Aldnoah.Zero 2nd Season Episode 8 Discussion

HidetoshiNakata said:



Well, they clearly seat in different positions, but Inaho never once forced Asseylum to do anything, he also stopped her reveling herself once. And when they reached the base he let her go. Despite her being a clear ace. So at that point, before Asseylum called him, they were going to lose and probably die against Saazbaum. That's because, smart as he is, he never thought to use Asseylum in any ways if not in form of cooperation. Even at cost of his and their lives.
That's important in paragon to Slaine who later instead used and is using her despite what he said in their first meeting with Inaho against her will. And also in respect of their conversation during that meeting. Inaho felt Slaine instability and so asked, what if we used Asseylum? And Slaine snapped. But as showed in retrospect he had never the intention to use her. So, from a narrative point of view, Inaho was moderately right, IMO, since he simply tested Slaine and he failed.
Again to the base and later in the castle, there is another paragon between them, Inaho also listened to what she wanted to say and also agreed to her plan, when instead Slaine, despite he heard Asselum words to Inaho, decided to ignore them. He at that moment had a chance, not to believe in terrans, but to believe in her and in her words. And he didn't. Or if you prefer it took them personally.
And he didn't I think at this point because he doesn't know her and doesn't see her as a person, but yeah, something to protect, even now the better choice is to hope for her to stay without her memories.
When Inaho has always seen her as who she is, Seylum, not the princess. The one that fired grenades, the one ready to stand and protect people, the one ready to put her life on the line with a very dangerous and dubious plan. He acknowledged her to the point to accept she'd risk her life, because that was her free choice, it doesn't matter Inaho's feelings in the matter, nor her status. That's because he sees and treats her as a person.
So to go back to the question, he was put in a position to lose and probably die and still didn't decide to use Seylum.
I kinda understand why probably the writers have waited killing off some named characters, otherwise the hate-meter would have exploded

HidetoshiNakata said:

But what about all this?

Viktor_Otaku said:


Yeap pretty sure you are seuljar now, only he can gloss over facts like that.

Darklight0303 said:


Pot calling the kettle black

deadoptimist said:


It scares me that I mostly agree with you (maybe you aren't seujair after all). Yeah, that seems an adequate assessment, though there is an inconsistency in the writing with the secondary plotline about the low-class martians' suffering - Slaine could supposedly care for them. There're three moments about this: a martian dies for Slaine in the first cour, Saazbaum's agenda, Harklight. But it is developped so badly, that we can't honestly say whether he or anybody truly cares or not.
Also there is a problem with Slaine recently calling terrans scum.

But what about all this?

Viktor_Otaku said:


The same can be said for you for disregarding promo materials (and trying to paint things black and white).

ANGRY2011 said:
So, the battle "where you can't win just by throwing troops at it" where command has ordered them to "throw troops at it."

Take your bets: Do they win? Do they lose? Do they lose a named character? Do they lose like 15 more nameless guys while everyone else is just fine? All this and more, on the next episode of ZZzzzzzzzzzz.

ANGRY2011 said:


It's eerie, right? He was all quiet and gone... and now he's back with a new name, and slightly better English.

To be fair, I don't know if it really is him, but the resemblance is... uncanny.

Darklight0303 said:


Pot calling the kettle black

Savethebestforu said:


Continually siding with seujair makes you look so hilarious. You accuse deadoptimist of having an agenda in her comments, but you defend this lunatic? Do I need to remind you of some of his previous posts? I guess you guys all have to stick together, right?

There is still no point in replying to anything he says now because all he's doing is copying+pasting comments from animesuki. So even if you have something to say to him, he can't make a rebuttal because he doesn't fully understand what he was plagiarizing in the first place. No reasonable discussion is to be had.

Savethebestforu said:


Continually siding with seujair makes you look so hilarious. You accuse deadoptimist of having an agenda in her comments, but you defend this lunatic? Do I need to remind you of some of his previous posts? I guess you guys all have to stick together, right?

There is still no point in replying to anything he says now because all he's doing is copying+pasting comments from animesuki. So even if you have something to say to him, he can't make a rebuttal because he doesn't fully understand what he was plagiarizing in the first place. No reasonable discussion is to be had.

Viktor_Otaku said:


Well Seujair is hating on the same person as he does, thats all the excuse you need.

Darklight0303 said:


Same can be said of you. Also I don't need to side with him to call you and your group out on your hypocrisy

Darklight0303 said:
Same can be said of you. Also I don't need to side with him to call you and your group out on your hypocrisy

Darklight0303 said:


Same can be said of you. Also I don't need to side with him to call you and your group out on your hypocrisy

deadoptimist said:


A group of who? Non-rabid-Slaine-haters? Cause those who don't share your deep hatred for Slaine do not even have the same views on other characters and the plot. They're simple people who are here for other reasons besides spitting on a fictional character.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
No not really, Darklight shuts down those delusional-rabid-brainless slaine fags and apologists while some of you anti inaho-fans/anti slaine-haters use that as a excuse to attack him to play the hero role. Stop playing the innocent will you? The same goes for Save who has an extreme obsession with seijur's posts.

deadoptimist said:

a) There aren't any here actually, so you fight windmills,
b) There's nothing wrong with liking Slaine or any other character, so there's no need to fight them anyway and your invectives are uncalled for and impolite.

Viktor_Otaku said:


What I see here is your rabid attempt to mudsling anyone who does not share your extremist view. To you everyone must declare their everlasting hate to Slaine with their dying breath, anyone who does not is considered a heretic while you shamelessly defend anyone who agree with you even though it is takes out of contexts.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Also impolite? You people are the one to talk especially with your anti inaho-fan/ anti slaine-hater crusade going on.

Viktor_Otaku said:
And so it begins, the descent of this thread into anarchy and chaos.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Also impolite? You people are the one to talk especially with your anti inaho-fan/ anti slaine-hater crusade going on.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
a) So you conveniently ignored or forgot the delusional excuses and fan fictions made for Slaine's justification over the course of many threads just because there aren't any here atm.......okay.

b) There is nothing wrong with liking Slaine but there is something very wrong with making up bs to justify his sins or shitting on other characters a.k.a Inaho to make him look better.

ANGRY2011 said:


Whaddyou mean, "you people?"

Dragon_Slayer_X said:


I will leave it your imagination. Besides you already know right? Don't mind me while you guys go on with your seijur-harassment posts and add another 10-20 pages.

Also HidetoshiNakata previously seijur i think, at least read the posts before you reply to them man. Some of your points are good but they become way too much off-topic from the posts you are replying to.

deadoptimist said:
Oh, please. You've just called people delusional fags. I haven't seen any of your opponents do the same..

deadoptimist said:
Oh, and what's wrong with having a different interpretation of his actions or a different opinion of them in the first place? The fact that it can contradict yours? Cause, you know, you don't have any authority to judge what is right to think about an anime and what isn't.

deadoptimist said:
Fanfiction isn't a swear word either and everybody is free to speculate here (until you can provide any proofs that it isn't like that - please, do),

deadoptimist said:
but me and most of other your opponents offer explanations and support our opinions with facts from the episode. Basically it's you who throw some unfounded accusations at the moment.

deadoptimist said:
Not to mention that I don't see any rabid Slaine fans around here, so I suppose you mean me end several other people, who don't agree with you.

ANGRY2011 said:

Wait, now I'm in the "Slaine-fag" group of delusionals who insult everybody?

That's news to me.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:


Your imagination went beyond my imagination of your reply.......-_-

You are mostly having fun...........i think anyway.

deadoptimist said:


We won't be falling for too long, since Saturday is almost upon us (and there're mods).

Knight-Artorias said:
But every week's thread is the same as before :o

Edit: except the random topics that occur from time to time, like the math one.

deadoptimist said:
Lol, basically:
"I am shouting insults at windmills, cause I see windmills everywhere, and everyone's opinions are invalid besides mine".

deadoptimist said:
I see, no reasoning with you.

deadoptimist said:

The most impressive part is that you don't understand how irrelevant most of your points about discussion and about Slaine are to many people.

deadoptimist said:
I, for once, do not care for the moral aspect of the story, and even if Slaine was really insane, it wouldn't mean that I should stop enjoying his storyline or stop preferring it to Inaho's.

deadoptimist said:
I disagree with kymano's interpretations, as I have written, but he also provides a certain logic, the fact that you or me don't see it doesn't mean that he is not in his right to do so. The lack of proper characterization in A.Z lets him do it (cause we truly don't know the motivations of Mazuurek).

deadoptimist said:
But his and mine points are different. Unlike the haters of Slaine, who provide nothing but spit on him, we, kymano and I, present different points and different views. Basically it's haters of Slaine vs world at this point.

deadoptimist said:
And the endless cries "Slaine is scum of the Earth", "Slaine is crazy", "Slaine is Stalin" are not grounded in the facts at all - these are simply emotional accusations.

deadoptimist said:
Btw, during the painstakingly detailed analysis of the shooting scene, most have reached the conclusion that both parties and shitty writing are to blame.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Oh boy this is tiring. I am done.........have fun with your crusade.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Sigh delusional opinions that goes against what shown are invalid.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
And yours are? Sorry who made you the authority again? Oh wait.....

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
You not caring about moral aspects doesn't make them wrong....at least the first 2 are right on the money.

That's because so many of you are unable to accept that it was mostly Slaine's fault and made up whatever excuses to justify Slaine's side.

HidetoshiNakata said:
This is a big problem in some shows, with the fans who try to fill what isn't showed in a show with their preferences or will, usually it is called fanwank and for me is a good way to ruin the shows itself when a fan replace the author, we see what we see, and fanwank is a totally different game than interpretation.
Interpretation ground is what we seen, fanwanking ground is the unseen.

HidetoshiNakata said:
A statement or theories on the base that Asseylum will forgive Slaine for his behaviour and using "her" to continue the war while she, in the whole first cour and also in the very last episode of the first cour, go against Vers to stop the war and protect the terrans, for me is just fanwanking, because what we saw in the show atm is just the opposite, and we all see how she is worried when she rememeber everything in last episode.

HidetoshiNakata said:
i'm not arguing that someone could like Slaine, i'm just telling that there is too much "not seen" that the Slaine fans wrote to legitimate his behaviour and their tastes, i respect ppl tastes and opinions, but i prefer a sentence "Yeah Slaine is a son of a b**ch but i still like his char" than the fanwanking about him.

HidetoshiNakata said:
It seem to me like the posts i read from the Slaine fans at the end of first cour, with "Slaine ovb main char" and autist-Inaoh obv death because "Slaine was always been the only main char on the whole story", sorry i've always seen Slaine as the Co-protagonist, or better, sometimes he's the antagonist/ntr char. And this came from the show, not from my conjecture or to legitimate his behaviour, or my tastes.

deadoptimist said:




I think that about 2 or 3 pages at the beginning are about the new stuff from the episode) After that - yes.

The math and the zero-g sex discussions were good. But that episode was slightly more coherent that the rest. For all the fun I have with tearing A.Z apart, I'd prefer it to be slightly better in writing, cause it has become too painful to watch and too easy to criticise recently.

Knight-Artorias said:


There was a discussion about zero-g sex? where? :o

HidetoshiNakata said:
This is a big problem in some shows, with the fans who try to fill what isn't showed in a show with their preferences or will, usually it is called fanwank and for me is a good way to ruin the shows itself when a fan replace the author, we see what we see, and fanwank is a totally different game than interpretation.
Interpretation ground is what we seen, fanwanking ground is the unseen.

the fanwank done at this point of the show by the Slaine fans is a bit too much, it feels like we seen 2 different shows.,
we can argue about the definition of fanwanking, for me is: fill the story with the unseen or what wasn't an allusion from the author himself

A statement or theories on the base that Asseylum will forgive Slaine for his behaviour and using "her" to continue the war while she, in the whole first cour and also in the very last episode of the first cour, go against Vers to stop the war and protect the terrans, for me is just fanwanking, because what we saw in the show atm is just the opposite, and we all see how she is worried when she rememeber everything in last episode.

the statement that Eddelrittuo cares about Slaine , of course he's hime childhood friend ovb she don't hate Slaine, but that the maid will help him against Asselyum will, or that she cheat his princess for the Slaine plan, even if she think that is for the Asseylum sake, atm for me is just fanwanking.

You can't really compare the Slaine hate, that it cames form what we seen in the show (he's immoral, childish, manoeuvring, psicologically unstable, killer, emo etc.) and the Slaine fans love that came from conjecture not seen in the show atm.

i'm not arguing that someone could like Slaine, i'm just telling that there is too much "not seen" that the Slaine fans wrote to legitimate his behaviour and their tastes, i respect ppl tastes and opinions, but i prefer a sentence "Yeah Slaine is a son of a b**ch but i still like his char" than the fanwanking about him.
Slaine fans try to paint Slaine as a "good" char to legitimate that they like him, you can like easily also a "villain-like" char, no need to paint him in an artificial good light.

It seem to me like the posts i read from the Slaine fans at the end of first cour, with "Slaine ovb main char" and autist-Inaoh obv death because "Slaine was always been the only main char on the whole story", sorry i've always seen Slaine as the Co-protagonist, or better, sometimes he's the antagonist/ntr char. And this came from the show, not from my conjecture or to legitimate his behaviour, or my tastes.

There's nothing wrong about liking Slaine as a character, but there is something strange about claiming that he's something he's not.

Knight-Artorias said:


There was a discussion about zero-g sex? where? :o

deadoptimist said:


Er, somewhere before the math one in the same thread.

ANGRY2011 said:


Same thread as the math discussion. It was just before it.

deadoptimist said:

Wow, so I am tiring now. Don't you think that reading the endless crusade against Slaine for the whole two seasons had been tiring for anyone? I've finally decided to react to it, that's all.

deadoptimist said:

You missed the point again. Why the idea that Slaine is to blame for his problems is so important or must make me hate him? First of all, few people argue that he is blameless, though some think that his actions may stem from his circumstances. Secondly, the fact that he is a troubled person doesn't mean that people should hate him or can't like him as a character.

deadoptimist said:

There is more than one way to interpret things. Yours is not the only one. If a person takes into the account most of the events, he is free construct his or hers own view. We discuss the said views here, and they can clash, but none besides the authors hold the only correct interpretation. Goind as far as calling other people delusional is going too far.

deadoptimist said:

Not me started the current attack or most of the previous ones. I don't accuse people of wrong opinions, I disapprove of improper behavior on this forum - like calling people names, accusing them of fanboyism, denying them place to discuss their opinions and bringing up endlessly the things that are irrelevant to the current discussion.

deadoptimist said:

If "making excuses" is seeing reasons or searching for reasons behind character's behavior versus simple blaming, than yes, I am guilty of this as well and not ashamed to admit it, cause it's simply the proper way of analysis.
But nor me not anyone here has an agenda of justifying each of his actions, as far as I see.

deadoptimist said:

Me not caring about the moral aspect makes it useless to always present it as an argument. It's not absolute. Put simply it means that a character being a bad person doesn't mean that he is a poor character or character people can't like or support. It also doesn't mean that it should be the only thing people talk about.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:


Pretty sure it started after episode 12. Till episode 11, even i felt bad for his character. So how about you stop basing your judgement on what you recently saw on the forums.

I too am tired of seeing #slainedidnothingwrong type posts with shitty and delusional reasoning and had to react to it.




a) Nobody said you have to hate him just don't ignore that he dug this grave for himself like the endless delusional posts we have been seeing.

b) The fact is there is nothing saying that someone can't hate his character for his actions.

I don't like whatever shit Slaine has been doing and i don't feel any sympathy for him since he dug the grave for himself, can you change my mind or prove me wrong? No you can't.

For all your complains, did you completely miss that most of the time we pointed out to this delusional interpretations for example "Slaine never wanted Lemrina to be involved" like someone said earlier even though she was involved from when she agrred to help Saazbaum or when some other try to blame other characters to justify their favorite Slaine-sama.




There is nothing wrong with writing fan fictions just don't try to pass those as facts or excuses.....that's where the problems lies.

Or at least interpret them so they don't seem completely different from what shown. Guess what, Slaine apologists are good at making up excuses which goes against what shown.




I am sorry but where were you when people like ihateuimeanit or officialmiko started inaho-bashing threads and insulting inaho-fans because they don't like slaine. We got name-called a lot since we don't like Slaine or like Inaho. Please playing the "hero" role based on your limited view isn't going to work. You can keep up with your crusade.....it was biased in the first place.




There you go again, you don't see anyone at the moment but somehow this slaine-hate has been going on for 2 seasons like you previously said. How about getting your facts straight, not being simply biased based on what you recently saw and most of all don't conveniently forget the multitudes of slaine apologist posts that we had to see from episode 12 and onwards.

Also we made our own analysis about Slaine being the guilty one while you made your analysis about how it's also partially Inaho's fault. The most we can agree is that the scene could have been played out better but don't go declaring your analysis is the proper one here.




I don't hate Slaine because he is a villain but i hate him because of how he did things. How many times must i say this? Moral aspect isn't going to work as an argument here. I didn't hate Saazbaum but i don't agree with his methods.

Savethebestforu said:


Honestly, this quote makes me cringe. The "I'm right, but all of you are wrong because I said so" response. The level of bias one has to have to say this is off the charts. This just looks like a satire because it's so juvenile.

Darklight0303 said:
Like you are one to talk.

Savethebestforu said:

Honestly, this quote makes me cringe. The "I'm right, but all of you are wrong because I said so" response. The level of bias one has to have to say this is off the charts. This just looks like a satire because it's so juvenile.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
when you are way more biased yourself

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
But i have to say the way to stalk me or seijur is impressive.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Oh btw for all the holy crusade, you are still doing those name-calling, "what is your age" crap. Try to do better kid.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:


Oh Save i was wondering wondering when you would show up with your typical provocations and insults. I kind of missed you.

But i have to say the way to stalk me or seijur is impressive. You might just be a better obsessive stalker than Slaine. Besides all you do is "You Slaine-haters are wrong/biased/etc" crap when you are way more biased yourself.

Oh btw for all the holy crusade, you are still doing those name-calling, "what is your age" crap. Try to do better kid.

Savethebestforu said:

Is this even possible? I don't even think I could achieve this even if I tried.

Savethebestforu said:

So showing up and commenting on one board about 1 show is stalking. Got it. I'll be sure to remember that when seujair is spamming my profile page with small novels of un-readable nonsense.

Savethebestforu said:
But it's a serious question...I'm genuinely curious, man.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
No but going throw such painstaking measures to reply and make fun of his posts is really something. Didn't you post something about animesuki forums before. Besides he has gotten better now.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Please don't deny that you didn't provoke him or HidetoshiNakata

Dragon_Slayer_X said:


No but going throw such painstaking measures to reply and make fun of his posts is really something. Didn't you post something about animesuki forums before. Besides he has gotten better now. Please don't deny that you didn't provoke him or HidetoshiNakata.

ANGRY2011 said:
It doesn't matter if the other guy is an asshole, you're probably an asshole too.