Do you like the mecha genre? Why?
HandsomeMan said: I am not saying that as I don't like it, it is bad. I am saying that as it is bad, I don't like it. Ergo, it's still bad.The way you wrote your poll choices make you sound extremely condescending and making it look like you hate the genre. Of course you confirmed that in your post. Anyway to answer the question it is because I love science fiction and technology, so a genre which relates to that is appealing and interesting for me. Next time try to learn how to write topics better so you won't look like an asshat. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's bad, kid. Feaor said: In that case, you don't really like mecha, you just like all the other elements that surround the anime itself, except for the mecha element. Such ironic fate. Thing is, the other genres can usually offer better characters and plot, the mecha genre severely limits the scope of the other elements.Same as any other genre, plot and characters etc. |
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| Are you trying to be funny or something? In case you didn't realise, what you said is still a matter of personal opinion and what you think is bad might be good for someone else out there. Otherwise what you say makes you sounds like something a child would say. |
HandsomeMan said: You are once again misinterpreting my words. I am not saying that mecha can't be good for other people; There are people with all kind of tastes, I don't doubt that there is someone out there with taste for the outdated animation style that the mecha genre has. What I am saying is: The only reason I think it is bad and thus dislike it is because, objectively speaking, mecha is inferior to other genres. It is like a huge bottle cap that limits the anime's potential by a lot. Code Geass proves that.In case you didn't realise, what you said is still a matter of personal opinion and what you think is bad might be good for someone else out there. |
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lupadim said: That's a pretty bold statement coming from someone who hasn't seen that much anime, I still haven't watched that much but I'm not generalizing about quality of genres which I haven't really watched.Feaor said: In that case, you don't really like mecha, you just like all the other elements that surround the anime itself, except for the mecha element. Such ironic fate. Thing is, the other genres can usually offer better characters and plot, the mecha genre severely limits the scope of the other elements.Same as any other genre, plot and characters etc. |
Feaor said: I've tried some of the most famous mecha anime, such as Gundam. I didn't add them to my list because I stopped adding dropped anime to my list since a long time ago, but from what I saw, it had no appeal at all. There are many people in this thread that agreed with me, so it's not really just my opinion, it's more like the opinion of multiple users.lupadim said: That's a pretty bold statement coming from someone who hasn't seen that much anime, I still haven't watched that much but I'm not generalizing about quality of genres which I haven't really watched.In that case, you don't really like mecha, you just like all the other elements that surround the anime itself, except for the mecha element. Such ironic fate. Thing is, the other genres can usually offer better characters and plot, the mecha genre severely limits the scope of the other elements. |
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Lancehot said: So is THAT the appeal behind mecha? What you said makes sense and I might actually agree. In other words, the appeal behind mecha is pleasing the overweight/sedentary fans of anime, or just the people that can identify themselves with the mecha pilots in general. The problem is that not all the anime fans will be appealed by that fact (because there are some fit anime fans), so wouldn't that mean mecha has no appeal at all for some people?Mechs have all the magic superpowers of fantasy characters, but because they're a robot they could in theory be piloted by our fatnerd selves without us having to do anything about our fatness. |
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lupadim said: Still sweeping generalizations are stupid, next you're going to tell me that Sports anime suck because other genres offer better characters and plot.'ve tried some of the most famous mecha anime, such as Gundam. I didn't add them to my list because I stopped adding dropped anime to my list since a long time ago, but from what I saw, it had no appeal at all. There are many people in this thread that agreed with me, so it's not really just my opinion, it's more like the opinion of multiple users. |
Lancehot said: Mechs have all the magic superpowers of fantasy characters, but because they're a robot they could in theory be piloted by our fatnerd selves without us having to do anything about our fatness. This guy knows the truth. |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
lupadim said: HandsomeMan said: You are once again misinterpreting my words. I am not saying that mecha can't be good for other people; There are people with all kind of tastes, I don't doubt that there is someone out there with taste for the outdated animation style that the mecha genre has. What I am saying is: The only reason I think it is bad and thus dislike it is because, objectively speaking, mecha is inferior to other genres. It is like a huge bottle cap that limits the anime's potential by a lot. Code Geass proves that.In case you didn't realise, what you said is still a matter of personal opinion and what you think is bad might be good for someone else out there. Throwing phrases around like "outdated animation", "inferior to other genres" and "limits anime potential" is still all your opinion.And you make it sound like a fact which is not the case. |
lupadim said: Feaor said: I've tried some of the most famous mecha anime, such as Gundam. I didn't add them to my list because I stopped adding dropped anime to my list since a long time ago, but from what I saw, it had no appeal at all. There are many people in this thread that agreed with me, so it's not really just my opinion, it's more like the opinion of multiple users.That's a pretty bold statement coming from someone who hasn't seen that much anime, I still haven't watched that much but I'm not generalizing about quality of genres which I haven't really watched. I believe that you should just give up on trying to like/understand why people like mecha. Because if you have the biased opinion of "I don't like giant robots" then there's absolutely no hope for you to have any chemistry with it whatsoever. If its not your kinda thing, then its not your kinda thing |
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| I've found that I tend to enjoy Mecha anime for some unexpected reasons... First off, the mecha don't tend to be a single unit - or while one may be special or there may even be only a few, they tend to come from a group or organization that uses them. Being complex robots/computers/etc this pretty much necessarily means there's a very complex organization behind the whole existence of a mecha. So within that a show has created a unique perspective to explore how characters function within a group - a very complex group with established hierarchy and such. Then there's the act of piloting the mecha itself - it's pretty much a singular one-person act. That again, from a storytelling standpoint, allows a unique perspective. This time it's on the individual and heir own thoughts, actions, motivations as they're in the capsule/pod/etc making the operational choices. Outside the other characters are often monitoring the situation and hearing responses from the operator, but they're unaware of what's going on inside the pilot's head - which as a trope of the genre the audience gets to hear/see and explore. So.. more simply: 1. Characters working through the mechanics of a complex social system. 2. Individual thoughts and actions explored and compared in contrast to the bigger system. Macro-micro-macro-micro. It's a fascinating form of storytelling that the genre lends itself to and I enjoy. |
| How much of a condescending jackass can somebody possibly be? ToaofJustice said: Pfft, Code Geass? The best and only good Mecha is NGE, and it's main focus is not even to be one. >1 mecha watched negro please. |
HandsomeMan said: Not all, those are objective facts. Just compare the anime.Throwing phrases around like "outdated animation", "inferior to other genres" and "limits anime potential" is still all your opinion.And you make it sound like a fact which is not the case. |
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| People like it because they like it because they like it. You don't need a list of facts and statistics and other bullshit to prove why you enjoy something, why should you? Why should you need to justify why you enjoyed something? You enjoyed it, that's all that matters. |
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lupadim said: By all means, prove that your claims are 'objective'.Not all, those are objective facts. Just compare the anime. |
| Remember guys, a majority of people who use the words 'objective' and 'subjective' don't even know what they really mean. |
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Feaor said: As I said, just compare the anime. You'll see how mecha anime tend to be objectively inferior to other anime in nearly all aspects.lupadim said: By all means, prove that your claims are 'objective'.Not all, those are objective facts. Just compare the anime. |
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lupadim said: Feaor said: As I said, just compare the anime. You'll see how mecha anime tend to be objectively inferior to other anime in nearly all aspects.By all means, prove that your claims are 'objective'. I came into AD just to tell you that this is the most idiotic line I've ever read. |
FloatsBoats said: You're saying that because you are not taking your time to examine the anime and compare them. Just why do all the mecha anime share that lack of animation, art and overall quality? It can only be the genre's fault.lupadim said: I came into AD just to tell you that this is the most idiotic line I've ever read.As I said, just compare the anime. You'll see how mecha anime tend to be objectively inferior to other anime in nearly all aspects. Further proof: http://myanimelist.net/topanime.php Tell me how many mecha anime you see there. |
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| Lol at your proof, Gintama° is in the top 15 and it hasn't aired yet, smh. |
lupadim said: FloatsBoats said: You're saying that because you are not taking your time to examine the anime and compare them. Just why do all the mecha anime share that lack of animation, art and overall quality? It can only be the genre's fault.I came into AD just to tell you that this is the most idiotic line I've ever read. Further proof: http://myanimelist.net/topanime.php Tell me how many mecha anime you see there. There's no need to try and one-up yourself, you already took the cake. |
Feaor said: That just means the top anime is actually eager at accepting anime that doesn't deserve to be there in the top anime list. If even with that mecha anime can't get in, then it must mean mecha anime is below the average that can get in the top anime. I mean, it literally points that mecha anime is worse than anime that doesn't even exist yet, lmaoLol at your proof, Gintama° is in the top 15 and it hasn't aired yet, smh. FloatsBoats said: I hope you realize that your fallacious statement basically admits defeatThere's no need to try and one-up yourself, you already took the cake. |
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| lol so objective |
Gholy said: MAL's top anime is built around the users's opinions, and as an anime's quality is nothing if no one enjoys it, it is possible to say that MAL's top anime is objectively accurate.lupadim said: Using MAL's top anime to prove your point. TopkekThat just means the top anime is actually eager at accepting anime that doesn't deserve to be there in the top anime list. If even with that mecha anime can't get in, then it must mean mecha anime is below the average that can get in the top anime. I mean, it literally points that mecha anime is worse than anime that doesn't even exist yet, lmao |
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Gholy said: Thing is, MAL users don't rate shows based on how popular they are. They hate shows based on enjoyment and quality. In other words, MAL's rankings ARE an indicator of quality and enjoyment, you want it or not, it's an objective fact.lupadim said: First of all, popularity is not an indicator of quality. There are plenty of underrated gems out there with mid 7s to low 8s, while there's seasonal trash that gets into the top 100 just for having "feels" or having a certain author's name slapped onto it.MAL's top anime is built around the users's opinions, and as an anime's quality is nothing if no one enjoys it, it is possible to say that MAL's top anime is objectively accurate. |
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Gholy said: No, not at all; Nice way to strawman my argument, your fallacious argument is invalid.Most MALers rate simply on enjoyment and don't even acknowledge a show's flaws. Are you implying that the rank #10 anime is objectively better than the rank #345 anime just because a bunch of teenagers on an anime forum say so? What I said is: Accordingly to the wisdom of thousands and thousands of anime-aficionado people that reviewed and rated each anime accordingly, the anime ranked as #10 is objectively better than the anime #345. But anyway, let's just stop for one second and suppose that you are right and MAL users rate based on enjoyment. In that case, it means that mecha anime are not enjoyable. Thanks for proving my point. |
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| It's just like any other Genre and provide some good story and Character Big Difference: It has Giant Robots....................Nothing's more awesome than Giant Robots |
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| Man, this thread really was bait I can no longer tell if OP is either a tool who eats up what the masses say or just fucking with us. |
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| The only arguments against Lupadim's point in this thread are founded in ad hominem, hilarious. Mecha fans will go back to their low brow schlock and continue to live in the past. There is no sense in showing them that the present has better things in store for those with the awareness and good sense to look at the bigger picture because you can lead a horticulture but you can't make her think. |
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YorozuyaGinSan said: Of course there are always those old-anime elitists, but a vast majority of mecha fans watch modern anime and enjoy them, given their sense of tasteThe only arguments against Lupadim's point in this thread are founded in ad hominem, hilarious. Mecha fans will go back to their low brow schlock and continue to live in the past. There is no sense in showing them that the present has better things in store for those with the awareness and good sense to look at the bigger picture because you can lead a horticulture but you can't make her think. |
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| All the good mech anime out there have there appeal lying outside of the robots themselves which are just window dressing. One thing OP hasn't and probably can't address is how a war drama made less effective by simply being fought with robots. If LOTGH was rejiggered to have mechs included, would that automatically make it bad? |
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gedata said: All the good mech anime out there have there appeal lying outside of the robots themselves which are just window dressing. One thing OP hasn't and probably can't address is how a war drama made less effective by simply being fought with robots. If LOTGH was rejiggered to have mechs included, would that automatically make it bad? It would become Zeta Gundam, and no, quality wouldn't really drop. I believe the only time a person should really complain about an entire genre, is when they have the experience to back them up. Having seen so many mecha anime, lots of them are actually 7's or lower in my book. A lot of mecha anime aren't that good. However, there are always the ones that stand out and don't deserve to grouped with an uninformed person's ideology of a stereotypical mecha. This is the case for every genre in any form of media. If you cannot back up your words with experience then you might as well do your own thing and save yourself from looking like a fool to those that actually know what they're talking about |
BakaWeebTrashApr 1, 2015 1:29 PM
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gedata said: Yes. All the strategy and tension involved would be replaced by silly giant robots comparing who has the biggest arsenal.All the good mech anime out there have there appeal lying outside of the robots themselves which are just window dressing. One thing OP hasn't and probably can't address is how a war drama made less effective by simply being fought with robots. If LOTGH was rejiggered to have mechs included, would that automatically make it bad? |
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lupadim said: gedata said: Yes. All the strategy and tension involved would be replaced by silly giant robots comparing who has the biggest arsenal.All the good mech anime out there have there appeal lying outside of the robots themselves which are just window dressing. One thing OP hasn't and probably can't address is how a war drama made less effective by simply being fought with robots. If LOTGH was rejiggered to have mechs included, would that automatically make it bad? As I said, "uninformed person's ideology of stereotypical mecha" |
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lupadim said: gedata said: Yes. All the strategy and tension involved would be replaced by silly giant robots comparing who has the biggest arsenal.All the good mech anime out there have there appeal lying outside of the robots themselves which are just window dressing. One thing OP hasn't and probably can't address is how a war drama made less effective by simply being fought with robots. If LOTGH was rejiggered to have mechs included, would that automatically make it bad? >Implying the strategies in logh are complex > implying that mech anime don't have strategy. |
| mecha is superior to your anime taste, to you yourself and to all people around you |
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PoeticJustice said: I never implied any of those things, the strawman si strong with this one>Implying the strategies in logh are complex > implying that mech anime don't have strategy. TaisakuSentou said: There you go with the "that is not true mecha" fallacyAs I said, "uninformed person's ideology of stereotypical mecha" |
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| mecha anime has no real appeal other that a mentality of some kind |
lupadim said: PoeticJustice said: I never implied any of those things, the strawman si strong with this one>Implying the strategies in logh are complex > implying that mech anime don't have strategy. TaisakuSentou said: There you go with the "that is not true mecha" fallacyAs I said, "uninformed person's ideology of stereotypical mecha" Let's just accept that you don't like giant robots. That is the main and only reason as to why this keeps going. |
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TaisakuSentou said: You're wrong, I love giant robots.Let's just accept that you don't like giant robots. That is the main and only reason as to why this keeps going. |
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| Eva, code geass, gurren laggan. All awesome anime with awesome robots. |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| the plot aldnoah is a bad example. |
| save all the cute girls from ntr manga |
| Answered OPs question already. Quoting myself because I ended up getting in a forum argument again (trying to stop old ways). The argument was derived from why he dislikes mecha in the first place. TaisakuSentou said: It's just cuz some people think giant robots are cool Personal Favorites: Giant robots being 'cool' is one of the main factors that's agreeable to mecha fans everywhere. However, there are other reasons:[spoiler] -people like war tragedies/well developed stories and characters -over-the-top action scenes and animation quality -THE FUCKIN MUSIC Mecha has been influential since the beginnings of anime(Astro Boy 1963). It was one of the genres that helped distinguish Japanese animation from any other, while also acting as a major figure of the anime medium. It's appeal? The Mecha genre contains long-running fans who grew up with these shows and introduced them to their own children. It's that kind of genre that has such a developed community who supports every aspect of it. In the end it's all personal preference of, "Do you like giant robots?" |
Ex-S Gundam
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black1blade said: inb4 Eva is not mecha since it technically doesn't have robotsEva, code geass, gurren laggan. All awesome anime with awesome robots. |
| The appeal of mecha is watching (giant) robots fight each other. |
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