| ^You have no idea what youre talking about and sound extremely delusional right now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate Lain_ said: People are animals though.Fujiwara-TOFU said: A small (but vocal) part of society would call it social science. But i actually agree with you. Its all BS. it's bullshit in the point where there are people identifying themselves as animals and the so called "otherkin" |
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| You have no idea what I'm talking about and you sound extremely delusional Seriously, if you think I'm talking about 'suicide rates' you might want to read my post again. |
[i]"Yet each man kills the thing he loves, [/i]By each let this be heard, Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word, The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword!'' ~Oscar |
| What if I told you I am SecondCitySaintsexual |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
geniobastardo said: You spoke of happiness as if collective cultures are better. Also non-conformity =/= anti-conformity in case youre not aware.You have no idea what I'm talking about and you sound extremely delusional Seriously, if you think I'm talking about 'suicide rates' you might want to read my post again. |
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SecondCitySaint said: So i recently found about about sexualities such as demisexuality, lithsexuality, intrasexuality, sapiosexuality etc. and genders such as genderfluid, genderqueer, aliengender, agender etc. Is this like a bunch of made up shit started by tumblr users who feel like special little snowflakes or what ? Cause it sounds like it to me. EDIT : Here's an entire list of those "sexualities" : http://imgur.com/a/KjVm9 What do you guys think ? They were created so they can have this thing called gender studies and pretend they actually studied something and have a degree. |
traed said: geniobastardo said: You spoke of happiness as if collective cultures are better. Also non-conformity =/= anti-conformity in case youre not aware.You have no idea what I'm talking about and you sound extremely delusional Seriously, if you think I'm talking about 'suicide rates' you might want to read my post again. I didn't. Merely implying 'relativity' of it. I could go into details about it but clear up your mind I'm not advocating for anything. I'm merely opposing Libertarians. Anti-conformity is the next step of non-conformity. One's obesity, the other's diabetes. |
[i]"Yet each man kills the thing he loves, [/i]By each let this be heard, Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word, The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword!'' ~Oscar |
| Yeah, the same tumblr users who create this bullshit are the same users who try to shit on white people and then say "it's not racist 'cuz ur white lmao #whitepplsuk!" Also check this out http://squirrrelygirly.tumblr.com/ This girl literally identifies as a squirrel, and stated that when she had children she'd only feed them nuts because of "who" she is. |
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DrCoppelius said: TheBrainintheJar said: I'm talking about biological sexuality, not gender identity. The impresson I got is that gender identity is something society came up with so everyone will know their place. The result is a lot of misogyny, misandrt, rape and violence. No one has proven to me gender identities are biological, something in our nature. Gender identities look to me like a social construct, which means we can get rid of them. I think we should. I don't see how barriers between men and women help anyone. What ancient cultures has no bearings on what is true. Ancient cultures were full of crazy beliefs. Essentially, I don't believe biological sex = gender so I'm calling you wrong here. You brought up science, but science neither disproves gender nor proves it so you have no basis to stand upon when you bring up science. But if you really wish for scientific data to somewhat support my claims, well it may not be totally conclusive because research is still heavily ongoing and there are lots of factors to take into account, but still, here you go: Details several differences found between genders, including a possible one in "a structure called the third interstitial nucleus of the anterior hypothalamus" that differs in size from gender (and transsexuals tend to have the size of the opposite gender but it does also specify findings were limited in that particular research): http://www.theguardian.com/science/neurophilosophy/2013/oct/06/male-brain-versus-female-brain Notes rates of transitioning within twins (have both twins transitioned, essentially) and notes three cases where twins have been separated young, had no contact between each other for a long time and yet still both transitioned: http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2010to2014/2013-transsexuality.html The oft-cited case of David Reimer: http://articles.latimes.com/2004/may/13/local/me-reimer13/2 To be noted that John Money was a crook and treated David fairly terribly from what I hear, so that definitely influenced the study. I mostly brought up the two-spirited thing because you called the new genders part of a new movement. That's nice to say, but third genders and/or transsexuality aren't limited to today. I don't see why it's not possible to treat each other equally even if we have differences. We're all human after all. "so any observed differences between the brains of men and women could also be due to differences in upbringing and socialization. To date, though, very little research has been done to investigate how different nurturing styles might influence brain development." Interesting article, nevertheless. I'm going to take my statement back and say there's insufficient data whether gender identity is a serious thing, or whether it's crap society came up with to create order. The problem is, as stated in the article that people are afraid to question the idea of gender identity. That's why even scientist exaggerate the difference between male and female. I'm not saying gender identity doesn't exist - but we need to statt imagining a world where it doesn't, so we could truly know if it does or doesn't. That said, of course I'm against any discrimination and violence agains transexuals. I also don't see a reason to stop sex-change operations. Even if I have my doubts regarding transeuxality, it's not an idea that harms people. I stand corrected regarding your ancient cultures arguement. |
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SecondCitySaint said: RedTie47 said: A new one every day. The GenderDex just keeps evolving. I don't even bother paying attention to them. Pretty much. I just came across this : http://imgur.com/a/KjVm9 They should make a gender dictionary |
| Sexuality and gender are fluid things, I support and respect that. The sex you were born as doesn't always automatically define the gender you feel you are. Hell I'm not cis myself! But all those flowerkins and beekins and whatever-kins and -genders can eff off and stop smoking all that crack for a minute - you are NOT a flower or a moose or whatever you think you identify with. WTAF is a "gloomgender"??? This feels like someone's really enjoying taking a piss on feeling like a very special snowflake. |
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| I read 'eafluid' as 'earfluid' and I had to stop and wonder exactly what kind of person identifies themselves as being earfluid... |
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| If they don't bother me I won't bother them. Whatever makes them feel happy. Not into all the tumblr stuff myself though. |
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Rarusu_ said: When we speak of individualistic cultures, we should not confuse it with libertarianism in politics. Firstly, the fact that Northwestern european societies are individualistic isn't a new thing. They have more or less always been individualistic in relation to their time and other cultures. Sweden and Norway for example has never lived under feudalism. People have been moderatley free and taken responsibility for that freedom. England and the Netherlands have also been moderstely free countries, and it is not strange at all that the USA was founded on principles of individual freedom and that people was going to make a living on their own. Are these societies immoral? Well it depends on your stance in morality of course. I would say that protestant culture is very strict myself with virtuos such as discipline, modesty, diligence, loyalty and obedience. Protestant countries are known for low crime-rates and the people pay their taxes, hence why these states are historically very well organized and have been able to enjoy the high standard of living they have today. Is protestantism collectivistic? Not at all, it probably made people even more individualistic in the end, and just because people are less religious today, and are more tolerant to other lifestyles, doesn't mean that we have abandon our values. And like traed also linked, the suicide rates is quite low in this part of the world. You can also check up happiness by country. Individuality is one of many products (or by-products depending on your perspective) of Libertarianism. That's why I made the connection. Look, my problem is a 'theoretical' one; it's with the idea of 'individualism'. The 'happiness' levels of such countries is almost irrelevant to me. I've already explained the typical procedure that individualistic societies follow, let me reiterate with further elaboration: X guy has an abnormality. So, he's different from the 'norm'. But his society is an individualistic one. There's no such thing as a 'norm' in his society. He gets a label for himself and is just as much a part of the society as the norm (if it ever existed). Now, the end result is: you have a society divided into thousand pieces with no such thing as a 'control' or a 'norm'. But, reality is, there is a 'norm'. It just doesn't have a title. Only those live, ultimately, happy lives who - voluntarily or involuntarily- subscribe to that norm. Ever wondered why many young people today indulge themselves into substance abuse and other 'vices' like that? The countries that top the list in suicide rates mainly present the reasons for suicide as poverty, unemployment, domestic disputes etc. Northwestern European countries have none of those problems. So, suicide isn't a legitimately good argument. If you have none of that, we would obviously expect you to do far better than what's already going on. I'm not seeing very polished, talented people gushing forth from Europe with the caliber that could change the world. I mean, there was a guy I knew from my city. He used to bake chapatis at a local hotel. His monthly pay was hardly around Rs.5000 ($50 USD) but his academics were excellent. Excellent enough to land him in Cambridge, Harvard or Universities such as that. But he ended up going to a third-grade University in here because he couldn't afford any other. On the other hand, if he was in Europe, we would expect something far different. He'd probably have indulged himself into substance abuse by now...probably. We have to admit it, the only thing keeping up countries in the Northwestern Europe is the material prosperity which you've already stated the cause for. If it wasn't for that, we would be seeing Sweden at the top of the suicide rate list. /rant |
[i]"Yet each man kills the thing he loves, [/i]By each let this be heard, Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word, The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword!'' ~Oscar |
| So much hate against freedom here. If a person wants to identify as a opiosexual wolfkin helicopterist, they are free to do whatever they want because there's no such thing as gender. (obvious sarcasm should be obvious.) |
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| its not really a big deal imo, as long as people are comfortable with their identities |
| Yeah, y'know, we're all just heterosexual cisgendered white people, right? |
mayukachan said: Yeah, y'know, we're all just heterosexual cisgendered white people, right? It's fine to identify as the opposite gender, but claims that one is a different race than they were born to be, a different ethnic group, or more extreme is where most draw the line. |
| It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou YandereTheEmo said: The only thing more pathetic than quoting someone you know nothing about, is quoting yourself. |
YandereTheEmo said: mayukachan said: Yeah, y'know, we're all just heterosexual cisgendered white people, right? It's fine to identify as the opposite gender, but claims that one is a different race than they were born to be, a different ethnic group, or more extreme is where most draw the line. Well, it's not as if gender is a binary thing, though. |
| I have a friend who is a girl, and she wants to have surgery to become a guy, I think that's transgender or whatever. She's so into it that, that she gets legit angry at me whenever I refer to her as a girl. Personally I couldn't care less about those genders, I'm just ordinary in that sense. Honestly there really shouldn't be more than lesbian, gay, or straight. Most of the other stuff falls under the same category or they make up a word for it. |
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mayukachan said: YandereTheEmo said: It's fine to identify as the opposite gender, but claims that one is a different race than they were born to be, a different ethnic group, or more extreme is where most draw the line. Well, it's not as if gender is a binary thing, though. Well, in order for someone to assert that there's value in being transgendered, they must also assert that there is some value (most likely rooted in sexual dimorphism) for such gender to exist. The gender arbitrarity is the thesis of transphobia, if I dare say. |
| It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou YandereTheEmo said: The only thing more pathetic than quoting someone you know nothing about, is quoting yourself. |
YandereTheEmo said: mayukachan said: Well, it's not as if gender is a binary thing, though. Well, in order for someone to assert that there's value in being transgendered, they must also assert that there is some value (most likely rooted in sexual dimorphism) for such gender to exist. The gender arbitrarity is the thesis of transphobia, if I dare say. It's called being genderqueer, from what I've read. People who refer to themselves as "they". |
mayukachan said: YandereTheEmo said: It's fine to identify as the opposite gender, but claims that one is a different race than they were born to be, a different ethnic group, or more extreme is where most draw the line. Well, it's not as if gender is a binary thing, though. Imo, you can wish you were born a different race/sex but in the end of the day you are still whatever you were born to be. There is a difference between changing your sex/ideology if it makes you more comfortable ( hell I'd even encourage it), and claiming that you are something that you are not. A man that get a sex change surgery and fake boobs and act like what society consider to be a girl might be all the closer to whatever he wishes to be but he's still a man in the end. It's sad that people that want a sex change surgery, implants and/or act like whatever society determined to be the proper way to be a male/female can't assume their wants without having to justify it by saying they identify as something else. We get it, some guys want a vagina and dress in women clothes. That doesn't make them a girl but if it makes them happy then I'd say go for it. |
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mayukachan said: YandereTheEmo said: Well, in order for someone to assert that there's value in being transgendered, they must also assert that there is some value (most likely rooted in sexual dimorphism) for such gender to exist. The gender arbitrarity is the thesis of transphobia, if I dare say. It's called being genderqueer, from what I've read. People who refer to themselves as "they". That still means there's a binary--one who is intermediate or both (equal on both ends), inherently is between the two poles, which thus verifies the inherence of the binary. |
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