Are You Smarter Than a Loli? Find out in this Loli Logic Puzzle

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Kenjataimu said:

Ryugen said:
Can you not turn a math question into something pedophilic?

It's only pedophillic if you answer incorrectly

It's only pedophilic if you're ignorant.

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Hitler was good, objectively.

Apr 23, 2015 5:59 PM

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Ryugen said:
Can you not turn a math question into something pedophilic?

Let me ask you this: when these kinds of puzzles are originally crafted, for wide circulation in places including sophisticated and academic contexts, what kind of theme/subject matter would the creator be LEAST likely to include in them?

And by extension, if someone wanted to rewrite one of these puzzles in a format that is LEAST likely to show up in online search results, would it not make sense to include this subject matter in their reformulation?

Apr 23, 2015 6:02 PM

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Solipsistic said:

Ryugen said:
Can you not turn a math question into something pedophilic?

Let me ask you this: when these kinds of puzzles are originally crafted, for wide circulation in places including sophisticated and academic contexts, what kind of theme/subject matter would the creator be LEAST likely to include in them?

And by extension, if someone wanted to rewrite one of these puzzles in a format that is LEAST likely to show up in online search results, would it not make sense to include this subject matter in their reformulation?

You shouldn't have made it with hundreds though.

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Hitler was good, objectively.

Apr 23, 2015 6:06 PM

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All pink lolis and possibly some red lolis but not all red lolis. At the night after the exercise.

Apr 23, 2015 6:07 PM

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Immahnoob said:
You shouldn't have made it with hundreds though.

Hundreds of what? Changes in the wording? I mean, I had to ensure that literally every sentence had a different structure and no two of the same consecutive words as the original, otherwise I ran the risk of discovery. Ultimately this probably did make the puzzle a little more convoluted than its original form, but if anything, solving it would just be more impressive, since it shows the solver is able to parse through which information is actually relevant to the puzzle, and which is just me pandering to my audience.

Apr 23, 2015 6:13 PM

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Adding in irrelevant information to make it harder isn't really the most [i]logical[/i] of things when we're talking about quite a hard puzzle.

Well, the hundred stamps was a bad idea, you shouldn't have made it like that.

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Hitler was good, objectively.

Apr 23, 2015 6:16 PM

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Immahnoob said:
Adding in irrelevant information to make it harder isn't really the most [i]logical[/i] of things when we're talking about quite a hard puzzle.

Well, the hundred stamps was a bad idea, you shouldn't have made it like that.

You mean I should have done less than a hundred stamps? Or I shouldn't have used stamps at all? If I used the original colored things or even something close like

i thought it'd be too risky

Apr 23, 2015 6:46 PM

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hm

well

right?
maybe?

did i leave a gap?

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Apr 23, 2015 6:53 PM

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WingsOfValor said:

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I think I saw a puzzle kinda like this on Sket Dance

Oh yeah, that kinda rings a bell. I have still no idea though. ~.~

Yus, it was the jail one where there were 3 guys with different hat colors

Though it sounds similar raising that number to 100 makes me confused ._.

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Apr 23, 2015 7:03 PM

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I doubt this is the answer since you're asking about mathematical/logical thinking but might as well get a reply on it.

Apr 23, 2015 7:05 PM

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Involtus said:
hm

well

right?
maybe?

did i leave a gap?

nicely done. one note on your last sentence, though:

Give the bonus a try! You gave a nice explanation for the original, and I still haven't read a perfectly clear one for the bonus. If you're able to do it, I might learn something from this too

Apr 23, 2015 7:08 PM

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Already realized the flaw in my answer =S.

Apr 23, 2015 8:33 PM

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xEmptiness said:
I think the answer I gave on Skype is right?... Is it?

hahahahah

Apr 23, 2015 8:41 PM

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"You're weird Immahnoob, Calculus isn't fun."

Likes logical puzzles.

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Hitler was good, objectively.

Apr 23, 2015 8:46 PM

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Immahnoob said:
"You're weird Immahnoob, Calculus isn't fun."

Likes logical puzzles.

As far as math goes, calculus is fairly far from "logical puzzle" type thinking. That's more discrete math, which has basically zero relation to calc.

Apr 23, 2015 8:49 PM

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That wasn't my point, but whatever.

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Hitler was good, objectively.

Apr 23, 2015 8:56 PM

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Immahnoob said:
That wasn't my point, but whatever.

You were pointing out the apparent hypocrisy of calling someone weird for liking calc and yet liking logic puzzles yourself. But that's only hypocritical if calc and logic puzzles involve the same kind of thinking. I'm saying they don't. So it makes sense someone could like one and think the other's "weird" to like

Apr 23, 2015 9:00 PM

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This is a relatively simple puzzle.

I have a lecture now, so I might type up some more later in a few hours.

Apr 23, 2015 9:01 PM

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tl;dr

Apr 23, 2015 9:02 PM

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Bullshit.

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Apr 23, 2015 9:02 PM

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Tacoo said:
tl;dr

you mean td;cs

Apr 23, 2015 9:03 PM

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Does the student council pres only say it once, or every night? And how do you know they are talking about a different girl every night?

The way you worded this problem is bad.

Apr 23, 2015 9:04 PM

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Solipsistic said:

Immahnoob said:
That wasn't my point, but whatever.

You were pointing out the apparent hypocrisy of calling someone weird for liking calc and yet liking logic puzzles yourself. But that's only hypocritical if calc and logic puzzles involve the same kind of thinking. I'm saying they don't. So it makes sense someone could like one and think the other's "weird" to like

If you want to limit yourself to that single comparison, then sure, you're completely right.

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Autocrat said:
Hitler was good, objectively.

Apr 23, 2015 9:18 PM

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By taking this quiz you have assured yourself that you're a retard.

Apr 23, 2015 9:19 PM

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Consequent said:
By taking this quiz you have assured yourself that you're a retard.

How come?

Apr 23, 2015 9:21 PM

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Consequent said:
By taking this quiz you have assured yourself that you're a retard.

You're just salty that you can't solve it aren't you?

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Apr 23, 2015 9:21 PM

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Kenjataimu said:

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By taking this quiz you have assured yourself that you're a retard.

You're just salty that you can't solve it aren't you?

I actually haven't even looked at OP yet.

Apr 23, 2015 9:25 PM

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Kenjataimu said:

Consequent said:
By taking this quiz you have assured yourself that you're a retard.

You're just salty that you can't solve it aren't you?

People like her don't read the OP to avoid a huge blow to their ego because as soon as they've entered this thread, they've realized they're too dumb to solve it.

Apr 23, 2015 9:27 PM

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Hahahaha, you're hilarious. Thinking you know me so well.

Apr 23, 2015 9:32 PM

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Impenetrable said:

Kenjataimu said:

You're just salty that you can't solve it aren't you?

People like her don't read the OP to avoid a huge blow to their ego because as soon as they've entered this thread, they've realized they're too dumb to solve it.

Damn son. You so smart to have figured that out.

Apr 23, 2015 9:33 PM

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Consequent said:
Hahahaha, you're hilarious. Thinking you know me so well.

I don't need to read your uneventful autobiography to know the likes of you.

Apr 23, 2015 9:39 PM

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Impenetrable said:

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Hahahaha, you're hilarious. Thinking you know me so well.

I don't need to read your uneventful autobiography to know the likes of you.

Look at that sauciness you hold. You entertain me well. Do tell more about how much of my character you can assume from measly forum posts.

Apr 23, 2015 9:44 PM

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Consequent said:

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I don't need to read your uneventful autobiography to know the likes of you.

Look at that sauciness you hold. You entertain me well. Do tell more about how much of my character you can assume from measly forum posts.

What pretentious verbiage. Do you envision yourself as an enchantress who is pleasantly amused by the follies of the little man who accidentally stumbled upon her deserted lake? Pls. Your affectation of composure and class doesn't fool anyone.

Apr 23, 2015 9:53 PM

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Impenetrable said:

Consequent said:

Look at that sauciness you hold. You entertain me well. Do tell more about how much of my character you can assume from measly forum posts.

What pretentious verbiage. Do you envision yourself as an enchantress who is pleasantly amused by the follies of the little man who accidentally stumbled upon her deserted lake? Pls. Your affectation of composure and class doesn't fool anyone.

lol this post seems a little hypocritical to me, but it's somewhat true.

It's getting angsty in here.

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Apr 23, 2015 9:55 PM

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So much salt in here.

Apr 23, 2015 9:56 PM

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Kenjataimu said:

Impenetrable said:

What pretentious verbiage. Do you envision yourself as an enchantress who is pleasantly amused by the follies of the little man who accidentally stumbled upon her deserted lake? Pls. Your affectation of composure and class doesn't fool anyone.

lol this post seems a little hypocritical to me, but it's somewhat true.

It's getting angsty in here.

Some people affect the appearance of hypocrisy in order to mock someone.

Apr 23, 2015 9:59 PM

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Impenetrable said:

Consequent said:
Hahahaha, you're hilarious. Thinking you know me so well.

I don't need to read your uneventful autobiography to know the likes of you.

#fukkenrekt

Apr 23, 2015 10:01 PM

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Gholy said:
So much salt in here.

This shit ain't good for my blood pressure mayne.

Apr 23, 2015 10:03 PM

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PoeticJustice said:

Gholy said:
So much salt in here.

This shit ain't good for my blood pressure mayne.

RIP PoeticJustice 1994-2015. Killed by salty MAL users.

Apr 23, 2015 10:59 PM

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holy shit is this what they call MAL drama

OP: too stupid to figure this out. I give up.

Apr 23, 2015 11:16 PM

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I hope that makes sense

Apr 24, 2015 4:29 AM

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i solved the puzzle in a better way than the existing solution, ill paste answer from Daneberenden skype here. i knew being stone would lead me on the right track.

(xemptiness and programmargorp modified this principle to create a scenario where every loli leaves in the first day, read that instead because its perfected and probably easier to understand)

[13:07:45] eririri: everyone leaves on the first day
[13:08:17] eririri: because "you should assume that the lolis will be trying to leave as soon as possible"
[13:09:13] eririri: then the best way for logically perfect beings is to coordinate leaving groups of 3 or larger
[13:09:46] eririri: the logically perfect beings run a random number generator in their head and decide whether to get up to leave or not
[13:10:28] eririri: lets say in the first round, 5 lolis get up to leave. if there was 2 pinks and 3 reds in the groups, theyll stop leaving because they cant be sure of their colour
[13:11:13] eririri: if however the random gorup is all red, each loli will see 4 other red lolis in their group, and will proceed to exit
[13:11:34] eririri: each loli in the group knows that:
[13:11:45] eririri: 1: there are 4 red lolis in this group
[13:12:17] eririri: 2: if i am a red loli, each of them will see 4 red lolis, and we will all proceed to exit
[13:13:14] eririri: 3: if i am a colour other than red, they will stop leaving because then not everyone in the group is sure to be the same colour, and they will stop leaving
[13:14:23] eririri: so the leaving will be randomly distributed in small groups until all lolis leave, in the first night

To clarify: this solution obviously assumes that all lolis are perfectly logical beings. Since this IS the best way to leave as soon as possible, all the lolis would know that each other loli also knows this solution.

There is no explicit collaboration between the lolis, because all they do is make a random decision about whether to get up or not, and then proceed if they see that all other lolis who have stood up are of the same colour.

The imperfection of this solution is that in the end, there may the a scenario of 2 red lolis and 2 pink lolis left, and it would then be impossible to form leaving groups because it requires a minimum of 3 lolis. Although since they are perfectly logical beings, they would probably think of something to avoid this scenario.

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Apr 24, 2015 4:58 AM

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eririri said:
i solved the puzzle in a better way than the existing solution, ill paste answer from skype here. i knew being stone would lead me on the right track.

[13:07:45] eririri: everyone leaves on the first day
[13:08:17] eririri: because "you should assume that the lolis will be trying to leave as soon as possible"
[13:09:13] eririri: then the best way for logically perfect beings is to coordinate leaving groups of 3 or larger
[13:09:46] eririri: the logically perfect beings run a random number generator in their head and decide whether to get up to leave or not
[13:10:28] eririri: lets say in the first round, 5 lolis get up to leave. if there was 2 pinks and 3 reds in the groups, theyll stop leaving because they cant be sure of their colour
[13:11:13] eririri: if however the random gorup is all red, each loli will see 4 other red lolis in their group, and will proceed to exit
[13:11:34] eririri: each loli in the group knows that:
[13:11:45] eririri: 1: there are 4 red lolis in this group
[13:12:17] eririri: 2: if i am a red loli, each of them will see 4 red lolis, and we will all proceed to exit
[13:13:14] eririri: 3: if i am a colour other than red, they will stop leaving because then not everyone in the group is sure to be the same colour, and they will stop leaving
[13:14:23] eririri: so the leaving will be randomly distributed in small groups until all lolis leave, in the first night

To clarify: this solution obviously assumes that all lolis are perfectly logical beings. Since this IS the best way to leave as soon as possible, all the lolis would know that each other loli also knows this solution.

There is no explicit collaboration between the lolis, because all they do is make a random decision about whether to get up or not, and then proceed if they see that all other lolis who have stood up are of the same colour.

The imperfection of this solution is that in the end, there may the a scenario of 2 red lolis and 2 pink lolis left, and it would then be impossible to form leaving groups because it requires a minimum of 3 lolis. Although since they are perfectly logical beings, they would probably think of something to avoid this scenario.

chartmaster xEmptiness-kun visualized this idea in the post below, its easier to understand that than the text here.

I like your solution.

@xE your flowcharts are bad and you should feel bad.

Apr 24, 2015 5:09 AM

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http://www.xkcd.com/blue_eyes.html
https://xkcd.com/solution.html

One day was enough. Here.

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Hitler was good, objectively.

Apr 24, 2015 5:20 AM

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Immahnoob said:
http://www.xkcd.com/blue_eyes.html
https://xkcd.com/solution.html

One day was enough. Here.

This solution has already been posted a few times. Right now the question is whether Eririri's answer is also acceptable.

Apr 24, 2015 5:21 AM

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