| this is probably stupid to ask but wouldn't hentai and ecchi anime be considered illegal because they have sexual images of minors. |
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HaXXspettenNov 30, 2013 3:23 PM
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| I suppose loli/shota hentai would fall under the child pornography law here (Germany). But it's sort of a legal grey zone. In the end nobody really cares about hentai so people won't get prosecuted. |
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| unless they used a real minor as a reference it is perfectly legal because it is just a series of drawings. |
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| Nope. Hell, lolicon is even legal in many western countries, including the US, most states in Australia, Denmark, Switzerland, Finland, etc... Why would any sane country ever try and throw people in prison drawings? Lets ask the Liberal Democratic Party of Japan, who is trying to do just that! |
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mattbenz99 said: unless they used a real minor as a reference it is perfectly legal because it is just a series of drawings. Never be so quick with a generalisation about all western countries. The laws on childhood pornography are very vague in enough countries and there are more than enough judges living way too far in the past. I take the example of Germany where the law about childhood pornography is too wildly open for interpretation ( http://dejure.org/gesetze/StGB/184b.html ). Under "Schriften" you could include: real photos/videos but also drawings/animations. It also states in the law that it only has to be close/similar to reality. It may not be really enforced but better stay safe and avoid lolicon and anything with characters under 14 which would really represent an offence. The stuff with characters over 14 should be gray. To be safe I don't order anything ecchi outside Europe to spare me more trouble with the customs. |
| As far as I am aware it needs to specifically state the age of the characters. Since these animes/hentai are fiction and take place in unreal worlds with people who are not real, unless age is specified, middle schoolers or high scholers in that world might be 18. Loop holes are loop holes. Obviously if said character is very blatantly written/drawn as a child, then that wont work. |
AwakezzzNov 30, 2013 3:10 PM
Awakezzz said: As far as I am aware it needs to specifically state the age of the characters. Since these animes/hentai are fiction and take place in unreal worlds with people who are not real, unless age is specified, middle schoolers or high scholers in that world might be 18. Loop holes are loop holes. Obviously if said character is very blatantly written/drawn as a child, then that wont work. I remember the first time I had my eroge that had middle schoolers aged 18. |
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| They are on a index but thats different from beeing illegal There are a few countries with laws but most of the western countries allow any sort of "art" |
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Yzeelb said: mattbenz99 said: unless they used a real minor as a reference it is perfectly legal because it is just a series of drawings. Never be so quick with a generalisation about all western countries. The laws on childhood pornography are very vague in enough countries and there are more than enough judges living way too far in the past. I take the example of Germany where the law about childhood pornography is too wildly open for interpretation ( http://dejure.org/gesetze/StGB/184b.html ). Under "Schriften" you could include: real photos/videos but also drawings/animations. It also states in the law that it only has to be close/similar to reality. It may not be really enforced but better stay safe and avoid lolicon and anything with characters under 14 which would really represent an offence. The stuff with characters over 14 should be gray. To be safe I don't order anything ecchi outside Europe to spare me more trouble with the customs. that is stupid. child pornography laws are made to protect children but a drawing dont harm them. |
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mattbenz99 said: that is stupid. child pornography laws are made to protect children but a drawing dont harm them. Well there are many stupid laws in order to "protect" something... But only because they are stupid doesn't mean that they aren't valid. I am sure that many persons say that the prohibition of prostitution in most parts of the US is stupid while in large parts of Europe it's a recognized legal profession. Correct me if I am wrong but I think that the US even apply the law and arrest the clients. The fact that drawings are not "harming" the children is also a question of point of view. There are enough people/groups who will argue that by legal access to lolicon stuff some viewers might get pedophile and start molesting real children. |
| The reason why lolicon hentai is safe is probably because the fatasses in the governments don't know about it. You can gather alot of votes by pretending to "protect the children", if they knew some politicians would have surely put banning it on their agenda already. |
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Yzeelb said: mattbenz99 said: that is stupid. child pornography laws are made to protect children but a drawing dont harm them. Well there are many stupid laws in order to "protect" something... But only because they are stupid doesn't mean that they aren't valid. I am sure that many persons say that the prohibition of prostitution in most parts of the US is stupid while in large parts of Europe it's a recognized legal profession. Correct me if I am wrong but I think that the US even apply the law and arrest the clients. The fact that drawings are not "harming" the children is also a question of point of view. There are enough people/groups who will argue that by legal access to lolicon stuff some viewers might get pedophile and start molesting real children. there has been studies coming out that prove that access to pornography lowers the amount of rape. for example in the last 15 years in america pornography has been more and more accessible and since then rape has decreased by 30%. yes correlation does not equal causation but it is still very telling and you got to think if someone could get the same amount of pleasure at home from watching porn as they would get raping someone just without all the negatives of rape it might influence them not to rape. |
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emeraldrosary said: Shiratori99 said: It's because the people don't care enough about it. If politicians thought banning lolicon hentai would get them more votes/popularity they probably would. The reason why lolicon hentai is safe is probably because the fatasses in the governments don't know about it. You can gather alot of votes by pretending to "protect the children", if they knew some politicians would have surely put banning it on their agenda already. Well I'm pretty sure if they would air some excerpts from lolicon hentai in the news on TV it would cause an outrage. Most people see red when it comes to them pedos. |
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emeraldrosary said: Shiratori99 said: Absolutely right. I think that's the root problem. The news gives us all kinds of bad information like violent murders, sex offenders, etc. but it never touches upon issues like loli hentai so the the masses are largely unaware that it even exists.emeraldrosary said: Shiratori99 said: It's because the people don't care enough about it. If politicians thought banning lolicon hentai would get them more votes/popularity they probably would. The reason why lolicon hentai is safe is probably because the fatasses in the governments don't know about it. You can gather alot of votes by pretending to "protect the children", if they knew some politicians would have surely put banning it on their agenda already. Well I'm pretty sure if they would air some excerpts from lolicon hentai in the news on TV it would cause an outrage. Most people see red when it comes to them pedos. Somewhen the time will come when the police will arrest some child rapist and find lolicon hentai on his PC. That's how the persecution will start. |
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| Nope, not real minors. |
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Shiratori99 said: emeraldrosary said: Shiratori99 said: Absolutely right. I think that's the root problem. The news gives us all kinds of bad information like violent murders, sex offenders, etc. but it never touches upon issues like loli hentai so the the masses are largely unaware that it even exists.emeraldrosary said: Shiratori99 said: It's because the people don't care enough about it. If politicians thought banning lolicon hentai would get them more votes/popularity they probably would. The reason why lolicon hentai is safe is probably because the fatasses in the governments don't know about it. You can gather alot of votes by pretending to "protect the children", if they knew some politicians would have surely put banning it on their agenda already. Well I'm pretty sure if they would air some excerpts from lolicon hentai in the news on TV it would cause an outrage. Most people see red when it comes to them pedos. Somewhen the time will come when the police will arrest some child rapist and find lolicon hentai on his PC. That's how the persecution will start. i think that is how jailbait started being hated but i am not very knowledgeable about the history of jailbait so i may be wrong |
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vithyansiva said: this is probably stupid to ask but wouldn't hentai and ecchi anime be considered illegal because they have sexual images of minors. No Example: http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/2278/ydzu.png Also Lmao Amazon |
Jamie33 said: It's anime, not real life. If they want to ban hentai then they might as well ban all real porn. They already banned all real child porn. |
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Jamie33 said: This thread wasn't originally only about lolis, I was talking about in general. Well the thread is about "sexual images of minors" in hentai/ecchi. There probably is no problem with hentai featuring adults in countries where "traditional" pornography is allowed. So talking about hentai in general won't be of any help to the starter of the thread. Lolis are only the most controversial part. In nearly every ecchi I have seen all the protagonists in said situations are clearly under 18 even if they have the body measurements of an adult. All this is the concern of this issue. |
| Basic processual economy means there's no chance any authorities are going to waste time and money on a case solely because of some offensive fantasy material. Barring if they are bribed or influenced by religious nutjobs or some other moralfags of course. And all cases I remember hearing of where anyone has been accused of having loli hentai has been when this is only a part of the charge and the initial focus has been either real CP or something. |
| Rather than share opinion between people who think they know what the laws are, how about basing it on the considered opinion of one organization that works to defend your rights once you've been arrested for possessing hentai or ecchi materials: http://cbldf.org/2013/10/faq-graphic-sex-comics-controversial-content-and-crossing-the-border/ People should perhaps read this before posting. |
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| Ecchi is never banned in Western countries... Neither is hentai, but it's noted that America no longer imports hentai, so no more uncensored stuff :( Also, 2D ≠ 3D. |
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rodac said: Dammit Canada! Good thing I'm not into lolis or hentai.Rather than share opinion between people who think they know what the laws are, how about basing it on the considered opinion of one organization that works to defend your rights once you've been arrested for possessing hentai or ecchi materials: http://cbldf.org/2013/10/faq-graphic-sex-comics-controversial-content-and-crossing-the-border/ |
| I don't know how it works in other countries but, in Canada, any depiction of a minor in a sexual manner, whether real or drawn, is illegal. There was even a big brouhaha about ten years back where a former child abuse victim was arrested for making drawings of their experiences as part of their therapy. |
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Nonyflah said: I don't know how it works in other countries but, in Canada, any depiction of a minor in a sexual manner, whether real or drawn, is illegal. There was even a big brouhaha about ten years back where a former child abuse victim was arrested for making drawings of their experiences as part of their therapy. yeah, i don't even know what they would do to you/think of you if they found something messed up like Boku no Pico on your laptop. |
HaXXspetten said: might as well arrest the church & shit while you're at it this |
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Nonyflah said: if thats true than wouldn't you get arrested for watching something like kill la kill?I don't know how it works in other countries but, in Canada, any depiction of a minor in a sexual manner, whether real or drawn, is illegal. There was even a big brouhaha about ten years back where a former child abuse victim was arrested for making drawings of their experiences as part of their therapy. |
| If I ever get arrested Ill ask them if its against the law to fap to objects, cause I dont consider fictional small bug eye aliens to be human or children. |
| there was a site that listed the most popular porn searches globally it is pretty amusing to see what people's tastes are and it is surprising that hentai is pretty popular in some parts of the world. I don't remember but in some states hentai actually ranked in the top 5-10 search. |
baki502 said: i don't think that would hold up in court though......to avoid getting arrested for hentai and ecchi anime i suggest watching it in your own house by yourself without telling anybody.If I ever get arrested Ill ask them if its against the law to fap to objects, cause I dont consider fictional small bug eye aliens to be human or children. |
| im pretty sure its a grey area as far as the law is conserned, i think some laws specify that it has to have some artistic values to be safe, which can be subjective, some view hardcore hentai with loli or young characters to have no value and this should be considered child porn, |
MCsq2 said: Yeah, the only uncensored hentai you'll find is old as fuck, so it's not even pleasant to watch for the most part. Ecchi is never banned in Western countries... Neither is hentai, but it's noted that America no longer imports hentai, so no more uncensored stuff :( Also, 2D ≠ 3D. Also, just to be clear Ecchi Uncensored =/= Hentai Uncensored as these are two separate things. They better not ban it; I need my loli hentai ;P |
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zdude18 said: lol if they do ban it then no more highschool dxd my friend :(MCsq2 said: Yeah, the only uncensored hentai you'll find is old as fuck, so it's not even pleasant to watch for the most part. Ecchi is never banned in Western countries... Neither is hentai, but it's noted that America no longer imports hentai, so no more uncensored stuff :( Also, 2D ≠ 3D. Also, just to be clear Ecchi Uncensored =/= Hentai Uncensored as these are two separate things. They better not ban it; I need my loli hentai ;P |
Death_Raja said: im pretty sure its a grey area as far as the law is conserned, i think some laws specify that it has to have some artistic values to be safe, which can be subjective, some view hardcore hentai with loli or young characters to have no value and this should be considered child porn, That's because people are stupid and apparently don't know the difference between a real child and a drawing. |
| Lmao. If they were illegal, then legal streaming sites such as Crunchyroll and FUNimation would be in big ass trouble. |
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xDrayken said: Zelot said: They aren't real people... For the ignorant ones, even if they are "only" drawings, it is against the law if it is considered child porn hentai. Someone actually did get arrested because he owned hentai that was depicted as child porn (AKA Loli hentai), but if the characters are described as legal of age, it's completely legal to watch/own. It can't be depicted as child porn since they are just drawings. Drawings can be porn but they absolutely cannot be children. |
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