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May 23, 2013 11:48 AM
#6401
My Overrated Anime is --> Sword Art Online Because for me the characters are vert stereotypical specially like kirito. And there's no actual character development at all, the part of it which is the ALO part is really disappointing with all this saving asuna. And what's with suguha ? It's like she just become the female main character and asuna is forgotten and the last part of the last episode which kirito and suguha dancing ! like really ?? It was so awkward for me because asuna is there ! It should be kirito and asuna dancing. And what's with the creator of sword art online or is it nerve gear ?? It's like when kirito ask him why he created it he just says " I DON'T KNOW", come on what kind of answer is that ?? I don't know if sao is just popular because of the mmorpg theme of it and the famous 16.5. MY MOST UNDERRATERATED ANIME IS : Steins gate, Madoka Magica,fate stay night I think it needs more love ! because the story of it is more complex than sao.. and every characters got a chance to shine. In FSN I think people don't watch it because fate zero just really freakin amazing and the animation of it looks fabulous while the FSN don't really have that kind of animation because it's more older. But i hope people would watch FSN because the characters like rin, shirou, and really stood out to me. Although in the novel sakura really played a big role. |
May 23, 2013 11:59 AM
#6402
johnyjohny said: DYRE said: I think i will never get what is so good about this showjohnyjohny said: Mahou Shoujo Madoka★Magica (Good art was the only good thing i could think off, but maybe om just not a magical gril kind of person since it is the only Magi girl anime i watched) It's a magical girl anime for people who don't actually like magical girl anime, so watching more probably wouldn't make you like it any more. Because you don't realize what Madoka brought to the table. Madoka spoilers warning Puella Magi Madoka Magica deconstructs many of the most beloved Magical Girl tropes. Namely: the mascot/sidekick, the henshin item, and the apparent "perks". Even aside from the negative stuff that's particular to Madoka, it also shows that the livelihood of Magical Girl Warriors in general involves a lot of sacrifices: not only potentially putting your life on the line, but also, having to constantly be on the look-out for and fighting bad guys means sacrificing a lot of what it means to have a normal, healthy childhood, by giving up time that could be spent with family, friends or developing your own passion. Other Magical Girl shows will occasionally acknowledge these sacrifices (like with certain Ami storylines in Sailor Moon) but since it's their "destiny," it's easy to handwave them because it doesn't matter what they want anyway. But in Madoka Magica, these are normal girls who have a choice (well, for the most part - Kyubey's one Manipulative Bastard) about whether to risk all this for the sake of being magical superheroes. It's no coincidence that a lot of the Magical Girls either start out orphaned/alone (Mami, and seemingly Homura) or become that way ( Kyoko), since they have the least to lose, and those who don't are in for the biggest worlds of pain (like Sayaka, or Kyoko before she was orphaned). Source: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Deconstruction |
Just this once, I'll fulfill whatever your wish is. |
May 23, 2013 12:00 PM
#6403
This thread is better as a discussion rather than just listinig. nyways Over:the usuals..naruto,bleach....but also NGE Under: One that comes to mind is Spice and WOlf,also,Berserk, Gantz |
May 23, 2013 12:03 PM
#6404
Safster1999 said: This thread is better as a discussion rather than just listinig. It is supposed to be more of a discussion, refer to the first post: Sick_Bastard said: Moderator Edit: Please explain your choices and/or discuss other choices. This is not a simple listing thread. |
Just this once, I'll fulfill whatever your wish is. |
May 23, 2013 12:19 PM
#6405
DYRE said: That's all... pretty questionable as evidence of Madoka being a good anime. The thing with other "deconstructions" is that they tend to actually have something to say about the things they're deconstructing. Evangelion is partly a criticism of escapism through anime, for instance, and Perfect Blue harshly criticizes fetishization/objectification of celebrities, as well as otaku culture and whatnot. But with Madoka Magica... there's really no meaning to it at all. It's functional as a story and it's pretty tightly written and it doesn't have any filler episodes and the characterization more or less makes sense and the action scenes are good and it's totally reasonable for people to like the show, but ultimately its differences from other magical girl shows don't really do anything except make it seem different. Which is fine and undoubtedly contributed to its popularity but I do think it's a little bit questionable to call it a deconstruction. Well I cannot really speak a lot about it, this is true, only basing it off from users that see Madoka in a different light. I myself did not really like Madoka Magica when I first watched it; the characters didn't feel fleshed out enough for me to really 'care' what would happen to them. Only until I started reading about posts from people that watched a lot of magical girl anime expressed how this really took magical girl anime in a different approach did I take note of what this anime's purpose truly was. Not the first for being dark, but one of the unique anime out there to show 'realistic' characterization toward their circumstances. However, I appreciated it a lot more after reading the manga called The Different Story which really offered some character interaction that I felt was lacking in the anime. |
ShoryuMay 23, 2013 12:27 PM
Just this once, I'll fulfill whatever your wish is. |
May 23, 2013 12:43 PM
#6406
One Piece is overrated. In MY FUCKING OPINION. inb4 haters, come at me. |
May 23, 2013 12:45 PM
#6407
Chakaara said: One Piece is overrated. In MY FUCKING OPINION. inb4 haters, come at me. SnK is overrated. inb4 Titans come at me. |
Just this once, I'll fulfill whatever your wish is. |
May 23, 2013 1:44 PM
#6408
Tavor said: Because you don't realize what Madoka brought to the table. Madoka spoilers warning Puella Magi Madoka Magica deconstructs many of the most beloved Magical Girl tropes. Namely: the mascot/sidekick, the henshin item, and the apparent "perks". Even aside from the negative stuff that's particular to Madoka, it also shows that the livelihood of Magical Girl Warriors in general involves a lot of sacrifices: not only potentially putting your life on the line, but also, having to constantly be on the look-out for and fighting bad guys means sacrificing a lot of what it means to have a normal, healthy childhood, by giving up time that could be spent with family, friends or developing your own passion. Other Magical Girl shows will occasionally acknowledge these sacrifices (like with certain Ami storylines in Sailor Moon) but since it's their "destiny," it's easy to handwave them because it doesn't matter what they want anyway. But in Madoka Magica, these are normal girls who have a choice (well, for the most part - Kyubey's one Manipulative Bastard) about whether to risk all this for the sake of being magical superheroes. It's no coincidence that a lot of the Magical Girls either start out orphaned/alone (Mami, and seemingly Homura) or become that way ( Kyoko), since they have the least to lose, and those who don't are in for the biggest worlds of pain (like Sayaka, or Kyoko before she was orphaned). Source: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Deconstruction If we're going by the TV Tropes definition, then we can sum "Deconstruction" up as.. "How would this trope play out with Real Life consequences applied to it?" That's what I've come to accept a deconstruction as, something that points out logistical fallacies in a work of fiction, pointing out that this thing that's happen would only play out this way because it's fiction. Madoka does that to some degree, but it's difficult to argue that Madoka-style magical girls are "What being a magical girl would be like in real life." Some of the things are portrayed with realistic consequences, such as how easily a screw-up can get you killed. Of course that's not to say other magical girls haven't faced similar dangers. Looking at you Sailor Moon. Other things are done on such an... out there level that there's little room to compare Madoka to traditional magical girls. Like the henshin item. Having your soul contained in a little jewel and becoming a lich is no more or less realistic than spraying yourself with a magic perfume bottle. Not to mention the idea of them becoming the very monsters they fight. The mascot is... also yes and no. I can see the consequences in just taking the mascots word for a grain of salt, but in any other magical girl show there's usually a desperate need for those specific girls, whereas in Madoka Kyubey gets to pick and choose based on who's the most efficient source of energy. Kyubey's goal is no more realistic than a talking cat from the moon telling you you're the reincarnation of a legendary warrior. Plus when you're dealing with a concept built entirely on fantasy, especially magic. It's hard to say what would be "realistic". So if we're to go with deconstruction meaning "Twists the genre" or "injects it full of dark and angst" then yes, Madoka succeeds at that. |
May 23, 2013 1:54 PM
#6409
Let's ignore the high ratings and popularity in Japan and focus on the west for this one. Precure. The entire franchise. Not a single part of the show has an average rating over an 8. Now I'm a huge fan of Madoka Magica, but the one thing I don't like about it is that now people think there's something inherently wrong with doing a straightforward genre piece (Like Precure with magical girls). Is Precure a brutal subversion of the genre? Not at all. It's very family friendly. Is there anything wrong with that? Absolutely not. Does that mean it can't be good? Nope. Is it good? Yes it is. I'm halfway through Heartcatch (Ranked 7.97) and I'd say it's significantly better than most of the shows ranked over 9 including the number 1 anime. Apparently the final episodes have dragon punching so I'll look forward to that |
May 23, 2013 1:58 PM
#6410
Tavor said: I'm not trying to be a smartass here but, aren't there countless of that kind of animes choices come with sacrifices.johnyjohny said: DYRE said: I think i will never get what is so good about this showjohnyjohny said: Mahou Shoujo Madoka★Magica (Good art was the only good thing i could think off, but maybe om just not a magical gril kind of person since it is the only Magi girl anime i watched) It's a magical girl anime for people who don't actually like magical girl anime, so watching more probably wouldn't make you like it any more. Because you don't realize what Madoka brought to the table. Madoka spoilers warning Puella Magi Madoka Magica deconstructs many of the most beloved Magical Girl tropes. Namely: the mascot/sidekick, the henshin item, and the apparent "perks". Even aside from the negative stuff that's particular to Madoka, it also shows that the livelihood of Magical Girl Warriors in general involves a lot of sacrifices: not only potentially putting your life on the line, but also, having to constantly be on the look-out for and fighting bad guys means sacrificing a lot of what it means to have a normal, healthy childhood, by giving up time that could be spent with family, friends or developing your own passion. Other Magical Girl shows will occasionally acknowledge these sacrifices (like with certain Ami storylines in Sailor Moon) but since it's their "destiny," it's easy to handwave them because it doesn't matter what they want anyway. But in Madoka Magica, these are normal girls who have a choice (well, for the most part - Kyubey's one Manipulative Bastard) about whether to risk all this for the sake of being magical superheroes. It's no coincidence that a lot of the Magical Girls either start out orphaned/alone (Mami, and seemingly Homura) or become that way ( Kyoko), since they have the least to lose, and those who don't are in for the biggest worlds of pain (like Sayaka, or Kyoko before she was orphaned). Source: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Deconstruction |
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May 23, 2013 2:08 PM
#6411
Chakaara said: One Piece is overrated. In MY FUCKING OPINION. inb4 haters, come at me. it is but >SAO 10/10 > Clannad 10/10 haven't watched it and never will 'cause I hate Comedy-Romance slice of life anime >Shingeki no Kyojin 10/10 go and watch Naruto this was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to easy OT: Overrated:Mars of Destruction, K-On, Lucky Star,Highschool of the Dead, the list goes on and on and on Underrated:Digimon Tamers, Mardock Scramble The First Compression |
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May 23, 2013 2:15 PM
#6412
johnyjohny said: And not a single one does it as well as Madoka MagicaTavor said: I'm not trying to be a smartass here but, aren't there countless of that kind of animes choices come with sacrifices.johnyjohny said: DYRE said: I think i will never get what is so good about this showjohnyjohny said: Mahou Shoujo Madoka★Magica (Good art was the only good thing i could think off, but maybe om just not a magical gril kind of person since it is the only Magi girl anime i watched) It's a magical girl anime for people who don't actually like magical girl anime, so watching more probably wouldn't make you like it any more. Because you don't realize what Madoka brought to the table. Madoka spoilers warning Puella Magi Madoka Magica deconstructs many of the most beloved Magical Girl tropes. Namely: the mascot/sidekick, the henshin item, and the apparent "perks". Even aside from the negative stuff that's particular to Madoka, it also shows that the livelihood of Magical Girl Warriors in general involves a lot of sacrifices: not only potentially putting your life on the line, but also, having to constantly be on the look-out for and fighting bad guys means sacrificing a lot of what it means to have a normal, healthy childhood, by giving up time that could be spent with family, friends or developing your own passion. Other Magical Girl shows will occasionally acknowledge these sacrifices (like with certain Ami storylines in Sailor Moon) but since it's their "destiny," it's easy to handwave them because it doesn't matter what they want anyway. But in Madoka Magica, these are normal girls who have a choice (well, for the most part - Kyubey's one Manipulative Bastard) about whether to risk all this for the sake of being magical superheroes. It's no coincidence that a lot of the Magical Girls either start out orphaned/alone (Mami, and seemingly Homura) or become that way ( Kyoko), since they have the least to lose, and those who don't are in for the biggest worlds of pain (like Sayaka, or Kyoko before she was orphaned). Source: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Deconstruction |
May 23, 2013 2:16 PM
#6413
johnyjohny said: I'm not trying to be a smartass here but, aren't there countless of that kind of animes choices come with sacrifices. The point being though it's a huge factor within the magical girl anime genre to do this sort of thing with a dark twist at hand. However, I'm not the best to consult about this, just merely pointing out how some people appreciate this (nor am I saying it's the only reason to like Madoka Magica). It's similar to saying that Evangelion is a deconstruction of the mecha genre because of the immense importance placed on the character's psychological despair in reaction to the situations they are placed in. Though, I have discussed with ZetaZaku about this and he points out that Evangelion definitely isn't the first to deconstruct the mecha genre. |
Just this once, I'll fulfill whatever your wish is. |
May 23, 2013 2:17 PM
#6414
Houndthree said: Chakaara said: One Piece is overrated. In MY FUCKING OPINION. inb4 haters, come at me. it is but >SAO 10/10 > Clannad 10/10 haven't watched it and never will 'cause I hate Comedy-Romance slice of life anime >Shingeki no Kyojin 10/10 go and watch Naruto this was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to easy OT: Overrated:Mars of Destruction, K-On, Lucky Star,Highschool of the Dead, the list goes on and on and on Underrated:Digimon Tamers, Mardock Scramble The First Compression Mars of Destruction's average score is something like 2.5 |
May 23, 2013 2:24 PM
#6415
Still overrated as fuck it was so bad that I did not even enjoy it They should remove Mars of Destruction from the MAL database seriously |
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May 23, 2013 2:25 PM
#6416
Houndthree said: Still overrated as fuck it was so bad that I did not even enjoy it They should remove Mars of Destruction from the MAL database seriously No man, I appreciate it for being an Evangelion parody. I say let it stay. |
Just this once, I'll fulfill whatever your wish is. |
May 23, 2013 2:33 PM
#6417
Tavor said: All right this is so true. I think i get where you getting at.It's similar to saying that Evangelion is a deconstruction of the mecha genre because of the immense importance placed on the character's psychological despair in reaction to the situations they are placed in. |
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May 23, 2013 2:40 PM
#6418
DYRE said: Tavor said: Because you don't realize what Madoka brought to the table. Madoka spoilers warning Puella Magi Madoka Magica deconstructs many of the most beloved Magical Girl tropes. Namely: the mascot/sidekick, the henshin item, and the apparent "perks". Even aside from the negative stuff that's particular to Madoka, it also shows that the livelihood of Magical Girl Warriors in general involves a lot of sacrifices: not only potentially putting your life on the line, but also, having to constantly be on the look-out for and fighting bad guys means sacrificing a lot of what it means to have a normal, healthy childhood, by giving up time that could be spent with family, friends or developing your own passion. Other Magical Girl shows will occasionally acknowledge these sacrifices (like with certain Ami storylines in Sailor Moon) but since it's their "destiny," it's easy to handwave them because it doesn't matter what they want anyway. But in Madoka Magica, these are normal girls who have a choice (well, for the most part - Kyubey's one Manipulative Bastard) about whether to risk all this for the sake of being magical superheroes. It's no coincidence that a lot of the Magical Girls either start out orphaned/alone (Mami, and seemingly Homura) or become that way ( Kyoko), since they have the least to lose, and those who don't are in for the biggest worlds of pain (like Sayaka, or Kyoko before she was orphaned). Source: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Deconstruction That's all... pretty questionable as evidence of Madoka being a good anime. The thing with other "deconstructions" is that they tend to actually have something to say about the things they're deconstructing. Evangelion is partly a criticism of escapism through anime, for instance, and Perfect Blue harshly criticizes fetishization/objectification of celebrities, as well as otaku culture and whatnot. But with Madoka Magica... there's really no meaning to it at all. It's functional as a story and it's pretty tightly written and it doesn't have any filler episodes and the characterization more or less makes sense and the action scenes are good and it's totally reasonable for people to like the show, but ultimately its differences from other magical girl shows don't really do anything except make it seem different. Which is fine and undoubtedly contributed to its popularity but I do think it's a little bit questionable to call it a deconstruction. I disagree that there is no overall meaning to the show. One of the things that I found compelling about the series is that despite being a deconstruction, Madoka does not present a criticism of its genre and surroundings like Eva, but rather exemplifies some of the most important messages of the magical girl genre. Core to Madoka's wish at the end of the series is that she does not want to undo the struggles of the other magical girls, even if by doing so she would be able to save Sayaka's life for example. We then get a final conversation between Sayaka and Madoka where Sayaka decides that making her wish was not a mistake, and implies that she would do it over again if given the chance. The message at the end of the show is that there is inherent value in hope and working to help other people, even if it results in failure. This is part of what I find to be cool about Madoka. It deconstructs the genre by forcing its characters through turmoil and presents a long and painful road of being a magical girl, but when everything gets put back together at the end of the show and we are presented with the question: "but was it worth it?" we find that the answer is "yes, absolutely." |
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May 23, 2013 3:08 PM
#6419
Houndthree said: There is a whole bunch of Chinese and Korean stuff that really shouldn't be on here, and the one thing you want to get rid of is Mars of Destruction? Well, I don't like Naruto so therefore it should be taken off this site even though it's one of the most popular anime & manga of all time in the west.Still overrated as fuck it was so bad that I did not even enjoy it They should remove Mars of Destruction from the MAL database seriously |
May 24, 2013 12:14 AM
#6420
Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita is overated. I mean the anime is not bad at all. I think want to express it's message but it make it hard to catch... I thought it would be far better. I like the voice of the protagonist, the fairys, and some of the messages, but it's a totally mess show. I think it's a little overated just because it's original, but I found it a little boring and without sense in most of the cases. Underated: Aku No Hana OMG the story and feelings are intense, i feel it every time and feel the pressure of the situations, I think is good. The art is shit as hell, I know and I'm agree but... I don't say is a masterpiece but it's quite good, not for having a 6 in MAL to be honest! |
May 24, 2013 11:36 AM
#6421
Stupid people, when someone says a high rated anime is underrated, and you point out its ranking -_- being underrated is relative, if it's #10 and underrated then it means it should be like... #9 or 6 or 1. Underrated: Shingeki no Kyojin and Death Note. And FMA 2003 and Hunter x Hunter And Jojo |
May 24, 2013 11:46 AM
#6422
HurricaneSweet said: being underrated is relative, if it's #10 and underrated then it means it should be like... #9 or 6 or 1. This thread is about ratings, not rankings. |
May 24, 2013 12:56 PM
#6423
HurricaneSweet said: Stupid people, when someone says a high rated anime is underrated, and you point out its ranking -_- being underrated is relative, if it's #10 and underrated then it means it should be like... #9 or 6 or 1. Underrated: Shingeki no Kyojin and Death Note. And FMA 2003 and Hunter x Hunter And Jojo SnK ? Death Note ??? |
ChakaaraMay 24, 2013 1:05 PM
May 24, 2013 1:32 PM
#6424
how is SNK underrated ? it's rated 8.8 in MAL although it's still ongoing Overrated : SAO too much timeskip, no character development, too fast Zetsuen No Tempest it was a really good anime till the end of first arc, and then everything falls apart in the 2nd arc. i don't even know who's the main protagonist anymore, yoshino and mashiro is just an "extra" member in the final battle ? wtf ? AW same with SAO, but at least AW has a little char development Underrated : Ro Kyu Bu! a group of lolis playing basketball, what's not to love ? |
May 24, 2013 2:52 PM
#6425
Tavor said: johnyjohny said: DYRE said: I think i will never get what is so good about this showjohnyjohny said: Mahou Shoujo Madoka★Magica (Good art was the only good thing i could think off, but maybe om just not a magical gril kind of person since it is the only Magi girl anime i watched) It's a magical girl anime for people who don't actually like magical girl anime, so watching more probably wouldn't make you like it any more. Because you don't realize what Madoka brought to the table. Madoka spoilers warning Puella Magi Madoka Magica deconstructs many of the most beloved Magical Girl tropes. Namely: the mascot/sidekick, the henshin item, and the apparent "perks". Even aside from the negative stuff that's particular to Madoka, it also shows that the livelihood of Magical Girl Warriors in general involves a lot of sacrifices: not only potentially putting your life on the line, but also, having to constantly be on the look-out for and fighting bad guys means sacrificing a lot of what it means to have a normal, healthy childhood, by giving up time that could be spent with family, friends or developing your own passion. Other Magical Girl shows will occasionally acknowledge these sacrifices (like with certain Ami storylines in Sailor Moon) but since it's their "destiny," it's easy to handwave them because it doesn't matter what they want anyway. But in Madoka Magica, these are normal girls who have a choice (well, for the most part - Kyubey's one Manipulative Bastard) about whether to risk all this for the sake of being magical superheroes. It's no coincidence that a lot of the Magical Girls either start out orphaned/alone (Mami, and seemingly Homura) or become that way ( Kyoko), since they have the least to lose, and those who don't are in for the biggest worlds of pain (like Sayaka, or Kyoko before she was orphaned). Source: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Deconstruction It's not a deconstuction. Let's see what a "deconstuction" is: deconstruction in the 'literary' (?) sense is a particular way of reading which seeks out forces in the text itself which compete or conflict with each other, and points out how the text is therefore fragmented and polysemic and incapable of arriving at a final meaning. You point out how broken the text is, and then you say 'it was like that when I got here'. Madoka certainly didn't do that. And then there's the viewpoint that a Deconstruction in the literary sense is taking things apart to examine them, to find out what makes the words tick simply by using only the source material (with no historical or cultural context). Though, deconstruction is rarely used without reconstruction. You first take things apart, then you put them back together in a more enlightened way. In the same way, you can't have reconstruction without deconstruction. What I wrote resembles very closely to the practical criticism experiments of I. A. Richards, and the later approach of the New Critics. But that's just the origins of close reading, which is the lynchpin of English as a discipline and isn't really tied to a particular school of theory (though obviously it does come with assumptions attached). Madoka certainly didn't do that either. Personally, the word "Deconstruction" annoys me because it's used as an ugly synonym for 'analyse' and it's also used to refer to some kind of process of engrimmification which people think exists ('NGE is a deconstruction of super robot shows') and which some people seem to think represents progress. Which is ridiculous: progress is something that happens in technology but not culture. ("Progress" is probably the wrong term, because it implies it has somewhere to go. "Evolve" is likely more what I'm looking for.) It has too many meanings, and most of its meanings either refer to things which don't actually exist or are just intensely annoying (the sooner we can completely free ourselves from Derrida the better). Any time I'm tempted to use it I force myself to explain long-form what I'm trying to say. |
May 24, 2013 2:56 PM
#6426
Neane1993 said: Tavor said: johnyjohny said: DYRE said: I think i will never get what is so good about this showjohnyjohny said: Mahou Shoujo Madoka★Magica (Good art was the only good thing i could think off, but maybe om just not a magical gril kind of person since it is the only Magi girl anime i watched) It's a magical girl anime for people who don't actually like magical girl anime, so watching more probably wouldn't make you like it any more. Because you don't realize what Madoka brought to the table. Madoka spoilers warning Puella Magi Madoka Magica deconstructs many of the most beloved Magical Girl tropes. Namely: the mascot/sidekick, the henshin item, and the apparent "perks". Even aside from the negative stuff that's particular to Madoka, it also shows that the livelihood of Magical Girl Warriors in general involves a lot of sacrifices: not only potentially putting your life on the line, but also, having to constantly be on the look-out for and fighting bad guys means sacrificing a lot of what it means to have a normal, healthy childhood, by giving up time that could be spent with family, friends or developing your own passion. Other Magical Girl shows will occasionally acknowledge these sacrifices (like with certain Ami storylines in Sailor Moon) but since it's their "destiny," it's easy to handwave them because it doesn't matter what they want anyway. But in Madoka Magica, these are normal girls who have a choice (well, for the most part - Kyubey's one Manipulative Bastard) about whether to risk all this for the sake of being magical superheroes. It's no coincidence that a lot of the Magical Girls either start out orphaned/alone (Mami, and seemingly Homura) or become that way ( Kyoko), since they have the least to lose, and those who don't are in for the biggest worlds of pain (like Sayaka, or Kyoko before she was orphaned). Source: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Deconstruction It's not a deconstuction. Let's see what a "deconstuction" is: deconstruction in the 'literary' (?) sense is a particular way of reading which seeks out forces in the text itself which compete or conflict with each other, and points out how the text is therefore fragmented and polysemic and incapable of arriving at a final meaning. You point out how broken the text is, and then you say 'it was like that when I got here'. Madoka certainly didn't do that. And then there's the viewpoint that a Deconstruction in the literary sense is taking things apart to examine them, to find out what makes the words tick simply by using only the source material (with no historical or cultural context). Though, deconstruction is rarely used without reconstruction. You first take things apart, then you put them back together in a more enlightened way. In the same way, you can't have reconstruction without deconstruction. What I wrote resembles very closely to the practical criticism experiments of I. A. Richards, and the later approach of the New Critics. But that's just the origins of close reading, which is the lynchpin of English as a discipline and isn't really tied to a particular school of theory (though obviously it does come with assumptions attached). Madoka certainly didn't do that either. Personally, the word "Deconstruction" annoys me because it's used as an ugly synonym for 'analyse' and it's also used to refer to some kind of process of engrimmification which people think exists ('NGE is a deconstruction of super robot shows') and which some people seem to think represents progress. Which is ridiculous: progress is something that happens in technology but not culture. ("Progress" is probably the wrong term, because it implies it has somewhere to go. "Evolve" is likely more what I'm looking for.) It has too many meanings, and most of its meanings either refer to things which don't actually exist or are just intensely annoying (the sooner we can completely free ourselves from Derrida the better). Any time I'm tempted to use it I force myself to explain long-form what I'm trying to say. That was rather interesting. I can't fully invest my trust into TV Tropes; I'll do my best to be cautious, thanks! |
Just this once, I'll fulfill whatever your wish is. |
May 25, 2013 2:10 AM
#6427
Underrated: Welcome to NHK, Fruits Basket, Eureka 7 Overrated: Naruto, Bleach |
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May 25, 2013 5:07 AM
#6428
Houndour87 said: I don't think Eureka 7 is underrated, it has a score of 8.32?Underrated: Welcome to NHK, Fruits Basket, Eureka 7 Overrated: Naruto, Bleach |
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May 25, 2013 5:16 AM
#6429
el_putazo said: Houndour87 said: I don't think Eureka 7 is underrated, it has a score of 8.32?Underrated: Welcome to NHK, Fruits Basket, Eureka 7 Overrated: Naruto, Bleach Similar thing with Welcome to the NHK actually (8,49), maybe he means around the internet (though I've never seen much heavy criticism on it either) and not only MAL. |
May 25, 2013 5:19 AM
#6430
I think that Animes like Naruto and Bleach are suppressed by haters enough. So underrated even Naruto. |
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May 25, 2013 1:27 PM
#6431
Overrated: Gintama, Highschool of the Dead, Soul Eater, Bleach, Sword Art Online, One Piece, Code Geass Underrated: Detective Conan, Katekyo Hitman Reborn, Hellsing |
Dwo0wBzf9hOnDhPwJun 12, 2013 5:59 PM
May 26, 2013 9:09 PM
#6432
ColinBanks96 said: Overrated: Gintama, Highschool of the Dead, Soul Eater, Bleach, Sword Art Online, One Piece, Angel Beats, Code Geass Underrated: Detective Conan, Katekyo Hitman Reborn, Hellsing Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Settle down there pal. I don't think Gintama is overrated (Maybe on this site) but overall I think it's position is fairly justified. Wait a minute.... one episode.... what.... You watch one episode and drop it and are now qualified to call it overrated!? It gets better you just need to see it's true colors, very few anime start off amazing from episode 1. At least watch to episode 10 or get into some serious story arcs before you make a judgment, then you can hate on it all you want. Thank you, that will be all. Mod Edit: Removed insults. |
LunaMay 27, 2013 6:53 AM
May 27, 2013 4:41 AM
#6433
DingoBingo said: ColinBanks96 said: Overrated: Gintama, Highschool of the Dead, Soul Eater, Bleach, Sword Art Online, One Piece, Angel Beats, Code Geass Underrated: Detective Conan, Katekyo Hitman Reborn, Hellsing Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Settle down there pal. I don't think Gintama is overrated (Maybe on this site) but overall I think it's position is fairly justified. Wait a minute.... one episode.... what.... You watch one episode and drop it and are now qualified to call it overrated!? It gets better you just need to see it's true colors, very few anime start off amazing from episode 1. At least watch to episode 10 or get into some serious story arcs before you make a judgment, then you can hate on it all you want. Thank you, that will be all. I couldn't even make it through the first episode of Gintama to be honest. Watched like half of it and thought it was really shit. I take back what I said about Angel Beats. I finished it last night and it's now one of my favourite anime. Now I'm thinking that it's underrated LOL Mod Edit: Modified quote and the response to the removed parts. Also merged your posts, please do not double post. Also, please explain why you think something is overrated/underrated. |
LunaMay 27, 2013 6:55 AM
May 27, 2013 5:36 AM
#6434
Underrated: - The entire Hidamari Sketch franchise - fucking GJ-Bu - mother fucking Gunslinger Girl <-- seriously, people complain about "no good anime...wahh!" and we have gems like this under 1000 in the rankings?! - mother fucking goddamn Saki <-- because lesbian mahjong playing schoolgirls, that's why - everything made by KyoAni - Bokura ga Ita <-- I don't know why everyone flips their shit over this show. Not every love story can end all roses and sunshine like Overated: - Shingeki no Kyojin <-- yes, it's good...but it's not even fucking 1/3 finished yet. It doesn't deserve to be ranked in the top 10 already. At least let the damn thing finish first Mod Edit: Removed quote of a modified post. |
LunaMay 27, 2013 6:58 AM
May 27, 2013 9:04 AM
#6435
Overrated: Evangelion, Naruto, Bleach, Clannad, Pokemon, saint seiya omega. Underrated: Tenchi Muyo!/Tenchi Universe, Project A-Ko, Bastard!!, Darkstalkers, Lost Universe, Ronin Warriors. |
Dubs>subs. Breaking Bad>Anime Comic books>manga 99% of Anime is Garbage |
May 27, 2013 9:17 AM
#6436
Fairy Tail and Angel Beats! Both have the same rating 8.59 which is ridiculously too high |
May 27, 2013 9:21 AM
#6437
natssuu said: Don't judge a anime you dropped man.Fairy Tail and Angel Beats! Both have the same rating 8.59 which is ridiculously too high |
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May 27, 2013 9:23 AM
#6438
Overrated: Naruto, Bleach, Inuyasha, Sword Art Online, Neon Genesis Evangelion, K-On Underrated: Crescent Love, Yozakura Quartet, Kyoshiro to Towa no Sora |
May 27, 2013 9:42 AM
#6439
Overrated: NGE, Death Note, SAO, Durarara!!, Ranma 1/2 , Dance in the Vampire Bund |
May 27, 2013 11:46 AM
#6440
johnyjohny said: natssuu said: Don't judge a anime you dropped man.Fairy Tail and Angel Beats! Both have the same rating 8.59 which is ridiculously too high By that logic, would it mean that a person who dropped an anime on it's last episode should also not have the right to judge it? I didn't watch it to the last episode, but I know enough to say that Fairy Tail is overrated. Next thing you're gonna say is that you can't understand why I hate Fairy Tail, right? |
May 27, 2013 11:58 AM
#6441
natssuu said: Fairy Tail and Angel Beats! Both have the same rating 8.59 which is ridiculously too high Agreed with Angel Beats!, i don't like it much, and fortunately isn't a Kyo Ani produced anime, if it was, maybe can would have even best rating, this anime deserves an 8 but no more than 8.3. About Fairy Tail in a previous post gave my opinion about it. |
May 27, 2013 12:00 PM
#6442
To me, every anime in here is either over or under rated. |
May 27, 2013 12:12 PM
#6443
Chakaara said: To me, every anime in here is either over or under rated. Agreed, Chakaara! Screw Berserk and Ghost in the Shell; let's talk about real classics, like MAPS! (Because there's no way that we could like something that came after the beginning of the 90s, am I right?) |
May 27, 2013 12:21 PM
#6444
daniyan said: Agreed with Angel Beats!, i don't like it much, and fortunately isn't a Kyo Ani produced anime, if it was, maybe can would have even best rating, this anime deserves an 8 but no more than 8.3. Kyoani fag in a nutshell. |
May 27, 2013 12:31 PM
#6445
KillJoyMafia said: An underrated anime in my opinion is perhaps one of my recently picked up ones: Yumekui Merry, pretty cliche plot and all, but I have a strange attraction towards the series. :X Don't forget to check out the manga it's based on too! The actual author is definitely less clumsy than the anime's staff when it comes to the plot and characters, and personally I don't think that the anime gives enough credit to Ushiki Yoshitaka's art style... |
May 27, 2013 12:33 PM
#6446
underrated: Revolutionary Girl Utena, Infinite Ryvius,Scrapped Princess (the last one isn't that good but it should be in top 500 at least) Overrated:everything |
May 27, 2013 12:37 PM
#6447
Overrated: everything you like Underrated: everything I like |
May 27, 2013 12:41 PM
#6449
Venuduck said: Overrated: everything you like Underrated: everything I like Makes sense. But what if something I like happens to be something you like, this a problem for a greater mind than mine. |
May 27, 2013 1:15 PM
#6450
tsudecimo said: daniyan said: Agreed with Angel Beats!, i don't like it much, and fortunately isn't a Kyo Ani produced anime, if it was, maybe can would have even best rating, this anime deserves an 8 but no more than 8.3. Kyoani fag in a nutshell. Hey, at least i didn't watched K-on! and can still not watching this anime yet. But i have to accept your offense in a good manner and consider it as constructive criticism. |
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