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| wtf.... this is really confusing...? |
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| I think "son" isn't literal here. Isshin must be ichigo's real dad because ichigo pretty much inherited his zapakuto abilities from isshin(they both use getsuga). Bach's been around from a couple thousand years so it could be that he is progenitor of all the current quincies and ichigo's ancestor. Also it seems that Aizen is somewhat acquainted with Bach. They might have both been keeping tabs on ichigo's growth process into becoming the super soul hybrid he is now. |
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| Glad to know that Juha/Zangetsu similarity might as well not be random. Still, I always thought that Ishin and Ichigo kinda looked alike, unlike some other situations where the father and the son in anime are nothing similar. Guess I was wrong. Well, nvm, Ishin will give Ichigo a headbut and tell him you are my son, then Ichigo will say to Juha you're not my father, kill him and all's well. |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| the plot thickens... |
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| Man................................................... Ichigo must have a really f***** up supernatural family tree |
Mikasa said: Gayest chapter ever. Ichigo is Manbearpig. Worse than Tobito. I knew u would troll. LMFAO Obito being Tobi is the biggest disappointment in all the big 3. |
| I don't understand why you people are so negative about Ichigo development. Worst that can happen is Ichigo gaining Vollstandig in the form of FGT. What was great about FGT is the way Ichigo looked. He had black long hair like Zangetsu. Now those black hair come for few other people like Isshin, Kaien and Bach. Aizen might be interested in Ichigo even more now and be willing to join his side in the battle against Bach and Zero Squad (Shinigami). Ichigo going another level higher isn't as stupid as Naruto power up's. From a few chapters now everytime Naruto has to say something he sounds like an idiot. The battle is over and now hopefully we will learn more about Ichigo and move on with the plot. |
| Once again with comparisons. I take it that is your idea of true critisicm..So if Naruto didn't exist in the first place then you would have nothing to back up your opinion(have you ever thought of it that way?). I just hope that Blut Vene being constantly activated since the begining of the manga (and therefore Ichigo's offensive being deteriorated) won't be the way Ichigo actually manages to power up. |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| Best part of this chapter was the mention of "Aizen Sousuke". At this rate, he'll make my top 10 lol. Everything else has been predicted by many for years. Let's see what Juha meant by "my son", he's not Ichigo's "blood" father, no way. |
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| So... Ichigo's a quincy. Wow. Didn't see that one coming. I was expecting Ishida to be a big part of this arc, seeing as he WAS the only quincy out of all the main characters, but I guess I was wrong. Ichigo certainly is one for the history books. How can one person be a Shinigami, a quincy and a visored (well I guess WAS a visored)? Curious to see how this is going to play out... |
| ^Ishida WILL play a big role. On the coloured pages at the begining of the arc he was the central figure. This arc will be huge so don't be hasty to say that. ;) |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
Kanic said: Once again with comparisons. I take it that is your idea of true critisicm..So if Naruto didn't exist in the first place then you would have nothing to back up your opinion(have you ever thought of it that way?). I just hope that Blut Vene being constantly activated since the begining of the manga (and therefore Ichigo's offensive being deteriorated) won't be the way Ichigo actually manages to power up. No just that people complain about Ichigo power up's so I pointed that Naruto shares the same fate. It comes in similar form in Fairy Tail too (power of friendship). Power ups come in different shapes and forms. Ichigo power ups are not as out of proportion yet as let's say Naruto - but then they live in much different worlds. In a way you are right - comparison of the two is stupid. If Naruto wasn't made then I would think of a way to compare Ichigo to Gohan or maybe Natsu. I'm looking forward to learn more about Ichigo mom and father and what their past were before Ichigo was in plans. :D Next part: I got the same feeling that it could have been Blut Vene that saved Ichigo from being cut in half when he had his first little battle with Aizen. I don't think Ichigo was affected by his Quincy power up till the imprisonment in Kirge's jail. Maybe the first time Ichigo got close to his Quincy side was when he used FGT. FGT being the equivalent of Vollstanding but that was probably purely Shinigami power. Next few chapters should be interesting ^_^ |
SleepnDreamn said: Ichigo power ups are not as out of proportion yet as let's say Naruto - but then they live in much different worlds. In a way you are right - comparison of the two is stupid. If Naruto wasn't made then I would think of a way to compare Ichigo to Gohan or maybe Natsu. Which is also wrong :S. What matters is not the out of proportion stuff, but how everything is delivered to the reader. E.g.: Ichigo spent some time in a jail->powerup. Explanation? Reiatsu memory. It seems to me that the whole battle system bends itself so that even Ichigo's breathing powers him up. I'm not hating, for I have accepted such truth long ago. I'm just trying to show you that you should critisise a story without banking on other examples (unless the other examples have an incredible number of similarities in the setting/story, in which case ,Gohan/Natsu/Naruto all fail to compare with Ichigo and each other in general). SleepnDreamn said: I'm looking forward to learn more about Ichigo mom and father and what their past were before Ichigo was in plans. :D Patience. SleepnDreamn said: Next part: I got the same feeling that it could have been Blut Vene that saved Ichigo from being cut in half when he had his first little battle with Aizen. I don't think Ichigo was affected by his Quincy power up till the imprisonment in Kirge's jail. Maybe the first time Ichigo got close to his Quincy side was when he used FGT. FGT being the equivalent of Vollstanding but that was probably purely Shinigami power. Next few chapters should be interesting ^_^ I'm confused. You consider FGT as Quincy or as Shinigami powers? You say that FGT might be ichigo's Volsatdig but on the other hand you say that it is pure Shinigami !? I think it's the latter. |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| So disappointing. Kubo just can't break out of the same damned stereotypes that he's been using the entire time (see: every fucking fight in the manga), and now he pulls a Darth Vader? Not an original bone in his body. The manga was actually interesting again for a short while, but ever since the end of the Yamamoto fight it's gone down the drain once again. He's so scared to break out of his stereotypes, and you guys just keep lapping it up. |
Mikasa said: Gayest chapter ever. Ichigo is Manbearpig. Worse than Tobito. I concur. |
madsweeney said: He's so scared to break out of his stereotypes, and you guys just keep lapping it up. No, we simply keep on reading, just like you do, just like you will the next week. Understand "your majesty"? |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| I wasn't really expecting it, I thought Ichigo's mother was the important one here, never thought he was another man's son or anything, so i'm ok with that, what I disliked was the fact that he is a quincy. It might be because I just love Ishida and the fact that he's the only quincy in the team, so Ichigo turning out to be a quincy too and the fact that his 'father' is the king of quincys or something like that makes me angry because Ishida is no longer special, and that just sucks ass, at least for me. |
| o snap. u dont talk about my momma son. my mind is literraly ufll of fuck right now and its not because of my chemistry work |
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Kanic said: I would like to believe that but i don't think it's going to happen as it should. Orihime and Chad got the same hype in the arrancar and fullbring arc respectively but in the end neither of them got much screen time or character development. It seems like whenever one of ichigo's friends is about to play a bigger part in the manga ichigo steals their spot light and they are forgotten again.^Ishida WILL play a big role. On the coloured pages at the begining of the arc he was the central figure. This arc will be huge so don't be hasty to say that. ;) |
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kizu-kun said: Kanic said: I would like to believe that but i don't think it's going to happen as it should. Orihime and Chad got the same hype in the arrancar and fullbring arc respectively but in the end neither of them got much screen time or character development. It seems like whenever one of ichigo's friends is about to play a bigger part in the manga ichigo steals their spot light and they are forgotten again.^Ishida WILL play a big role. On the coloured pages at the begining of the arc he was the central figure. This arc will be huge so don't be hasty to say that. ;) +1 but I think not in this arc. Kirge the Jailor left a hint behind concerning Ishida's potential. As for Chad and Inoue,...forget them XD, and just accept that Inoue will sometimes pop up to heal people left and right. |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| what the heck is going on ?! |
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Belgian_Waffles said: I swear, Kubo must read message boards to get ideas I think both Kubo and Kishimoto do that. LMAO |
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| Awesome chapter! It was so surprising at the end. I don't think Ichigo is his son, but they might be related. |
| "My son.." .... what the fuck? If Ichigo turns out to be his son, I lost all hope for Bleach. I also call bullshit that why does Ichigo gets everything? Firstly, he has Shinigami powers, secondly he has Hollow Transformation, thirdly, Fullbring, now Quincy? I call OP Hax. But the good thing is, that they left quite a nice cliffhanger, I wonder what he meant of the last speech bubble, and who is Ichigo's mother, possibly a Quincy. |
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Kanic said: Which is also wrong :S. What matters is not the out of proportion stuff, but how everything is delivered to the reader. E.g.: Ichigo spent some time in a jail->powerup. Explanation? Reiatsu memory. It seems to me that the whole battle system bends itself so that even Ichigo's breathing powers him up. I'm not hating, for I have accepted such truth long ago. I'm just trying to show you that you should critisise a story without banking on other examples (unless the other examples have an incredible number of similarities in the setting/story, in which case ,Gohan/Natsu/Naruto all fail to compare with Ichigo and each other in general). That was hinted at before: 1. Ichigo can recognize reiatsu and whom it belongs to and what type it is. 2. He can figure out person's character and feelings from a prolonged contact with it. So prolonged exposure to quincy reiatsu would most likely trigger something in his subconscious that his conscious part of the brain forgot - like his mother's reiatsu signature or nature, for example. Let's also not forget that fullbring basics are very reminiscent of quincy, so Ichigo is in unique state of instinctively already knowing something similar to quincy techniques (since we know that fullbring powers will have huge importance in this arc) kizu-kun said: Kanic said: I would like to believe that but i don't think it's going to happen as it should. Orihime and Chad got the same hype in the arrancar and fullbring arc respectively but in the end neither of them got much screen time or character development. It seems like whenever one of ichigo's friends is about to play a bigger part in the manga ichigo steals their spot light and they are forgotten again.^Ishida WILL play a big role. On the coloured pages at the begining of the arc he was the central figure. This arc will be huge so don't be hasty to say that. ;) Ishida will play a big role. Pretty much half the chapters of this arc were all about "awww Ishida did not use his full potential, hype hype hype hype". |
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| Lol, Aizen saved Ichigo (indirectly) :P |
Kanic said: I'm confused. You consider FGT as Quincy or as Shinigami powers? You say that FGT might be ichigo's Volsatdig but on the other hand you say that it is pure Shinigami !? I think it's the latter. Source of first FGT was Ichigo Shinigami side. Now with some training of his Quincy powers he will be able to use FGT form as his Vollstanding. FGT on demand and without the risk of loosing his powers afterwards would make Ichigo pretty strong. Will Ichigo revert back to his Shikai or will his Bankai become the new stage 0 power? You people have some crazy ideas about Ichigo being living Quincy medalion and having hyper absorbing powers. Would be even more crazy if Ichigo absorbed Hougyoku power to weaken Aizen and let him be sealed. If Ichigo was SternRitter and his letter was A (absorption) what name would he have? Hope next week can come faster and that Kubo will start moving plot forward and not just create more questions. |
| Bach: Ichigo, you are a quincy.....so is your mother..... me: LOL i knew it! Bach: Ichigo, I am your father.... me: NO FUCKING WAY!!!! |
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| Shit just got real. Kubo trolling like a boss~ |
Fai said: Thats the problem... he hypes up the characters but we never get to see them in action. In the fullbring arc we saw Chad go through a brutal training session in order to grow stronger and possibly gain a new level of power. In the end ichigo is the one who gets all the power ups and development while chad is out cold on the sidelines. The whole arc centered around the nature of fullbring and the one main character,who turned out to be a fullbringer from the start, had virtually no role in the plot. He also learns nothing about himself nor does he make better use of his power after he learns the nature of his abilities.kizu-kun said: Kanic said: I would like to believe that but i don't think it's going to happen as it should. Orihime and Chad got the same hype in the arrancar and fullbring arc respectively but in the end neither of them got much screen time or character development. It seems like whenever one of ichigo's friends is about to play a bigger part in the manga ichigo steals their spot light and they are forgotten again.^Ishida WILL play a big role. On the coloured pages at the begining of the arc he was the central figure. This arc will be huge so don't be hasty to say that. ;) Ishida will play a big role. Pretty much half the chapters of this arc were all about "awww Ishida did not use his full potential, hype hype hype hype". I really want ishida to play a bigger roll in the story but from how things have gone in the past he will most likely get overshadowed by ichigo. Especially if ichigo learns to use the same abilities as him... |
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| wait what? what training did chad go through? |
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| I hope Ichigo'll go and talk with Aizen,and he tells him about Isshin&Masaki. |
| Knew Ichigo's mother is probably Quincy, but why would Bach call him son?.Im really curious, and hoping for an explanaition soon.I would love to hear it from Aizen xD hes such a troll. |
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| So Jura Bach is Ichigo's maternal grandfather. Basically, he inherited his shinigami and quincy powers from his father and mother sides respectively ( Insert captain obvious remark ) ... that's some major bloodline. Tite Kubo finally decided to quit stalling and did something decent for a change. 10/10 |
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kizu-kun said: In the fullbring arc we saw Chad go through a brutal training session in order to grow stronger and possibly gain a new level of power Zekken said: wait what? what training did chad go through? I forgot that as well. Honestly, now that kizu has mentioned it I only have the impression that it did happen but I don't remember a single panel/quote from Chad saying I'm training with the Xcutions |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
Kanic said: kizu-kun said: In the fullbring arc we saw Chad go through a brutal training session in order to grow stronger and possibly gain a new level of power Zekken said: wait what? what training did chad go through? I forgot that as well. Honestly, now that kizu has mentioned it I only have the impression that it did happen but I don't remember a single panel/quote from Chad saying I'm training with the Xcutions Yeah, he did train but he always trained alone. They set up his own room but everything else is off screen. All we can really assume is he got stronger, but we never really get to see that in the Fullbring arc since the whole mind-fuck screwed with him and Orihime's heads, but no we don't actually "see" Chad go through some brutal training. We just know that he did training off-screen. Depends on what you think it means to train with Xcution, I mean they set him up a game training room but he did all his training alone. So in a way he did get help from Xcution for a suitable environment to get stronger, but everything else was all up to Chad. |
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Ragix said: Kanic said: kizu-kun said: In the fullbring arc we saw Chad go through a brutal training session in order to grow stronger and possibly gain a new level of power Zekken said: wait what? what training did chad go through? I forgot that as well. Honestly, now that kizu has mentioned it I only have the impression that it did happen but I don't remember a single panel/quote from Chad saying I'm training with the Xcutions Yeah, he did train but he always trained alone. They set up his own room but everything else is off screen. All we can really assume is he got stronger, but we never really get to see that in the Fullbring arc since the whole mind-fuck screwed with him and Orihime's heads, but no we don't actually "see" Chad go through some brutal training. We just know that he did training off-screen. Depends on what you think it means to train with Xcution, I mean they set him up a game training room but he did all his training alone. So in a way he did get help from Xcution for a suitable environment to get stronger, but everything else was all up to Chad. Same with Inoue - Ginjou made sure to interrupt her when she was about to do some new technique (ala the second try after her reflecto-shield). Kubo seems to be saving up what they learned for the final war, imo. BlackSCREEN said: I hope Ichigo'll go and talk with Aizen,and he tells him about Isshin&Masaki. I would be very much amused on if Ichigo decided to free Aizen along the way. kizu-kun said: Fai said: Thats the problem... he hypes up the characters but we never get to see them in action. In the fullbring arc we saw Chad go through a brutal training session in order to grow stronger and possibly gain a new level of power. In the end ichigo is the one who gets all the power ups and development while chad is out cold on the sidelines. The whole arc centered around the nature of fullbring and the one main character,who turned out to be a fullbringer from the start, had virtually no role in the plot. He also learns nothing about himself nor does he make better use of his power after he learns the nature of his abilities.kizu-kun said: Kanic said: I would like to believe that but i don't think it's going to happen as it should. Orihime and Chad got the same hype in the arrancar and fullbring arc respectively but in the end neither of them got much screen time or character development. It seems like whenever one of ichigo's friends is about to play a bigger part in the manga ichigo steals their spot light and they are forgotten again.^Ishida WILL play a big role. On the coloured pages at the begining of the arc he was the central figure. This arc will be huge so don't be hasty to say that. ;) Ishida will play a big role. Pretty much half the chapters of this arc were all about "awww Ishida did not use his full potential, hype hype hype hype". I really want ishida to play a bigger roll in the story but from how things have gone in the past he will most likely get overshadowed by ichigo. Especially if ichigo learns to use the same abilities as him... Chad never got hyped. We know he has additional forms that Kubo might be saving for possible three-way war Between RG, VR and Ichigo's side(for the same reason we did not learn captain bankais yet and RG is coming already) Ishida was plain stated by Kirge to be way more powerful than him, implying that Ishida's family(and to extent Ichigo's if Ryuuken is Masaki's brother and Bach is his grandpa from mother's side) is special case in quincy powerlevels. So by idea, implication is that Ishida should be able to be as powerful as Ichigo. Chad never got that level of hype. |
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| Am i missing something here or Kubo forgot about his own story? Quincies are teachings. right? Tell me, teachings can be inherited? and please don't tell me, now there are different forms of quincies. And what was that "We've reached the limit, let's return" thing.. At-least show us RG entering the SS and Qunicies retreating because of strategy and NOT this stupid handicap. antonnn said: Watch, next thing he's going to actually be the Spirit King's successor and he never knew it. QFT. |
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lucariogx said: j0x said: what the fuck? Juha Bach is Ichigo's real father? lol I never see that coming... darth vader anyone? xD lool xD |
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| Waitwaitwaitwait That ending, I wasn't imagining that?! "my son"? Tell me Ichigo's having a flashback...! (o.o) |
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| Looking on the bright side here: we now can have Karin becoming a badass. If Tite does that, the manga is saved. |
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