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matthew521 said: Agree with above. The poll and the continuous rise in rating shows that most people enjoyed the episode and didn't see it as just a meaningless add on. This episode was important I think, because it expanded on Shiro's character, who previously just seemed to be there to complement Sora. I think it's also pretty obvious that the addition of Fi and Kurami to their side will an important point later on. Of course the poll is continuing to rise and will continue too, the community is making it as such. The hype for this show is such that you could pretty much have an episode where literally nothing at all happens and it's still get like 500 5/5 votes like every week and people claiming they're losing their minds over it's brilliance. I mean really if you've been paying at all attention to this community it doesn't take a genius to see the obvious trend. How anything even is supposed to stand out about this show to people or they can take anything in particular away from it when it's apparently just all unending brilliance to them is beyond me, but he that's hype train tier commentary for you and it doesn't mean I or anyone really has to put any stock in it since I can see the show for myself just fine and have my own perceptions of what it's specific qualities and shortcomings are. |
TyrelJun 8, 2014 8:43 PM
Tirno said: Orsonius said: this episode was fucking terrible. Why did they do this, it just is a huge hole in the pacing to make something so pointless. The drama doesn't work either in an ecchi comedy show, seriously I was more cringing than anything. This is not sad just boring to watch. Seriously though. I can't think of this comment as serious since you consider Wixoss to be good. I can't take this post seriously cause it's like your third post ever and you come out with one of the most stereotypical MAL message board style comments of them all, the ever classic "Your opinion is meaningless cause you like show x". I mean if you want to make a grand shitposting entrance you could at least make some effort to personalize the comment, can't you? Here's a comment for you, I dropped Wixoss after 3 episodes and am still following this show yet again. It's also still the worst show I'm currently still watching from this season (there is worse that I've dropped of course) and very fortunate it has only 12 episodes and can be mildly entertaining at times AND airs on Wednesday which is otherwise a dead day or I doubt that would make the cut. How's that? |
PeacingOutJun 8, 2014 4:54 PM
Takuan_Soho said: Kaioshin_Sama said: I can't take this post seriously cause it's like your third post ever and you come out with one of the most stereotypical MAL message board style comments of them all, the ever classic "Your opinion is meaningless cause you like show x". I mean if you want to make a grand shitposting entrance you could at least make some effort to personalize the comment, can't you? Ah, irony..... Actually the number of posts don't matter, it's the quality of posts that matters. I would say that Tirno made about the same effort with the response as Orsonius made with the original post. Again, just say "oh, the drama sucks" is not a critique or an intelligent comment. Ironically, I said the same thing over on the Mahouka thread with someone who was bashing that show, so you can tell that this is my general feelings on the topic, not just for shows I like. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1194801#msg31437831 I said I didn't find anything particularly dramatic or sincere about the attempt at it in this episode. It was all a complete waste of time and I don't even know why they bothered with it since it felt hollow and cheap and there's not enough of a basis in the characters development so far for me to get any emotional content out of it. We're just sort of told their back story and how they met and that's basically it and then things are very quickly resolved. It doesn't even succeed at really being melodrama like a sad Key story, it's just sort of there as a sequence of scenes that attempt the most basic of character back story that frankly isn't even all that interesting to the point where they might as well not even have bothered. I don't frankly care if you think that's a proper critique or not like you always say about everybody else's post that shows a negative reception of something this show did, you don't get to decide how other people are allowed to react and feel about this show or not even though you think you do. |
PeacingOutJun 8, 2014 5:38 PM
Kaioshin_Sama said: matthew521 said: Agree with above. The poll and the continuous rise in rating shows that most people enjoyed the episode and didn't see it as just a meaningless add on. This episode was important I think, because it expanded on Shiro's character, who previously just seemed to be there to complement Sora. I think it's also pretty obvious that the addition of Fi and Kurami to their side will an important point later on. Of course the poll is continuing to rise and will continue too, the community is making it as such. The hype for this show is such that you could pretty much have an episode where literally nothing at all happens and it's still get like 500 5/5 votes like every week and people claiming they're losing their minds over it's brilliance. I mean really if you've been paying at all attention to this community it doesn't take a genius to see the obvious trend. How anything even is supposed to stand out about this show to people or they can take anything in particular away from it when it's apparently just all unending brilliance to them is beyond me, but he that's hype train tier commentary for you and it doesn't mean I or anyone really has to put any stock in it since I can see the show for myself just fine and have my own perceptions of what it's specific qualities and shortcomings are. You're entitled to your opinion, but when people start saying things like "basically shows you the people who think this show is a masterpiece", which is basically attacking another user for having different tastes than theirs makes them condescending. Like seriously, have some damn respect. There is so such thing has having better standard than somebody else. You have different standards. The fact that you're claiming you have standards and we don't makes you a pretentious and condescending dick. If you want to continue this conversation, just message me on my profile. I don't want to get banned or pollute this thread any further. |
TyrelJun 8, 2014 8:45 PM
| looks like there's going to be yet another bath scene in the next episode ah well... i'm hoping they at least get started with the battle instead of focusing too much on fan-service like previous episodes... |
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matthew521 said: I think it is fair to say that a lot of people's opinions are based on the expectations they have going into a show, which should be pretty high based on the rating, but that doesn't go too far. If someone goes in with no expectations, their opinion won't differ too much from an already biased one, though their vocal opinion might :p Anyway, the reason I and I assume a lot of other people enjoy it so much is that it's so fun to watch. I love the animation, enjoy every game, and like seeing how far and crazy Sora can take it and make it. The characters aren't the best ever, but I think they're enjoyable to watch. Even if they really are just stock characters like I keep reading, the world they're all in let's them all shine. This has probably been asked tens of times already, but can somebody explain the game Shiro helped Sora win? I don't remember what it was called and currently cannot go watch the episode again. You know there's two things I don't get here, one is that there's plenty of shows one could argue are enjoyable this season yet far more interesting in terms of character, plotting and setting and not to mention better executed so I still don't really grasp why the overwhelming focus on this one, and the other is the sheer number of people I'm seeing claiming the show is great and then admitting that they don't understand the games being played at all. I sort of can't fault some people on not understanding some of these games though as the show does an absolutely piss poor job of handling it's parlor game aspect, I just wish people would be more critical of that aspect cause it's kind of a significant problem. Reversi is a classic parlor game sometimes known by it's Pressman trademarked name Othello that was created some time in the late 1800's. It used to come with older versions of Windows but has since been discontinued as a regular inclusion in the games folder. It's essentially a simple to learn yet tricky to master game of strategy (though you would never know it just by watching this episode and how it barely makes an effort to portray the game) and stone placement very similar to the popular Go parlor game in Japan which you can see in the manga/anime Hikaru no Go. The flow of play is very simple, each player takes turns placing stones next to one of their opponents stones in legal moves in order to "bind" them (basically if you surround your opponents tiles with two of your own in a straight or horizontal line) and play progresses until neither player can make a legal move. Whoever has the most stones at the end of the game is declared the winner. Now the strategy involved comes in making moves not only to bind your opponents stones but to make sure they can't do the same and planning moves and predicting the opponents actions several turns in advance as well as using the border and corners (probably the most important positions in the game to make a play in because stones placed there are unflippable by the opponent) and setting up stones to block other players. It's very trick and allows for a lot of reversals in terms of who is in control of the game hence the game title of Reversi. A few turns are enough to completely turn a game upside down with well placed stones, but you have to be able to actually see the board and plan things out in order to manage this which is something the show just completely disregards and doesn't make a whole lot of sense. That's sort of a major problem I have with the show is that for all it goes on about the siblings being master of games, it absolutely sucks balls at portraying not only this aspect in a plausible manner but you just feel no love or appreciation for the games they are playing being shown. It's like the opposite of Chihayafuru in terms of the passion and appreciation the characters have for the game and each other, probably because nobody ever has to work for anything in NGNL, they just win cause the show says they're geniuses that never lose. Hard to see a point in it all. |
PeacingOutJun 8, 2014 8:25 PM
| I swear to god, Sora's a genius, and that goes for Shiro as well. But seriously, in a strategic battle between Sora and Light Yagami, I have no clue who would win... |
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DreamingBeats said: looks like there's going to be yet another bath scene in the next episode ah well... i'm hoping they at least get started with the battle instead of focusing too much on fan-service like previous episodes... The next battle is actually which nation has the best fanservice. |
| Frankly I was actually worried for a moment there, I thought "Oh no have they actually lost?!" cause like certain shows they dont want to be typical and boring bc the MC always wins. Somehow they still make it awesome even though we know Blank will win. All in all a nice episode, but I wouldn't say the best by far. |
| I'm glad to listen again the normal ending song and to see Sora again :D That was something wow that probably was a hard & scary decision to be made but they did it xD So now that Elf & Kurami are on their side ^^ Steph did a great job,because she believed in Shiro,it's hard to believe in something that don't exist because they never heared of Sora before but still she believed in her! :) |
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| While the whole concept of this game wasn't all that impressive the way it was directed/presented was excellent. Never really liked Shiro but this at least gave a little bit of dept to her. |
| In my opinion, the novels will go for about 18-30 volumes (that's 3-5 times of what is currently out, and 6-10 times of what has been/will be aniimated). Meaning, that the author wants to pace things on a macro-scale, sadly sacrificing a bit on the micro-pacing. And just to piss off a few people, while actually remaining correct, I'd like to draw a paralell between NGNL, and Mushishi. They are similar in the fashion, that it's not the conclusion, that truly matters, but the path leading there. |
GreenDrag said: In my opinion, the novels will go for about 18-30 volumes (that's 3-5 times of what is currently out, and 6-10 times of what has been/will be aniimated). Meaning, that the author wants to pace things on a macro-scale, sadly sacrificing a bit on the micro-pacing. And just to piss off a few people, while actually remaining correct, I'd like to draw a paralell between NGNL, and Mushishi. They are similar in the fashion, that it's not the conclusion, that truly matters, but the path leading there. While I liked most of what was in your post, I feel the part in bold was uncalled for. Anyway, are you sure about this though? 30 volumes sounds awesome, although a bit much. |
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Botato said: While I liked most of what was in your post, I feel the part in bold was uncalled for. Anyway, are you sure about this though? 30 volumes sounds awesome, although a bit much. I am, however truthful with that statement. Comparing NGNL to an already highly acclaimed show (not to say, that NGNL will not get high praise after it ends [which btw, it won't, because it will probably get a ending, which isn't that well liked]) did carry a bit of my anger towards a few select people, whom I wish to anger a bit. And it is not in my nature (at least I hope it isn't) to lie about such trivial facts. And 30 volumes is my maximum guess, that it will go with a still bearable, but not perfect pacing. It took [ ] and co. 3 volumes to conquer their first victims, and there are 14 more to go. Recent developements suggest, that things will speed up a bit, making it likely, that [ ] will get one piece per volume, from now on, plus 1 volume for Tet (making it 18 volumes), however it is also possible, that certain foes will take several volumes, due to their difficulty. Which, if we calcualte with 2 volumes (after the "easy prey" are out of the way) per race, should roughly translate to 30 volumes. But those are merely my -mostly- blind estimations. I personally hope for less, but better, than more, but weaker. (So around 18-20 volumes are what I'm anticipating) But the point is, 30 volumes is the maximum number or books, that will come out. Also, the main reason, as to why I'm talking about these estimates is because I'd like to stress, that ultimately, we are barely at the first stepstone of the story, so expecting full backstories is kind of silly. |
| I freaking loved this episode, it was done so well and completely blew me away with the ending, jfc I still haven't recovered from watching it. Jesus NGNL is just getting so freaking awesome I can't believe it. But let me get this right, Sora lost his memories on purpose in order to swap memories with Kuromi so that they + her elf friend can work together in the future without [Blank] having to worry about Kuromi protesting or not being cooperative, right? Cause that was a goddamn bet he made with his very existence on the line but the indescribable amount of trust he has in Shiro is amazing and well, iindescribable. |
Takuan_Soho said: Kaioshin_Sama said: That's sort of a major problem I have with the show is that for all it goes on about the siblings being master of games, it absolutely sucks balls at portraying not only this aspect in a plausible manner but you just feel no love or appreciation for the games they are playing being shown. So your major issue with this series is because you are a Game Purist and you believe that this show is mocking the purity of your games..... Okay, I guess that is a reason..... Though Once that again you should have noticed during the first 3 minutes of the first episode (the video gamers were cheating to begin with, which showed that the games are not games) and was repeated at the final 3 minutes of the episode (where Sora pointed out that the rule did NOT say "no cheating". I'm just not a moron and know how the games are meant to be played so the total lack of effort in portraying common parlor games correctly is more than a little insulting. Again as person that gives the slightest damn about these sorts of things enough to comment on and notice them. Also I feel if cheating was involved or bending the rules some acknowledgement would have been made by the characters during or after the fact like it has in all other cases, but no they clearly just fucked up animating it. It happens but it kind of flies in the face of the show being total unconstrained genius. |
PeacingOutJun 9, 2014 9:52 PM
| As a LN reader, I'm quite disappointed when seeing how much materials they cut off from LN and made it that rushed, but oh well..other than that they capture the essence of the game well. Though because I'm a big Sora x Shiro shipper, I...ugh why did they left their scenes out so much.. |
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| I'm going to say it now, I really like this series so far, but I need some help understanding what is going on. Also, after reading 4 pages, I haven't seen anyone address what I'm having trouble with understanding. I don't have time to read 20 pages (lol) From what I understand, Shiro and Sora challenged the Eastern kingdom to a game. They wait a week and suddenly they are in a match against Kurami who, from what I understand, isn't necessarily in alliance with the eastern kingdom/beastfolk. After that match, Kurami loses and the main characters have the help of the elves. Where does the Eastern kingdom fall into this if at all? Am I to assume that they haven't had the match with the Eastern Kingdom yet because I am pretty confused since Sora disappeared from memory between episodes 8-9 and it cuts to a Othello pair game with Kurami. During that waiting time (1 week), Sora mentioned that he was waiting for someone who had the balls to challenge him and that person was Kurami. Again, what does this have to do with the Eastern Kingdom? Am I also to assume that Kurami was fighting on behalf the of the Eastern Kingdom? If not, what does that have to do with the Eastern Kingdom other than them getting the help from the elves before fighting them? Assuming they haven't fought the Eastern Kingdom yet, if they needed the help from the elves before fighting the Eastern Kingdom, they could have made that a little more clear instead of just going straight to Shiro's memory partially lost. If it was plainly obvious and I missed it, please point it out with time-stamps for each episodes so that I can grasp what I missed so I can be on the same page as all of you. |
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Takuan_Soho said: The Reversi game could have been better shown, but as others here have posted it was covered in the novel, the animation just kept the essence of the game (i.e. reversii) so it wasn't too hard to figure out what had happened. Actually, about that... Game itself wasn't fully covered in the novel either, so anime represented that part quite well despite big cuts (which would easily add at least 2 additional minutes of content). If we disregard the explanation on what happened on 20th which will probably be shown in episode 10, anime didn't show how Sora started to lose himself as the game progressed. Overall, the focus was not on the game itself (unlike Chess and Shiritori) but on the greater picture surrounding that game. Same as Shiro's chess match against Jibril wasn't important, important was Shiro's wager of "false memories" and her fall in despair. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
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FlameWingman21Jun 11, 2014 9:19 AM
FlameWingman21 said: They are not shonen manga protagonists because they don't need miracle to win. Get it right! They aren't shounen manga protagonists because they are LIGHT NOVEL PROTAGONISTS. Shounen is not a genre. |
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| what a crazy bet o_o Though I don't really understand how the game itself worked ~_~. |
Beast666 said: Only lunatics will play a game with their own existence as the bet.  |
| Awww T_T The most serious episode... and that was awesome |
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| not going through these 20 pages to see if someone already mentioned it (doubt it tho) but she actually lost that chess game http://lookpic.com/O/i2/341/c1fbmQbH.jpeg k, cant get any of the usual img displaying things for forums to work, forget which one is used on this site.. but its not "IMG" or "a href" or theres the link the O is where the knight was previously but it doesn't matter, cuz she was already in checkmate from the queen, staff fell asleep? i mean this whole show is about games, it might be believable if the knight was to the right of the bishop, where it could technically take out the queen OR put their king in checkmate by going to the same place on the board, don't know the rules on that (to my knowledge you have to move the king, put something in the way, or take out the piece putting the king in check) |
Hito420Jun 13, 2014 11:36 AM
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| I thought that Sora had lost the game in the game or something like that, but this was a lot more interesting. Good shit! |
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| The two pairs cry in the end, haha! XD I'm very proud of Sora to think such a brilliant idea. I have no words left to say. And I'm also proud of Shiro for trying her best to figure out his brother's whereabouts and for helping Sora to win the game although she has no idea where the game is occurring. And finally, I'm so happy that the siblings not only earn Kurami and Fi's trust and allegiance, but also sharing their memories to each other. |
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| this episode was fucking stupid "i can see it!!! i can see what he is doing/would do/whatever!!" repeat till infinity... yeah, I don't buy that bullshit. also the drama didn't move me at all... urgh, my enjoyment for this anime just went down a lot |
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