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Han-yuu said: Am i missing something here or Kubo forgot about his own story? Quincies are teachings. right? Tell me, teachings can be inherited? and please don't tell me, now there are different forms of quincies. And what was that "We've reached the limit, let's return" thing.. At-least show us RG entering the SS and Qunicies retreating because of strategy and NOT this stupid handicap. antonnn said: Watch, next thing he's going to actually be the Spirit King's successor and he never knew it. QFT. Teaching can't be inherited but a clan can have an affinity to something. If you are the decendant of a lineage of shinigami you might more inclined to that than to being a quincy. The opposite hold true. Still both can be learned by any spiritually aware human. |
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| *sigh* Seems like Kubo wished a lot when he was a child so he is now fulfilling that through imaginary characters. Let's see what Ichigo will be part of next... |
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| so ichigos mom was a playa. mmkay. |
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| And Ishida is going to be ichigo's brother. The plot twists in this series are so bad. >.< |
| Wow, I was kind of mind blown. It's amazing how everything about Bleach can be represented as one person; Ichigo. No wonder he's the main character. Anyway I'm hoping to see what is revealed next week~! |
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thehiddenshinobi said: j0x said: sMug said: That makes zero sense. The massacre happened 200 years ago. But let's forget that. You're saying Isshin shot a getsuga at a BABY, failed, decided to raise him instead and got his powers stripped and banned to earth for it, found his mother and took her with him but not before she got her powers stripped too? i just made that story up out of whim, its not gonna be like that but im sure Ichigo is an Evolved Quincy that ABSORBS powers, he absorbed powers like Shinigami+Hollow+Fullbring+etc sMug said: Actually what I'm thinking now is that the woman Ichigo remembers might not be his real mother but just a normal human Isshin picked up on earth. nah it has zero associations to the hints presented so far I'm sorry, but your little hypothesis has zero associations to the hints presented so far. Where the hell are we getting this absorbing powers stuff from, and "evolved Shinigami". Ichigo is Rogue from the X-Men dude. He's probably related to Juha Bach by some extent, but not enough for him be his son, no way. That wouldn't explain the whole Karin, Yuzu stuff. He is a pokemon and he evolves into a quincy/shinigami hybrid at level 100. |
Arch1eviathanOct 31, 2012 10:42 AM
Inarius said: holy fuck, Aizen knew about it from the start....it's all starting to make sense now, why Isshin stopped him and all >:3! lol @ all the people that are still in denial about it also lol that you're completely missing the big picture. from this chapter, Juha is Ichigo's father....the fact that Ichigo is part quincy as well proves it. HOWEVER, his quincy part comes his mother because Juha himself was a shinigami before being a quincy (no quincy can live over a thousand years people, get it through your head already...it's common sense) Look at these panels where Ichigo asks if Juha is the "enemy" Take a look at lord toofsy's reaction....he obviously knew that Ichigo had his facts wrong Also Juha was planning on using words alone to convince him cause after all, he didn't want to hurt his own son. This is further confirmed by toofsy's face reaction when Juha stabbed Ichigo's neck...basically he couldn't believe Bach would do that to his own son. Bach looked more like he was in pain when he stabbed his neck and he left him alive so even if his powers didn't awaken he would still survive the trip to the castle so it wasn't a fatal wound (yeah right, a stab to the throat isn't a fatal wound...oh bleach) But the biggest hits are from the latest chapter His last words, "my son...born in darkness" It means that Ichigo grew up without knowing shit about his real lineage, so he grew up in a world of lies. This also explains why Bach also went to Aizen since Aizen was prob there when Ichigo was born I always wondered why doesn't Isshin go to SS and after reading this chapter I think that he's a traitor....not in the king's eyes but in the eyes of SS's higher-ups. This is what I think happened. Remember that 'pure blood' bs grand fisher was spouting about? Well, I think that even tho shinigami and quincy are teachings, one can be born with quincy OR shinigami blood based on what teaching the soul mastered. As the soul trains, its reiatsu adapts to the teaching in question so if the soul trains in the quincy arts, it'll have quincy reiatsu and if it trains in the shinigami arts, it'll have shinigami reiatsu. That much we know but Bach mentioned something else. So from what Bach was saying, a person can be born a quincy or a shinigami if the father or mother in question mastered the quincy or the shinigami arts since the reiatsu in the genetic material stores itself in the fetus at a DNA level resulting in that child being born with quincy 'blood' or shinigami 'blood' a.k.a 'pure' blood. So based on that if Ichigo's mother was a quincy and the father would be a random human, he would of been born half quincy half human If both parents were quincy, he would have 100% quincy blood (pure blood) In this case Ichigo is born from a quincy and shinigami so he's a hybrid BUT he's still considered 'pure' because his parents were 'pure' bloods and not souls that recently mastered the quincy/shinigami arts. It might be a loooooooooooooooong shot but here's my pov. Bach was the former soul king and was a shinigami by birth. Lord toofsy (Haschwald) was his right hand so that also makes him a shinigami. Along the way Bach fell in love with Ichigo's mother (who was a quincy) and Bach got her pregnant Isshin was part of Bach's royal guard (either his personal guard or a member of squad zero) Somewhere along the lines, news that Bach got Masaki spread and the higher-ups (central 46 most prob) saw their child as an 'abomination' (because they feared the power it would harbor) so they ordered it to be terminated. This didn't sit well with Bach who protested and shit and it got out of hand and before you knew it war broke down on the quincy and shinigami At some point the higher-ups decided to 'relieve' Bach of his duties as 'king' and ordered squad zero to assassinate him. Squad zero stormed the castle at which point Bach had to make a decision. He prob ordered Isshin to look after Masaki and make sure no harm comes to her while he and a few other loyal member made their way somewhere else. That's why Aizen kept saying that the throne is vacant because there currently is no king in SS The IT that Aizen and Urahara were talking about is prob an abomination or something along those lines that act's like a stabilizing agent so that the boundaries don't collapse on each-other. I really don't know how Aizen fits into the picture...he prob learned of his birth or was there when it happened...i dunno. Bach most likely learned the quincy teachings after falling in love with Masaki That makes no sense, because if Masaki was in love with Juha, why would she screw Isshin and have two more kids with him? Oh, and marry him too. |
| un. basically Ichigo is the one that i was as a kid- when i couldnt decide which xmen in marvel universe i would be i usually got all of known powers. but kubo, i was five at that time... |
phalenechan said: LOL xD.un. basically Ichigo is the one that i was as a kid- when i couldnt decide which xmen in marvel universe i would be i usually got all of known powers. but kubo, i was five at that time... |
KuroNoKenshi said: Teaching can't be inherited but a clan can have an affinity to something. If you are the decendant of a lineage of shinigami you might more inclined to that than to being a quincy. The opposite hold true. Still both can be learned by any spiritually aware human. That's not affinity.. right? JB said "When kirge riatsu reached the depth of your soul, It awakened the memories of your riatsu from it's very roots".. I think that's not possible because of affinity. Can you please post a reference where it was said that anyone can become quincy and it's not race thing. Because... Candor said: The Quincy is a teaching thing was made up by the fans. This look more like the truth. I remember asking the reference in one of previous topic sometime ago but no one provide me. I had this feeling about quincy being teaching is made up. Unless someone provide a reference. |
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| Masaki being the mother-quincy is something like Tobi in Naruto. Anyway - training arc, anyone? Can't wait to see Ishida's reaction. ... ... Damn, can't imagine Ichigo with those quincy powers though. Arrow doesn't suit him :( Still waiting for Aizen~! |
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Kitsu-nee said: Still waiting for Aizen~! Same here! Got goosebumps when Aizen saved Ichigo indirectly xD Loved that part |
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| In my opinion the father of Ichigo is a shinigami and his mother was a quincy .. and he is a fusion of the two |
| I'm hoping that he's not actually Ichigo's dad and meant something else by that. Otherwise... I'll feel so trolled >_>; Puty said: phalenechan said: LOL xD.un. basically Ichigo is the one that i was as a kid- when i couldnt decide which xmen in marvel universe i would be i usually got all of known powers. but kubo, i was five at that time... |
| Lol, what!? I stopped reading Bleach after Fullbring but found myself wanting to read this last arc. What is this, rofl!? So now Ichigo is a mix of every power possible in Bleach? Next thing y'know Ichigo will become god. We'll hear some bs about how Ichigos family has been monitoring the world for ages and he is next in line as God. Rofl, this is just too much. Tired of these random ass characters coming and appearing stronger when just seconds ago there was someone who everyone feared. 1. There is no doubt about who Ichigo was. If he wasn't Ichigos father, he probably would've explained this to Ichigo back during Aizen arc. It also makes no sense that he never told Ichigo anything about his mother. I mean, im sure he would've grown curious after finding out his dad is a shinigami... 2. Yamamoto is dead ( Unless we get some bs with Yamato coming out of no where saying, "You cannot kill me fool, you are 1000 years too early boy") So... What? Is Ichigo the next head of the gotei 13? Rofl. |
AnimePoopOct 31, 2012 4:01 PM
Kitsu-nee said: ... Damn, can't imagine Ichigo with those quincy powers though. Arrow doesn't suit him :( Bach is quite happy using a sword. Kirge's weapon was a rapier. And Ichigo is already shooting stuff from his sword. He has been his entire time as shinigami. thehiddenshinobi said: Masaki can't possibly be Uryuu's Dad's sister if she's Juha's daughter, Uryuu's grandfather was experimented on by Mayuri: remember? If she is a sister-in-law yes she can. Its far too early to make a true assumption since there's way too much information missing. Ryuuken is obvious connected in SOME way (former fiance? brother? cousin?) because that's the only way, that one can, after the current revelation, explain Isshin and Ryuuken hanging around, as well as Ryuuken holding a grudge. |
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| meh.. his sword was broken so easy |
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| Waiting for it to be revealed that Ichigo is the Spirit King, and part Oozaru, and the Sage of 6 Paths, and the bloody One Piece at the end of the New World! Super Special Snowflake Syndrome is a hell of a disease. All I want is a race or power that has nothing to do with Ichigo! Is that so wrong!? FUUUUUUUU- I'm really pissed. ftgyuhuiuit6ut67uiu6796gtyug7897gyiu |
Rizzle said: Waiting for it to be revealed that Ichigo is the Spirit King, and part Oozaru, and the Sage of 6 Paths, and the bloody One Piece at the end of the New World! Super Special Snowflake Syndrome is a hell of a disease. All I want is a race or power that has nothing to do with Ichigo! Is that so wrong!? FUUUUUUUU- I'm really pissed. ftgyuhuiuit6ut67uiu6796gtyug7897gyiu If Ichigo is connected to the soul king in a way or another then yes it might be too much to ask since the soul king is connected to everything. |
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| My speculation: Remember how Aizen told Ichigo: "You are half human, and half-" -Isshin appears- ? Obviously, the other half is Quincy here. But now you're thinking, how can that be possible? Where did part Shinigami go? Part Hollow? Ichigo's Quincy half would be due to his mother - Misaki being a Quincy. While Ichigo's human half would be his father - Isshin being a human. Isshin might have received his "Shinigami" powers from someone else, like Ichigo, making him "human". His Hollow side is not a matter of race, it was born from within himself. I probably had a lot more things to say, but I forgot them while I was typing this out. Lol. |
| I started to feel sorry for Ichigo. He didn't knew about his (current) father race, mother turn out special too. Some random guy told him about his father name and he got all worked up for nothing. He will probably learn about his relationship with soul king soon :) AND most importantly: If "My Son" turn out literal. Ichigo need to check his family tree first and then everything else. Any sane person would run away with that much complicated relationships and secrets for no reason. On a side note. I just checked Quincy and Races page on wikia.. Qunicy = Teachings was such a bluff, so is the shinigami. |
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Han-yuu said: I started to feel sorry for Ichigo. He didn't knew about his (current) father race, mother turn out special too. Some random guy told him about his father name and he got all worked up for nothing. He will probably learn about his relationship with soul king soon :) AND most importantly: If "My Son" turn out literal. Ichigo need to check his family tree first and then everything else. Any sane person would run away with that much complicated relationships and secrets for no reason. On a side note. I just checked Quincy and Races page on wikia.. Qunicy = Teachings was such a bluff, so is the shinigami. Don't believe anything form wiki. Urahara explained what Quincies are directly in the manga - spiritually aware humans who trained and developed techniques, similar to the ones the race of magic hunters used, to fight hollows. Then those techniques are taught from generation to generation. "quincy" is more of a clan/Religion. Like Sith or Jedi. So are shinigami. Its just that through years you can genetically pass affinities for certain spiritual techniques from generation to generation, which si very basic genetics since both teachings require you to manipulate your physiology in certain ways. |
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| Kubo just tore open my skull and raped my brain. He's got A LOT of explaining to do! |
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Raxsel said: My speculation: Remember how Aizen told Ichigo: "You are half human, and half-" -Isshin appears- ? Obviously, the other half is Quincy here. But now you're thinking, how can that be possible? Where did part Shinigami go? Part Hollow? Ichigo's Quincy half would be due to his mother - Misaki being a Quincy. While Ichigo's human half would be his father - Isshin being a human. Isshin might have received his "Shinigami" powers from someone else, like Ichigo, making him "human". His Hollow side is not a matter of race, it was born from within himself. I probably had a lot more things to say, but I forgot them while I was typing this out. Lol. that makes sense, i always thought that aizen meant shinigami but if he meant quincy, it could really fit together it could also explain why isshin might of left the soul society....but dam, kubo has a lot of explaining to do |
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| as i said in the last chapter discussion thread, i think it's actually ichigo's granddad |
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| Ichigo is most likely related to Juha Bach from his mother in some way. Also, Isshin is his real dad since Karin and Yuzu were born after Ichigo. Also, if people don't remember Isshin lost his power some how and gott them back after a while and we don't know why. My theory is that Ichigo mother lost her quincy power too just like Ishida dis but didn't get it back and that why she died to Grand Fisher. Something happen the past made both of Ichigo's parents lose their powers. Also, I think Isshin is in zero division or is a former member of zero division. |
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| So when does it get revealed that Ichigo is actually half-kubo as well? |
| Half-Kubo LOL, classic. Somebody was wondering how Aizen was able to effect Juha. If Aizen was aware of Ichigo since birth, and Juha has some relation to Ichigo, Aizen may potentially have met Juha in the past and revealed his Shikai to him with the thought in mind that they may be enemies at some point in the future. Wouldn't put it past Aizen's ability to have everything go according to his plan, lol. |
| Mommy revelation aside... sigh. How did Ichigo go from defeating a Hougyoku infused Aizen to getting his zanpaktou sliced in half by a Quincy? The power scale doesn't make sense anymore. How were the Quincy defeated in the first place if they are that strong? |
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| What if Juha Bach is father to Ichigo's mom and Uryuu's dad and Ichigo's mom are related? Like siblings? |
n10sity said: How did Ichigo go from defeating a Hougyoku infused Aizen to getting his zanpaktou sliced in half by a Quincy? He defeated him after FGT training, we don't know how much from that he has in himself. I believed that he's pretty strong too, buy now I'm confused like you. The power scale doesn't make sense anymore. How were the Quincy defeated in the first place if they are that strong? Well, it seems that they couldn't steal bankai in the past. Yama-ji defeated Bach, but for some reason couldn't kill him. The question is rather how Ishida is so weak compared to them because he is/was nowhere near that level. |
Puty said: n10sity said: How did Ichigo go from defeating a Hougyoku infused Aizen to getting his zanpaktou sliced in half by a Quincy? He defeated him after FGT training, we don't know how much from that he has in himself. I believed that he's pretty strong too, buy now I'm confused like you. The power scale doesn't make sense anymore. How were the Quincy defeated in the first place if they are that strong? Well, it seems that they couldn't steal bankai in the past. Yama-ji defeated Bach, but for some reason couldn't kill him. The question is rather how Ishida is so weak compared to them because he is/was nowhere near that level. It was mentionned how ruthless the old "division" was back at the creation of SS. Nothing comparable to how it is now with all these captain that were raised in a pseudo peace. Byakuya aknowledged himself that if a captain does not train, he'll grow weaker with time and that's pretty much logical. Thing is, Yamamoto probably grew much weaker. Not only is he weaker at heart after gaining many things to protect, his body and power grew weaker because since SS was in "peace" he hadn't any occasion to seriously train or fight. Yamamoto was at his peak when he created SS, about 1000 years from now. His power then is probably incomparable to his power now and it's pretty safe to assume that everyone else in his "division" was extremely strong too. Now SS is composed of a bunch of weakling, obviously the Quincy are able to put up a fight. About Ichigo, he became much weaker since he lost his power. He's very strong, probably at the peak of shinigami in everything but Kido but it's still much weaker than what he was against Aizen. Back when he destroyed mountain with only the pressure of a sword clash and when he wasn't affected by reiatsu; basically when he was on a higher plane than a shinigami. He regained his shinigami power but he has yet to demonstrate anything transcending ever since he regained his power. I assume that even though the reiatsu of all the gotei 13 captain forcibly reawakened Ichigo's power, all this reiatsu was still power on the same plane as a shinigami. His 'transcending' power still have yet to awaken. |
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ntHai said: So now that the (failed) "Rescue Arc" has ended. Is it time for a Training Arc? I could totally see this happening but at the same time i'm against it. Ichigo was such a bad ass earlier, By now, shouldn't he have already learned all the "important" lessons he gets out of every training? I swear, this just feels like a repeat of everything. KuroNoKenshi said: Puty said: n10sity said: About Ichigo, he became much weaker since he lost his power. He's very strong, probably at the peak of shinigami in everything but Kido but it's still much weaker than what he was against Aizen. Back when he destroyed mountain with only the pressure of a sword clash and when he wasn't affected by reiatsu; basically when he was on a higher plane than a shinigami. He regained his shinigami power but he has yet to demonstrate anything transcending ever since he regained his power. I assume that even though the reiatsu of all the gotei 13 captain forcibly reawakened Ichigo's power, all this reiatsu was still power on the same plane as a shinigami. His 'transcending' power still have yet to awaken. This is understandable but why is he still letting his emotions take over him? Just a while ago, he was this ba who was cutting mountains and was so chill. Now he's back to his old self who throws a tantrum every time he gets sudden news, like, the fuck? Ichigo has too many problems in his life. He needs to get his shit figured out. He's part Shinigami/Quincy/Human. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Urahara randomly turns out to be his dad and Isshin was just watching over Ichigo. His slut of a mother probably slept with all 3 guys and just didn't know who Ichigos dad was. SMFH |
Fai said: Han-yuu said: I just checked Quincy and Races page on wikia.. Qunicy = Teachings was such a bluff, so is the shinigami. Don't believe anything form wiki. Urahara explained what Quincies are directly in the manga - spiritually aware humans who trained and developed techniques, similar to the ones the race of magic hunters used, to fight hollows. Then those techniques are taught from generation to generation. "quincy" is more of a clan/Religion. Like Sith or Jedi. So are shinigami. Its just that through years you can genetically pass affinities for certain spiritual techniques from generation to generation, which si very basic genetics since both teachings require you to manipulate your physiology in certain ways. First, Can you tell me chapter number where Urahara explained about quincy. Second, If you're right then it's more like a plot hole. Getting some traits from your family members is fine and its okay if quincies get spirtual pressure and become special humans, they get more stamina or abilities to hold-on. I won't mind if Ishida can't do blut in whole manga, while ichigo can do it but seriously awakened it? While knowing nothing about it and he didn't even realized what happened. He thought his normal riatsu protected him. If it's not a power born with you, something like bloodline limit then what it is? Oh and please calling it affinity is like saying "He suddenly learned how to fight because each one of his clan member is martial artist since sengoku-era". Blut is a special technique we learned about 20 chapters ago and Ichigo suddenly awakened it because of Affinity. Well. Talk about being genius aside, now he can awaken special techniques other need to learn. Yeah. sounds right. So After his main battle with Juha Bach. Let's see what else can he awaken to take down soul king. Poor Ishida. He never able to awaken any techniques. First time he lost his all powers to take down one enemy and second time four on one need to be saved by that same enemy. |
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KuroNoKenshi said: Thing is, Yamamoto probably grew much weaker. Not only is he weaker at heart after gaining many things to protect, his body and power grew weaker because since SS was in "peace" he hadn't any occasion to seriously train or fight. Not necessarily, he might be 'weak in heart' already when he first fought Bach - and that's why he didn't deliver finishing blow/let him escape back then. We will probably see it in traditional flashback after Bach'll get defeated and we'll learn that he was just misunderstood and overall good guy ;). Yamamoto was at his peak when he created SS, about 1000 years from now. His power then is probably incomparable to his power now and it's pretty safe to assume that everyone else in his "division" was extremely strong too. Again, it's not so simple. We only know tht the originals were more brutal. But who knows, maybe they are 0th Division now? Older generations isn't always stronger - Zaraki killed ex-Kenpachi for example. I assume that even though the reiatsu of all the gotei 13 captain forcibly reawakened Ichigo's power, all this reiatsu was still power on the same plane as a shinigami. His 'transcending' power still have yet to awaken. I know, but how many times we have to see that Ichigo is special? I mean, yes, we get it, he is capable of doing things that no one can. Kubo so overdid that it really feels awkward when you think about the other characters. |
| This real spoiler could be Ichigo's mother is a quincy and Ichigo's father is a shinigami. Also Aizen tell to Ichigo that he a half shinigami and half quincy check the past manga. This my first theory but the new theory spoiler whom among the two true father of Ichigo. Isshin or Juga Bach |
Kier_SR19Nov 5, 2012 6:22 AM
| gets crappier each chapter sigh - whats ichigo going to be next.. a super saiyan? |
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