LitzSabr said: When I say spam I mean using it again and again.... like a beat em up game...RinArcher said: Can Archer really spam Tsubame Gaeshi if he wanted to btw? Not sure about spam, it isn't GoB. A skilled opponent with tactics can do something about it with going all frontal or maybe with. But theoretically he should be able to use it without any toll on himself. |
RinArcher said: Can Archer really spam Tsubame Gaeshi if he wanted to btw? He could probably use an imperfect version of it. by "imperfect" I mean two simultaneous slash instead of three |
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HeisenPriest said: why only two?RinArcher said: Can Archer really spam Tsubame Gaeshi if he wanted to btw? He could probably use an imperfect version of it. by "imperfect" I mean two simultaneous slash instead of three |
HentaiPriest said: HeisenPriest said: why only two?He could probably use an imperfect version of it. by "imperfect" I mean two simultaneous slash instead of three Only a theory. Imitating a technique by projecting the weapon usually results in an imperfect version of it. As example: Shirou's Crane wing lacked the "crane wing" step of the technique. Maybe it would be inferior in other way. Like the slashes would follow each other a few nanoseconds later, instead of being perfectly simultaneous. Nevertheless I think Archer couldn't use TG the same way Sasaki can. |
idcgoawayDec 15, 2014 7:42 AM
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HeisenPriest said: HentaiPriest said: why only two? Only a theory. Imitating a technique by projecting the weapon usually results in an imperfect version of it. As example: Shirou's Crane wing lacked the "crane wing" step of the technique. Maybe it would be inferior in other way. Like the slashes would follow each other a few nanoseconds later, instead of being perfectly simultaneous. Nevertheless I think Archer couldn't use TG the same way Sasaki can. Unlimited Tsubame Gaeshi Works. |
DocAwesomeDec 15, 2014 8:20 AM
HeisenPriest said: Only a theory. Imitating a technique by projecting the weapon usually results in an imperfect version of it. As example: Shirou's Crane wing lacked the "crane wing" step of the technique. Maybe it would be inferior in other way. Like the slashes would follow each other a few nanoseconds later, instead of being perfectly simultaneous. Nevertheless I think Archer couldn't use TG the same way Sasaki can. Well thats certainly possible. |
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DocAwesome said: Tsubame Gaeshi Blade Works.HeisenPriest said: Only a theory. Imitating a technique by projecting the weapon usually results in an imperfect version of it. As example: Shirou's Crane wing lacked the "crane wing" step of the technique. Maybe it would be inferior in other way. Like the slashes would follow each other a few nanoseconds later, instead of being perfectly simultaneous. Nevertheless I think Archer couldn't use TG the same way Sasaki can. Unlimited Tsubame Gaeshi Works. |
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| If Tohno Shiki took a Servant by surprise like he did with , could he kill them? Can he perceive death in Servants? |
Kolios said: If Tohno Shiki took a Servant by surprise like he did with , could he kill them? Can he perceive death in Servants? Yes. You can kill Hisui and Kohaku in Melty Blood. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
Kolios said: If Tohno Shiki took a Servant by surprise like he did with , could he kill them? Can he perceive death in Servants? I believe he cannot perceive a servants death. Edit: This: BloodRequiem said: Yes. You can kill Hisui and Kohaku in Melty Blood. |
| Krillin could probably one shot all the 7 servants at the same time |
Kolios said: If Tohno Shiki took a Servant by surprise like he did with , could he kill them? Can he perceive death in Servants? |
| There is no sanity here, we are madmen engaging in usless folly. |
| He's referring to Ryougi, whose eyes are stronger, not Tohno, in that answer. |
Valaskjalf said: Krillin could probably one shot all the 7 servants at the same time Krillin would just die, over and over and over and over again..... People die when they are killed, but then theres dragon balls. |
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InsertPriestHere said: He's referring to Ryougi, whose eyes are stronger, not Tohno, in that answer. Yes i just thought that i should post it anyway, since i think i've seen many people say that it should be impossible to see lines on servants. I guess i should have specified that it was a piece of somewhat relevant info rather than an answer though. :P |
| There is no sanity here, we are madmen engaging in usless folly. |
| To continue from official discussion thread... Grey-Zone said: Aurioch said: What is this based on? Does Archer/Extra actually overpower someone else's RM? (Fate/Extra spoilers) BotatoPriest said: Aurioch said: OH!EDIT: PENTA SNIPE? REALLY? That's interesting. A certain someone told me that I don't know, I've tried to search for more data to see if stronger RM overwrites weaker or that which is later invoked overwrites the one which is invoked before. I've also tried to find more data about themselves, but apart from what wiki says, I couldn't find anything... And if |
AuriochDec 15, 2014 3:46 PM
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
LitzSabr said: HentaiPriest said: So the entire part where Shirou describes the wind is just for 2-3 seconds.Okay. Both material hold same weight. So lel we're gonna ignore the feat we saw for the sake of someone's convenience, seriously? The first part can be explained with saber opening her sword which basically stalled the opponent too(wether be it with assassin or else), but there is no excuse for her charging up her sword in mere seconds (read the part when she fought gil in the park again). |
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Aurioch said: Well, I was thinking I don't know, I've tried to search for more data to see if stronger RM overwrites weaker or that which is later invoked overwrites the one which is invoked before. I've also tried to find more data about themselves, but apart from what wiki says, I couldn't find anything... And if |
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BotatoPriest said: Aurioch said: Well, I was thinking I don't know, I've tried to search for more data to see if stronger RM overwrites weaker or that which is later invoked overwrites the one which is invoked before. I've also tried to find more data about themselves, but apart from what wiki says, I couldn't find anything... And if Well... |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
| In this scenario does Archer have to simply defeat broskander to win? or defeat him and his army enough to get out of the reality marble? was it confirmed that IH NEEDS rider to stay active? i know a good amount of the mana used for it comes from the army itself. with all this being said supposedly in the LN Broskaner's plan was to tank the GoB himself and let the army swarm Gil for a decapitating blow (or is this the other way around) obviously he wasn't counting on EA. so would this imply that the IH doesnt NEED broskander to still be alive to keep it going? |
WrongPriest said: If Gil keeps not recalling his weapons for various reasons. (Ex. Shinji touched it) Will he eventually run out? With the lack of high magic rank weaponry lying around in modern times, will he eventually resort to shooting police batons at hippy looking motherfuckers? Though, isn't his vault almost literally infinite? |
InsertPriestHere said: WrongPriest said: If Gil keeps not recalling his weapons for various reasons. (Ex. Shinji touched it) Will he eventually run out? With the lack of high magic rank weaponry lying around in modern times, will he eventually resort to shooting police batons at hippy looking motherfuckers? Though, isn't his vault almost literally infinite? His vault contains all of the original NPs. It grows in size when new np is created, so it is infinite in that way, but it is not limitless. |
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Maloghurst said: In this scenario does Archer have to simply defeat broskander to win? or defeat him and his army enough to get out of the reality marble? was it confirmed that IH NEEDS rider to stay active? i know a good amount of the mana used for it comes from the army itself. with all this being said supposedly in the LN Broskaner's plan was to tank the GoB himself and let the army swarm Gil for a decapitating blow (or is this the other way around) obviously he wasn't counting on EA. so would this imply that the IH doesnt NEED broskander to still be alive to keep it going? Didn't read F/Z LN (will do at one point just to fill the gaps adaptation has), so I don't know about his plan. From my understanding, while It's fun speculating like that, even if I'm wrong ^^ |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
Aurioch said: Hmmm that's true.BotatoPriest said: Well, I was thinking Well... What about it? |
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BotatoPriest said: Aurioch said: Hmmm that's true.Well... What about it? Well... |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
| Would Rule Breaker negate the RM if Archer stabbed the ground? |
HentaiPriest said: No.Would Rule Breaker negate the RM if Archer stabbed the ground? Rule Breaker negates sustained magic. Sustained magic is something like strengthened items, contracts and magical life forms. |
Aurioch said: To continue from official discussion thread... Grey-Zone said: What is this based on? Does Archer/Extra actually overpower someone else's RM? (Fate/Extra spoilers) BotatoPriest said: OH! That's interesting. A certain someone told me that I don't know, I've tried to search for more data to see if stronger RM overwrites weaker or that which is later invoked overwrites the one which is invoked before. I've also tried to find more data about themselves, but apart from what wiki says, I couldn't find anything... And if |
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| So I have been going through the type moon wiki and apparently there is a fate spinoff (fate/strange fake) that is being written by the author of baccano! does anybody here know more about this and how do those servants compare with the servants in F/SN and F/Z in terms of power? (since the wikik doesn't have much info about those servants except gil) |
| When it comes to strengh of F/SN servants I see it like this: |
omeg4 said: I'd say Lancer is almost equal to Gil. About the others... there isn't much known and the old version of strange fake didn't reveal enough to give me an idea how strong they are compared to the Servants we know. You'll have to wait until more info is given and translated. The first volume will be released on January 10, 2015.So I have been going through the type moon wiki and apparently there is a fate spinoff (fate/strange fake) that is being written by the author of baccano! does anybody here know more about this and how do those servants compare with the servants in F/SN and F/Z in terms of power? (since the wikik doesn't have much info about those servants except gil) |
kronos7 said: When it comes to strengh of F/SN servants I see it like this: Why Saber > Berserker? |
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kronos7 said: When it comes to strengh of F/SN servants I see it like this: AHAHAHAH, yeah no. The thing is, Nasuverse powerlevels are situational and characters are stronge or weaker against other depending on skillsets. So "who is stronger than who" does not work. |
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| "It is possible to activate it without sufficient energy, but the resulting Excalibur will be weakened. When used in Night Without Dawn, she fails to defeat Berserker, likely barely able to take off even two lives before instantly fading away compared to the full powered version that could potentially kill him outright." Source: |
kronos7 said: "It is possible to activate it without sufficient energy, but the resulting Excalibur will be weakened. When used in Night Without Dawn, she fails to defeat Berserker, likely barely able to take off even two lives before instantly fading away compared to the full powered version that could potentially kill him outright." Source: If I remember correctly in the HF route Alter uses Excalibur on him and it only takes three of his lives. |
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kronos7 said: "It is possible to activate it without sufficient energy, but the resulting Excalibur will be weakened. When used in Night Without Dawn, she fails to defeat Berserker, likely barely able to take off even two lives before instantly fading away compared to the full powered version that could potentially kill him outright." Source: Mmmmmmmmmmmm........ "could potentially kill him outright" eh? Doesn't sound like a guarantee. I'd still put my money on Berserker. |
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CookingPriest said: 1. Gil. 2. Berserker 3. Fake Assassin 4. SRS Lancer = Saber= SRS Archer = SRS Rider 5. Caster 6. True Assassin Why Fake Assassin so high? Most servants can take him down from the distance. |
kronos7 said: Assuming that Berserker just stops moving and attacking."It is possible to activate it without sufficient energy, but the resulting Excalibur will be weakened. When used in Night Without Dawn, she fails to defeat Berserker, likely barely able to take off even two lives before instantly fading away compared to the full powered version that could potentially kill him outright." Source: But if Berserker attacks and hits Saber with some combo she will die. Just look at Fate route first fight. |
kronos7 said: You said power.We assume in mean in a fair 1 vs 1 without use of Hax.CookingPriest said: 1. Gil. 2. Berserker 3. Fake Assassin 4. SRS Lancer = Saber= SRS Archer = SRS Rider 5. Caster 6. True Assassin Why Fake Assassin so high? Most servants can take him down from the distance. |
| Why do you think servants using their skills is not fair? Is Rider using mistic eyes or Archer shooting Caladbolg not fair to you? |
| 1. Gilgamesh 2. Berserker 3. Avalon Saber 4. Lancelot(FZ's badass interferes) 5. Saber (non-shirou) 6. Archer/Rider/Lancer=>Sasaki |
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kronos7 said: Why do you think servants using their skills is not fair? Is Rider using mistic eyes or Archer shooting Caladbolg not fair to you? It is when we compare them in general, not just power.In that case Saber should be under Berserker(either way actually), Lancer should be equal to Archer thanks to his protection from arrows etc |
| excalibur is mana cannon. it has POTENTIAL to kill him outright but there's no master who could provide seiba with t hat much mana. AT best it would take two or three lives and then Zerker would own seiba. Give excalibur to someone with unlimited mana and huge output and then we would talk. For Seiba, we have already seen the best she can do to berserker. emiya_lucis said: Wonder who would come out on top between the two that use similar technique. Soujuurou that took down a two thousand year old golden werewolf or Souichirou who made King Arthur his bitch. Start of story Soujuurou or end of story? kronos7 said: Why Fake Assassin so high? Most servants can take him down from the distance. "And archa could caladbolg everyone from distance" Too bad but we play fair. And in fair fight, we already know that Fassassin was badass enough for Lancer to never want to fight him again. |
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| If a fight happened between saber and berserker, I would bet on saber winning because: - plot - hot girl - possible love interest for MC That being said berserker is stronger than saber imo because as hentai priest said berserker needs to be completely immobilized for saber to charge up her NP |
CookingPriest said: And in fair fight, we already know that Fassassin was badass enough for Lancer to never want to fight him again. You know, I never understood exactly what it was that omeg4 said: If a fight happened between saber and berserker, I would bet on saber winning because: - plot - hot girl - possible love interest for MC That being said berserker is stronger than saber imo because as hentai priest said berserker needs to be completely immobilized for saber to charge up her NP But in the Fate route |
InsertPriestHere said: CookingPriest said: And in fair fight, we already know that Fassassin was badass enough for Lancer to never want to fight him again. You know, I never understood exactly what it was that |
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InsertPriestHere said: omeg4 said: If a fight happened between saber and berserker, I would bet on saber winning because: - plot - hot girl - possible love interest for MC That being said berserker is stronger than saber imo because as hentai priest said berserker needs to be completely immobilized for saber to charge up her NP But in the Fate route True but she doesn't die because plot and conveniently awakened magic abilities. If it was a one on one deathmatch I would bet on berserker but if it was a one on one deathmatch that happened in a visual novel saber would be the winner. |
CookingPriest said: "And archa could caladbolg everyone from distance" Everyone exept Berserker, Gilgamesh, Avalon Saber and Rider. What I'm trying to say is that servants such as Lancer, Archer and Saber can fight in close range AND they have powerful distance attacks. Assassin can only fight with his sword. If they will see that Assassin is better in direct combat they can still finish him off with their noble phantasms. |
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