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LooQ said: judals said: LooQ said: Anyone knows how's the ost called that plays in 10:35?(When neferpitou asks Gon to wait, and he freecss out.) Not sure but I think it's "Old man crucified" from the Last Mission ost Nay, not this one :(. I'm talking about when he starts to rage. Btw, I made a mistake, I was talking about 10:15* Oh, that's called "the puppeteer" :) |
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judals said: Rendio said: How the hell does your logic work? I think it's to generate arguments. Seeing it's all rhetorical with no substance. By the way, do you think Gon would actually kill Komugi if he really lost it? "rhetorical with no substance"? How so? You didn't even reply to my answer because it's too hard for you to say "Oh! So that's what you meant? I see". And instead you... "By the way, do you think Gon would actually kill Komugi if he really lost it?" Can your posts become even more random? |
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| BEAUTIFUL BEAUTIFUL BEAUTIFUL. I was speechless watching the entire episode. LOL. Thank you so much to the animation team and to the Voice Actors. BEST. EPISODE. EVER. I crack'd a little when Gon wasn't even taking notice of Komugi. lol. All he sees are Pitou and Kaito. He even told Killua to f*ck off. :( |
| so when will they start fighting?! |
pkKodama said: I got into so many discussions that I know how YOU feel due to your shitty arguments. For real you're missing the number 3! He wouldn't approve how Kaito killed them if they actually DID care for their friends, which is the different from what he said about Nobunaga, in one situation caring for comrades smoothes the situation while in the other it worsens, that's the incoherent point, why can't you just get it? STOP writing that whole second paragraph, that's NOT the point. "To simplify it for you: He doesn't like *killers*, but he really really hates killers who care about friends." The problem is, during a certain moment it was the other way around! Ok, It took me some time, but I understand what you mean. And yeah, that's a bit strange. http://www.mangareader.net/207-14205-12/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-196.html http://www.mangareader.net/207-14205-13/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-196.html Through those 2 pages, Kaito implies that Gon would have sympathised with the ants, if they cared about their comrades, which would contradict his reactions towards Nobunaga earlier in the serie. |
| Kite was speculating about what gon will do. Gon himself never declared his intention to show mercy for those who DO care about comrades. "What will you do then" the implied follow-up question is "Would you show mercy"? And in this episode we got our answer, which is that he'd be in dismay even more. |
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m3ma said: so when will they start fighting?! It's clearly state in this episode: Gon allowed Pitou one hour to heal Komugi, then they'd travel to Peijing to heal Kite. So all these need to happen first before there's a fight, if there's ever going to be one. Like there might not be a fight if Gon were content that Kite is heal and Pitou decides not to provoke and leave. btw I'm still surprise that many people still don't 'get' it, HxH is not your usual Jump fighting shounen. People are watching this with the wrong expectation. They're expecting the usual spectacle battles, non stop series of 1 vs 1 fights, etc. Here's the truth: The entire palace invasion is more of a thriller with mostly mind games, psychological exposition and stealth action. You won't see one vs one type of battle other than the King vs Netero. |
| I really didn't want to react on this discussion but I can't help myself lol. Okay let's go back and see what happend at the beginning of this arc. - Kite, Gon, Killua find out that chimera ants are eating people and go to NGL to protect human kind. - Gon and Killua fight Rammot but Rammot was saved by Colt (his nakama) before they could kill him. - 3 hunters fight and kill Yunju squad. - Gon kills Fodder flodder ant 3245 of Hagya squad after he tells Gon how he enjoys killing humans. - Killua's opponent flodder ant 6879 trash talks ant 3245 and Gon gets pissed off. FACT: Gon killed an ant after he have seen Colt save Rammot and before flodder ant 6879 trash talked his nakama. That makes me wonder what nakama means in this situation. This is a ant vs humans war. He can't respect ants who look down on their own specie and humans who don't value other human lives. Thats why his first thought was to protect Komugi from Pitou, he told Pitou to get her monster away from Komugi and come outside to fight him. Why does he wants to fight outside? to protect Komugi obviously. He got pissed off when Pitou begged him to give her time to heal Komugi. Komugi is not the nakama of the ants, she is a human just like Kite. So why does she care for Komugi a human girl when she did all those evil things to Kite? It's because Komugi is special to the king making her indirectly important to Pitou. Just like Uvo was special for Nobunaga/Spiders and they don't value other people lives. |
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Rikudo95 said: WOW this episode was soo epic even though nothing special happened the episode was very exciting and they animated it perfectly...I love gon in rage mode he looks so badass >.< By the way can someone tell me what chapter the episode covers? 274/275 I believe. |
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| Wow, Gon went psycho. I don't really like Gon to begin with and his expression's this episode made him look like he was constipated. Damn you Gon, you made Killua sad. Ah, I love Killua. Also, I really liked Pitou this episode. I'd have to say I like her alot more than Gon, though to begin with I already did like her more than Gon. |
SetsukoHara said: pkKodama said: I got into so many discussions that I know how YOU feel due to your shitty arguments. For real you're missing the number 3! He wouldn't approve how Kaito killed them if they actually DID care for their friends, which is the different from what he said about Nobunaga, in one situation caring for comrades smoothes the situation while in the other it worsens, that's the incoherent point, why can't you just get it? STOP writing that whole second paragraph, that's NOT the point. "To simplify it for you: He doesn't like *killers*, but he really really hates killers who care about friends." The problem is, during a certain moment it was the other way around! Ok, It took me some time, but I understand what you mean. And yeah, that's a bit strange. http://www.mangareader.net/207-14205-12/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-196.html http://www.mangareader.net/207-14205-13/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-196.html Through those 2 pages, Kaito implies that Gon would have sympathised with the ants, if they cared about their comrades, which would contradict his reactions towards Nobunaga earlier in the serie. Yeah thank you for agreeing with me, reading your post I thought, I should have used the pages from the beginning to make it clear but then reading what Judals wrote after that I finnaly realised, it's no use. @judals are you trolling? Are you purposely missing the point trying to make me mad? There's no way you would seriously write that judals said: Kite was speculating about what gon will do. Gon himself never declared his intention to show mercy for those who DO care about comrades. "What will you do then" the implied follow-up question is "Would you show mercy"? And in this episode we got our answer, which is that he'd be in dismay even more. after reading this: "Don't worry about me" "I have no intention of showing sympathy for those that consider their own comrades as trash!" |
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| "I have no intention of showing sympathy for those that consider their own comrades as trash" does not translate to "I will show them sympathy if they treat them otherwise". Kite gave us an open-ended question, to which the answer was, no. Gon would not show sympathy still. He would even get more upset. |
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judals said: "I have no intention of showing sympathy for those that consider their own comrades as trash" does not translate to "I will show them sympathy if they treat them otherwise". Yes, it DOES! That's the obvious damn it. |
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pkKodama said: judals said: "I have no intention of showing sympathy for those that consider their own comrades as trash" does not translate to "I will show them sympathy if they treat them otherwise". Yes, it DOES! How so? |
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judals said: "I have no intention of showing sympathy for those that consider their own comrades as trash" does not translate to "I will show them sympathy if they treat them otherwise". Yeah but it more than implied. Why does Gon even mention the comrade part if that's completely irrelevant to his feeling? Why doesn't he just say: "I have no intention of showing sympathy for those killers." He mentions the comrade as if it was the thing that pisses him the most about those dead ants. And when you add that to Kite's question, it is clear Togashi wants us to think that thing will not get that simple when Gon will meet an ant that care about his comrades. |
SetsukoHara said: judals said: "I have no intention of showing sympathy for those that consider their own comrades as trash" does not translate to "I will show them sympathy if they treat them otherwise". Yeah but it more than implied. Why does Gon even mention the comrade part if that's completely irrelevant to his feeling? Why doesn't he just say: "I have no intention of showing sympathy for those killers." He mentions the comrade as if it was the thing that pisses him the most about those dead ants. And when you add that to Kite's question, it is clear Togashi wants us to think that thing will not get that simple when Gon will meet an ant that care about his comrades. It was indeed implied to have a (follow-up) question, to the readers, which is narrated by Kite: What would he do if that's the case? Now usually, the natural answer would be yeah, he would show sympathy, but to our surprise* he did not react that way, but it just made him angrier. *: Except if we look back, it wasn't surprising at all, he did the same with Nobunaga. So we should have expected it. |
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judals said: pkKodama said: judals said: "I have no intention of showing sympathy for those that consider their own comrades as trash" does not translate to "I will show them sympathy if they treat them otherwise". Yes, it DOES! How so? |
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therapbandit said: Gon have always been a hypocrite though. He likes to believe he can do things that others can't. He can show mercy to his comrades, even though he's a legit killer. But other killers can't. He's also an child, with a child mentality. And the one this ant killed was someone close to him, so of course he not gone be all,"Oh, you care about your comrade. Haha, it's okay you killed the hunter who saved my life, and my one connection to my father. " He's enraged, and blinded by that rage. Right now, all he cares about is saving Kite. Well if you consider going out of your ways when you're angry would make you a hypocrite, then maybe. Actually I think that's the case. Since Gon himself said your true nature shows when you're angry... I really like that they are adding up on that... in such an unexpected way for an MC. |
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SetsukoHara said: judals said: "I have no intention of showing sympathy for those that consider their own comrades as trash" does not translate to "I will show them sympathy if they treat them otherwise". Yeah but it more than implied. Why does Gon even mention the comrade part if that's completely irrelevant to his feeling? Why doesn't he just say: "I have no intention of showing sympathy for those killers." He mentions the comrade as if it was the thing that pisses him the most about those dead ants. And when you add that to Kite's question, it is clear Togashi wants us to think that thing will not get that simple when Gon will meet an ant that care about his comrades. Thats just Togashi playing with our minds/expectations. Gon have seen Colt save Rammot's ass and he still killed that flodder ant. Gon wouldn't have exploded like he did in 116 if Pitou was healing an ant, he got pissed off because she was healing a human, Pitou is playing favorites with humans. Begging him to give her time to heal Komugi after she turned Kite into a puppet. Thats why he got mad. It's perfect in line with what happend in YN. |
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Dangerr said: Cryptical said: Gon becoming some kind of monster is in my opinion just weird and felt out of place. I hardly enjoyed this episode. I like how they went more emotional with this episode, but the feelings just didn't reach me. It all feels so sudden and to be honest, I couldn't care less about Kite either. I don't get the relevance of this arc to begin with, apart from the whole bullshit with Kite, so I hope the serie is almost done with it. One thing I do like is that they're not afraid to have a serious tone in this series. That is cool. But going overboard with the result of not making any sense at all anymore is not cool. It really isn't out of character - this has always been a side of Gon. Due to a combination of his natural personality and him still being a child, he hasn't really fully integrated the values and morality of society into his being yet. As far as Gon is concerned, while he dislikes blatant evil acts and unjust behavior, he won't typically go out of his way to try bringing justice to those individuals he finds distaste with. Unless, of course, its him or his friends you've messed with; then its personal. Whether or not you agree on the anime's effectiveness in portraying it, Kite was someone Gon deeply confided in and admired - someone probably as or nearly important to him as Killua or his Aunt Mito. His emotional investiture on that level is sparing, but when its pushed to its limits, it's what you saw in this episode. The most important thing to mention regarding why his rage is so profound, however, is the notion that he blames himself for what happened to Kite - that he knew he was powerless to stop it, and in his eyes, was even the cause for Kite's guard being lowered to warn them of the attack. Given Gon's deeply self-confident and highly emotional nature, this hatred is magnified both towards himself and Pitou. There's also been plenty of precedent in his latent, deviant behavior; befriending Killua, the whole fight with Genthru, and his visible, slow buildup of anticipatory rage in the last 20 or so episodes have all given hints to this. Dangerr: My thoughts exactly. I couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you for your glorious explanation. |
| My computer almost burned because of all the intensity of this episode, it was fantastic. Gon's VA did a amazing job. |
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| I think this is a perfectly good example as to why Gon does not fit the prototype of a standard hero/MC. While many heroes do not follow the altruistic prototype this shows that not only does Gon not really give a shit about true good vs. evil (as mentioned in the manga and i believe in earlier episodes by other characters) and he is really a child. Although to be fair its not only children who act that way, anyone whose buttons have been pushed enough will end up like this. A normal hero would've given Pitou the benefit of the doubt and would have at least had the patience to wait (or even spare Pitou). Gon on the other hand only gave in because, 1) he will benefit from it (the promise to help Kite) 2) Killua was there to supply reason. |
| I didn't mention the voice acting earlier, but it was amazing. Megumi's performance here was one of the best I've ever heard. So much raw emotion, really gave the scene incredible emotional power. |
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| So much emotions playing through Gon's mind. Such a perfect episode. |
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| Probably the best episode in the whole anime so far. |
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| Words can't even describe how perfect this episode was, one of the best things i ever see. And i fucking love how Gon have such a unique personality! |
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jimmy2027 said: SaSa-Zoldyck said: Thats just Togashi playing with our minds/expectations. Gon have seen Colt save Rammot's ass and he still killed that flodder ant. Gon wouldn't have exploded like he did in 116 if Pitou was healing an ant, he got pissed off because she was healing a human, Pitou is playing favorites with humans. Begging him to give her time to heal Komugi after she turned Kite into a puppet. Thats why he got mad. It's perfect in line with what happend in YN. Well, another reason he got mad is because, after he trained so hard to be able to battle the ants, the result is that the enemy he has long waited to face is not taking fighting seriously but is now begging for her life. Her lack in fighting spirit makes her worse than an enemy. Pitou isn't begging for her life, she pretty much doesn't give a shit about her own well being. Her number one priority right now is Komugi's safety, and she feels as though the best way to achieve that goal is to posture herself and tell Gon what is going on. So no, Pitou definitely isn't acting like a coward here. A coward doesn't put themselves in front of a defenseless girl like Komugi, hence Killua's mother cat comment. |
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noobalm said: This episode felt somehow fake, this wasn't like Gon at all, he allowed the bomber to live even though he killed that many people and now he acts like this just because Pitou harmed his friend? This is very irrational thinking... lame It's not just that Kite was killed. It's also the fact that Pitou has the audacity to try to defend someones life when she took his friend and mentor's life so callously. I am repeating myself, but he just can't process how she could dare do something like that. It's not just that though, it's the fact that he was dead set on going in there and fighting Pitou from the view that she and the Royal Guard are monsters, that's it, so when he sees this it causes him to rage. Thinking about how Netero and Zeno reacted, it was like adults. They were shocked, yes, but they took it in and did what they felt was right. Gon, however, is a kid. And, he reacted precisely as a child does, he threw a fit. Yes, Killua didn't react like that at all. He took it in, and processed what was happening. But, Killua has no doubt seen all kinds of devastating things so it is a very different reaction he gave. |
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noobalm said: This episode felt somehow fake, this wasn't like Gon at all, he allowed the bomber to live even though he killed that many people and now he acts like this just because Pitou harmed his friend? This is very irrational thinking... lame First, he still captured him, he only refused to become an executioner. Second, doing so mercilessly would contradict with his ideals. Killua himself killed many more. As far as GI goes, it's a deadly game what were people expecting? Third, Gon has been changing over the course of the series, of course it'd be different, but it's not like it happened all of a sudden. And finally, for many reasons listed before, Gon was reached a boiling point. He's never been this angry. |
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| Man, I watched this episode again. And yup I undoubtedly dislike Gon, I hope he does more despicable things in the future, he starting to finally be an interesting character. |
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tsudecimo said: Man, I watched this episode again. And yup I undoubtedly dislike Gon, I hope he does more despicable things in the future, he starting to finally be an interesting character. What did he really do that was so despicable, though? I mean, yes, he shouldn't have lashed out at Killua, but he was angry and people do something of this nature all the time when they are pissed off. Sure, that doesn't make it alright. But, despicable? |
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| Well, that was... intense. |
| Can't wait for the next episode. Preview looked awesome. |
Greenward said: Just imagine the boner Hisoka would be having seeing Gon like this. This made my day. Seriously. |
insan3Spectre said: tsudecimo said: Man, I watched this episode again. And yup I undoubtedly dislike Gon, I hope he does more despicable things in the future, he starting to finally be an interesting character. What did he really do that was so despicable, though? I mean, yes, he shouldn't have lashed out at Killua, but he was angry and people do something of this nature all the time when they are pissed off. Sure, that doesn't make it alright. But, despicable? Maybe the use of the word despicable is not accurate or appropriate enough. I'm not commenting on whether or not it's justified. Lashing out in Killua and disregarding the (maybe) innocent injured girl in the floor were unlikable actions at least. |
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Rendio said: pkKodama said: Rendio said: pkKodama, I have no freaking clue about what you're talking about. She's an ant that has done some serious genocides in several villages, dismembered his friend and put him back as a lifeless doll. How the hell does your logic work? Did I ever deny all that? Are we discussing how evil her actions were? When I called her cute was only about her looks, how moe she sounds and how humble she was at that very moment only following orders in a helpless state. And that's just how I felt about the situation, I don't think it's ok for a guy to bully a cute girl like that, due to my beliefs and principles, if I need to add "imo" after every sentence and didn't do so, I'm really sorry about that. First the "people who kill animals are worse than scum, those who eat meat are doing nothing wrong" bullshit, and now this "a guy to bully a cute girl like that"... HAHAHAHHA, I know this will get removed - but you are one fucking hard nutcase Pkodama - even writing me some bullshit ass comment to me after I've told you to just fucking quit what I hope is you trolling (otherwise I do really feel sorry for you). I seriously do believe these forums went from decent to shit when you went all ham on them. And to the admin that removes this reply, PLEASE GIVE US AN IGNORE FUNCTION - cause the solution I got about "just not reading the posts" just does not work when he writes about 30% of the entire thread even replying. Are direct attacks all you can use your comments for? You don't come to this forum to comment about the episode, but to find a way to insult me. You don't really want an ignore function, you want to make sure you read all my comments so that you can attack me. I even had patience to answer you in the politest way as possible, but that's not enough for you. You simply can't deal with your grudge, seriously grow up. |
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tsudecimo said: insan3Spectre said: tsudecimo said: Man, I watched this episode again. And yup I undoubtedly dislike Gon, I hope he does more despicable things in the future, he starting to finally be an interesting character. What did he really do that was so despicable, though? I mean, yes, he shouldn't have lashed out at Killua, but he was angry and people do something of this nature all the time when they are pissed off. Sure, that doesn't make it alright. But, despicable? Maybe the use of the word despicable is not accurate or appropriate enough. I'm not commenting on whether or not it's justified. Lashing out in Killua and disregarding the (maybe) innocent injured girl in the floor were unlikable actions at least. He didn't disregard her. He comes into the room and sees Pitou, with some sort of monster hovering over an unconscious Komugi. He thinks they are attacking her, or doing the same stitch job Pitou did to Kite. So, he tells her to get away from Komugi. He doesn't know that killing or even attacking Pitou would kill the girl. So, yes, he could indirectly cause her death but that was not his intention. And he definitely took note of her presence. |
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insan3Spectre said: tsudecimo said: insan3Spectre said: tsudecimo said: Man, I watched this episode again. And yup I undoubtedly dislike Gon, I hope he does more despicable things in the future, he starting to finally be an interesting character. What did he really do that was so despicable, though? I mean, yes, he shouldn't have lashed out at Killua, but he was angry and people do something of this nature all the time when they are pissed off. Sure, that doesn't make it alright. But, despicable? Maybe the use of the word despicable is not accurate or appropriate enough. I'm not commenting on whether or not it's justified. Lashing out in Killua and disregarding the (maybe) innocent injured girl in the floor were unlikable actions at least. He didn't disregard her. He comes into the room and sees Pitou, with some sort of monster hovering over an unconscious Komugi. He thinks they are attacking her, or doing the same stitch job Pitou did to Kite. So, he tells her to get away from Komugi. He doesn't know that killing or even attacking Pitou would kill the girl. So, yes, he could indirectly cause her death but that was not his intention. And he definitely took note of her presence. At first glance yes, but he was about to use Jajanken even after knowing that Pitou was actually healing Komugi. |
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| It's lesser than 1 manga's episode... should be annoying, but i really enjoyed it. Great animation! |
Inudragonfan said: It's lesser than 1 manga's episode... should be annoying, but i really enjoyed it. Great animation! No you are wrong. This episodes covers two manga chapters. |
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