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Jan 15, 2015 12:26 PM
#801
Maloghurst said: tsudecimo said: on top of what others said. Rin always cared about him because since you's seen F/Z this isnt a spoiler for youFairly meh episode, aside from Archer conversation and interaction with Shirou. Why was Rin so upset about Shirou not having fun? was it just because she cares about him? 3/5 Rin knows shirou has been taking care of sakura and looking out for her. Shirou and rin know that sakura gets beat by shinji(obviously they dont know the full extent of the abuse but they know she is being abused) Theoretically it is a HALF the reason. An omitted scene in Rin's part of prologue of UBW (EP0) has her thinking back to seeing Shirou attempt the highjumps repeatedly, failing each time, but repeating again and again till he eventually succeeded. Which was pretty much start of her crush on him |
Jan 15, 2015 12:29 PM
#802
Maloghurst said: tsudecimo said: on top of what others said. Rin always cared about him because since you's seen F/Z this isnt a spoiler for youFairly meh episode, aside from Archer conversation and interaction with Shirou. Why was Rin so upset about Shirou not having fun? was it just because she cares about him? 3/5 Rin knows shirou has been taking care of sakura and looking out for her. Shirou and rin know that sakura gets beat by shinji(obviously they dont know the full extent of the abuse but they know she is being abused) Oh right, that too. And Is that main reason why she liked Shirou before she the Holy grail started? |
Jan 15, 2015 12:30 PM
#803
CookingPriest said: Maloghurst said: tsudecimo said: Fairly meh episode, aside from Archer conversation and interaction with Shirou. Why was Rin so upset about Shirou not having fun? was it just because she cares about him? 3/5 Rin knows shirou has been taking care of sakura and looking out for her. Shirou and rin know that sakura gets beat by shinji(obviously they dont know the full extent of the abuse but they know she is being abused) Theoretically it is a HALF the reason. An omitted scene in Rin's part of prologue of UBW (EP0) has her thinking back to seeing Shirou attempt the highjumps repeatedly, failing each time, but repeating again and again till he eventually succeeded. Which was pretty much start of her crush on him this is NOT in the prologue it's actually revealed MUCH MUCH later. I would even say in the epilogue... |
Jan 15, 2015 12:31 PM
#804
tsudecimo said: Maloghurst said: tsudecimo said: Fairly meh episode, aside from Archer conversation and interaction with Shirou. Why was Rin so upset about Shirou not having fun? was it just because she cares about him? 3/5 Rin knows shirou has been taking care of sakura and looking out for her. Shirou and rin know that sakura gets beat by shinji(obviously they dont know the full extent of the abuse but they know she is being abused) Oh right, that too. And Is that main reason why she liked Shirou before she the Holy grail started? It's one reason but the post above you gave another reason. |
Jan 15, 2015 12:32 PM
#805
normalpriest said: CookingPriest said: Maloghurst said: tsudecimo said: on top of what others said. Rin always cared about him because since you's seen F/Z this isnt a spoiler for youFairly meh episode, aside from Archer conversation and interaction with Shirou. Why was Rin so upset about Shirou not having fun? was it just because she cares about him? 3/5 Rin knows shirou has been taking care of sakura and looking out for her. Shirou and rin know that sakura gets beat by shinji(obviously they dont know the full extent of the abuse but they know she is being abused) Theoretically it is a HALF the reason. An omitted scene in Rin's part of prologue of UBW (EP0) has her thinking back to seeing Shirou attempt the highjumps repeatedly, failing each time, but repeating again and again till he eventually succeeded. Which was pretty much start of her crush on him this is NOT in the prologue it's actually revealed MUCH MUCH later. I would even say in the epilogue... Yeah I thought that was in HF, and he never succeeds. It was impossible for him to succeed because the bar was too high but he kept trying anyway. That's what attracted Rin to Shirou because she could never try something over and over if she knew she would fail every time. |
Jan 15, 2015 12:33 PM
#806
tsudecimo said: as mentioned from previous posts to top this off Maloghurst said: tsudecimo said: Fairly meh episode, aside from Archer conversation and interaction with Shirou. Why was Rin so upset about Shirou not having fun? was it just because she cares about him? 3/5 Rin knows shirou has been taking care of sakura and looking out for her. Shirou and rin know that sakura gets beat by shinji(obviously they dont know the full extent of the abuse but they know she is being abused) Oh right, that too. And Is that main reason why she liked Shirou before she the Holy grail started? she developed a bit of a crush on him because he is honest, hard working, and is determined. it set him apart from the dickheads and woman beaters she's familiar with. |
Jan 15, 2015 12:35 PM
#807
normalpriest said: CookingPriest said: Maloghurst said: tsudecimo said: on top of what others said. Rin always cared about him because since you's seen F/Z this isnt a spoiler for youFairly meh episode, aside from Archer conversation and interaction with Shirou. Why was Rin so upset about Shirou not having fun? was it just because she cares about him? 3/5 Rin knows shirou has been taking care of sakura and looking out for her. Shirou and rin know that sakura gets beat by shinji(obviously they dont know the full extent of the abuse but they know she is being abused) Theoretically it is a HALF the reason. An omitted scene in Rin's part of prologue of UBW (EP0) has her thinking back to seeing Shirou attempt the highjumps repeatedly, failing each time, but repeating again and again till he eventually succeeded. Which was pretty much start of her crush on him this is NOT in the prologue it's actually revealed MUCH MUCH later. I would even say in the epilogue... No it is in prologue. Do i need to screencap it? It is exp[anded upon latter in hf. |
Jan 15, 2015 12:42 PM
#808
CookingPriest said: it's mentioned in the prologue, she goes on about it but it's not showcased as a major deal. normalpriest said: CookingPriest said: Maloghurst said: tsudecimo said: on top of what others said. Rin always cared about him because since you's seen F/Z this isnt a spoiler for youFairly meh episode, aside from Archer conversation and interaction with Shirou. Why was Rin so upset about Shirou not having fun? was it just because she cares about him? 3/5 Rin knows shirou has been taking care of sakura and looking out for her. Shirou and rin know that sakura gets beat by shinji(obviously they dont know the full extent of the abuse but they know she is being abused) Theoretically it is a HALF the reason. An omitted scene in Rin's part of prologue of UBW (EP0) has her thinking back to seeing Shirou attempt the highjumps repeatedly, failing each time, but repeating again and again till he eventually succeeded. Which was pretty much start of her crush on him this is NOT in the prologue it's actually revealed MUCH MUCH later. I would even say in the epilogue... No it is in prologue. Do i need to screencap it? It is exp[anded upon latter in hf. her monologue over shirou's dying body was a bit longer and she went into it, it further goes into the rest of her vague monologues about aquaintances and someone dropping the archery club. also how she watched "someone" during archery |
Jan 15, 2015 12:45 PM
#809
CookingPriest said: normalpriest said: CookingPriest said: Maloghurst said: tsudecimo said: on top of what others said. Rin always cared about him because since you's seen F/Z this isnt a spoiler for youFairly meh episode, aside from Archer conversation and interaction with Shirou. Why was Rin so upset about Shirou not having fun? was it just because she cares about him? 3/5 Rin knows shirou has been taking care of sakura and looking out for her. Shirou and rin know that sakura gets beat by shinji(obviously they dont know the full extent of the abuse but they know she is being abused) Theoretically it is a HALF the reason. An omitted scene in Rin's part of prologue of UBW (EP0) has her thinking back to seeing Shirou attempt the highjumps repeatedly, failing each time, but repeating again and again till he eventually succeeded. Which was pretty much start of her crush on him this is NOT in the prologue it's actually revealed MUCH MUCH later. I would even say in the epilogue... No it is in prologue. Do i need to screencap it? It is exp[anded upon latter in hf. oh yeah, i just checked, but it's not that explained at all she just says she was seing a boy running in the distant sunset and qualify herself watching from far away |
Jan 15, 2015 1:01 PM
#810
Maloghurst said: as mentioned from previous posts to top this off she developed a bit of a crush on him because he is honest, hard working, and is determined. it set him apart from the dickheads and woman beaters she's familiar with. Hmm. Will I like the Sakura reason more, it's less generic, and might make their romance less painful in the future. Also got two more questions If Archer killed Shirou, will that mean he will disappear? If so, is that why Rin went as far as using a command spell on Archer, to make sure that doesn't happen? |
Jan 15, 2015 1:04 PM
#811
tsudecimo said: Maloghurst said: as mentioned from previous posts to top this off she developed a bit of a crush on him because he is honest, hard working, and is determined. it set him apart from the dickheads and woman beaters she's familiar with. Hmm. Will I like the Sakura reason more, it's less generic, and might make their romance less painful in the future. Also got two more questions If Archer killed Shirou, will that mean he will disappear? If so, is that why Rin went as far as using a command spell on Archer, to make sure that doesn't happen? No & No |
Jan 15, 2015 1:07 PM
#812
So, Rin did that command spell, purely for Shirou's sake? no other hidden reason? That's pretty wasteful.. |
Jan 15, 2015 1:10 PM
#813
tsudecimo said: So, Rin did that command spell, purely for Shirou's sake? no other hidden reason? That's pretty wasteful.. It just shows how contradictory she is. F/Z spoilers She's supposed to be like Tokiomi but she can't do it. |
Jan 15, 2015 1:10 PM
#814
Where is that highjump image when you need it? |
Jan 15, 2015 1:12 PM
#815
tsudecimo said: Killing your ally after you just used 10 years worth of mana to save his life is wasteful?So, Rin did that command spell, purely for Shirou's sake? no other hidden reason? That's pretty wasteful.. |
Jan 15, 2015 1:12 PM
#816
HentaiPriest said: Where is that highjump image when you need it? What is the scene name that contains the actual explanation? Been a while since I read it that route. |
Jan 15, 2015 1:13 PM
#817
nocorras said: tsudecimo said: So, Rin did that command spell, purely for Shirou's sake? no other hidden reason? That's pretty wasteful.. It just shows how contradictory she is. F/Z spoilers She's supposed to be like Tokiomi but she can't do it. Yeah, and it's pretty evident in episode 12. But couldn't she have trusted Archer enough, to behave? I know she felt he isn't being himself, but I doubt Archer, would have attempted aggression against Shiro or Saber again. |
Jan 15, 2015 1:14 PM
#818
tsudecimo said: Maloghurst said: as mentioned from previous posts to top this off she developed a bit of a crush on him because he is honest, hard working, and is determined. it set him apart from the dickheads and woman beaters she's familiar with. Hmm. Will I like the Sakura reason more, it's less generic, and might make their romance less painful in the future. No no, that's not the main reason she developed the crush, or rather an "interest" in the guy, the main reason she did is literally because Shirou's able to put more value into the means rather than the results, which is something she simply cannot do. If there's something she knows she can't do, she quickly gives up, but Shirou's the exact opposite of this, which is something she found intriguing. They expand more into her reasons in HF anyway. As for the other two questions, I've already been sniped. |
UBW is basically a route about three tsunderes constantly bashing their heads against one another. |
Jan 15, 2015 1:16 PM
#819
nocorras said: No it is a comical image about the scene and how pretty much every other FSN char show Shirou that evening.HentaiPriest said: Where is that highjump image when you need it? What is the scene name that contains the actual explanation? Been a while since I read it that route. tsudecimo said: I doubt Archer, would have attempted aggression against Shiro or Saber again. lol. Ah just to be safe, I am not laughing at you but that's funny. |
Jan 15, 2015 1:21 PM
#820
Noruhma said: tsudecimo said: Maloghurst said: as mentioned from previous posts to top this off she developed a bit of a crush on him because he is honest, hard working, and is determined. it set him apart from the dickheads and woman beaters she's familiar with. Hmm. Will I like the Sakura reason more, it's less generic, and might make their romance less painful in the future. No no, that's not the main reason she developed the crush, or rather an "interest" in the guy, the main reason she did is literally because Shirou's able to put more value into the means rather than the results, which is something she simply cannot do. If there's something she knows she can't do, she quickly gives up, but Shirou's the exact opposite of this, which is something she found intriguing. They expand more into her reasons in HF anyway. As for the other two questions, I've already been sniped. Oh I see. I guess the reasons are not that important anyway, what comes after it, is. |
Jan 15, 2015 1:23 PM
#821
HentaiPriest said: nocorras said: No it is a comical image about the scene and how pretty much every other FSN char show Shirou that evening.HentaiPriest said: Where is that highjump image when you need it? What is the scene name that contains the actual explanation? Been a while since I read it that route. Got you covered (bit of HF Spoilers I think). |
UBW is basically a route about three tsunderes constantly bashing their heads against one another. |
Jan 15, 2015 1:25 PM
#822
Noruhma said: HentaiPriest said: nocorras said: HentaiPriest said: Where is that highjump image when you need it? What is the scene name that contains the actual explanation? Been a while since I read it that route. Got you covered (bit of HF Spoilers I think). [url=http://i.imgur.com/wx80FTK.jpg?1[/url]http://i.imgur.com/wx80FTK.jpg[/url] Hehe, lel |
Jan 15, 2015 1:26 PM
#823
tsudecimo said: nocorras said: tsudecimo said: So, Rin did that command spell, purely for Shirou's sake? no other hidden reason? That's pretty wasteful.. It just shows how contradictory she is. F/Z spoilers She's supposed to be like Tokiomi but she can't do it. Yeah, and it's pretty evident in episode 12. But couldn't she have trusted Archer enough, to behave? I know she felt he isn't being himself, but I doubt Archer, would have attempted aggression against Shiro or Saber again. - Archer tried to kill Shirou and Saber as collateral during battle against Berserker - He tried to kill him at the temple. - He has shown to favor Caster so Rin very rationally is afraid of him doing another collateral thing which would lead to caster killing them. |
Jan 15, 2015 1:31 PM
#824
Noruhma said: Yep thanksHentaiPriest said: nocorras said: HentaiPriest said: Where is that highjump image when you need it? What is the scene name that contains the actual explanation? Been a while since I read it that route. Got you covered (bit of HF Spoilers I think). Funny how Even Ilya wants to be part of it. |
Jan 15, 2015 1:35 PM
#825
tsudecimo said: Yeah, and it's pretty evident in episode 12. But couldn't she have trusted Archer enough, to behave? I know she felt he isn't being himself, but I doubt Archer, would have attempted aggression against Shiro or Saber again. Don't ever trust Archer... You will see why soon enough. tsudecimo said: Oh I see. I guess the reasons are not that important anyway, what comes after it, is. Yeah. Rin said that, didn't she? She just do what she likes. But that's just a simple crush. The reason she falls for Shirou in UBW is partly (I want to use "mainly", but many people won't agree with me) thanks to Archer. Without Archer, she wouldn't be able to understand Shirou well enough. |
Jan 15, 2015 1:38 PM
#826
chickenonthepan said: tsudecimo said: Yeah, and it's pretty evident in episode 12. But couldn't she have trusted Archer enough, to behave? I know she felt he isn't being himself, but I doubt Archer, would have attempted aggression against Shiro or Saber again. Don't ever trust Archer... You will see why soon enough. tsudecimo said: Oh I see. I guess the reasons are not that important anyway, what comes after it, is. Yeah. Rin said that, didn't she? She just do what she likes.But that's just a simple crush. The reason she falls for Shirou in UBW is partly (I want to use "mainly", but many people won't agree with me) thanks to Archer. Without Archer, she wouldn't be able to understand Shirou well enough. ^Not necessarily Archer part helps but all the things she observes with Shirou (rider incident, kuizuki fight, taiganapping, etc, even him not backing down in berserker encounter) are what makes her understand him, slowly but surely. Archer part ust allows her to draw the conclusion faster. She WOULD still clue in on it even without that just a bit latter. There's also the part that Shirou intentionally throws her off her comfort zone or facade, by teasing her and trolling her. Which is bound to have her grow closer to him because usual methods of preventing that do not work. |
Jan 15, 2015 1:42 PM
#827
- Archer tried to kill Shirou and Saber as collateral during battle against Berserker - He tried to kill him at the temple. - He has shown to favor Caster so Rin very rationally is afraid of him doing another collateral thing which would lead to caster killing them. I don't think so. He told Rin, he had no communication with Saber or Shirou, so that doesn't automatically means he wanted to take them out as well. Not to mention, the most important part, being at the time, they weren't official allies, but enemies as far as he is concerned. But favoring of Caster, happened after the command spell was used though. |
Jan 15, 2015 1:42 PM
#828
CookingPriest said: ^Not necessarily Archer part helps but all the things she observes with Shirou (rider incident, kuizuki fight, taiganapping, etc, even him not backing down in berserker encounter) are what makes her understand him, slowly but surely. Archer part ust allows her to draw the conclusion faster. She WOULD still clue in on it even without that just a bit latter. Uhm maybe But I'm sure she wouldn't know the terrible fate that awaits him in the future if he continues to be like that. It wouldn't move her that much and that fast. |
Jan 15, 2015 1:46 PM
#829
tsudecimo said: - Archer tried to kill Shirou and Saber as collateral during battle against Berserker - He tried to kill him at the temple. - He has shown to favor Caster so Rin very rationally is afraid of him doing another collateral thing which would lead to caster killing them. I don't think so. He told Rin, he had no communication with Saber or Shirou, so that doesn't automatically means he wanted to take them out as well. Not to mention, the most important part, being at the time, they weren't official allies, but enemies as far as he is concerned. But favoring of Caster, happened after the command spell was used though. He continues lying to Rin about his memory being hazy when clearly he remembers his past when he talks to Shirou. And just be patient, and you will see why this guy is a dick who should not be trusted. |
Jan 15, 2015 1:46 PM
#830
tsudecimo said: Rin had just told Shirou that she would let hm go for now.Archer just ignored her intentions.- Archer tried to kill Shirou and Saber as collateral during battle against Berserker - He tried to kill him at the temple. - He has shown to favor Caster so Rin very rationally is afraid of him doing another collateral thing which would lead to caster killing them. I don't think so. He told Rin, he had no communication with Saber or Shirou, so that doesn't automatically means he wanted to take them out as well. Not to mention, the most important part, being at the time, they weren't official allies, but enemies as far as he is concerned. But favoring of Caster, happened after the command spell was used though. But Archer trying to kill her ally happened before the use of the command spell. |
Jan 15, 2015 1:48 PM
#831
tsudecimo said: LOLs "what he told Rin".........- Archer tried to kill Shirou and Saber as collateral during battle against Berserker - He tried to kill him at the temple. - He has shown to favor Caster so Rin very rationally is afraid of him doing another collateral thing which would lead to caster killing them. I don't think so. He told Rin, he had no communication with Saber or Shirou, so that doesn't automatically means he wanted to take them out as well. Not to mention, the most important part, being at the time, they weren't official allies, but enemies as far as he is concerned. But favoring of Caster, happened after the command spell was used though. |
Jan 15, 2015 1:50 PM
#832
chickenonthepan said: He continues lying to Rin about his memory being hazy when clearly he remembers his past when he talks to Shirou. And just be patient, and you will see why this guy is a dick who should not be trusted. I actually was wondering about that. Did he actually remember or not, it would certainly explain some of his behavior. Maloghurst said: LOLs "what he told Rin"......... I mean as in he told her to stay back. Not that he told her, to warn Saber and Shirou. |
Jan 15, 2015 1:52 PM
#833
tsudecimo said: Just think about it.chickenonthepan said: He continues lying to Rin about his memory being hazy when clearly he remembers his past when he talks to Shirou. And just be patient, and you will see why this guy is a dick who should not be trusted. I actually was wondering about. Did he actually remembered or not, it would certainly explain some of his behavior. Is there any reason why a summoning like Rin's would cause memory damage to Archer but Saber with Shirou's accidental summoning is ok? |
Jan 15, 2015 1:53 PM
#834
tsudecimo said: chickenonthepan said: He continues lying to Rin about his memory being hazy when clearly he remembers his past when he talks to Shirou. And just be patient, and you will see why this guy is a dick who should not be trusted. I actually was wondering about. Did he actually rememberor not, it would certainly explain some of his behavior. He remembers everything. |
Jan 15, 2015 1:54 PM
#835
chickenonthepan said: Don't ever trust Archer... This needs an edit with Archer already, I only have this one with the mushroom: |
UBW is basically a route about three tsunderes constantly bashing their heads against one another. |
Jan 15, 2015 1:58 PM
#836
chickenonthepan said: tsudecimo said: chickenonthepan said: He continues lying to Rin about his memory being hazy when clearly he remembers his past when he talks to Shirou. And just be patient, and you will see why this guy is a dick who should not be trusted. I actually was wondering about. Did he actually rememberor not, it would certainly explain some of his behavior. He remembers everything. What about Saber? |
Jan 15, 2015 1:58 PM
#837
tsudecimo said: chickenonthepan said: He continues lying to Rin about his memory being hazy when clearly he remembers his past when he talks to Shirou. And just be patient, and you will see why this guy is a dick who should not be trusted. I actually was wondering about that. Did he actually remember or not, it would certainly explain some of his behavior. Maloghurst said: LOLs "what he told Rin"......... I mean as in he told her to stay back. Not that he told her, to warn Saber and Shirou. There was no way for Shirou or Saber to notice that or for Rin to warn them unless she would ignore her own self-preservation which well, no normal person can. Rin even voices her concerns to Shirou after boundary field incident saying that Archer is acting strange and they should not give any reason for him to do something stranger. She already has a precedent of Archer intentionally trying to kill shirou AND of Archer indirectly trying to kill Shirou(which would technically circumvent her second command spell) AND she has only one spell left so she can't just waste it because then she has no way of stopping him. So she does her best at trying to not have Shirou and Archer in same place. Oh and yes her remembers, even in prologue part. His sudden change in behavior after rin used the first command spell should have already been give-away that he is quite manipulative. The visual novel does even clearer job via Archer's throw away line that can be interpreted as him already knowing the town's layout tsudecimo said: chickenonthepan said: tsudecimo said: chickenonthepan said: He continues lying to Rin about his memory being hazy when clearly he remembers his past when he talks to Shirou. And just be patient, and you will see why this guy is a dick who should not be trusted. I actually was wondering about. Did he actually rememberor not, it would certainly explain some of his behavior. He remembers everything. What about Saber? Rin's questions to him in Episode 12 should have already answered that. there are hints of that in prologue even as he is very clearly seen reacting to Saber's appearance |
Jan 15, 2015 1:59 PM
#838
tsudecimo said: if there is anything about Archer that is remotely believable is that Rins safety matters to him.chickenonthepan said: He continues lying to Rin about his memory being hazy when clearly he remembers his past when he talks to Shirou. And just be patient, and you will see why this guy is a dick who should not be trusted. I actually was wondering about that. Did he actually remember or not, it would certainly explain some of his behavior. Maloghurst said: LOLs "what he told Rin"......... I mean as in he told her to stay back. Not that he told her, to warn Saber and Shirou. |
Jan 15, 2015 1:59 PM
#839
tsudecimo said: chickenonthepan said: tsudecimo said: chickenonthepan said: He continues lying to Rin about his memory being hazy when clearly he remembers his past when he talks to Shirou. And just be patient, and you will see why this guy is a dick who should not be trusted. I actually was wondering about. Did he actually rememberor not, it would certainly explain some of his behavior. He remembers everything. What about Saber? That's one of the moments he will never forget.(Saber's summoning)nRewatch his reaction when he first met her outside of Shirou's house. |
Jan 15, 2015 2:01 PM
#840
tsudecimo said: chickenonthepan said: tsudecimo said: chickenonthepan said: He continues lying to Rin about his memory being hazy when clearly he remembers his past when he talks to Shirou. And just be patient, and you will see why this guy is a dick who should not be trusted. I actually was wondering about. Did he actually rememberor not, it would certainly explain some of his behavior. He remembers everything. What about Saber? Uhm, everything... |
Jan 15, 2015 2:02 PM
#841
Noruhma said: chickenonthepan said: Don't ever trust Archer... This needs an edit with Archer already, I only have this one with the mushroom: LOL nice reference |
Jan 15, 2015 2:02 PM
#842
Okay, I take the ''she should trust Archer enough'' part back. nocorras said: That's one of the moments he will never forget. No I meant, does Saber remember The previous grail war and Kerry? |
Jan 15, 2015 2:02 PM
#844
tsudecimo said: Okay, I take the ''she should trust Archer enough'' part back. nocorras said: That's one of the moments he will never forget. No I meant, does Saber remember The last grail and Kerry? Yes Watch her reactions when Shirou says his name. She wants to know more about Kiritsugu when he's brought up. |
Jan 15, 2015 2:05 PM
#845
Then why doesn't she say anything, when Shirou talks about him? I remember one of the scenes where her face implied that she knew about Kerry's past, but then I thought that maybe she made that face, because she was worried about Shirou's injury in episode 10. |
Jan 15, 2015 2:06 PM
#846
tsudecimo said: Okay, I take the ''she should trust Archer enough'' part back. nocorras said: That's one of the moments he will never forget. No I meant, does Saber remember The previous grail war and Kerry? She already let it slip in Episode 2 that she was summoned into this age before. |
Jan 15, 2015 2:07 PM
#847
tsudecimo said: Then why doesn't she say anything, when Shirou talks about him? I remember one of the scenes where her face implied that she knew about Kerry's past, but then I thought that maybe she made that face, because she was worried about Shirou's injury in episode 10. Probably doesn't want to have to explain to him that the father he loves was kind of a dick in the previous war. Shirou would seriously hate Kiritsugu's guts if he knew the truth. Remember the Caster scene where Shirou says "As if I would ever sacrifice people to obtain my goals" |
Jan 15, 2015 2:08 PM
#848
tsudecimo said: Then why doesn't she say anything, when Shirou talks about him? I remember one of the scenes where her face implied that she knew about Kerry's past, but then I thought that maybe she made that face, because she was worried about Shirou's injury in episode 10. Shirou only sees the nice side of Kerry. Saber scares that if she tells Shirou about the real Kerry, his dream will be crushed. So she decide to keep silent. |
Jan 15, 2015 2:08 PM
#849
tsudecimo said: Then why doesn't she say anything, when Shirou talks about him? I remember one of the scenes where her face implied that she knew about Kerry's past, but then I thought that maybe she made that face, because she was worried about Shirou's injury in episode 10. Because the Kiritsugu Shirou talks about is someone Saber never met. CookingPriest said: I am sure that line is in the anine.tsudecimo said: chickenonthepan said: He continues lying to Rin about his memory being hazy when clearly he remembers his past when he talks to Shirou. And just be patient, and you will see why this guy is a dick who should not be trusted. I actually was wondering about that. Did he actually remember or not, it would certainly explain some of his behavior. Maloghurst said: LOLs "what he told Rin"......... I mean as in he told her to stay back. Not that he told her, to warn Saber and Shirou. There was no way for Shirou or Saber to notice that or for Rin to warn them unless she would ignore her own self-preservation which well, no normal person can. Rin even voices her concerns to Shirou after boundary field incident saying that Archer is acting strange and they should not give any reason for him to do something stranger. She already has a precedent of Archer intentionally trying to kill shirou AND of Archer indirectly trying to kill Shirou(which would technically circumvent her second command spell) AND she has only one spell left so she can't just waste it because then she has no way of stopping him. So she does her best at trying to not have Shirou and Archer in same place. Oh and yes her remembers, even in prologue part. His sudden change in behavior after rin used the first command spell should have already been give-away that he is quite manipulative. The visual novel does even clearer job via Archer's throw away line that can be interpreted as him already knowing the town's layout |
Jan 15, 2015 2:09 PM
#850
nocorras said: tsudecimo said: Then why doesn't she say anything, when Shirou talks about him? I remember one of the scenes where her face implied that she knew about Kerry's past, but then I thought that maybe she made that face, because she was worried about Shirou's injury in episode 10. Probably doesn't want to have to explain to him that the father he loves was kind of a dick in the previous war. Shirou would seriously hate Kiritsugu's guts if he knew the truth. Remember the Caster scene where Shirou says "As if I would ever sacrifice people to obtain my goals" This is correct. It was canonically stated by the authors of both works that if Shirou knew of how Kerry truly was(instead of being this benign carefree pacifistic goofy guy), Kiritsugu would take place as Shirou's ultimate enemy |
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