Disregard or don't disregard episode 76 ? (SPOILERS)

Shaduge said:
and really who doesn't like when someone who appeared at the very beginning appears again after 200 chapters?

mrbryce said:
gosh they managed to mess with the most expected episode. i really hate the feeling of the 2011 anime. gon and killua seem like such spoiled brats. kite wasnt good looking to begin with but here he s drawn like crap. It doesnt make sense that they portray (really, they couldnt come up with anything better than Leorio's home town)?? and then maybe they plan to ditch that ark and thats why they fitted that stupid ant nest into the reunion scene.

MCAL said:


So just because the manga made more sense, the anime doesn't make any sense at all. Because if I were watching it without knowledge of the manga or 99 series, this episode still made perfect sense to me.



I don't understand it either, but still that doesn't mean people should pretend episode 76 doesn't exist. Is the point I am trying is make.

j0x said:
ye i agree, episode 76 will not destroy the whole 2011 anime version

Django_Freeman said:
First, there may be some mistakes in this message, since English is not my first language. As a fan of this manga, I really wanted to give my opinion about this episode : personnaly, I don't think all these complaints are really justified.

The first time I watched the episode, my thoughts were "WTF, it isn't what it's supposed to be !" But then, after watching it a second time, I realized that actually, it works perfectly, and makes just as much sense as the manga.

How did Gon learn about his dad, if Kite wasn't the one who told him ? It was the Whale Island inhabitants, they DID know everything about Ging, you can rewatch the first episode if you don't remember. I like to think that Mito asked everyone to tell nothing about Ging, but eventually someone couldn't keep his mouth shut. So the way Madhouse handled the flashback makes perfect sense.

Besides, some people say that it lessens the bond between Gon and Kite, which would make future events (I won't go into spoiler territory) completely unrealistic. But the bond between Gon and Kite doesn't come from their first meeting, it comes from the time they spend together after their second meeting. The only difference between this episode and the manga is that Gon and Kite don't talk about Ging in the anime. Is their entire relationship based on a few minutes long talk ? A discussion between Gon, who was a child back then, and a man he never met before and would not meet again before several years ? I don't think so. Their relationship is based on three things :

1) Kite saved Gon's life, which probably made a huge impression on such a young boy. It happened in the anime.
2) Kite is Ging's student and friend, a man Ging respects, and a man strong and capable enough to FIND Ging, precisely what Gon wants to do. Gon respects and admires the man's strenght, like he respected and admired Razor's, and since Kite is pretty close to Ging (or as close as one could be to a guy like him) Gon considers him as a mentor of sorts, or even as a kind of father figure. All this is in the anime.
3) They spend some time together, which will happen in the anime. Gon was willing to risk his life for Killua, a guy he met less than a month ago, so it's no stretch he feels so close to Kite so quickly.

As for the "Ging planned everything", it seems that Madhouse understands Ging better than most people. Ging IS a schemer, but of a particular sort. He is more of a gambler. He has no way to be sure people will do what he wants them to do, but he bases his own actions on the assumption they will. I think that, much like Machi and Gon, he's got a very sharp intuition, which allows him to predict how people will react.

For example : the box Mito was supposed to give to Gon once had become a Hunter. How did Ging know Gon would learn about his whereabouts ? How did he know he would WANT to follow his footsteps ? How did he know he would manage to become a Hunter ? And then, there's Greed Island. He created the whole game for Gon, and for Gon only...but even assuming Gon WOULD become a Hunter, how did Ging know he would get the game ? How did he know he would be strong enough not to get killed by some monsters, other players, or Razor for that matter ? He had no way of knowing all this. He pushed Gon in the right direction, put some important pawns on the right position, but everything was nothing but a big gamble.

With this in mind, it's not very difficult to believe Ging planned the meeting between Gon and Kite in Whale Island. It was obvious Kite would go there : it was the only place where he could hope to find some clues about Ging. After that, meeting Gon was just a matter of luck. Gon meeting Biscuit, Tzesguerra, Goreinu, and Genthru ? Of course he didn't plan Gon to meet them in particular, but he knew Gon would have to get strong allies to win the game (how would he get Patch of Shore otherwise ?), and that he would have to defeat strong foes like Genthru.

Django_Freeman said:
First, there may be some mistakes in this message, since English is not my first language. As a fan of this manga, I really wanted to give my opinion about this episode : personnaly, I don't think all these complaints are really justified.

The first time I watched the episode, my thoughts were "WTF, it isn't what it's supposed to be !" But then, after watching it a second time, I realized that actually, it works perfectly, and makes just as much sense as the manga.

How did Gon learn about his dad, if Kite wasn't the one who told him ? It was the Whale Island inhabitants, they DID know everything about Ging, you can rewatch the first episode if you don't remember. I like to think that Mito asked everyone to tell nothing about Ging, but eventually someone couldn't keep his mouth shut. So the way Madhouse handled the flashback makes perfect sense.

Besides, some people say that it lessens the bond between Gon and Kite, which would make future events (I won't go into spoiler territory) completely unrealistic. But the bond between Gon and Kite doesn't come from their first meeting, it comes from the time they spend together after their second meeting. The only difference between this episode and the manga is that Gon and Kite don't talk about Ging in the anime. Is their entire relationship based on a few minutes long talk ? A discussion between Gon, who was a child back then, and a man he never met before and would not meet again before several years ? I don't think so. Their relationship is based on three things :

1) Kite saved Gon's life, which probably made a huge impression on such a young boy. It happened in the anime.
2) Kite is Ging's student and friend, a man Ging respects, and a man strong and capable enough to FIND Ging, precisely what Gon wants to do. Gon respects and admires the man's strenght, like he respected and admired Razor's, and since Kite is pretty close to Ging (or as close as one could be to a guy like him) Gon considers him as a mentor of sorts, or even as a kind of father figure. All this is in the anime.
3) They spend some time together, which will happen in the anime. Gon was willing to risk his life for Killua, a guy he met less than a month ago, so it's no stretch he feels so close to Kite so quickly.

As for the "Ging planned everything", it seems that Madhouse understands Ging better than most people. Ging IS a schemer, but of a particular sort. He is more of a gambler. He has no way to be sure people will do what he wants them to do, but he bases his own actions on the assumption they will. I think that, much like Machi and Gon, he's got a very sharp intuition, which allows him to predict how people will react.

For example : the box Mito was supposed to give to Gon once had become a Hunter. How did Ging know Gon would learn about his whereabouts ? How did he know he would WANT to follow his footsteps ? How did he know he would manage to become a Hunter ? And then, there's Greed Island. He created the whole game for Gon, and for Gon only...but even assuming Gon WOULD become a Hunter, how did Ging know he would get the game ? How did he know he would be strong enough not to get killed by some monsters, other players, or Razor for that matter ? He had no way of knowing all this. He pushed Gon in the right direction, put some important pawns on the right position, but everything was nothing but a big gamble.

With this in mind, it's not very difficult to believe Ging planned the meeting between Gon and Kite in Whale Island. It was obvious Kite would go there : it was the only place where he could hope to find some clues about Ging. After that, meeting Gon was just a matter of luck. Gon meeting Biscuit, Tzesguerra, Goreinu, and Genthru ? Of course he didn't plan Gon to meet them in particular, but he knew Gon would have to get strong allies to win the game (how would he get Patch of Shore otherwise ?), and that he would have to defeat strong foes like Genthru.

Django_Freeman said:
First, there may be some mistakes in this message, since English is not my first language. As a fan of this manga, I really wanted to give my opinion about this episode : personnaly, I don't think all these complaints are really justified.

The first time I watched the episode, my thoughts were "WTF, it isn't what it's supposed to be !" But then, after watching it a second time, I realized that actually, it works perfectly, and makes just as much sense as the manga.

How did Gon learn about his dad, if Kite wasn't the one who told him ? It was the Whale Island inhabitants, they DID know everything about Ging, you can rewatch the first episode if you don't remember. I like to think that Mito asked everyone to tell nothing about Ging, but eventually someone couldn't keep his mouth shut. So the way Madhouse handled the flashback makes perfect sense.

Besides, some people say that it lessens the bond between Gon and Kite, which would make future events (I won't go into spoiler territory) completely unrealistic. But the bond between Gon and Kite doesn't come from their first meeting, it comes from the time they spend together after their second meeting. The only difference between this episode and the manga is that Gon and Kite don't talk about Ging in the anime. Is their entire relationship based on a few minutes long talk ? A discussion between Gon, who was a child back then, and a man he never met before and would not meet again before several years ? I don't think so. Their relationship is based on three things :

1) Kite saved Gon's life, which probably made a huge impression on such a young boy. It happened in the anime.
2) Kite is Ging's student and friend, a man Ging respects, and a man strong and capable enough to FIND Ging, precisely what Gon wants to do. Gon respects and admires the man's strenght, like he respected and admired Razor's, and since Kite is pretty close to Ging (or as close as one could be to a guy like him) Gon considers him as a mentor of sorts, or even as a kind of father figure. All this is in the anime.
3) They spend some time together, which will happen in the anime. Gon was willing to risk his life for Killua, a guy he met less than a month ago, so it's no stretch he feels so close to Kite so quickly.

As for the "Ging planned everything", it seems that Madhouse understands Ging better than most people. Ging IS a schemer, but of a particular sort. He is more of a gambler. He has no way to be sure people will do what he wants them to do, but he bases his own actions on the assumption they will. I think that, much like Machi and Gon, he's got a very sharp intuition, which allows him to predict how people will react.

For example : the box Mito was supposed to give to Gon once had become a Hunter. How did Ging know Gon would learn about his whereabouts ? How did he know he would WANT to follow his footsteps ? How did he know he would manage to become a Hunter ? And then, there's Greed Island. He created the whole game for Gon, and for Gon only...but even assuming Gon WOULD become a Hunter, how did Ging know he would get the game ? How did he know he would be strong enough not to get killed by some monsters, other players, or Razor for that matter ? He had no way of knowing all this. He pushed Gon in the right direction, put some important pawns on the right position, but everything was nothing but a big gamble.

With this in mind, it's not very difficult to believe Ging planned the meeting between Gon and Kite in Whale Island. It was obvious Kite would go there : it was the only place where he could hope to find some clues about Ging. After that, meeting Gon was just a matter of luck. Gon meeting Biscuit, Tzesguerra, Goreinu, and Genthru ? Of course he didn't plan Gon to meet them in particular, but he knew Gon would have to get strong allies to win the game (how would he get Patch of Shore otherwise ?), and that he would have to defeat strong foes like Genthru.

kronoxS said:
I put the 99 version in a golden pedestal, so sue me haha

That aside I've been reading all the posts and to my knowledge the only ones that doesn't complain about the changes are from people that haven't read the manga or didn't understand how togashi built a mentor relationship with Kite and Gon from the beginning. I Have to agree with Mikasa here. Kite is the one that sets the whole HxH story going. It's the one that gaves Gon it's purpose (As someone said He is the equivalent of Shanks in One piece)

No, not seeing him in 75 episodes it's not an issue, not if you want a brain massage whenever the twist came.

What I find really annoying is the way they handled the whole "OH NOW I REMEMBER" moment. That's lazy ass hell, forced as hell and not even thrilling to watch.

That's it for the Flashback. The way I see it, if MH wants to present Kite as a new Char then they'll have to change many things in future developments. My prediction is, We are going to be forced to swallow a series of little filler events where Kite acts like a Badass, father figure and guardian in order to build what we already should know. "Kite looks out for Gon"

Further on my predictions I say there are only two parts where this can be possible

Oh believe me, I would sue you if you weren't such a broke ass mountain bitch.
And thanks for repeating me, yes we expect little anime-exclusive additions of Kaito being that "supportive badass figure to Gon"

kronoxS said:

That aside I've been reading all the posts and to my knowledge the only ones that doesn't complain about the changes are from people that haven't read the manga or didn't understand how togashi built a mentor relationship with Kite and Gon from the beginning.

kronoxS said:
I put the 99 version in a golden pedestal, so sue me haha

That aside I've been reading all the posts and to my knowledge the only ones that doesn't complain about the changes are from people that haven't read the manga or didn't understand how togashi built a mentor relationship with Kite and Gon from the beginning. I Have to agree with Mikasa here. Kite is the one that sets the whole HxH story going. It's the one that gaves Gon it's purpose (As someone said He is the equivalent of Shanks in One piece)

No, not seeing him in 75 episodes it's not an issue, not if you want a brain massage whenever the twist came.

What I find really annoying is the way they handled the whole "OH NOW I REMEMBER" moment. That's lazy ass hell, forced as hell and not even thrilling to watch.

That's it for the Flashback. The way I see it, if MH wants to present Kite as a new Char then they'll have to change many things in future developments. My prediction is, We are going to be forced to swallow a series of little filler events where Kite acts like a Badass, father figure and guardian in order to build what we already should know. "Kite looks out for Gon"

Further on my predictions I say there are only two parts where this can be possible

kronoxS said:

Tho' you can't deny the whole point of using Accompany and getting to Kite instead of Ging was meant to be a Twist in the story, one that didn't have any kind of impact by changing these things. :D

kronoxS said:
Good points Zoleth. I acknowledge you're correct.
Tho' you can't deny the whole point of using Accompany and getting to Kite instead of Ging was meant to be a Twist in the story, one that didn't have any kind of impact by changing these things.

I hope you and MH can prove me wrongin future episodes :D

kronoxS said:
I put the 99 version in a golden pedestal, so sue me haha

fanimanga said:

fanimanga said:

Here we are again with entitled 99 fans. It's ironic you put the flawed 99 version in a "golden pedestal" despite it having numerous changes to the source material AND even contradicted it's own universe and when MH does it only twice (as of now) which did not contradicted it's own universe, it's unacceptable and made the whole arc ruined? What is logic?

Mikasa said:
What? I'm not talking about that -.- I'm talking about how will they portray the rest of the story regarding kite].

DateYutaka said:

they wont change it cuase the higher up say do not [ that was the point of what i said

Mikasa said:


Why would they not say so? The change itself didn't affect the ratings, it has nothing to do with ratings, we're talking about the narrative.

DateYutaka said:


if they Change the Narative that Viewers are used too and like that will cause ratings to Tank im sorry but it will

tsudecimo said:
Someone mind tell me what is the big fuss about ? what did they change from the manga to cause this little shit storm ?

Mikasa said:
If they don't fix it, it'll create inconsistencies.

IntroverTurtle said:
While in the 2011 version they showed that he saved Gon but not the dropping of the hunter card or talking about his father, meaning how did he learn about his father and hunters if Kite never told him.

Hybridbloodszak said:


Ignoring the manga and looking at the reboot only, probably from Mito based off context clues and dialogue from episode 1 and the Whale Island mini arc. The "That's not how it was in the manga though Mito would NEVER DO THAT" argument is irrelevant seeing as how Madhouse wasn't afraid to alter the story so Kite's little relevance to the overall plot until the Chimera Ant arc was gone completely in the anime. He still saves Gon from Foxbears in the past, He still has the conversation(albeit years later)

In the 2011 anime's universe, I think it's pretty plausible Gon was curious* and Mito told him but didn't want him to leave to find Ging so they still made the deal to catch the giant fish. Still unknown at this time but the important thing that Madhouse kept was Gon wants to find Ging which is the focal point of the show after all, not Kite.

Nothing is a plot hole until the ink is dried, all this speculation is only going to cause more worries than necessary. I understand some manga readers don't like how this particular aspect is a tiny bit different from the manga and they have the right to not like the change but hasn't Madhouse earned the benefit of the doubt? I'm going to wait and see how this all plays out before making any opinions about this myself

Edit: Also you have to look at this from an anime only viewer's perspective. This is the first time they've seen Kite so seeing his character fleshed out the way Madhouse did makes sense since this is his introduction after all and it's only going to continue in the coming weeks seeing Gon and Kite connect even more.

*Been stated many times Gon's openness to the world is his most terrifying trait. EX: Zepile, Bisky

jimbob1141 said:
What was the contradiction in the 99 anime? i haven't watched it all so i don't know :P

kronoxS said:
Logic? When you think about it a little there isn't really any logic behind my point. It's just enjoyment factor.

Either you enjoy something or you don't. As for the 99' version i really enjoyed it before even reading the manga 'cause it gave multiple layers to every character. Layers that I was kinda dissapointed when i found out they were filler content. And that's why I like the 99' version. The animation and analytic pace had a distinct charm.

I'm not a manga purist by any means, but if a change harms my enjoyment factor, and makes the story hard to swallow, then for me ( and for others) it's gonna feel like a bad change

Not trying to be an smartass over here btw xD

mrbryce said:
gosh they managed to mess with the most expected episode. i really hate the feeling of the 2011 anime. gon and killua seem like such spoiled brats. kite wasnt good looking to begin with but here he s drawn like crap. It doesnt make sense that they portray (really, they couldnt come up with anything better than Leorio's home town)?? and then maybe they plan to ditch that ark and thats why they fitted that stupid ant nest into the reunion scene.

gedata said:
I trust Madhouse, you guys should too.

fanimanga said:

Don't even bother watching the old series. You'll only get confused with the way the characters act. My biggest pet peeve with Furuhashi (99 main director) is that the man actually doesn't understand or blatantly disregard the original author's concept/vision in favor of melodrama and the good guys defeating evil/bad guys concept. Just ask any RK fans. Even the RK mangaka expressed distaste with how that director handled his series.


Oh? Hate to break it to you, boy, you're being a smartass and obviously backpedaling now that someone called out your shit.

Killua1102 said:


This. Seriously, Madhouse is doing an incredible job with this. Have faith!