Gate: Jieitai Kanochi nite, Kaku Tatakaeri Episode 6 Discussion

Dextix said:


You havent, but by popular opinion (what many people think) , code geass and ovelord and even mahouka are really good animes even while having an op MC.

Also, if people are bitcching about an anime doesnt mean its bad. If "most people" would accept that its bad, it would show in the ratings. But the ratings show that only a minority of people accet that its bad.

Also, it doesnt seem like you understand Gate, if rokka would be "far much advanced with its plot" you could understand the plot of this anime. But you cant.

Yes, JDSF is superior to medieval people, just like any other country would. Also, how are they superior to "Chinese/Russian?Muricans" if those 3 countries were not even shown in the anime ?

Why should i fck off? If you dont like the anime, why do you watch it? Just to enjoy compplaining about it? If you drop it then you can go watch other "better" anime. Yet you dont. Andd if Gate keeps even people like you watching it, then its doing something right.

Ugoki said:


Popular opinion doesn't mean jack shit, or else 50 Shades of Gray is actually a good romance novel.

Dextix said:


If popular opinion doesnt matter, then why did you say "Most people accept it as bad already" and rely on popular opinion (most people)?

You relied on "popular opinion" when it "helped" you, and now you are so fast to cast it away when it doesnt.

Also, if popular opinion doesnt matter, then such works of art as"Mona Liza", Michelangelos David and many others are possibly shit too?

Ugoki said:


It's because it means it's not overrated. And why preach to the choir?

Dextix said:


So everything popular is overrated? Well, wow. Hipsters called, they want their mentality back.

Also, since you havent had history lessons before i will have to educate you.

Because of those people who "preached to the choir" we have science, we know about our solar system and basically we have everything modern. You know how those "preachers" succeeded?

They actually had facts and arguments to support their opinions and their "preaching to the choir" created modern technology as we know it.



The only people who say that " i wont do something because its not worth it" are quitters which cannot discuss or do anything.

Dextix said:
It isnt nonsensical. You said "Why preach to the choir" - My response was "simplified" would be like this "Those who "preached to the choir" were responsible for the biggest advancements in human history"

That was my answer to "why preach to the choir" "argument" which is used by those who cant or are too lazy to do something.


Also, i did not strawman you, you see, after me saying, again, simplified. "Why do you rely on negative popular opinion?"you said "Its because it means its not overrated" . This logically means that negative popular opinion = not overrated and positive popular opinion = overrated.


Also, as much as you would like people talking about you, i am adressing your "arguments".

Perhaps you should tell me your ARGUMENTED opinion as to why this show is bad AND why are you still wathing it after all this time?

Ugoki said:


Do you even know what "preaching to the choir" means?

And you fail at logic.

Dextix said:


I do know. And it is easy to refute your "argument"

I do not fail at logic. Arguments need argumentation (duh) to support them, you have shown none.

Also I will repeat:




Perhaps you should tell me your ARGUMENTED opinion as to why this show is bad AND why are you still wathing it after all this time?

Ugoki said:


Clearly you don't know since you're using it incorrectly.

And I have shown my arguments why this show is bad. Why don't you go reread my posts here?

Dextix said:


"This show is trash" is not an argument love. Neither is "everyone is stupid". Also your arguments have more factual mistakes than a swiss cheese has holes.

I will repeat this until you answer it:


Perhaps you should tell me your ARGUMENTED opinion as to why this show is bad AND why are you still wathing it after all this time?

There wouldnt be any problem if you were confident inyour arguments, would there?

Ugoki said:


Everyone is stupid is a legitimate argument because that's how it is. The competence factor is all hogged by the JSDF, making the show boring and tensionless.

Dextix said:


Ummm no it isnt? Every action that the fantasy guys do is explained, it is smart by their standarts. Also you forget characters that come with the MCC actually learn and act as bridges between the two cultures (Blue haired mage, and now princess pina).

Also, just because show doesnt have tension, it aint boring. Of course, it aint for action junkies that need their daily dose of action. It is a show about completely different things.

Culture clash, clash of ideals, assimilation, slavery, wars. It deals with all of these and gives quite a few deep ideas about it while also making jabs at our own, earth, history.

I will repeat it, this show isnt for action junkies, but this doesnt make it bad. It didnt make Chrome Shelled Regios bad, it didnt make Macross bad, it didnt make overlordd bad, and the list goes on.

Ugoki said:


Explained doesn't make it good. A consistent show that explains everything can be very, very boring.

You don't want tension? Fine. Then replace it with good and interesting characters. Make it more of a slice of life. But guess what, this show has shit characters too, far from the likes of fantasy slice of life such as Erin.

You say GATE deals with all that stuff you mentioned well? Haha, don't make me laugh. This is why people still need to read books even in this multimedia age.

This show isn't for action junkies? Then what's about all those people who go "FUCK YEAH MODERN WEAPONS SLAUGHTER DRAGONS!"?

Dextix said:



Boring to action junkies. Others like the slow pacing and exposition. It helps people to know more about the world. I dont think anyone would like game lgends such as Baldurs gate or Dragon age without knowing what is happening. The same goes for popular shows such as Game of Thrones.

And the characters are interesting too. But again they are not the main focus of this story. The main focus of this story is again, clash of cultures and fantasy setting meeting modern life setting, bith have problems, and both have good sides, Outbreak Company was one of the pioneers of this setting.


And yes, it deals with that stuff well, it doesnt give you everything directly, you have to think, to analyze and to see. And i indeed read books, lots of them actually, they were one my biggest passions before i started watching anime but i still havent dropped them. Talk to me when you have read at least 500 books, alright? Some of the books from my list - Animal farm, Spartacus, Stephen king books (all of them) , My brother Alex, Remarque books.

This show doesnt feed you with all its good with a spoon, no, you have to feed yourself, you have to see for yourself, it wont be like DBZ where 1 fight goes for 10 episodes.

And from your last sentence you just show how little you know about books or anime or even movies.

You see, everything goes like this.

Introduction - Action rising - Climax - Action receding - Calm - Action rising - Climax, and so on. People go "Heall yeah" for those parts, because they are cool, but they do not outstay their welcome and they do not seem to come out of nowhere (like in most of your fighting anime).


Those people which shout "hell yeah" are usually the ones that enjoyed the calm before.

Ugoki said:


Did you say the characters aren't that important compared to "muh culture clash"? You know the characters are the windows to said themes, right?

And you say both have problems and good sides. So tell me. What does the fantasy side do better than the modern side?

Oh sure, it deals with it well. By having the modern side act all self-righteous towards the fantasy side. What a joke. It's a childish view fantasy LNs are plagued with these days. Maoyuu, Outbreak Company, those dime and dozen loser pandering stories...

Are you sure you've read over 500 books? It's very easy for someone to lie over teh interwebs you know.

Dextix said:



Characters are important, and yes they are the windows to themes. But without the culture clash they wouldnt be as important as they are now. So cullture clash still takes the top.

What does fantasy side do better? Magic, respecting nature, honnor. These are the first i can say. In our culture one of these doesnt exist and others do not matter anymore.

How is it childish? This is our history! Remove magic from it and its our worlds history, our ancestors did this shit! Now we all understand how bad it was and what could have and should have been done. Its not being self rightseus, its knowing your mistakes and learning from them, and in this case, teaching others.

And i dont think you have ever seen outbreak company because it tackled completely different themes (a bit simmilar in some cases) than this one does. The MC in Outbreak Company THOUGHT he was doing something good. But there were details that showed that its not good, for example when the dwarf child doesnt want to work anymore, or when people become more angry than before.

He was a naive vehicle. But he grew up and understoo what he was doing. It was not childish. It didnt even pander to anyone, it was a good story with many different ideas.

And yes, im sure i have read more than that, too bad there isnt a book tracker like we have an anime tracker here. I have read pieces from ancient greece, rome, old empires. I have also readd modern works. I have read works which are my national heritage and classics too.

They all have their messages which are hidden. However anime culture these days ( the people which watch) want everything to be spoon fed to them and want to see fighting everywhere, they dont care to search for ddeper messages, or even search for them at all. So when an anime tries an approach like that, many ignorant people bash it for being bad just because they lack the cignitive abilities to understand something.

Ugoki said:


No no, you don't get it. It's because of the characters that there is a culture clash. So you must first write good characters if you want to write a good culture clash.

Magic? Ahahahaha, absolutely useless against modern weaponry. Respecting nature and honor? Sure, if the Empire is to be anything other than the mustache twirling dumbass villains they are now.

Our world's history? Jesus Christ, go read some actual history books for some actual history, rather than these "modern people wrecking historical people's shit" fictions.

lol Outbreak Company is all about combating muh racism with muh otaku culture. The protagonist's methods are portrayed positively.

Dextix said:


And there are good characters. Pina being one of them, and while some people dont like Itami really much he is also a nice character.

Magic isnt useless, it just wasnt used against them before as mages are quite rare even in that world. And yes, nature is respected. Things like dragons are not treated as monsters that should be exterminated, they are treated as natural disasters, they are the nature.

And the sense of honor is really appareant in the military (not the bandits). They are not the absolute villains, Pina and her knights are imperial in case you didnt get that before.


Yes ours worlds history. I think you need to read about it yourself. We human beings indeed had kingdoms and empires. We killed eachother on the command of kings and emperors for land, for religion. We had bandits that burned cities, raped women, we even have that in modern history. We had pillages, we had battles, we had war. We had slavery. All of this is portrayed in the empire and the world that the JDSF found. We are the biggest beasts and the best of predators on the earth, noone can rival us.

The empire of that world is shown exactly like that. Replace them with Roman empire and you would see no difference. They are the representation of our history, without the magic bits.

And again, it seems that either you havent watched Outbreak Company or watched it without even going deeper. There were so many hidden messages and things to notice. The protagonist methods are portrayed positively (at least in the start) but we are given subtle things that show this is not the case. It was shown many times that while otaku culture may be attractive for some it also carries a lot of bad things with it.

Combating racism was only but a part of the bigger story.


Im sorry to say this, but you are not capable of analyzing anime, like i said in my previous posts. In these kinds of anime you wont be spoonfed everything. There are subtle and hidden messages which you have to find for yourself, and if you cant, its not the shows problem, its yours.


I will better have 12 episodes of Outbreak Company and its storytelling and subtle messages than 200 episodes of DBZ, One Piece or Naruto where everything is spoonfed to you.

Dextix said:
Gonna stop the quoting as it takes up too much space.

Pina is quite a realistic character and is a nice one. She tries to be independant and show what she can do, she thinks she is smart and has the best knowledge about everything. Yet she still seems innocent in some parts of life. What i like about her especially is that she isnt a static character. She changes, she understands that she doesnt know anything and that her knights were indeed a simple plaything.

And no, this isnt a harrem, as basically no female character has showed any romantic feelings to him except for Rory.People these days do not understand that. A lot of girls does not = harem.

Yes, they get into the heads, the same happens here. The anime shows why they are doing what they do. What they are thinking. And no our history isnt as "glorious" as you or those history books would portray. Kings and queens in dark ages didnt have any "greater purpose" or something like that. They wanted power, and that is all.

And yes, he started feeling dobut and regrett halfway through the show, there were also more subtle showings of that in the changed interaction of secondary characters. And this regret comes into high gear at about episode 8 or so.

And no, its not a harem, only 2 female characters show romantic feelings for him (1 really, the other is debatale) . And yes, he is cheered one by one of them to continue fighting, but that happens in like half the anime ever and movies, and books and basically any medium.

I wont spoil the bigger story, you have already shown that you havent watched it yet talked with the confidence like you did. Just a small tip, when you begin to watch it, look at the secondary characters and how they, their actions and interactions change.

And while "Outbreak company" is indeed about otaku and him spreading his "culture" it doesnt make it pandering. Its a story. I ccan say that all anime you have rated 10 are pandering to perverts that like little children, will that make me right? No. You dont know what pandering is sadly.

I suggest you to stop shiposting on the anime you dont like, that is all. And i dont want to argue with a guy which drops an anime and then has the audacity to rate itm especially with that anime being "Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso" Which is widely recognized as one of the best romances.

Ugoki said:


lol are you saying you know better than those history books?

"It's not a harem gaiz! The girls don't love him! They just base their characters around him!" See what's wrong here?

Yep, called it. Already checked the scene and it's your usual terrible animu cheering.

Yes, it makes it fucking pandering. You're the one that doesn't know what pandering means. Fitting for Mr. "There is no good or bad anime"

Jerkhov said:
Get a room you two.

kyled00m said:
I agree with this guy. Would it be possible for Dextix and Ugoki to take this conversation to private messages please? Your long replies seem to be filling the page with a lot of unnecessary information.

Dextix said:


No, because i learned that from those history books. The sense of "purpose" didnt appear until nationalism appeared as a concept. Before people were content with existing and worshiping whatever deity they want.

And no, the female characters are not based around him. They have their own personalities and place. You can remove MC from there and they would still exist.


What do you mean, cheering, and checked what exactly? I just told you how it is.

And no, it doesnt make it pandering. Pandering by definition is ""the expression of one's views in a manner that appeals to voters" , if we apply it to anime it would be intentionally including something without any rhyme or reason in the story just to appeal to bigger audiences.

If a story is already created to be what it is, its not pandering. Becuase with your standarts we could look at every anime in existance and call it pandering.

And i dont see a problem with not judging anime as "bad" or "good" why? Because i as a human being know, that all anime is different and appeals to different audiences. I for example hate Yaoi. But i dont consider it "Bad" i just dont like it, its my taste, and every person out there has a different one.

You can find good nand bad things in every anime if you look for it, and just because you think its "bad" doesnt meant it is.


I am content with not judging anime, rather than hating on evverything that doesnt suit my tastes,

Dextix said:
There is no "Good or "bad" anime. There is only different anime.

igundam said:
aaaah, the sound of ride of the valkyries and 30mm cannonfire in the morning~

Ugoki said:


Keep on wanking those guns.

Dextix said:
We were given permission to wank our 30 mm guns everyone, ( ͡º ͜ʖ ͡º) .

Kenchiin said:
Rory-sama please take my soul

Evildragon16 said:
Heck yeah !!!!Dem otherworlders be like "DAFUQ is dat giant metal bird ??????!!!!!" and i'm like ,"U dumbasses don't stand a chance against modern warfare "

Sakiru said:
This anime is more and more boring. They literally fucked up the almost too good to be true plot.
It seems only the bunch of Naruto's fanboys still like this kind of anime. Seriously, I really want to facepalm.

You really want to watch an anime of 24 episodes, with so-called "enemies" being slaughtered with no mercy while the MC built up his harem?

I have never seen a worse MC, really. An "otaku" which by the merest chance, finds himself in the thick of the action, whereas he do his worst to be not part of the japan's army.

It would be so much better, with a MC who's afraid but with some military background and wants to protect his country, sent in recognition through the Gate to gather some intel. Not a gigantic army which has no meaning at all, before invading, it's better to see what kind of world you have in front of you... sigh. The idea was so great, and it felt so flat, really I'm disappointed.

The characters are so cliché, the tomboy girl, the timid elf, quiet wizard and crazy as fuck lolita. They have virtually no personality, special mention to the girls who join the army like that, without reason.

It would be so much better if Rory for example, was leading a resistance movement against the army and with her skills, slaughtered some of the SDF.
It would be so much better if the "wizards" in the country do something against the helicopters, tanks and others, since magic exist in that world (although it seem to be non-existant in this show).

Really, it's plain boring and could be easily improved in many ways, but no, the writer is a dumbass who wants to satisfy his lolis fantasies, with no knowledge at all in good storytelling. It looks like it was written by a teenager (as those who gave 5/5 to this episode)

It's not much the one-sided slaughter which makes this anime look flat, or the OP MC, it's because there is no goal behind the action. Really. Where is the plot ? They passed the gate and slaughtered everyone without thinking.

If I compare with Overlord, which is also an OP MC in a new world who easily slaughtered his ennemis, there is still a meaning behind that. He didn't wipe the all country whereas he has the ability to do so. No, he searched the best way to gather informations about this new world, and act gradually and wisely.

This is who you write a good plot. I'm not here to convince everybody to drop this anime, but don't tell me this story is well-written, because it's not.

Ugoki said:
This is the kind of people that watch this anime, folks.

Signore said:
At least they removed some of Rorys fanservice.

5layer said:
Asspull ending. Like the author couldn't think of a better way to separate the MC from the group.

People actually like the goth girl? She's one of the most annoying aspects of this show right now. Her and the stupid splitscreens.

Still waiting for the elf girl to actually do something. Lelei is easily the best girl in this show so far.

terrablu2003 said:
Episode very convincing, both in terms of action strategies at the diplomatic level.

Ugoki said:


No wonder you think NGNL is very good.

kataklism said:


you say that like if it's a bad thing.

you know, there's a thing called tastes, and some people like strategies and characters explaining their thoughts more than straight-up fights.