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Dec 30, 2013 10:40 AM
#251
Naruto's and Bleach's ranking is nowhere near to Gintama's so that's just random. One Piece Z has below 30k members and is ranked below One Piece which is ironic. Random post is random. Steins gate movie is the one who is overrated and ranked high because of the fandom if anything. |
Dec 30, 2013 10:59 AM
#252
NotJizzyHitler said: tokiyashiro said: You know what also makes the Mal community look bad? people like you that insult others that dont like what you like even bringing up other fandoms that arent even a part of the insignificant conflict going on now.Wow clearly those who are down voting this Movie has no idea what Gintama is. Too bad your Naruto or Bleach got shot down so hard. For those who are saying this will go down like how Shingeki no Kyoujin did, please use your brains. Shingeki was at Rank 6 at that time, but it only had half the episode on its first season. So people will still change their mind on their ranking. And this movie has only one episode, therefor only 5% or less people who overall ranked this movie will change their mind. Why are you haters giving too many reasons that this doesn't deserve or this ranking is not fair. Lol, too many Naruto fanboys got butthurt i guess?. And this ranking is not about how popular the show is, this is about the QUALITY of the SHOW and not QUANTITY. One Piece Film Z is about 100k+ members and it's ranked down to 35. Gezzuz this people. Making MAL community look bad. Quit shoving your fandom down other's throats, you just make the entire fanbase look like assholes ^ Yep, this is one of the guys I'm talking about. If you don't like Gintama, then don't even or try to comment here. Without you people here bitching about the Movie I would'nt even bother to point the mistakes or stupidity in the likes of you. |
Found this user profile on MAL once, I laughed my ass off once I saw his profile. Too bad he updated it now. Shame I got a screenshot of it. Best Favorite Anime list ever on MAL. NotJizzyHitler's profile: http://i.imgur.com/yBOV24Z.png |
Dec 30, 2013 11:01 AM
#253
tokiyashiro said: Are you a troll or just really really Kondou(just censored myself)? I'm going with the latter. He does have a profile, look at it.^ Yep, this is one of the guys I'm talking about. If you don't like Gintama, then don't even or try to comment here. Without you people here bitching about the Movie I would'nt even bother to point the mistakes or stupidity in the likes of you. |
Short of the day: Monotonous Purgatory(MAL) ✰Public Domain Club | One Piece Club✰ |
Dec 30, 2013 11:16 AM
#254
Ridiculous as always at the last page. |
Dec 30, 2013 11:23 AM
#255
Dafuq is with this people, I love Steins;Gate and FML, and other anime series that is included in top 30. I don't care if Gintama tops them or not. I am BOTH a hard fan of Gintama, Steins;Gate, Gurren Laggan, FML because I love to watch anime which are rated high HERE in MAL. Therefor I don't really care if you compare them or not because I could agree or disagree. And you guys really still doubt that Gintama taking another series or movie on the Top 10 list is new?. Open your EYES guys there are 4 Gintama series there on the Top 10. It's not about fanboyism, it's because Gintama is just that good. Ofcourse this things ain't new. If something goes viral or popular. Tons of haters will surely come to the scene just like these haters are doing right now. On final note, if you don't watch Gintama or don't like the show because you have low sense of humor. Then don't bother to even write a comment or post here. Have a good day ;). |
Found this user profile on MAL once, I laughed my ass off once I saw his profile. Too bad he updated it now. Shame I got a screenshot of it. Best Favorite Anime list ever on MAL. NotJizzyHitler's profile: http://i.imgur.com/yBOV24Z.png |
Dec 30, 2013 11:27 AM
#256
tokiyashiro said: If you looked at this list you'd realize he gave Gintama a 9. Don't be so ignorant, no one actually cares about the top 10 anime, only fanboys like you.^ Yep, this is one of the guys I'm talking about. If you don't like Gintama, then don't even or try to comment here. Without you people here bitching about the Movie I would'nt even bother to point the mistakes or stupidity in the likes of you. |
an egomaniac and a fool |
Dec 30, 2013 11:28 AM
#257
Yeah, you're a Kondou. |
Short of the day: Monotonous Purgatory(MAL) ✰Public Domain Club | One Piece Club✰ |
Dec 30, 2013 11:28 AM
#258
tokiyashiro said: Dafuq is with this people, I love Steins;Gate and FML, and other anime series that is included in top 30. I don't care if Gintama tops them or not. I am BOTH a hard fan of Gintama, Steins;Gate, Gurren Laggan, FML because I love to watch anime which are rated high HERE in MAL. Therefor I don't really care if you compare them or not because I could agree or disagree. And you guys really still doubt that Gintama taking another series or movie on the Top 10 list is new?. Open your EYES guys there are 4 Gintama series there on the Top 10. It's not about fanboyism, it's because Gintama is just that good. Ofcourse this things ain't new. If something goes viral or popular. Tons of haters will surely come to the scene just like these haters are doing right now. On final note, if you don't watch Gintama or don't like the show because you have low sense of humor. Then don't bother to even write a comment or post here. Have a good day ;). My desire of watching Gintama died after reading this post. |
Dec 30, 2013 11:35 AM
#259
now this page is derpy. 0_o |
Dec 30, 2013 11:59 AM
#261
Slyr3do0n said: I'm on a forum dedicated to talking about cartoons from a country halfway around the world from my location, when would i not be wasting my time whilst on here?^You're wasting your time. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Dec 30, 2013 12:02 PM
#262
NotJizzyHitler said: Fair enough, I just wasted half an hour reading the last 6 pages for some reason and I felt like putting in the minimal effort to stop this madness.Slyr3do0n said: I'm on a forum dedicated to talking about cartoons from a country halfway around the world from my location, when would i not be wasting my time whilst on here?^You're wasting your time. |
Dec 30, 2013 12:06 PM
#263
Slyr3do0n said: I enjoy arguing to dense people like him, though i think its good for people to argue with them even if theres no chance of winning, because while it doesnt convince the moron spewing nonsense it will show outsiders that not all of the fanbase are obnoxiously shoving the show's quality down others throatsNotJizzyHitler said: Fair enough, I just wasted half an hour reading the last 6 pages for some reason and I felt like putting in the minimal effort to stop this madness.Slyr3do0n said: I'm on a forum dedicated to talking about cartoons from a country halfway around the world from my location, when would i not be wasting my time whilst on here?^You're wasting your time. like I said earlier, when fans act like the way he did it only makes the fanbase look bad |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Dec 30, 2013 12:09 PM
#264
...and it's already dropping in score. |
Dec 30, 2013 12:12 PM
#265
RandomPerson4 said: its been pretty stable at 9.20 for about a day, i think when all is said and done in a few weeks it will be in the 8.90's...and it's already dropping in score. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Dec 30, 2013 12:29 PM
#266
NotJizzyHitler said: Ya, I can understand that. I get annoyed whenever I see rabid fans of shows that I really like.I enjoy arguing to dense people like him, though i think its good for people to argue with them even if theres no chance of winning, because while it doesnt convince the moron spewing nonsense it will show outsiders that not all of the fanbase are obnoxiously shoving the show's quality down others throats like I said earlier, when fans act like the way he did it only makes the fanbase look bad The most annoying thing about these threads is that they remind me that the Top Anime list is a thing. And no matter how much I tell myself the ratings don't matter, I can't help but feel that twinge of sadness or success whenever my favourite shows move up or down. |
Dec 30, 2013 12:34 PM
#267
Slyr3do0n said: I used to care about them until i started watching shows in the 7.00's that I enjoyed thuroughly. I dont think the ratings are broken like some people but i think we need to stop relying on them, rather than see something has a high score and immediately watch it based off that we should look at why people like it in the reviews or elsewareNotJizzyHitler said: Ya, I can understand that. I get annoyed whenever I see rabid fans of shows that I really like.I enjoy arguing to dense people like him, though i think its good for people to argue with them even if theres no chance of winning, because while it doesnt convince the moron spewing nonsense it will show outsiders that not all of the fanbase are obnoxiously shoving the show's quality down others throats like I said earlier, when fans act like the way he did it only makes the fanbase look bad The most annoying thing about these threads is that they remind me that the Top Anime list is a thing. And no matter how much I tell myself the ratings don't matter, I can't help but feel that twinge of sadness or success whenever my favourite shows move up or down. like when you see gintama right behind FMA: B in the ratings you are gonna think stuff like, "oh wow this gintama series must be mindblowingly awesome series with a great plot" When in actuality its a comedy series with a very minor plot that you only notice when you piece together all the occasional serious arcs. The ratings do jack shit of actually introducing you to new shows they only over/underbuild some and give people the wrong idea going into them |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Dec 30, 2013 1:04 PM
#268
It'll drop eventually I guess, but not so much hopefully specially within the movie category. I really liked the movie & being a Gintama fan I rank it high as one of the best movies I've seen especially in the "shounen" movies genre, but to each their own for sure, that's why each profile has top 5 best anime/manga. Hopefully the anime series will be back soon, it really deserves more love ^^ |
Dec 30, 2013 2:32 PM
#269
NotJizzyHitler said: Kiev said: You really cant blame him when theres assholes like that guy making us look like that. He picked a fight with introver for saying the most neutral possible thing to say given the situation for crying out loudInferno_Cop said: My desire of watching Gintama died after reading this post. Don't be. Or else you'll probably miss something great. Lol yes i totally understand, tbh i was speechless when i was going through his invalid arguments. I seriously doubt if he even knows which side he's on, or he might just be a total fanatic. |
Dec 30, 2013 2:37 PM
#270
Anything related to Gintama on this website is OVERRATED! i mean come on, all the gintama 3 series are on the top 10 ranking! and this movie is #2 .. and it was #1 yesterday. no way in hell this movie would be any better than FMA:B NO WAAAAY! |
Dec 30, 2013 2:53 PM
#271
DoN-Anas7 said: well for starters over rated is a made up term to justify someone having an unpopular opinion but not wanting to accept that for whatever reason despite there being nothing inherently wrong with being in a minority on something unless you start acting like its in the right, aka using terms like over rated or over hyped, Anything related to Gintama on this website is OVERRATED! i mean come on, all the gintama 3 series are on the top 10 ranking! and this movie is #2 .. and it was #1 yesterday. no way in hell this movie would be any better than FMA:B NO WAAAAY! and 2 they are very different and shouldn't be compared under any circumstance but even then you cant say which is better if you only watch 1 |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Dec 30, 2013 2:54 PM
#272
DoN-Anas7 said: lol noAnything related to Gintama on this website is OVERRATED! i mean come on, all the gintama 3 series are on the top 10 ranking! and this movie is #2 .. and it was #1 yesterday. no way in hell this movie would be any better than FMA:B NO WAAAAY! |
an egomaniac and a fool |
Dec 30, 2013 2:57 PM
#273
DoN-Anas7 said: Anything related to Gintama on this website is OVERRATED! i mean come on, all the gintama 3 series are on the top 10 ranking! and this movie is #2 .. and it was #1 yesterday. no way in hell this movie would be any better than FMA:B NO WAAAAY! What he said. I just gave Gintama a 3 Rating, so you kids can be happy. But in my opinion the series is far overrated. I mean come on, you're just pushing the score up just because you like it. Did you ever consider watching Steins;Gate, SnK, FMA:B and so on? I for myself rated them 10 because they have a brilliant story, good art and superb OST. But thats just my opinion, not yours. So live with it instead of crying 'He voted them others 10 and Gintama 1 *cry baby cry*' |
Dec 30, 2013 2:57 PM
#274
Everybody's a Kondou. |
Short of the day: Monotonous Purgatory(MAL) ✰Public Domain Club | One Piece Club✰ |
Dec 30, 2013 2:59 PM
#275
So.... why does this thread still exist? |
Dec 30, 2013 3:00 PM
#276
I just finished it a little while ago and I have to say 10/10. |
Dec 30, 2013 3:02 PM
#277
I thought OP fanboys are the worst fans ever, but Gintama fanboys are even worst. |
Dec 30, 2013 3:02 PM
#278
FMAB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gintama |
Dec 30, 2013 3:03 PM
#279
yukikenzo said: DoN-Anas7 said: Anything related to Gintama on this website is OVERRATED! i mean come on, all the gintama 3 series are on the top 10 ranking! and this movie is #2 .. and it was #1 yesterday. no way in hell this movie would be any better than FMA:B NO WAAAAY! What he said. I just gave Gintama a 3 Rating, so you kids can be happy. But in my opinion the series is far overrated. I mean come on, you're just pushing the score up just because you like it. Did you ever consider watching Steins;Gate, SnK, FMA:B and so on? I for myself rated them 10 because they have a brilliant story, good art and superb OST. But thats just my opinion, not yours. So live with it instead of crying 'He voted them others 10 and Gintama 1 *cry baby cry*' Lol at the Gintama fanboys attacking you on your profile. seriously ? it's his fucking opinion you little kids! |
Dec 30, 2013 3:04 PM
#280
yukikenzo said: The hell did i just read?DoN-Anas7 said: Anything related to Gintama on this website is OVERRATED! i mean come on, all the gintama 3 series are on the top 10 ranking! and this movie is #2 .. and it was #1 yesterday. no way in hell this movie would be any better than FMA:B NO WAAAAY! What he said. I just gave Gintama a 3 Rating, so you kids can be happy. But in my opinion the series is far overrated. I mean come on, you're just pushing the score up just because you like it. Did you ever consider watching Steins;Gate, SnK, FMA:B and so on? I for myself rated them 10 because they have a brilliant story, good art and superb OST. But thats just my opinion, not yours. So live with it instead of crying 'He voted them others 10 and Gintama 1 *cry baby cry*' everyone has watched steins and FMA: B, they are 2 of the most viewed shows on the site, iv seen both, Steins is a 8/10 for having a strong cast and well thought out story but is held back from poor pacing and a lack of pay off on a few plotpoints while others are delivered some were not, and FMA: B is borderline a masterpiece held back by its finale that relies heavily on plot armor as well as a lack of development for many characters that desperately need it especially when compared to its 2003 predecessor which dedicated a large part of its story to making the characters grow outside of their initial mold. And you cant pull the "its my opinion" thing when your insulting all those that dont agree with you, opinions arent automatically safe anyhow its possible for them to be wrong, its all about how you justify them |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Dec 30, 2013 3:05 PM
#281
DoN-Anas7 said: but Gintama fanboys are even worst. >no way in hell this movie would be any better than FMA:B >hasn't even seen the movie That is some crazy shit right there. |
an egomaniac and a fool |
Dec 30, 2013 3:09 PM
#282
Emnay said: emnay your just butthurt ok, why cant you realize its perfectly ok to shit talk an entire fanbase as well as insult them directly as people but the second they say anything back they are automatically the ones in the wrongDoN-Anas7 said: but Gintama fanboys are even worst. >no way in hell this movie would be any better than FMA:B >hasn't even seen the movie That is some crazy shit right there. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Dec 30, 2013 3:12 PM
#283
DoN-Anas7 said: FMAB > Gintama Objectively this is probably correct however I get more enjoyment from watching Gintama so I think it's better. NotJizzyHitler said: yukikenzo said: The hell did i just read?DoN-Anas7 said: Anything related to Gintama on this website is OVERRATED! i mean come on, all the gintama 3 series are on the top 10 ranking! and this movie is #2 .. and it was #1 yesterday. no way in hell this movie would be any better than FMA:B NO WAAAAY! What he said. I just gave Gintama a 3 Rating, so you kids can be happy. But in my opinion the series is far overrated. I mean come on, you're just pushing the score up just because you like it. Did you ever consider watching Steins;Gate, SnK, FMA:B and so on? I for myself rated them 10 because they have a brilliant story, good art and superb OST. But thats just my opinion, not yours. So live with it instead of crying 'He voted them others 10 and Gintama 1 *cry baby cry*' everyone has watched steins and FMA: B, they are 2 of the most viewed shows on the site, iv seen both, Steins is a 8/10 for having a strong cast and well thought out story but is held back from poor pacing and a lack of pay off on a few plotpoints while others are delivered some were not, and FMA: B is borderline a masterpiece held back by its finale that relies heavily on plot armor as well as a lack of development for many characters that desperately need it especially when compared to its 2003 predecessor which dedicated a large part of its story to making the characters grow outside of their initial mold. And you cant pull the "its my opinion" thing when your insulting all those that dont agree with you, opinions arent automatically safe anyhow its possible for them to be wrong, its all about how you justify them @yukihenzo: Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and sometimes, in this case yours, they stink. |
Dec 30, 2013 3:27 PM
#284
Big_Worm said: DoN-Anas7 said: FMAB > Gintama Objectively this is probably correct however I get more enjoyment from watching Gintama so I think it's better. no just no You should know the meaning of words before you use them. |
Dec 30, 2013 3:30 PM
#285
tsudecimo said: Big_Worm said: DoN-Anas7 said: FMAB > Gintama Objectively this is probably correct however I get more enjoyment from watching Gintama so I think it's better. no just no You should know the meaning of words before you use them. Objective: uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices Correct: "right, as in right or wrong" pretty self explanatory |
Dec 30, 2013 3:48 PM
#286
Dec 30, 2013 3:51 PM
#287
HaXXspetten said: "I mean come on, you're just pushing the score up just because you like it." has to be one of the best arguments as to why something is overrated I've heard in quite some time Rating something high because I like it, why haven't I thought of that before? |
Dec 30, 2013 3:55 PM
#288
Big_Worm said: tsudecimo said: Big_Worm said: DoN-Anas7 said: FMAB > Gintama Objectively this is probably correct however I get more enjoyment from watching Gintama so I think it's better. no just no You should know the meaning of words before you use them. Objective: uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices Correct: "right, as in right or wrong" pretty self explanatory tsudecimo said: Saying it's one of the best is subjective, saying it's good is subjective and saying it's bad is subjective. The only objective things are the summary, the information about the characters, the cost of productions, the attributes of the characters and other factual things relating to the show. ob·jec·tive (b-jktv) adj. 1. Of or having to do with a material object. 2. Having actual existence or reality. 3. a. Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices b. Based on observable phenomena; presented factually: an objective appraisal. Objectivity is a central philosophical concept, related to reality and truth, which has been variously defined by sources. Generally, objectivity means the state or quality of being true even outside of a subject's individual biases, interpretations, feelings, and imaginings. A proposition is generally considered objectively true (to have objective truth) when its truth conditions are met and are "mind-independent"—that is, existing freely or independently from a mind (from the thoughts, feelings, ideas, etc. of a sentient subject). And I doubt you will read the following but it might make you understand more A) Objective writing B) Objective animation C) Not everything is subjective let's debunk one at a time, but first establish what objective means or people will get confused. Objective means "inherent of the Object". Let's take a object: Water. Water above 0°C on normal pressure is liquid. It's the inherent property of water. Water below 0°C on normal pressure is solid. Everyone can test this, just pick up a piece of ice, it is solid. Water above 100°C is gas. People everywhere can test these things. There are no interpretations or opinions needed on this. These are inherent objective properties of water. Subjective means what a Subject (aka a MIND) interprets into these objective facts. "Icewater is good because you can ice skate on it" Is an subjective interpretation of an objective fact. Yes it is objectivity right that you can ice skate on solid water. but whether that is a good or bad thing is subjective, a mind created the value, or the subjective property of "goodness" for the solid water. Values are by definition subjective. So whatever purpose you see in an objective is always a subjective interpretation. The only way you can make values objective is within a framework, with a predefined purpose. Poison is by definition just poisonous, neither good or bad. Drinking poison therefor has no objective meaning. It will simply kill you. That is an objective fact. A person who wants to live (subjective framework = staying alive) is doing a mistake by drinking deadly poison. Hence, poison is bad. A person who wants to die (subjective framework = being dead) is doing the right thing by drinking deadly poison. Hence, poison is good. Let's apply this method to reviewing. "Objective" good writing. It is true that humanity came up with ways to tell a story and that our brain reacts to certain stimuli better than to others. But let's not forget every brain (mind) is different and has different values. We already see the framework. Mind Values Subjective things. Humans are by definition subjective when they judge. Depending on your culture, upbringing, education and personal experiences your value will be different to that of another person. That means there must be a form of writing that applies to all brains equally, like we can all identify liquid water and solid water. But that's not the case because the writing of a story is not objective. There are parts of it that are objective, but whether our subjective brains are stimulated by them or not can not be guarantied. However long humanity defined the way they tell stories, in the end it is just as subjective as taste in music, or art. Only under a framework we can talk about objectivity. A Hentai without sex is clearly a bad hentai because it defies it's own definition (framework). A show that aims to have no fanservice and yet offers plenty of nipple scenes and boobgrabs fails and thus defied it's own framework and hence is objectively bad. Yet fanservice in it self is neither good or bad. So are stories. A) has plotholes B) offers no clear ending C) is slow These are all objective facts, but how you interpret them is dependent not only on the given framework, but also on your values. Since all these frameworks are equally valid because no one can prove their objective purpose it's a matter of personal taste what you like and what not. Objective Animation Quality One might question if not animation can be stated in facts. No it cannot, for the same reason. There is always a subjective framework. We might see mistakes, or see how one show makes it more fluid, or more correct. But those things are all based on the assumption that there is an objective purpose. Yes under that framework animation quality can be good or bad, and we all use it. But since we gain new information every time our standards change. A kid who only watched pokemon might think this is totally fine, while someone who watched GitS thinks it's the worst shit ever (in animation). Our minds are by definition subjective, thus whatever we judge is only as valid as the information we had at that given time. It is limited and not complete, it relies on preconceived notions on how things ought to be. All artificial rules created by humanity. If reviews are objective then the purpose of Mountains is to climb them, because that's what people do. Just because fact A is true (you can climb mountains) you cannot say "therefor B is the right thing" (mountains are for climbing). tl;dr You cannot derive and IS from an OUGHT. How anime is supposed to be is based on the individual giving the framework in which the medium is judged. Every human being has a different framework thus, every judgement is inherently different => subjective. Things are just. We give them value based on our subjective minds that seek meaning. Things that come from a mind are subjective, because a SUBJECT is projecting them onto objects. Like Values, Meaning, Purpose and Morals. |
Dec 30, 2013 4:00 PM
#289
yukikenzo said: I have seen Steins;Gate and SnK. Would still rate Gintama movie a 10/10. I just gave Gintama a 3 Rating, so you kids can be happy. But in my opinion the series is far overrated. I mean come on, you're just pushing the score up just because you like it. Did you ever consider watching Steins;Gate, SnK, FMA:B and so on? I for myself rated them 10 because they have a brilliant story, good art and superb OST. But thats just my opinion, not yours. So live with it instead of crying 'He voted them others 10 and Gintama 1 *cry baby cry*' "Argument" is invalid. |
Dec 30, 2013 4:03 PM
#290
Oh c'mon... Every single person has it's own opinion about certain animes. I have to admit that at first I watched Gintama because of its high rank. But after several hundreds of episodes it was already not a case. It's humour, it's charachters improved my life. I love this animation a lot. And now I'm commenting on this post and saying that this movie is one of the best things that I have watched. And who will tell me to think differently? Gintama already has 130 000 members on MAL. Its average score is 9.05. It is scored by 43791 users. These numbers are real and shows, that people really loves Gintama and it is worth every point of it's evaluation. Good day to you all :) |
Dec 30, 2013 4:06 PM
#291
tsudecimo said: Big_Worm said: tsudecimo said: Big_Worm said: DoN-Anas7 said: FMAB > Gintama Objectively this is probably correct however I get more enjoyment from watching Gintama so I think it's better. no just no You should know the meaning of words before you use them. Objective: uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices Correct: "right, as in right or wrong" pretty self explanatory tsudecimo said: Saying it's one of the best is subjective, saying it's good is subjective and saying it's bad is subjective. The only objective things are the summary, the information about the characters, the cost of productions, the attributes of the characters and other factual things relating to the show. ob·jec·tive (b-jktv) adj. 1. Of or having to do with a material object. 2. Having actual existence or reality. 3. a. Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices b. Based on observable phenomena; presented factually: an objective appraisal. Objectivity is a central philosophical concept, related to reality and truth, which has been variously defined by sources. Generally, objectivity means the state or quality of being true even outside of a subject's individual biases, interpretations, feelings, and imaginings. A proposition is generally considered objectively true (to have objective truth) when its truth conditions are met and are "mind-independent"—that is, existing freely or independently from a mind (from the thoughts, feelings, ideas, etc. of a sentient subject). And I doubt you will read the following but it might make you understand more A) Objective writing B) Objective animation C) Not everything is subjective let's debunk one at a time, but first establish what objective means or people will get confused. Objective means "inherent of the Object". Let's take a object: Water. Water above 0°C on normal pressure is liquid. It's the inherent property of water. Water below 0°C on normal pressure is solid. Everyone can test this, just pick up a piece of ice, it is solid. Water above 100°C is gas. People everywhere can test these things. There are no interpretations or opinions needed on this. These are inherent objective properties of water. Subjective means what a Subject (aka a MIND) interprets into these objective facts. "Icewater is good because you can ice skate on it" Is an subjective interpretation of an objective fact. Yes it is objectivity right that you can ice skate on solid water. but whether that is a good or bad thing is subjective, a mind created the value, or the subjective property of "goodness" for the solid water. Values are by definition subjective. So whatever purpose you see in an objective is always a subjective interpretation. The only way you can make values objective is within a framework, with a predefined purpose. Poison is by definition just poisonous, neither good or bad. Drinking poison therefor has no objective meaning. It will simply kill you. That is an objective fact. A person who wants to live (subjective framework = staying alive) is doing a mistake by drinking deadly poison. Hence, poison is bad. A person who wants to die (subjective framework = being dead) is doing the right thing by drinking deadly poison. Hence, poison is good. Let's apply this method to reviewing. "Objective" good writing. It is true that humanity came up with ways to tell a story and that our brain reacts to certain stimuli better than to others. But let's not forget every brain (mind) is different and has different values. We already see the framework. Mind Values Subjective things. Humans are by definition subjective when they judge. Depending on your culture, upbringing, education and personal experiences your value will be different to that of another person. That means there must be a form of writing that applies to all brains equally, like we can all identify liquid water and solid water. But that's not the case because the writing of a story is not objective. There are parts of it that are objective, but whether our subjective brains are stimulated by them or not can not be guarantied. However long humanity defined the way they tell stories, in the end it is just as subjective as taste in music, or art. Only under a framework we can talk about objectivity. A Hentai without sex is clearly a bad hentai because it defies it's own definition (framework). A show that aims to have no fanservice and yet offers plenty of nipple scenes and boobgrabs fails and thus defied it's own framework and hence is objectively bad. Yet fanservice in it self is neither good or bad. So are stories. A) has plotholes B) offers no clear ending C) is slow These are all objective facts, but how you interpret them is dependent not only on the given framework, but also on your values. Since all these frameworks are equally valid because no one can prove their objective purpose it's a matter of personal taste what you like and what not. Objective Animation Quality One might question if not animation can be stated in facts. No it cannot, for the same reason. There is always a subjective framework. We might see mistakes, or see how one show makes it more fluid, or more correct. But those things are all based on the assumption that there is an objective purpose. Yes under that framework animation quality can be good or bad, and we all use it. But since we gain new information every time our standards change. A kid who only watched pokemon might think this is totally fine, while someone who watched GitS thinks it's the worst shit ever (in animation). Our minds are by definition subjective, thus whatever we judge is only as valid as the information we had at that given time. It is limited and not complete, it relies on preconceived notions on how things ought to be. All artificial rules created by humanity. If reviews are objective then the purpose of Mountains is to climb them, because that's what people do. Just because fact A is true (you can climb mountains) you cannot say "therefor B is the right thing" (mountains are for climbing). tl;dr You cannot derive and IS from an OUGHT. How anime is supposed to be is based on the individual giving the framework in which the medium is judged. Every human being has a different framework thus, every judgement is inherently different => subjective. Things are just. We give them value based on our subjective minds that seek meaning. Things that come from a mind are subjective, because a SUBJECT is projecting them onto objects. Like Values, Meaning, Purpose and Morals. You must be real fun at parties. I understand the philosophy behind it and your reasoning but it's a choice in diction that I used to prove a point. If you want to take it to that level then it becomes tedious and difficult to validate an argument. |
Dec 30, 2013 4:46 PM
#292
Standard Gintama Fanbase -> They know what they are watching Standard Gintama Hatebase -> Don't know shit what they are watching At least Gintama Fanbase is somewhat "okay" |
Dec 30, 2013 4:46 PM
#293
No matter what the others think Solid 10/10 for the movie from me |
Dec 30, 2013 4:49 PM
#294
Kidele said: Standard Gintama Fanbase -> They know what they are watching Standard Gintama Hatebase -> Don't know shit what they are watching At least Gintama Fanbase is somewhat "okay" I'm perfectly fine with someone disliking this series even though I'm a big fan of it. That is, if they actually managed to watch more than just a few episodes. It irritates me when people hate on this series (or any series for that matter) when they haven't even watched it yet. |
Dec 30, 2013 4:53 PM
#295
Kidele said: gintama generally has a better ganbase than youd expect for something really beloved, but like all fanbases there are some people that just make them look like a awful fanbase, case and pointStandard Gintama Fanbase -> They know what they are watching Standard Gintama Hatebase -> Don't know shit what they are watching At least Gintama Fanbase is somewhat "okay" Warning if you have had the privileged of not seeing tokiyashiro's comment and currently have not lost hope in humanity then do not read the spoiler tokiyashiro said: Wow clearly those who are down voting this Movie has no idea what Gintama is. Too bad your Naruto or Bleach got shot down so hard. For those who are saying this will go down like how Shingeki no Kyoujin did, please use your brains. Shingeki was at Rank 6 at that time, but it only had half the episode on its first season. So people will still change their mind on their ranking. And this movie has only one episode, therefor only 5% or less people who overall ranked this movie will change their mind. Why are you haters giving too many reasons that this doesn't deserve or this ranking is not fair. Lol, too many Naruto fanboys got butthurt i guess?. And this ranking is not about how popular the show is, this is about the QUALITY of the SHOW and not QUANTITY. One Piece Film Z is about 100k+ members and it's ranked down to 35. Gezzuz this people. Making MAL community look bad. yah people like him kind of fuck up the balance, but still gintama's fans teand to not be as obnoxious as you expect them to be all things considered, not just saying this cause im a part of their fanbase cause trust me I lose my shit on certain fanbases im a part of like final fantasy and clannad fans when they get obnoxious, really all fanbases seems better when compared to FF fans SolBlade said: When someone gives gintama a fair shot and dislike it, thats fine, thats why i always warn people about the start to let them know to have some patience cause even die hard fans disliked it at the start, its alot to ask but making it about 25-30 episodes before dropping is a fair enough spot to stop if its not your thing, sure theres still a chance they would like it if they move on but chances are slim at that whilst not enjoying it is only all the more likleyKidele said: Standard Gintama Fanbase -> They know what they are watching Standard Gintama Hatebase -> Don't know shit what they are watching At least Gintama Fanbase is somewhat "okay" I'm perfectly fine with someone disliking this series even though I'm a big fan of it. That is, if they actually managed to watch more than just a few episodes. It irritates me when people hate on this series (or any series for that matter) when they haven't even watched it yet. SolBlade said: Kidele said: Standard Gintama Fanbase -> They know what they are watching Standard Gintama Hatebase -> Don't know shit what they are watching At least Gintama Fanbase is somewhat "okay" I'm perfectly fine with someone disliking this series even though I'm a big fan of it. That is, if they actually managed to watch more than just a few episodes. It irritates me when people hate on this series (or any series for that matter) when they haven't even watched it yet. gintama isnt for everyone, some fans somehow cant get this through their skull, like the painful comment i have quoted in the spoiler above |
JizzyHitlerDec 30, 2013 4:58 PM
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Dec 30, 2013 4:54 PM
#296
SolBlade said: I'm perfectly fine with someone disliking this series even though I'm a big fan of it. That is, if they actually managed to watch more than just a few episodes. It irritates me when people hate on this series (or any series for that matter) when they haven't even watched it yet. Kinda true. Most of the hatebase only seen a few episodes and immediately hates it. Others seen over 50eps and still hated it. Go the far and beyond and they love it. Like my friends. They bashed Gintama and so did I since it was highly rated but we never saw it. Watched it...GG we were wrong. |
Dec 30, 2013 5:01 PM
#297
NotJizzyHitler said: Kidele said: gintama generally has a better ganbase than youd expect for something really beloved, but like all fanbases there are some people that just make them look like a awful fanbase, case and pointStandard Gintama Fanbase -> They know what they are watching Standard Gintama Hatebase -> Don't know shit what they are watching At least Gintama Fanbase is somewhat "okay" Warning if you have had the privileged of not seeing tokiyashiro's comment and currently have not lost hope in humanity then do not read the spoiler tokiyashiro said: Wow clearly those who are down voting this Movie has no idea what Gintama is. Too bad your Naruto or Bleach got shot down so hard. For those who are saying this will go down like how Shingeki no Kyoujin did, please use your brains. Shingeki was at Rank 6 at that time, but it only had half the episode on its first season. So people will still change their mind on their ranking. And this movie has only one episode, therefor only 5% or less people who overall ranked this movie will change their mind. Why are you haters giving too many reasons that this doesn't deserve or this ranking is not fair. Lol, too many Naruto fanboys got butthurt i guess?. And this ranking is not about how popular the show is, this is about the QUALITY of the SHOW and not QUANTITY. One Piece Film Z is about 100k+ members and it's ranked down to 35. Gezzuz this people. Making MAL community look bad. yah people like him kind of fuck up the balance, but still gintama's fans teand to not be as obnoxious as you expect them to be all things considered, not just saying this cause im a part of their fanbase cause trust me I lose my shit on certain fanbases im a part of like final fantasy and clannad fans when they get obnoxious, really all fanbases seems better when compared to FF fans SolBlade said: When someone gives gintama a fair shot and dislike it, thats fine, thats why i always warn people about the start to let them know to have some patience cause even die hard fans disliked it at the start, its alot to ask but making it about 25-30 episodes before dropping is a fair enough spot to stop if its not your thing, sure theres still a chance they would like it if they move on but chances are slim at that whilst not enjoying it is only all the more likleyKidele said: Standard Gintama Fanbase -> They know what they are watching Standard Gintama Hatebase -> Don't know shit what they are watching At least Gintama Fanbase is somewhat "okay" I'm perfectly fine with someone disliking this series even though I'm a big fan of it. That is, if they actually managed to watch more than just a few episodes. It irritates me when people hate on this series (or any series for that matter) when they haven't even watched it yet. SolBlade said: Kidele said: Standard Gintama Fanbase -> They know what they are watching Standard Gintama Hatebase -> Don't know shit what they are watching At least Gintama Fanbase is somewhat "okay" I'm perfectly fine with someone disliking this series even though I'm a big fan of it. That is, if they actually managed to watch more than just a few episodes. It irritates me when people hate on this series (or any series for that matter) when they haven't even watched it yet. -Double Posting- Editing Quotes are a pain. That post you quoted is rather overexaggerated. I guess the destruction of a "good" fanbase would probably be done by hardcore/over-the-top fanboys. The facepalmness of that spoiler tag is just "Oh shit" That's kind of true. I was about to drop around the 20s coz it was boring. Turns out, the series kicked in for me at Episode 25. So far, the people I met tends to drop the episode by the first 3 - 5. |
Dec 30, 2013 5:07 PM
#298
Kidele said: the first ep i enjoyed was the panty thief one and the ghost one, even then there was really REALLY bad episodes past that, the 1st season of gintama (1-50) is without a doubt the worst one.NotJizzyHitler said: Kidele said: gintama generally has a better ganbase than youd expect for something really beloved, but like all fanbases there are some people that just make them look like a awful fanbase, case and pointStandard Gintama Fanbase -> They know what they are watching Standard Gintama Hatebase -> Don't know shit what they are watching At least Gintama Fanbase is somewhat "okay" Warning if you have had the privileged of not seeing tokiyashiro's comment and currently have not lost hope in humanity then do not read the spoiler tokiyashiro said: Wow clearly those who are down voting this Movie has no idea what Gintama is. Too bad your Naruto or Bleach got shot down so hard. For those who are saying this will go down like how Shingeki no Kyoujin did, please use your brains. Shingeki was at Rank 6 at that time, but it only had half the episode on its first season. So people will still change their mind on their ranking. And this movie has only one episode, therefor only 5% or less people who overall ranked this movie will change their mind. Why are you haters giving too many reasons that this doesn't deserve or this ranking is not fair. Lol, too many Naruto fanboys got butthurt i guess?. And this ranking is not about how popular the show is, this is about the QUALITY of the SHOW and not QUANTITY. One Piece Film Z is about 100k+ members and it's ranked down to 35. Gezzuz this people. Making MAL community look bad. yah people like him kind of fuck up the balance, but still gintama's fans teand to not be as obnoxious as you expect them to be all things considered, not just saying this cause im a part of their fanbase cause trust me I lose my shit on certain fanbases im a part of like final fantasy and clannad fans when they get obnoxious, really all fanbases seems better when compared to FF fans SolBlade said: When someone gives gintama a fair shot and dislike it, thats fine, thats why i always warn people about the start to let them know to have some patience cause even die hard fans disliked it at the start, its alot to ask but making it about 25-30 episodes before dropping is a fair enough spot to stop if its not your thing, sure theres still a chance they would like it if they move on but chances are slim at that whilst not enjoying it is only all the more likleyKidele said: Standard Gintama Fanbase -> They know what they are watching Standard Gintama Hatebase -> Don't know shit what they are watching At least Gintama Fanbase is somewhat "okay" I'm perfectly fine with someone disliking this series even though I'm a big fan of it. That is, if they actually managed to watch more than just a few episodes. It irritates me when people hate on this series (or any series for that matter) when they haven't even watched it yet. SolBlade said: Kidele said: Standard Gintama Fanbase -> They know what they are watching Standard Gintama Hatebase -> Don't know shit what they are watching At least Gintama Fanbase is somewhat "okay" I'm perfectly fine with someone disliking this series even though I'm a big fan of it. That is, if they actually managed to watch more than just a few episodes. It irritates me when people hate on this series (or any series for that matter) when they haven't even watched it yet. -Double Posting- Editing Quotes are a pain. That post you quoted is rather overexaggerated. I guess the destruction of a "good" fanbase would probably be done by hardcore/over-the-top fanboys. The facepalmness of that spoiler tag is just "Oh shit" That's kind of true. I was about to drop around the 20s coz it was boring. Turns out, the series kicked in for me at Episode 25. So far, the people I met tends to drop the episode by the first 3 - 5. Though good adivce to give new time watchers is to just skip the first 2 episodes, they bring nothing to the show but giving you a false introduction to the characters that aside from elizibeth arent even remotely good, granted that Elizabeth joke is like the only chuckle i got out of the first 18 episodes but still its better to start from episode 3 and go from there so you can actually meet kagura and shinpachi like your suppossed to |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Dec 30, 2013 5:12 PM
#299
NotJizzyHitler said: gintama generally has a better ganbase than youd expect for something really beloved, but like all fanbases there are some people that just make them look like a awful fanbase, case and point yah people like him kind of fuck up the balance, but still gintama's fans tend to not be as obnoxious as you expect them to be all things considered, not just saying this cause im a part of their fanbase cause trust me I lose my shit on certain fanbases im a part of like final fantasy and clannad fans when they get obnoxious, really all fanbases seems better when compared to FF fans Gintama fans aren't really all that bad from my experience. The fanbase is small compared to most other "popular" anime but we're a dedicated group. Even then, most die hard fans will admit that the earlier episodes aren't that good compared to the rest of the series. Clannad fans can be pretty extreme at times but most are rational though some will jump at me when I tell them that the ending ruined things for me even though I liked the series as a whole. That's true... ugh, the FF fanbase. Even though I really like the games some fans can be pretty obnoxious, especially those who can't get past the supposed "Golden Age". Kidele said: SolBlade said: I'm perfectly fine with someone disliking this series even though I'm a big fan of it. That is, if they actually managed to watch more than just a few episodes. It irritates me when people hate on this series (or any series for that matter) when they haven't even watched it yet. Kinda true. Most of the hatebase only seen a few episodes and immediately hates it. Others seen over 50eps and still hated it. Go the far and beyond and they love it. Like my friends. They bashed Gintama and so did I since it was highly rated but we never saw it. Watched it...GG we were wrong. I had a friend who was just like that. He didn't like the series due to it's popularity here but I finally managed to get him to watch it. Once he got to around episode 20 he was hooked and it's one of his favorite anime of all time. Now I have someone to talk to IRL about Gintama~ |
Dec 30, 2013 5:25 PM
#300
SolBlade said: oh my god i know right, whats so bad about they they will rag on one of the newer isntallments for something thats prevalent in many of the older "classics" as well, but they get a pass because nostalgia. And the ones that really hate the newer games more times thna not defend some really bad games, i cannot believe how many people reccomended white knight chronicles when they claimed FF was going down the shitter, if you ahvent played white knight chronicles DONT, its a 16 hour repetitive mess where you fight the same 4 enemies reskined and the entire plot consists of a bunch of dipshits trying to rescue a princess, fucking up due to their own incompetence, and have the most obvious betrayal in the worldNotJizzyHitler said: gintama generally has a better ganbase than youd expect for something really beloved, but like all fanbases there are some people that just make them look like a awful fanbase, case and point yah people like him kind of fuck up the balance, but still gintama's fans tend to not be as obnoxious as you expect them to be all things considered, not just saying this cause im a part of their fanbase cause trust me I lose my shit on certain fanbases im a part of like final fantasy and clannad fans when they get obnoxious, really all fanbases seems better when compared to FF fans Gintama fans aren't really all that bad from my experience. The fanbase is small compared to most other "popular" anime but we're a dedicated group. Even then, most die hard fans will admit that the earlier episodes aren't that good compared to the rest of the series. Clannad fans can be pretty extreme at times but most are rational though some will jump at me when I tell them that the ending ruined things for me even though I liked the series as a whole. That's true... ugh, the FF fanbase. Even though I really like the games some fans can be pretty obnoxious, especially those who can't get past the supposed "Golden Age". Theres a black knight villain character that is revealed to be one of your party members, guess what its the one party member that always disappears when the black knight shows up, AND NO ONE FIGURED IT OUT also they rip off the orphanage twist from FF8, i shit you not its revealed near the end that they all coincidentally knew eachother as children and held strong bonds with one another, they all just FORGOT because REASONS, and they all coincidently run into one another on their quest because why the fuck not |
JizzyHitlerDec 30, 2013 5:32 PM
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
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