Kuraaiiya said: I didn't know you could smell what does not exist.
However, your stupidity is obvious.
LAWS SAY ITS BAD SO IT IS! - is what you're agreeing with
No. You are a child stuck on "anti-government" mode when this isn't a matter of government so much as it is intellectual property. In many cases (not all, of course), these works are a creator's legacy, pride, and joy. If they are to continue making these wonderful stories, they'll need support. Thus, the consumer needs to buy their product.
This is the simplest of concepts. If you want to live in a world where all anime should be free, then my friend, you're going to be living in a world with very little anime. No one would fund the process because there's no profit involved. Hence my comment about your ignorance.
And you're a pseudo-intelligent sheep who thinks everyone who is 'anti-government' is a stupid child.
Copyright being wrong is a fact, it's not even debatable.
If I don't watch an anime because I don't want to pay for it and there is no illegal way, the author still gets nothing. If I watch an anime illegally but find it good and become a fan, I might buy it if possible. Even if I didn't, what does the author lose? Nothing. He/She already owns the original copy, it's not 'stealing'
Resorting to logical fallacies from ignorance isn't going to change it.
I'll copy some essay for you and then you can stfu
“I met a man with a dollar. We exchanged dollars and we still both had a dollar.
I met a man with an idea, we both exchanged ideas and now we both have two ideas.”
“The genuine history of mankind is the history of ideas. It is ideas that distinguish man from all other beings. Ideas engender social institutions, political changes, technological methods of production, and all that is called economic conditions.” Ludwig Von Mises
The legal fiction of Copyright is an extension of the fraud of ownership, being the control and monopoly of intellectual ‘property’, used to extort revenue (taxation) upon the application or copying of the idea or design of the copyright holder, further imposing regulations upon another who uses the copyrighted goods, services or ideas, so dictating what someone can or cannot do with their own real resource to possess and use that resource.
These two types of possession, tangible possession and intangible possession are mutually inconsistent, if you trade your labours in natural equity you give full and complete possession over to the buyer, but in the fictional world of copyright, you sell your goods and services yet claim you still retain them in full, and wish to be paid by everyone who uses the same idea, by holding a state granted criminal monopoly privilege (privilege means- a right to steal).
“The monopolies now understood as copyrights and patents were originally created by royal decree, bestowed as a form of favouritism and control. As the power of the monarchy dwindled, these chartered monopolies were reformed, and essentially by default, they wound up in the hands of authors and inventors.” Eric E. Johnson
Copyright has never been of net benefit to society and instead serves to enrich a few at the expense of creativity, copyright is invalid because, only your labour generates wealth, if you have physical resources they are free, only the labour invested within those resources has value, while intellectual property is not scarce and is itself a resource, as knowledge builds upon knowledge, therefore to claim monopoly upon the advancement of any knowledge or ideas that themselves are an extension of existing un-monopolised ideas is inequitable, and is a selectively applied legal fiction created by the state, applied only to limited and specified monopolies.
Copying never deprives the alleged victim of the original item, and so enforcement of copyright law constitutes aggression on the part of the state to impose monopoly and privilege.
In reality intellectual property is something you can trade, but not something you can rent out, in the case of copyright they demand rent on something they have sold, but we can only own what we ourselves create, and therefore all forms of rental are definitely usurious, since it is equivalent to selling your resource, then still demanding it is your own, selling anything is transferring in entirety a justification of use, in doing so you concede all fictional rights, and possession upon it. Two parties cannot possess one thing, each, in entirety, that constitutes a fictional relation of entanglement that cannot exist naturally.
It is claimed what is to stop someone else then taking my invention, story, song or discovery and claiming it as their creation?
Being the originator of an idea does afford you advantages, for example if you write a book, and I copy your book but claim I wrote it myself that is fraud and you can seek relief. But if I copy your book and leave it unaltered, crediting you with it creation, I have caused you no harm. An author can claim things a copier cannot, for example the author can claim the first edition, the original and authorised version, the author can state clearly that their version benefits the creator of the work directly, whereas a copier could not, and those who enjoy the work of an author would seek out a copy that benefited the author.
The supporter of copyright monopoly claim the idea of plagiarism can only exist with copyright, which is utter nonsense. Plagiarism occurs when a writer duplicates another writer's language or ideas and then calls the work his or her own. To avoid the charge of plagiarism, some writers take care to credit those from whom they borrow and quote, but in reality all authors use a universal pool of existing ideas, they just combine ideas in new ways, plagiarism in respect of taking credit for a written work that another wrote is a wrongful act in equity, it needs no corporate policy to make it so, it is innately, to claim ‘falsely’ anything that is of direct detriment to another can be disputed and relief established in equity.
Höffner compared the economic effects copyright law had on authors and publishing in the United Kingdom to those in Germany in the first part of the nineteenth century when in Germany such laws had not been instituted, and found that more books were printed and read in Germany where authors, in general, also made more money.
“The roots of copyright literally lie in censorship. It was easy for State and church to control thought by controlling the scribes, but then the printing press came along, and the authorities worried that they couldn’t control official thought as easily. So Queen Mary created the Stationer’s Company in 1557, with the exclusive franchise over book publishing, to control the press and what information the people could access. When the charter of the Stationer’s Company expired, the publishers lobbied for an extension, but in the Statute of Anne (1710) Parliament gave copyright to authors instead. Authors liked this because it freed their works from State control. Nowadays they use copyright much as the State originally did: to censor and ban books.” (N. Stephan Kinsella)
Electronic versions of written works cost almost nothing to copy and disseminate, there are advantages and disadvantages to electronic versions of written works, meaning the printed version will always have a dominant place, as it is an easier medium to access and to examine and digest the contents, more satisfying and interactive in many ways.
Electronic games and software is, in general grossly overpriced, generating obscene profits for corporate monopolies, often the majority of these games, or software programs are poor or low quality, dressed up and promising far more than they deliver. The true cost of software is pennies, development cost being small in comparison to the number of copies used, people would be happy to pay the true cost of pennies, not the corporate cost; even this would generate more rewards for the actual authors if they were free of corporation, than they could have ever earned through that fiction, and if the software was popular the pennies would far exceed earnings for the labour invested.
The ‘Stars’ of film, television, literature, sport and radio cry in outrage at those who copy the monopoly of the corporations they represent, these elite Stars have millions in the bank already, yet their avarice is so insatiable they still can't stop whoring themselves upon the corporate alter.
‘Patent’ a ‘title’ of privilege copyright
Originally patents were “open letters” granted by the monarch authorizing someone to do something, as patent title, of for example a monopoly to sell certain good in a certain area, or a land monopoly to homestead land in the New World on behalf of the crown, or as monopoly copyright used by the corporations to prevent new technologies from entering the market to compete with the existing monopolies they presently enjoy. This retards natural competition, technological advance, created and maintained through State granted monopoly as a privilege of the corporations, and prevents those without financial backing from using their own creations and inventions.
In the case of the US, patents are administered by a huge federal bureaucracy that grants monopolies on the production and trade of various things, which means holders may ask the federal courts to order the use of force to stop competitors. But the competitors have not done anything that justifies force. They merely have used information to guide their actions with respect to their own resources.
Russian authorities, with Microsoft’s approval, used IP law as a “pretext for seizing computers and other materials from political opponents of the government and news organizations.”(Engadget)
Another example: Alexander Graham Bell who is credited with inventing the telephone, stole the telephone patent of an Italian inventor Antonio Meucci claiming it as his own, although he had a design it was later proven never to have worked, the true inventor took him to court but died before the case was completed. In 2002 the House of Representatives Resolution 269 recognised Antonio Meucci as the true inventor of the telephone and stated "If Meucci had been able to pay the $10 fee to maintain the caveat after 1874, no patent could have been issued to Bell"
Bell went on to monopolise the telephone defending his stolen invention over 800 times in court from those who used the idea without his consent.
Nature and copyright
Shortly after the Declaration of Independence, Congress declared that natural substances, e.g. water or salt, were God’s gift to mankind and that therefore products of nature should be limited in their patent protection. While this was a noble declaration, it has actually been used against those whose rights it would protect. It has forced private ...interests to synthetically alter natural substances -- for instance the burgeoning biotech field of recombinant DNA technology, i.e. genetically modified organisms (GMOs) -- for the sole reason that it guarantees them ownership/patent rights.
In fact, a medical system that legally requires it make a profit threatens to destroy and/or incriminate itself if non-patented, non-profitable natural substances or therapies are employed. It also results in so much collateral damage to those it purports to serve that it could rightly be called a modern form of human sacrifice.
The corporations involved in the movie, software, publishing, and music industries cry out for copyright protection, the monopoly protection afforded by the ‘legal’ system and the State Corporations allows the global legalized theft of 100’s of billions annually.
Copyright imposes artificial scarcity of innovation, invention, and creativity, as all knowledge builds upon existing knowledge, to monopolise that new knowledge stagnates, constricts and retards advancement; monopoly always has a stagnating effect, just as we see with government monopoly itself, or the banking monopoly, it creates imposition, as it exists against nature, only the threat or use of force can maintain the artificial scarcity of monopoly.
The corporations claim a loss of profits from those copying their monopoly copyright; profit is the monetary surplus added upon the cost of a product or service after accounting for wages, rent, cost of raw materials, etc., so corporate profit is added onto the actual cost of the created product or service to the end consumer, an invented amount, identical to the taxation added by the imposed State corporation that itself grants the monopoly through copyright protection.
Yeah, right. Unfortunately, the world isn't all about flowers. Although patent and copyrights are different, they still have something in common, the "property".
Say, after years of research and investment, thorough study of different models and ideas, I finally manage to create a controlled environment nuclear fusion. That's great, a new revolutionary method to have "clean" energy, right?
Now, you come to me. We talk to each other, I tell you everything and even provide "a copy" of all the documentations I produced. You aren't stealing, because you are getting a copy, right? I trusted you as much but, you, all excited and eager to be known to the world, go and take ownership of MY IDEAS and the results of many years of investment, what happens then?
Oh, yeah, what happens is that YOU will be getting all the reward whilst I will be no one.
Intellectual property is an important step forward to avoid "intellectual theft". Thus, the definition of "theft" itself should be amended accordingly.
However, it is true that today the patent system itself is flawed, just a the copyright system is. There are changes to be made, but the fundamental idea behind these two are needed and beneficial.
Well I would quite happily pay for certain anime I believe are worth paying for, but I've heard they have bad subs and looking at the price I can't justify it when I can get 1080p every single episode free to stream/download. I'd quite happily pay for a well constructed site like kissanime with all the anime available in HD and download. Maybe up to £20 a month ($30). But at the moment the free content is better than the one you can pay for so why should I pay? More to the point, downloading/streaming anime/manga for free isn't really the same thing as "stealing". When you steal something you physically take that item away so that another person can't use it. But what's really happening is you can create an endless amount of copies of anime and manga for free by distributing it online. Also, without this "illegal" practice, many Westerners would not even know about anime so probably even less people would buy anime and manga than already do now. So I don't think it really hurts the industry as much as you'd think. That's just my take on it. I could be wrong who knows.
I live in Hungary and you can hardly buy or watch animes on TV here. On TV you can watch Dragon Ball Z and Yu-Gi-Oh. And you can buy such mainstream animes very expensive like Naruto, Bleach, or Inuyasha and some Miyazaki movies. So if you want to watch something good, you can buy it online oversea (they are very expensive), or you can download or watch it online.
Since such sites like Crunchyroll aren't available in my country, we have Indavideo (a hungarian site, similar to Youtube), or some hungarian streaming sites and the english sites like Kissanime or Gogo anime.
Your breaking the law either way. It costs a lot of money to make anime and people work really fucking hard to make it. The reason why there are so many otaku pandering shows is because they are the people who buy the blu rays and support the creators. I am not condoning the Japanese business model in regards to really expensive prices, but people have to understand that anime costs money. What people you do is buy the odd bit of official merch, maybe localised blu rays ect. I personally pirate all the time but I also buy physical copies and I am steadily building a collection. Also if you have no disposable income anyway then it doesn't make a difference but I still think that if you are into anime if you start earning decent amounts, you should part with some of your cash to support the people who worked really fucking hard to make your fav shows.
rasenshiruken973 said: Well I would quite happily pay for certain anime I believe are worth paying for, but I've heard they have bad subs. I'd quite happily pay for a well constructed site like ****anime with all the anime available in HD and download. Maybe up to £20 a month ($30).
So you're basing your decisions on pure hearsay about official subtitle quality? Great, I guess the misinformation campaign by the anti-industry faction is working. Having a legal streaming site with "all the anime" would require a lot more money for licensing fees, and those costs would be duly passed to consumers. I don't know what monthly cost that might be, but even your proposal is about 4 times the CR prices that people already refuse to pay. (And not every anime even exists in HD in the first place; streaming encoder-upscaled versions would be a waste of their bandwidth and viewers'.) Not to mention, allowing anything to be downloaded devalues the content even more, since aggressive downloaders could push the per-episode price to almost nothing. Or even less than nothing, if bandwidth costs outstrip the (subscription fee) / (number of eps DLed) amount. Some have pushed for a paid-download service as opposed to streaming, but without indicating a willingness to pay per-episode prices that would bring in revenue comparable to disc margins.
Beyond that, I've never understood the whole, "CR doesn't have absolutely everything, therefore I refuse to watch anything they DO have" mentality.
More to the point, downloading/streaming anime/manga for free isn't really the same thing as "stealing". When you steal something you physically take that item away so that another person can't use it. But what's really happening is you can create an endless amount of copies of anime and manga for free by distributing it online. Also, without this "illegal" practice, many Westerners would not even know about anime so probably even less people would buy anime and manga than already do now. So I don't think it really hurts the industry as much as you'd think.
It could be called theft of services, as you're being entertained by their work without them seeing any compensation. And why the scare quotes on "illegal"? International law is pretty clear on the matter. But I assure you, people in the West did know about anime before BitTorrent and illegal streaming became prevalent. Usually via the same localized TV dubs that pirates fueled by unwarranted licensee resentment love to hate on.
Plus, who's to say that these "many Westerners" exposed via piracy won't come to the same conclusions you did? Namely, these:
Looking at the price I can't justify it when I can get 1080p every single episode free to stream/download. But at the moment the free content is better than the one you can pay for so why should I pay?
Setting aside my skepticism that every episode of every series ever is actually available in genuine 1080p, this is just "Do as I say, not as I do" philosophy. Statements like "there is no logical reason to pay for anime if you can pirate it for free" and "piracy is good because it encourages other people to buy anime" are mutually exclusive. It's like nobody ever says: "the best sign of a good worldview is one that requires as few people as possible to adopt it."