal with the fact that their beloved show was bad. audian said: so... what is the actual title for eps 1?, and is eps 1 remake from the pre-air special with an extra footage?? "EP0.89" was a preview version of Episode1. It was called Prologue on the Battlefield and it was basically unfinished version of EP1. Its a common thing in anime industry to do that. Episode 1 is the broadcast version of that with a lot of changes and a different ending. It is called " Battlefield of Valkyries" Wow, the condescension in this post. You're basically saying that it's impossible to be an older anime fan (I'm 26 by the way) and actually enjoy Delta. I love the Macross series, it just seems that people just want to treat Macross as if only SDF and DYRL exist, when Plus, 7, Zero, F and now Delta have just been ramping up the themes. It's still a pure Macross show. |
Apr 5, 2016 1:35 AM
#264
DJAzureSky said: Fai said: @fst nice smear campaign attempt and flamebait. Now go back to fate fanboi threads and stay out of normal anime stuff. I have been with this website since it's inception and my "reputation" and knowledge precedes mere teens unable to deal with the fact that their beloved show was bad. audian said: so... what is the actual title for eps 1?, and is eps 1 remake from the pre-air special with an extra footage?? "EP0.89" was a preview version of Episode1. It was called Prologue on the Battlefield and it was basically unfinished version of EP1. Its a common thing in anime industry to do that. Episode 1 is the broadcast version of that with a lot of changes and a different ending. It is called " Battlefield of Valkyries" Wow, the condescension in this post. You're basically saying that it's impossible to be an older anime fan (I'm 26 by the way) and actually enjoy Delta. I love the Macross series, it just seems that people just want to treat Macross as if only SDF and DYRL exist, when Plus, 7, Zero, F and now Delta have just been ramping up the themes. It's still a pure Macross show. Errr...Wut? Where did I say anything about Delta being bad. |
Apr 5, 2016 5:11 AM
#265
ZeroG said: bomb the city from the orbit with a macross cannon ? bomb the city from the orbit with laser artillery ? bomb the city from the orbit with a reflex missile ? bomb the city from the orbit with an old, rusty nuke ? Macross Cannon? Seriously? I'll calculate the amount of full sized Macross-class ships they have built as of Frontier for you. 2 SDF(Macross itself and Megaroad-1) 12 SDFN(Including the SDFN-4 Global which appeared in Frontier) Each colony fleet has a Battle-class, so there are at least 55 Battle-[Fleet name] out there as of Frontier. That's 69 confirmed full Macross-sized ships, and we haven't accounted for the ones that were destroyed or lost like Megaroad-1, Battle 5, Battle 13, SDFN-4 Global. About 70 full Macross-sized ships. In the whole galaxy. Just using one of them alone implies a large enough threat. Moving one into position to shoot alone would be hard, let alone getting one of them. And no, attacking the city from orbit in any way would incur the wraith of every goddamn military force in the galaxy. Once news gets out, NUNS HQ sends a fleet or two into the region, the richer people hires private military services like SMS, effectively making sure the knights won't have the luxury of hiding in the galactic equivalent of rural regions. Remember, EARTH was glassed from orbit. Attacking a city from orbit is just going to make them put a bounty on your head. |
Apr 5, 2016 6:08 AM
#266
WhatShtIsThis said: And no, attacking the city from orbit in any way would incur the wraith of every goddamn military force in the galaxy. Once news gets out, NUNS HQ sends a fleet or two into the region, the richer people hires private military services like SMS, effectively making sure the knights won't have the luxury of hiding in the galactic equivalent of rural regions. Remember, EARTH was glassed from orbit. Attacking a city from orbit is just going to make them put a bounty on your head. first, in all the galaxy there are 100.000 bodolza class fortress with an escort fleet of millions of zeltran ships, including millions meltran battleships of the same class of the first macross before the repairs and even if you dont move ships of that class, many smaller ships from zeltran and human fleets, like the macross quarter had that firepower second, iif you did not noticed, they just declared war to both zeltrans and that colony bounty of their head? they have altready it, unless of course, the writer of this series is a total idiot and the UN government will take that whole carnage for a kid joke |
Apr 5, 2016 8:28 AM
#267
Do you people hate fun or what? Watching this episodes give me the most fun I have for the long time. The music, the fight choreography, the characters dialogues...It's just massive pure fun. |
Apr 5, 2016 9:54 AM
#268
joshua_mai said: Do you people hate fun or what? Watching this episodes give me the most fun I have for the long time. The music, the fight choreography, the characters dialogues...It's just massive pure fun. Anyone who actually watched actual Macross franchise would like this. The elitist few who only recognize first few macross shows will hate this. As well as those who do not understand the concept of this show representing the music industry relevant at the time in Japan. |
Apr 5, 2016 10:13 AM
#269
joshua_mai said: Do you people hate fun or what? Watching this episodes give me the most fun I have for the long time. The music, the fight choreography, the characters dialogues...It's just massive pure fun. Is not that me or others hate fun or hate moe characters, music, magical girls and comedies The problem is that you cant produce an anime like "narutaru the shadow star" call it pokemon shadow and broadcast it as a part of pokemon franchise saying that it have all the elements of the first pokemon and they were just a little improved |
ZeroGApr 5, 2016 10:20 AM
Apr 5, 2016 10:14 AM
#270
Not exactly a great start to the story, but it was entertaining enough. Also it’s not surprising that people have taken very divisive stances; seems to happen for each TV sequel of the franchise. Personally I don’t share the same displeasure that many fellow fans have against it; still feels like Macross to me. The essence is there, but if this somehow gets bad later on (hope not), it might be because of other issues and certainly not because some aesthetics, since those change in every iteration of the series. |
Apr 5, 2016 10:27 AM
#271
I decided on a whim to try this out since I heard you don't have to be familiar with the franchise fo watch it, and I'm surprised with how much I enjoyed this first episode.... definitely going to continue :) |
Apr 5, 2016 10:34 AM
#272
Virtual_sk said: Not exactly a great start to the story, but it was entertaining enough. Also it’s not surprising that people have taken very divisive stances; seems to happen for each TV sequel of the franchise. Personally I don’t share the same displeasure that many fellow fans have against it; still feels like Macross to me. The essence is there, but if this somehow gets bad later on (hope not), it might be because of other issues and certainly not because some aesthetics, since those change in every iteration of the series. Most of the people I see complaining are just "I want to see what happened with Hikaru and Minmay" when Kawamori himself said that he's done with their story, he wants to focus on introducing new characters. |
Apr 5, 2016 10:35 AM
#273
ZeroG said: joshua_mai said: Do you people hate fun or what? Watching this episodes give me the most fun I have for the long time. The music, the fight choreography, the characters dialogues...It's just massive pure fun. Is not that me or others hate fun or hate moe characters, music, magical girls and comedies The problem is that you cant produce an anime like "narutaru the shadow star" call it pokemon shadow and broadcast it as a part of pokemon franchise saying that it have all the elements of the first pokemon and they were just a little improved Macross was never a super serious show though. Stop acting like it was. |
Apr 5, 2016 10:42 AM
#274
ZeroG said: joshua_mai said: Do you people hate fun or what? Watching this episodes give me the most fun I have for the long time. The music, the fight choreography, the characters dialogues...It's just massive pure fun. Is not that me or others hate fun or hate moe characters, music, magical girls and comedies The problem is that you cant produce an anime like "narutaru the shadow star" call it pokemon shadow and broadcast it as a part of pokemon franchise saying that it have all the elements of the first pokemon and they were just a little improved Friendly reminder that the franchise started with a war where bunch of human space hippies fought evil teenager space vampires by giving them orgasms via music. Friendly reminder that the same franchise also had a main character who controlled his ship with an electric guitar. This is exactly in line with Macross. It just represents a different era of music that is currently prevalent in japan. Just like Macross always did |
Apr 5, 2016 10:43 AM
#275
Macross shows are always a strong hit or a miss IMO and I don't have a good vibe on this one. However most mecha shows don't start out that great, so it could improve so I'll continue to watch. I remember reading in an old anime magazine about how in the early development Macross was being planned to be a parody of MS Gundam. That changed of course but it might explain why it does seem to get more serious later in the story and in DYRL compared to the more silly first half. |
LevoApr 5, 2016 10:47 AM
Apr 5, 2016 10:48 AM
#276
Somebody halp i just can't stop listening to Ikenai BORDERLINE and Koi! HALATION THE WAR i love these so so much. All hail new Macross! |
Apr 5, 2016 10:54 AM
#277
ZeroG said: @Fai with all the respect, teenage idols versus space vampires that sucked music instead of blood is the plot of Macross 7, the Macross franchise started a bit differently You are right! The original macross was about teenager space vampires being confused about love, music and sexual relationships being defeated by power of love. How silly of me! To be honest its very easy mistake to make. One just has to remember that one has electric guitar controlled spaceships while other does not. RasberryKisses said: Somebody halp i just can't stop listening to Ikenai BORDERLINE and Koi! HALATION THE WAR i love these so so much. All hail new Macross! Same. Absolutely beautiful songs. Ikenai Borderline especially because of how un-idolish it is in terms of song tempo and vocals. |
AhenshihaelApr 5, 2016 10:58 AM
Apr 5, 2016 11:38 AM
#278
DJAzureSky said: The idols don't have magical powers though. Their holographic outfits have been something that's been around since DYRL (remember the date scene? Or is your head so far up your ass you don't remember). The jet skirts are something Sheryl and later on Alto used in the movies. They also only are able to "control" the drones because of the field that the pilots in Delta squad sets up for them. Correct. Idols literally work as a distraction/cure for enemies and a support for the actual mechas. All the fighting was done by actual pilots. |
Apr 5, 2016 11:53 AM
#279
hey, newbie around here. Just making an account just to ask somethings Im not a macross fan, never watch any of the previous series, just interested with the promotional poster all with those nice looking girl and all. Am i good to watch this one? |
Apr 5, 2016 12:03 PM
#280
@stormgrimmar Yes. Go ahead. There's no need to watch any of the previous series. All you really need to know about the Macross backstory is explained in a short blurb at the beginning of the episode. |
RengifuApr 5, 2016 12:06 PM
Apr 5, 2016 12:07 PM
#281
DJAzureSky said: The idols don't have magical powers though. Their holographic outfits have been something that's been around since DYRL. The jet skirts are something Sheryl and later on Alto used in the movies. They also only are able to "control" the drones because of the field that the pilots in Delta squad sets up for them. I guess mutual respect and refraining from offending others is something you dont understand, the same way you cant tell the difference between a sci fi and a magical girl show Also im still able to tell the difference between an holo projector and a force field projector Nothing bad in having a force field so light that a 16yo girl can wear it under a skimpy dress while she dances The only problem is that a 20 tons plane builded with the same technology shoud have a force field 1000 times stronger and the weapons to penetrate its own field so a girl wearing a mini force field that tries to distract a mecha like that, is literally dancing with the death Yeah yeah, the force fields of the drones are being recharged by another mecha This leads to more ridicolous technology problems, like having a macross sized battleship sending energy to the force fields of his fighters, making a close combat to a ship or military base impossibile for small units Sorry, i should not really talk about topics so hard to understand with someone like you Mod Edit: Edited quote of an edited post. Mod Edit: Removed baiting. |
ArdanazApr 5, 2016 2:11 PM
Apr 5, 2016 1:03 PM
#282
Damn, Mikumo is so fabulous (and such a badass). What a move to clear the rubble accumulated above one's self! Of course, the accompanying track was rather catchy and enjoyable as well. Gender bending is strong in this series, as expected. |
Apr 5, 2016 1:18 PM
#283
Can't compare to Macross F but better than Symphogear, maybe watchable. 'ride the great wind Kind of like Macross F that fighting scenes are secondary what's with the color of the wind? |
Apr 5, 2016 1:21 PM
#284
Fai said: @fst nice smear campaign attempt and flamebait. Now go back to fate fanboi threads and stay out of normal anime stuff. I have been with this website since it's inception and my "reputation" and knowledge precedes mere teens unable to deal with the fact that their beloved show was bad. audian said: so... what is the actual title for eps 1?, and is eps 1 remake from the pre-air special with an extra footage?? "EP0.89" was a preview version of Episode1. It was called Prologue on the Battlefield and it was basically unfinished version of EP1. Its a common thing in anime industry to do that. Episode 1 is the broadcast version of that with a lot of changes and a different ending. It is called " Battlefield of Valkyries" Whoa bruh chill, I'm was agreeing with you back there. No need to get all defensive when I'm reinforcing your point. But it's OK because I still got your back on this one, because I'm a nice guy. ZeroG said: If to you this is stupid, and an idol that gains magical powers when singing is normal, then ok There is no point in discussing more You wont change your opinion and i will do the same End of the story There's no "magic", everything is purely mechanical, it just looks vaguely like magic because of smoke and mirrors. People call it magic because it has things like a mahou shoujo style transformation sequence... So fucking what? Holographic outfits are nothing new for the franchise. Besides that the fighters and drones do all the heavy lifting. The singing is front and center visually, but it's not what's actually getting the job done its just a support element. It's like a David Copperfield show, except the tricks are plain for all to see. Considering that I don't see how you can argue that they took it too far with the whole power of music thing when Plus had music that hypnotized a massive audience into a stupor ZeroG said: DJAzureSky said: The idols don't have magical powers though. Their holographic outfits have been something that's been around since DYRL. The jet skirts are something Sheryl and later on Alto used in the movies. They also only are able to "control" the drones because of the field that the pilots in Delta squad sets up for them. I guess mutual respect and refraining from offending others is something you dont understand, the same way you cant tell the difference between a sci fi and a magical girl show Also im still able to tell the difference between an holo projector and a force field projector Nothing bad in having a force field so light that a 16yo girl can wear it under a skimpy dress while she dances The only problem is that a 20 tons plane builded with the same technology shoud have a force field 1000 times stronger and the weapons to penetrate its own field so a girl wearing a mini force field that tries to distract a mecha like that, is literally dancing with the death Yeah yeah, the force fields of the drones are being recharged by another mecha This leads to more ridicolous technology problems, like having a macross sized battleship sending energy to the force fields of his fighters, making a close combat to a ship or military base impossibile for small units Sorry, i should not really talk about topics so hard to understand with someone like you Have fun watching this trendy fan service garbage that have the same name of a series i watched before you were born ;) Macross has never been that much in the hard side of sci-fi for that kind of concern to count as anything more than clutching at straws. You don't want me to point out all the things that don't make sense from a technical standpoint in the franchise, we'll be here for weeks. Mod Edit: Modified quote of edited post. |
TyrelApr 5, 2016 6:09 PM
Apr 5, 2016 2:08 PM
#285
It's really annoying to see how often people here voice their opinions as the absolute truth. People are different and perceive things differently; Liking or disliking this episode doesn't make anyone smarter, or a true macros fan for that matter. It all comes to personal taste, some fans are enjoying Delta's new aspects while others not. And I don't believe every new element presented in Delta takes part of the natural evolution of the franchise, it is simple what the writers/producers want to do with the franchise atm. Kawamori & Co. could have taken a thousand different approaches for Delta, but they did what they did, and while I am deeply dissatisfied with some of these changes, I respect they decision at least. I already stated on this topic what I disliked about Delta. But it is just my opinion, and it does not make me better than anyone. Maybe Delta will become a masterpiece, maybe it will turn worse than Gundam Reconguista, who knows what future holds? |
Apr 5, 2016 2:15 PM
#286
ZeroG said: DJAzureSky said: Stop changing the subject. Just admit that you're wrong about how SDF was only serious no fun. I did not changed subject dude I was talking to another man You must have serious understanding problems, cause i never said that macross had no fun parts and was always serious i just said that macross was mainly serious, and much more serious than macross 7 The 3 zeltran spies were fun, goofy, but they also had a deep psycology Not to mention that after the war they became peddlers and had not exactly an easy life So i should admit im wrong on macross? If fun scenes make macross a funny anime thats not that serious, i guess that elfen lied is the same as macross... You're idealizing SDF way too hard that you're blind to the fact that this topic where I'm trying to tell you that Delta is a natural evolution of the elements of what make Macross. You keep bringing up other anime to try and distract everyone from the fact you clearly do not know what you're talking about. |
Apr 5, 2016 2:25 PM
#287
DJAzureSky said: You're idealizing SDF way too hard that you're blind to the fact that this topic where I'm trying to tell you that Delta is a natural evolution of the elements of what make Macross. You keep bringing up other anime to try and distract everyone from the fact you clearly do not know what you're talking about. You misunderstand again I just bring other anime as an example of what we were talking about Is not to confuse or change topic I say macross was serious cause had many adult and serious scenes You say that was not that serious, cause of many funny moments I say that the overall tone was serious, and that if some funny moments are that important, then elfen lied is a comedy as well, cause it had funny moments too I clearly dont know how you cant understand |
Apr 5, 2016 2:51 PM
#288
ZeroG said: DJAzureSky said: You're idealizing SDF way too hard that you're blind to the fact that this topic where I'm trying to tell you that Delta is a natural evolution of the elements of what make Macross. You keep bringing up other anime to try and distract everyone from the fact you clearly do not know what you're talking about. You misunderstand again I just bring other anime as an example of what we were talking about Is not to confuse or change topic I say macross was serious cause had many adult and serious scenes You say that was not that serious, cause of many funny moments I say that the overall tone was serious, and that if some funny moments are that important, then elfen lied is a comedy as well, cause it had funny moments too I clearly dont know how you cant understand If that is the case then you still cannot argue that delta is any different or that it's somehow not macross because it deals with some serious subject matter as well in the first episode. bearing in mind we are nly 1 episode in, compared to the first episode of, say, Frontier, its tonally not that different. And depending on your perspective, elfen lied could be considered a comedy because of how over the top and stupid it is. |
Apr 5, 2016 3:01 PM
#289
I disliked it a lot. The girl was ok and the song was catchy. I didn't saw the other Macross franchise but even without it the whole concept of this anime is for idol fetishism. Not to mention the bad use of violence art. |
Apr 5, 2016 3:14 PM
#290
Fredorito said: I disliked it a lot. The girl was ok and the song was catchy. I didn't saw the other Macross franchise but even without it the whole concept of this anime is for idol fetishism. Not to mention the bad use of violence art. Ah, that's a shame. I understand where you are coming from though. Macross always has a representation of the popular music in Japan at the time, while mixed in with a lot of awesome mecha fighting. This means that the music trend is idol groups such as Momoiro Clover Z, AKB48, and musr/aquors. |
DJAzureSkyApr 5, 2016 3:18 PM
Apr 5, 2016 3:21 PM
#291
Macross has gone full idol. |
Apr 5, 2016 3:22 PM
#292
@fst we will see what delta will become But sorry, my opinion is that dancing idols in macross have no place on the frontlines And to me thats already a big difference If you want to cal it an evolution of the franchise, well ok A last thing, if original macross had dancing idols like delta, and delta just fights like the original macross, i would defend the original battle idols concept and dislike a macross with just fights I dislike when a story is changed, just that |
Apr 5, 2016 3:30 PM
#293
Elazul said: It's really annoying to see how often people here voice their opinions as the absolute truth. People are different and perceive things differently; Liking or disliking this episode doesn't make anyone smarter, or a true macros fan for that matter. It all comes to personal taste, some fans are enjoying Delta's new aspects while others not. And I don't believe every new element presented in Delta takes part of the natural evolution of the franchise, it is simple what the writers/producers want to do with the franchise atm. Kawamori & Co. could have taken a thousand different approaches for Delta, but they did what they did, and while I am deeply dissatisfied with some of these changes, I respect they decision at least. I already stated on this topic what I disliked about Delta. But it is just my opinion, and it does not make me better than anyone. Maybe Delta will become a masterpiece, maybe it will turn worse than Gundam Reconguista, who knows what future holds? To be honest there's not a lot you can do with the idea of idol scene in terms of Macross. Macross always portrayed present day trends in music and the current japanese music scene is 100% crazy about idol groups. And Delta is pretty much the only feasible way I could see in transferring idol tropes into it. |
Apr 5, 2016 3:30 PM
#294
antonn said: Macross has gone full idol. It always was since Minmay tho. |
Apr 5, 2016 3:31 PM
#295
ZeroG said: @fst we will see what delta will become But sorry, my opinion is that dancing idols in macross have no place on the frontlines And to me thats already a big difference If you want to cal it an evolution of the franchise, well ok A last thing, if original macross had dancing idols like delta, and delta just fights like the original macross, i would defend the original battle idols concept and dislike a macross with just fights I dislike when a story is changed, just that Nothing has changed though. Macross is still that show about love triangles, mecha that can transform into fighters, and music. |
Apr 5, 2016 4:01 PM
#296
The cringe was real. I don't know why but i found this episode funny. Bitch was pissing in an apple container. |
Apr 5, 2016 4:07 PM
#297
During the whole episode felt I was watching a movie; good structure and quality animation. The music is great as the design of Mechas. |
I am Argentine, so is not very good my English, sorry for the many typing errors. |
Apr 5, 2016 4:15 PM
#298
DJAzureSky said: Nothing has changed though. Macross is still that show about love triangles, mecha that can transform into fighters, and music. nothing has changed? then all mecha series with idols, love triangles and mecha can be called macross, no matter how funny or tragic can become and all series with kids that command evolving monsers can be called... no wait, you will say im changing topic if i bring ANY example yeah, you are right, NOTHING CHANGED and i don't even know what im talking about, i dont even know the first series i guess i will watch it again, looking for teenaged vampire aliens who are looking for their parents and idols who are able to face a mecha with holograms and music see you |
Apr 5, 2016 4:33 PM
#299
Oh ffs ZeroG said: then all mecha series with idols, love triangles and mecha can be called macross, no matter how funny or tragic can become THIS PART HAS NOT CHANGED at least not significantly enough to be clear after 1 fucking episode. For fuck sake we don't even have a fucking love triangle yet and you're complaining that the tone is different when, in fact, we haven't yet seen enough if the series to realistically make that comparison anyways |
Apr 5, 2016 4:43 PM
#300
fst said: THIS PART HAS NOT CHANGED at least not significantly enough to be clear after 1 fucking episode. For fuck sake we don't even have a fucking love triangle yet and you're complaining that the tone is different when, in fact, we haven't yet seen enough if the series to realistically make that comparison anyways like i said while answering to you before on this SAME page: ZeroG said: @fst we will see what delta will become But sorry, my opinion is that dancing idols in macross have no place on the frontlines And to me thats already a big difference If you want to cal it an evolution of the franchise, well ok im glad that you dont consider it a change, and that you enjoy the show but i would even be more glad if you dont start to insult me cause i dont share this opinion, like DJAzureSky did thanks ^_^ |
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