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Jul 15, 2012 1:38 PM
#351
Shirtisred said: When does the next episode come out? In about a week lol |
Jul 15, 2012 1:47 PM
#352
PrometheusZero said: Would have been nice to see Diabel a bit more. He sounded like he was a major player of some sorts and then got killed in the same episode. Also, the notes people are making that instead of a guide book there was a beta tester information seller sounds good. May have to check out the LNs to read up on it! What the anime didn't show... Diabel was actually kinda a dick. If you ask me, his actual style was similar to how Kirito PRETENDED to act in his, "guess what, I'm a dick" speech. Diabel was partially behind the players vs. betas debacle and he was trying to buy Kirito's sword to assure that he would get the final hit on the first floor boss. He was really sneaky about everything too. In his attempt to buy Kirito's sword, he went through two proxies (Argo and the loud dude that hated betas). |
Jul 15, 2012 1:48 PM
#353
Tyrel said: How many episodes should <Red-nosed Reindeer> take in your opinion? Because on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sword_Art_Online_episodes it shows the first 5 titles for the episodes. 1. The World of Swords" 2. Beater 3.The Red-Nosed Reindeer 4. The Black Swordsman 5. A Murder Case in the Area Well, maybe 3 episodes as well. One episode to show Kirito's first meeting with Black Cats of the Full Moon guild, and their dungeoning adventures... 2nd episode to show Kirito's and Sachi's relationship. How they sleep in the same bed, to comfort each other and stuff. And probably end with Sachi's death. Then the 3rd episode which skips ahead to Kirito trying to get the resurrection item from the Christmas boss event, and end with the heart rending scene where Kirito was about to go on a suicidal run when his journey was all for naught as the resurrection item only worked on people whose duration of death was less than 10 seconds. Any later and it wouldn't work. Needless to say Sachi was dead for a few months... And so Kirito was about to go suicide by soloing each boss until he eventually died. What saved him was a letter that arrived in his item box which was made to arrive on Christmas... Commence tears But I can see it working out in one episode if they add occasional flash backs while Kirito does whatever hes doing that episode. |
Jul 15, 2012 1:49 PM
#354
MidnightPride said: Post-Josh said: What was with that ending? There's been literally nothing to suggest he's capable of putting on an act like that, regardless of his intensions it's just uncharacteristic. Also, being cold to the chick he was clearly drooling over? I don't know, it was just a weird end to a good episode. Kirito has one of those personalities that tend to lean on the cowardly side however just the same when something pushes him and, is backing him even if it wants to run away he will step forward. Just the way it works and, as for him leaving the girl behind it was pretty obvious kirito doesn't like to be in parties like he said he doesn't want peoples deaths on his hands. That doesn't explain it, but I guess they just executed it really poorly. The act was too convincing/too confident, his character (from how the first two episodes have gone for you LN'ers) would have at best timidly half assed it and been like "Yeah...it's my fault! Hate me I guess..." As for Asuna: He doesn't want death on his hands sure, but he also knows going alone isn't going to work, and he clearly wants to protect her, so he had no reason to push her away. I assume he'll come to that realization in the next episode, but that part just didn't do it for me. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Jul 15, 2012 1:58 PM
#355
Post-Josh said: MidnightPride said: Post-Josh said: What was with that ending? There's been literally nothing to suggest he's capable of putting on an act like that, regardless of his intensions it's just uncharacteristic. Also, being cold to the chick he was clearly drooling over? I don't know, it was just a weird end to a good episode. Kirito has one of those personalities that tend to lean on the cowardly side however just the same when something pushes him and, is backing him even if it wants to run away he will step forward. Just the way it works and, as for him leaving the girl behind it was pretty obvious kirito doesn't like to be in parties like he said he doesn't want peoples deaths on his hands. That doesn't explain it, but I guess they just executed it really poorly. The act was too convincing/too confident, his character (from how the first two episodes have gone for you LN'ers) would have at best timidly half assed it and been like "Yeah...it's my fault! Hate me I guess..." As for Asuna: He doesn't want death on his hands sure, but he also knows going alone isn't going to work, and he clearly wants to protect her, so he had no reason to push her away. I assume he'll come to that realization in the next episode, but that part just didn't do it for me. The best way to protect someone is to keep them far away. |
Jul 15, 2012 2:23 PM
#356
Not sure if serious. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Jul 15, 2012 2:29 PM
#357
kamikaze_1996 said: If that were the case, then he wouldn't have been able to use it at all. -.-DraconisMarch said: in some mmorpgs potions don't heal immediately but over a period time, you would need to get to higher levels to get potions that heal immediately, its the same for SAO he knew he was going to die, there was no way he could take 3 direct attacks from that boss and not have his life reduced to 0, kirito would have just wasted that valuable potion on him when he was already dead and considering he wanted him to fight that boss he needed it more than a deadman like himThat was a pointless-as-fuck sacrifice. He could've been healed but just said "no" for no reason. LOL. The best part of the show is definitely the music. Actually, probably the ONLY good part. |
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Jul 15, 2012 2:41 PM
#358
awesome but kirito acts like a boss, starting to losing his mind he needs to be careful, why disband party with a hot chick? :3 |
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Jul 15, 2012 3:06 PM
#359
Summary of episode. >Matter of life and death, refuses potions >People crying about beta testers >Jesus MC taking the blame so people won't fight >Asuna: Am I moe yet? |
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Jul 15, 2012 3:41 PM
#360
TK8 said: Shirtisred said: When does the next episode come out? Sadly, in 6 days Ugh >_> Thanks. :) |
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Jul 15, 2012 3:44 PM
#361
What confuses me a little is why are people mad about those who know more doing the best they can? I mean, it feels like it would make sense to try to support beta players because they cared enough to get into the beta in the first place and might have gained knowledge as a result. Wasn't the ruling that just anyone had to beat the 100th level to get released? Not that you personally have to beat that level to get out? It is probably just my passive nature but I would have been absolutely fine sitting back and trying to make things to help the more able people to get to 100. I guess there's the concern that they would get too comfortable? But how many people want to live out their lives in a game? |
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Jul 15, 2012 3:54 PM
#362
Yet another sweet episode! I haven't read the light novels (although I started the first today) so I can't really complain but from what I hear they put a big plot in a little episode. I think the episode was still well done and I like Asuna :3 To see my full review of this episode go here: http://animeordie.blogspot.com/2012/07/sword-art-online-212.html |
Jul 15, 2012 3:55 PM
#363
fiore777 said: What confuses me a little is why are people mad about those who know more doing the best they can? I mean, it feels like it would make sense to try to support beta players because they cared enough to get into the beta in the first place and might have gained knowledge as a result. Wasn't the ruling that just anyone had to beat the 100th level to get released? Not that you personally have to beat that level to get out? It is probably just my passive nature but I would have been absolutely fine sitting back and trying to make things to help the more able people to get to 100. I guess there's the concern that they would get too comfortable? But how many people want to live out their lives in a game? The thing is that a lot of people died in the first month. The non beta testers believed that with the extra knowledge the beta testers knew, those lives wouldn't need to be sacrificed. The beta testers could have guided the players instead of trying to be the first ones to get all the items to increase the chance of their own survival. But this episode was far too fast paced. I thought that first episode was done quite well, and the rest of the series would follow that pacing, but it looks like that was a false hope. The novel had far better characterization and more details about the game. |
Jul 15, 2012 4:22 PM
#364
Arkane said: Tyrel said: How many episodes should <Red-nosed Reindeer> take in your opinion? Because on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sword_Art_Online_episodes it shows the first 5 titles for the episodes. 1. The World of Swords" 2. Beater 3.The Red-Nosed Reindeer 4. The Black Swordsman 5. A Murder Case in the Area Well, maybe 3 episodes as well. One episode to show Kirito's first meeting with Black Cats of the Full Moon guild, and their dungeoning adventures... 2nd episode to show Kirito's and Sachi's relationship. How they sleep in the same bed, to comfort each other and stuff. And probably end with Sachi's death. Then the 3rd episode which skips ahead to Kirito trying to get the resurrection item from the Christmas boss event, and end with the heart rending scene where Kirito was about to go on a suicidal run when his journey was all for naught as the resurrection item only worked on people whose duration of death was less than 10 seconds. Any later and it wouldn't work. Needless to say Sachi was dead for a few months... And so Kirito was about to go suicide by soloing each boss until he eventually died. What saved him was a letter that arrived in his item box which was made to arrive on Christmas... Commence tears But I can see it working out in one episode if they add occasional flash backs while Kirito does whatever hes doing that episode. Blah if they crammed it all in one episode, I can't really see it working out great. I just hate the fact that it would be tons of flash backs and what not. |
Jul 15, 2012 4:25 PM
#365
JerichoxBarrons said: Yet another sweet episode! I haven't read the light novels (although I started the first today) so I can't really complain but from what I hear they put a big plot in a little episode. I think the episode was still well done and I like Asuna :3 To see my full review of this episode go here: http://animeordie.blogspot.com/2012/07/sword-art-online-212.html Shameless self-promotion. I don't blame you since there is so much activity here, but I just couldn't do it. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Jul 15, 2012 4:28 PM
#366
DraconisMarch said: kamikaze_1996 said: If that were the case, then he wouldn't have been able to use it at all. -.-DraconisMarch said: in some mmorpgs potions don't heal immediately but over a period time, you would need to get to higher levels to get potions that heal immediately, its the same for SAO he knew he was going to die, there was no way he could take 3 direct attacks from that boss and not have his life reduced to 0, kirito would have just wasted that valuable potion on him when he was already dead and considering he wanted him to fight that boss he needed it more than a deadman like himThat was a pointless-as-fuck sacrifice. He could've been healed but just said "no" for no reason. LOL. The best part of the show is definitely the music. Actually, probably the ONLY good part. ? don't you understand the switch method they used? while one party fights the boss, the other takes a potion and waits for their HP to recover, when it has recovered they switch again and repeat the process until the boss is defeated, it isn't useful for a 1v1 fight, but its fine for handicaps |
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Jul 15, 2012 4:32 PM
#367
BloodRequiem said: Summary of episode. >Matter of life and death, refuses potions >People crying about beta testers >Jesus MC taking the blame so people won't fight >Asuna: Am I moe yet? - I harken the potion refusal to Dark Souls; he's was dead before the hp bar reached 0 - yea, i read the LN. "beta tester" + "cheater" = "beater". It sounded stupid the first time too, so I don't understand why people are complnaing about the adaptation - Not really Jesus MC, more like Batman MC. *husky voice*"I killed those people, that's what I can be". Lol sorry, I just like to use that whenever I possibly can. - believe me, the way LN whiners are complaining about things getting cut out, had they gotten their way and everything was adapted, she would have been a lot more moe than she already is now. We're good with the way it is now |
Jul 15, 2012 4:39 PM
#368
SAO.... frivolous show with a preposterous premise, poor pacing, worse dailogue and brain dead characters who refuse to take potions to save their REAL life. Sword Art Online. |
FaiyezJul 15, 2012 4:45 PM
Jul 15, 2012 4:47 PM
#369
Post-Josh said: MidnightPride said: Post-Josh said: What was with that ending? There's been literally nothing to suggest he's capable of putting on an act like that, regardless of his intensions it's just uncharacteristic. Also, being cold to the chick he was clearly drooling over? I don't know, it was just a weird end to a good episode. Kirito has one of those personalities that tend to lean on the cowardly side however just the same when something pushes him and, is backing him even if it wants to run away he will step forward. Just the way it works and, as for him leaving the girl behind it was pretty obvious kirito doesn't like to be in parties like he said he doesn't want peoples deaths on his hands. That doesn't explain it, but I guess they just executed it really poorly. The act was too convincing/too confident, his character (from how the first two episodes have gone for you LN'ers) would have at best timidly half assed it and been like "Yeah...it's my fault! Hate me I guess..." As for Asuna: He doesn't want death on his hands sure, but he also knows going alone isn't going to work, and he clearly wants to protect her, so he had no reason to push her away. I assume he'll come to that realization in the next episode, but that part just didn't do it for me. Let me try to explain a bit about how Kiritos thoughts led him to that decision. He's already played the bad guy and decided to take on peoples hatred of beta testers single handedly. It goes w/out saying that anyone who associates him or herself w/ Kirito will also get an equal amount of hate and prejudice. He didn't want Asuna to be part of that thus he told her to find friends she can trust and form a guild. Something like "I alone am enough..." Oh and about the potion it could only boost passive healing by a small amount. There are no instaheal potions in SAO. Even the much coveted healing crystals only boost passive healing as well albeit at a much much faster rate than potions ever could. |
swordstriker21Jul 15, 2012 4:52 PM
Jul 15, 2012 4:55 PM
#370
This anime is getting better and better. the soundtrack is amazing it makes you feel like you r playing RPG Game. Does anyone knows how many episodes does this anime has or is it not been confirmed yet? |
Jul 15, 2012 4:57 PM
#371
It felt a bit rushed. Are they using all 25 episodes on SOA or will they cram ALO in to close the initial plot. Because if its SOA alone, 2 for Aria - 2 for Reindeer - 1 for Scilica/Liz/Yui would still leave plenty of episodes for the main plot to not feel rushed at all. |
Jul 15, 2012 4:59 PM
#372
Faiyez said: SAO.... frivolous show with a preposterous premise, poor pacing, worse dailogue and brain dead characters who refuse to take potions to save their REAL life. Sword Art Online. ..... You definitely didn't care searching for the answer to that potion question that has been discussed many times in this thread |
Jul 15, 2012 5:00 PM
#373
Out of curiosity, as a gamer, does his black cloak/coat provide any actual bonuses like resistance to fire (assuming there are non-magic fire attacks) or something? Or is like... it completely just fashion? |
Jul 15, 2012 5:03 PM
#374
Vizi_Reality said: Faiyez said: SAO.... frivolous show with a preposterous premise, poor pacing, worse dailogue and brain dead characters who refuse to take potions to save their REAL life. Sword Art Online. ..... You definitely didn't care searching for the answer to that potion question that has been discussed many times in this thread Don't worry about it. And don't feed the troll. Let it die starving. @Paul It's like lightweight armor w/ defense comparable to heavier versions. So adequate defense w/out hindering agility. It also has a rather large hiding bonus so he won't be noticed w/out a high level scout skill if he conceals himself. |
Jul 15, 2012 5:15 PM
#375
Paul said: Out of curiosity, as a gamer, does his black cloak/coat provide any actual bonuses like resistance to fire (assuming there are non-magic fire attacks) or something? Or is like... it completely just fashion? ill put it in a spoiler tag for you, -stealth bonus like all black attire (sneak+hide+) -unlike metal armor which is heavy, it is made of leather so its light and easy to move in but it provides lower defence ( agility+ defence-) it suits kirito who is mostly on the attack rather than the defence more info...... you will learn more about the coat later and how it relates to kirito's personality and taste, and how it becomes a part of who he is |
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Jul 15, 2012 5:22 PM
#376
swordstriker21 said: Post-Josh said: MidnightPride said: Post-Josh said: What was with that ending? There's been literally nothing to suggest he's capable of putting on an act like that, regardless of his intensions it's just uncharacteristic. Also, being cold to the chick he was clearly drooling over? I don't know, it was just a weird end to a good episode. Kirito has one of those personalities that tend to lean on the cowardly side however just the same when something pushes him and, is backing him even if it wants to run away he will step forward. Just the way it works and, as for him leaving the girl behind it was pretty obvious kirito doesn't like to be in parties like he said he doesn't want peoples deaths on his hands. That doesn't explain it, but I guess they just executed it really poorly. The act was too convincing/too confident, his character (from how the first two episodes have gone for you LN'ers) would have at best timidly half assed it and been like "Yeah...it's my fault! Hate me I guess..." As for Asuna: He doesn't want death on his hands sure, but he also knows going alone isn't going to work, and he clearly wants to protect her, so he had no reason to push her away. I assume he'll come to that realization in the next episode, but that part just didn't do it for me. Let me try to explain a bit about how Kiritos thoughts led him to that decision. He's already played the bad guy and decided to take on peoples hatred of beta testers single handedly. It goes w/out saying that anyone who associates him or herself w/ Kirito will also get an equal amount of hate and prejudice. He didn't want Asuna to be part of that thus he told her to find friends she can trust and form a guild. Something like "I alone am enough..." I understand that reasoning, but I think it's extremely faulty and that his character was smart enough to not do that/ not in that way. He had just finished being inspired by how that other beta tester had helped and led people, you'd assume he intended to do the same. He simply needed to diffuse the situation by speaking up, apologizing for not helping sooner, explaining logically how he knew the boss's "surprise" from the beta, and pledged to teach the other players what he knows/work with them to continue. It could have been the perfect "I'm young and crazy, but I'm the best leader we have" type speech. Instead defeating the boss went straight to his head and he wanted to be the hero. I just didn't see his character being taken over by those irrational thoughts so easily. He's our main hero, but there was nothing heroic or likable about that decision. Again, I'm assuming he reforms in a way, but I'll have to see. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Jul 15, 2012 5:27 PM
#377
Post-Josh said: swordstriker21 said: Post-Josh said: MidnightPride said: Post-Josh said: What was with that ending? There's been literally nothing to suggest he's capable of putting on an act like that, regardless of his intensions it's just uncharacteristic. Also, being cold to the chick he was clearly drooling over? I don't know, it was just a weird end to a good episode. Kirito has one of those personalities that tend to lean on the cowardly side however just the same when something pushes him and, is backing him even if it wants to run away he will step forward. Just the way it works and, as for him leaving the girl behind it was pretty obvious kirito doesn't like to be in parties like he said he doesn't want peoples deaths on his hands. That doesn't explain it, but I guess they just executed it really poorly. The act was too convincing/too confident, his character (from how the first two episodes have gone for you LN'ers) would have at best timidly half assed it and been like "Yeah...it's my fault! Hate me I guess..." As for Asuna: He doesn't want death on his hands sure, but he also knows going alone isn't going to work, and he clearly wants to protect her, so he had no reason to push her away. I assume he'll come to that realization in the next episode, but that part just didn't do it for me. Let me try to explain a bit about how Kiritos thoughts led him to that decision. He's already played the bad guy and decided to take on peoples hatred of beta testers single handedly. It goes w/out saying that anyone who associates him or herself w/ Kirito will also get an equal amount of hate and prejudice. He didn't want Asuna to be part of that thus he told her to find friends she can trust and form a guild. Something like "I alone am enough..." I understand that reasoning (as faulty as I think it is), I'm saying his character would not have done that/ not in that way. He had just finished being inspired by how that other beta tester had helped and led people, you'd assume he intended to do the same. He simply needed to diffuse the situation by speaking up, apologizing for not helping sooner, explaining logically how he knew the boss's "surprise" from the beta, and pledged to teach the other players what he knows/work with them to continue. Defeating the boss went straight to his head and he wanted to be the hero, I just didn't see his character being taken over by those irrational thoughts so easily. He's our main hero, but there was nothing heroic or likable about that decision. Again, I'm assuming he reforms in a way, but I'll have to see. Actually the by-play of his thoughts are explained quite differently in the original written text SS Aria of the Starless Night. Let's just say this scenario played out quite differently w/ different circumstances. If you want I can post an excerpt from said SS but does that count as a major spoil? If it does then I'll just suggest you read it for yourself. Shouldn't be that hard to find. |
Jul 15, 2012 5:36 PM
#378
^he could of tried that but there was no guarantee that they would believe him and with that guy who loathes beta's fueling the fire there was no chance they would listen, also kirito wanted to end the discrimination and distinction between the betas and the players, players would be relying on the betas waay too much because they would have in their head that betas are experts and if there is a problem they would blame for not helping kirito made the betas seem like noobs who are just like the players and that they have no real experience and that stopped the negativity towards them and now people wont bother them for advice, money etc.. or blame them for not helping, what he did was save most of the betas by sacrificing his own image |
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Jul 15, 2012 5:42 PM
#379
Kirito didn't make people hate beta testers on him as the beater. That's why he called beta testers scrubs in his eyes since he was the "beater" It changes the anger of the group from hating beta testers to hating the even worse beaters. |
Jul 15, 2012 5:44 PM
#380
Didn't know this ep caused such a shitstorm with novel readers. Uh, I'm not really sure why people are so mad, but as an anime only viewer I really enjoyed it and don't understand why some are so angry about this. If they're leaving out scenes - which happens in every adaptation - they got the main points here, as far as I can see. The guy dying failed to get emotions out of me, but it upped the stakes so that's fine. Also some of you need to chill the fuck out with the spoilers in here. AshtonClaude said: what I dislike from this series is the fact that there are many teenager player maybe around 14++ years old, but they all play like noobs, oh come on in 2022 most teenagers dont know how to play online game ? so weird it's still 1st floor and many players dead already, ( I mean die in game,.not die coz of the helmet being removed ) Uh, you'd really be shocked. When you're a really low level with crappy attacks, you might be caught off guard and die if confronted by a larger mob of monsters or you just simply may not be paying attention to your health/not quick enough to use a potion. It's happened to me before. Especially since these are people that know their LIFE is at risk so they're more nervous and probably aren't thinking straight. |
Jul 15, 2012 5:52 PM
#381
I don't have a say on the VN, but so far, all this show has done to catch people's attention is slapping RPG terms and life-bars to a generic fantasy storyline, (OMGZ0R!!1!.. DIS LIEK A REAL MMO!1!1!!) with bland character designs and animation just a little better than usual. |
Jul 15, 2012 5:55 PM
#382
swordstriker21 said: Actually the by-play of his thoughts are explained quite differently in the original written text SS Aria of the Starless Night. Let's just say this scenario played out quite differently w/ different circumstances. If you want I can post an excerpt from said SS but does that count as a major spoil? If it does then I'll just suggest you read it for yourself. Shouldn't be that hard to find. Yeah I'll just look it up. Thanks! kamikaze_1996 said: ^he could of tried that but there was no guarantee that they would believe him and with that guy who loathes beta's fueling the fire there was no chance they would listen, also kirito wanted to end the discrimination and distinction between the betas and the players, players would be relying on the betas waay too much because they would have in their head that betas are experts and if there is a problem they would blame for not helping kirito made the betas seem like noobs who are just like the players and that they have no real experience and that stopped the negativity towards them and now people wont bother them for advice, money etc.. or blame them for not helping, what he did was save most of the betas by sacrificing his own image Agree to disagree I suppose. He also could have quite easily explained that most beta testers had little experience advantage, and that the discrimination was unfounded. These people may have been upset, but they weren't about to kill off the only reason they defeated the first of a hundred bosses without listening (they did just stand there while he spoke and even while he walked away, did they not?). He didn't need to "sacrifice his own image", he just wanted to be noble, bad-ass, or what have you. I guess the whole "out-lawed hero" thing works for a better story though, so it's not all bad. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Jul 15, 2012 5:56 PM
#383
Droplet said: Didn't know this ep caused such a shitstorm with novel readers. Uh, I'm not really sure why people are so mad, but as an anime only viewer I really enjoyed it and don't understand why some are so angry about this. If they're leaving out scenes - which happens in every adaptation - they got the main points here, as far as I can see. The guy dying failed to get emotions out of me, but it upped the stakes so that's fine. Also some of you need to chill the fuck out with the spoilers in here. AshtonClaude said: what I dislike from this series is the fact that there are many teenager player maybe around 14++ years old, but they all play like noobs, oh come on in 2022 most teenagers dont know how to play online game ? so weird it's still 1st floor and many players dead already, ( I mean die in game,.not die coz of the helmet being removed ) Uh, you'd really be shocked. When you're a really low level with crappy attacks, you might be caught off guard and die if confronted by a larger mob of monsters or you just simply may not be paying attention to your health/not quick enough to use a potion. It's happened to me before. Especially since these are people that know their LIFE is at risk so they're more nervous and probably aren't thinking straight. Hehehe. That's the bane of a novel reader. Personally, aside from the pacing issues and numerous stills, I thought the episode was fine if not great. Us LN-readers are just looking at the ep w/ rose tinted glasses so to speak so forgive us for too much whining. |
Jul 15, 2012 5:58 PM
#384
Faiyez said: I don't have a say on the VN, but so far, all this show has done to catch people's attention is slapping RPG terms and life-bars to a generic fantasy storyline, (OMGZ0R!!1!.. DIS LIEK A REAL MMO!1!1!!) with bland character designs and animation just a little better than usual. I wish I could disagree with this, but it's difficult to dispute, haha. I will say that (imo) the generic elements are well employed, much like in Fate/Zero. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Jul 15, 2012 5:58 PM
#385
DesolateOne said: My god Asuna is FREAKING CUTE!!! Yeah she is a real beauty :) |
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Jul 15, 2012 6:12 PM
#386
Faiyez said: I don't have a say on the VN, but so far, all this show has done to catch people's attention is slapping RPG terms and life-bars to a generic fantasy storyline, (OMGZ0R!!1!.. DIS LIEK A REAL MMO!1!1!!) with bland character designs and animation just a little better than usual. Whether you like the character designs or not is up to your personal taste, but the animation although not awesome is still great. What's wrong with employing RPG aspects to the storyline? The setting is in virtual reality world after all and about the storyline, it's too early to judge it generic |
Firixizu_MintJul 15, 2012 6:16 PM
Jul 15, 2012 6:12 PM
#387
Post-Josh said: Faiyez said: I don't have a say on the VN, but so far, all this show has done to catch people's attention is slapping RPG terms and life-bars to a generic fantasy storyline, (OMGZ0R!!1!.. DIS LIEK A REAL MMO!1!1!!) with bland character designs and animation just a little better than usual. I wish I could disagree with this, but it's difficult to dispute, haha. I will say that (imo) the generic elements are well employed, much like in Fate/Zero. Ahahahaha. Yeah it's basically like that. Let me just clarify some things. For those who are looking for shows w/ original concepts as a major criteria SAO wouldn't really appeal much. This story frankly is very cliched and trope filled. But why the heck are so many in love w/ the novels? It's because the writing style is amazing. Kawahara just manages to capture every emotion in every moment and effectively convey it to the reader very strongly. It allows for us to effectively insert ourselves in the story and get very intimate w/ the characters even if they actually seem pretty generic. It's an experience difficult to be put into an adaptation and that's why LN readers fear the worst after this episode. Especially since the next ep will be an adaptation of one of the most emotion filled stories in the Aincrad arc. |
Jul 15, 2012 6:23 PM
#388
swordstriker21 said: Post-Josh said: Faiyez said: I don't have a say on the VN, but so far, all this show has done to catch people's attention is slapping RPG terms and life-bars to a generic fantasy storyline, (OMGZ0R!!1!.. DIS LIEK A REAL MMO!1!1!!) with bland character designs and animation just a little better than usual. I wish I could disagree with this, but it's difficult to dispute, haha. I will say that (imo) the generic elements are well employed, much like in Fate/Zero. Ahahahaha. Yeah it's basically like that. Let me just clarify some things. For those who are looking for shows w/ original concepts as a major criteria SAO wouldn't really appeal much. This story frankly is very cliched and trope filled. But why the heck are so many in love w/ the novels? It's because the writing style is amazing. Kawahara just manages to capture every emotion in every moment and effectively convey it to the reader very strongly. It allows for us to effectively insert ourselves in the story and get very intimate w/ the characters even if they actually seem pretty generic. It's an experience difficult to be put into an adaptation and that's why LN readers fear the worst after this episode. Especially since the next ep will be an adaptation of one of the most emotion filled stories in the Aincrad arc. Honestly it reminds me of Harry Potter, the writing style, the reason the books were so popular wasn't cause they were original literary works or original characters, the magic world and all that has been done over and over again, it was because the reader could put themselves behind the characters just like striker said. Even if the anime is trolling the LN, it has only trolled the SS which in my opinion, isn't that bad, it has still stayed true to the important things, like people died, and Kirito being Kirito, black coat and all. Also when compared to other animes based on light novels, this one does okay, I mean look at the Campione anime, it has trolled the LN, or TMnI that one broke from the LN plenty, but if you ever find a anime that completely sticks towards the LN, please tell me, I would like to watch that. |
Jul 15, 2012 6:29 PM
#389
Not sure if I liked this ep. Whole thing seemed really cheesy, from the introduction of the "lone wolf" female character, to the way the MC goes against everything that guy who died would have wanted by generally being a prick to the other members of the group that defeated the boss. |
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Jul 15, 2012 6:32 PM
#390
MidnightPride said: AshtonClaude said: too afraid to hunt ? lol as the maker of that online world, how could he feel entertained if they only see players just sitting, eat and sleep for a month ? the GM should make a rule to hunt or to be at the next level at certain time or if dont they will die automatically coz it's so freaking boring if players just be at inn, park do nothing and expect the others to clear the monster lol You can't live in a inn and, get food on the starter money forever eventually they will have to go into some trade or another to make money Yes you can ... Lol that tree event. |
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Jul 15, 2012 6:33 PM
#391
dim100 said: swordstriker21 said: Post-Josh said: Faiyez said: I don't have a say on the VN, but so far, all this show has done to catch people's attention is slapping RPG terms and life-bars to a generic fantasy storyline, (OMGZ0R!!1!.. DIS LIEK A REAL MMO!1!1!!) with bland character designs and animation just a little better than usual. I wish I could disagree with this, but it's difficult to dispute, haha. I will say that (imo) the generic elements are well employed, much like in Fate/Zero. Ahahahaha. Yeah it's basically like that. Let me just clarify some things. For those who are looking for shows w/ original concepts as a major criteria SAO wouldn't really appeal much. This story frankly is very cliched and trope filled. But why the heck are so many in love w/ the novels? It's because the writing style is amazing. Kawahara just manages to capture every emotion in every moment and effectively convey it to the reader very strongly. It allows for us to effectively insert ourselves in the story and get very intimate w/ the characters even if they actually seem pretty generic. It's an experience difficult to be put into an adaptation and that's why LN readers fear the worst after this episode. Especially since the next ep will be an adaptation of one of the most emotion filled stories in the Aincrad arc. Honestly it reminds me of Harry Potter, the writing style, the reason the books were so popular wasn't cause they were original literary works or original characters, the magic world and all that has been done over and over again, it was because the reader could put themselves behind the characters just like striker said. Even if the anime is trolling the LN, it has only trolled the SS which in my opinion, isn't that bad, it has still stayed true to the important things, like people died, and Kirito being Kirito, black coat and all. Also when compared to other animes based on light novels, this one does okay, I mean look at the Campione anime, it has trolled the LN, or TMnI that one broke from the LN plenty, but if you ever find a anime that completely sticks towards the LN, please tell me, I would like to watch that. And you would think we would have learned our lesson from past experiences eh? As I said that's just the bane of LN readers. Somethings are always going to be cut out of an adaptation because of the mediums nature. What we can hope for is that an adaptation manages to capture the core essence of the series it is trying to adapt. Some LN readers just wont get that. But I can't really blame them since I'm actually guilty of the same thing at times. @Comradepoos He "acted like a prick" so they could avoid a falling out between beta testers and other players by making himself the sole object of hate. |
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Jul 15, 2012 6:47 PM
#392
wonder how they are able to survive since they haven't been able to eat/drink in the REAL world for 1 month |
Jul 15, 2012 7:02 PM
#393
Khalan3 said: wonder how they are able to survive since they haven't been able to eat/drink in the REAL world for 1 month Well this has been discussed quite a bit in the forum but I'll answer for you. It wasn't mentioned in the anime but in the novel they were given two hours to disconnect from the main server in order for the government to move the players to hospitals and other medical institutions to be hooked up to an IV and basically treated like coma patients. |
Jul 15, 2012 7:02 PM
#394
Khalan3 said: wonder how they are able to survive since they haven't been able to eat/drink in the REAL world for 1 month ... Wonder how those comatized patients survive when they haven't been able to eat/drink in the REAL world for X months! It was said or implied (don't remember which) that they were taken to hospitals. |
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Jul 15, 2012 7:03 PM
#395
The episode was awesome, can't wait for more. I'm currently reading the light novel of it. |
Jul 15, 2012 7:12 PM
#396
Faiyez said: I don't have a say on the VN, but so far, all this show has done to catch people's attention is slapping RPG terms and life-bars to a generic fantasy storyline, (OMGZ0R!!1!.. DIS LIEK A REAL MMO!1!1!!) with bland character designs and animation just a little better than usual. in addition to the previous comments, it seems it is not your cup of tea by looking at your list :j |
Jul 15, 2012 7:49 PM
#397
Yanoflies said: MidnightPride said: AshtonClaude said: too afraid to hunt ? lol as the maker of that online world, how could he feel entertained if they only see players just sitting, eat and sleep for a month ? the GM should make a rule to hunt or to be at the next level at certain time or if dont they will die automatically coz it's so freaking boring if players just be at inn, park do nothing and expect the others to clear the monster lol You can't live in a inn and, get food on the starter money forever eventually they will have to go into some trade or another to make money Yes you can ... Lol that tree event. Ah, 5 col a day, how I pay to live in happiness. Anyway, a passage from the LN (though it's better to read the whole thing first in order to have a better understanding/feeling of the situation as a whole - basically intensity): As the boss disappeared, the remaining Sentinels in the back seemed to have scattered into the void as well. The hue of the shining torches on the walls changed from a gloomy orange into a bright yellow. The dimness in the boss' room was removed at once, and from goodness knows where a cool wind swept across the room, taking away the heat of the battle. There was barely any who broke the silence. Group G and E who remained in the back, Group A, C, D and F who were on their knees, awaiting recovery, and Agil alongside his Group B, the «Final Wall», sitting on the floor, dazedly looking around. It was almost as if we were worried about the terrifying demi-human king reviving. I too, with my right hand holding the sword in the slashing position, remained stationary. Is this really the end? Would any «Minor differences from Beta» occur here as well......? And, at that time. A small white hand gently touched my right shoulder, causing me to slowly lower my sword. Standing there, was the rapier user Asuna. Her chestnut long hair waving in the breeze, as she stared at me. With her hooded cape off, revealing her face, this was the first time I saw something so beautiful I doubted it was the player's true appearance. I continued to stare hazily at her beauty, Asuna ―― probably just for this moment ―― silently accepted the stare without a trace of annoyance. She eventually whispered. "Thanks for your hard work!" At those words, I was finally convinced. It was over...... the first floor which had confined eight thousand players, the greatest obstacle, has finally been cleared. And, as if my system was awaiting that recognition of mine, a new message appeared in my view. Experience gained. The distribution of col. And finally ―― items obtained. As everyone that was there saw the same thing, their expressions lightened up. After a short moment, a *Waa!!* cheer occurred. Some people threw both hands up in the air. Some embraced their comrades. Some danced nonsensically. In this storm of uproar, a large figure slowly got off the floor and walked over. It was the two-handed-axe user, Agil. "......Those were wonderful commands. And brilliant sword skills beyond even that. Congratulations, this victory is rightfully yours." Even with the English word in the middle, the giant pronounced the sentence perfectly, and as his mouth closed, he had a large grin. His gigantic right hand clenched, and stretched it out. I wondered how to respond, but sadly nothing came to my mind, and I could only say "No......", as I formed my right hand into a fist as well at least, raising it. At that moment. "―――― Why!!" Suddenly, that loud shout burst out from behind me. As I turned halfway around, due to that loud shout that sounded like a lament, the entire room became calm in an instant. Looking away from Asuna and Agil, I turned to see a man in light armor, a scimitar user, whose name I could not recall. However, as soon as his mouth parted and the distorted words emitted from his mouth, I understood. "―――― Why, did you leave Diabel-san to die!!" This man was, Group C..... which was the deceased knight Diabel's group, his comrade from the very beginning. If I looked past him, the remaining four members behind him, stood looking dishevelled. Some of them were crying. Looking at the scimitar user again, I murmured. I really couldn't understand those words. "Let him die......?" "That's right!! Because...... Because you knew the skills the boss used, didn't you!! If you gave us that information from the start, Diabel wouldn't have died!!" Speaking as if he was vomiting blood, the remaining raid members began to mumble. "Now that you mention it......" "Why......? It wasn't even written in the strategy guide......" Such voices were born, and gradually spread across the room. Giving them the answers, as I had expected, was Kibaou ―― Not. He was standing motionlessly further away, as if trying to resist something that was pulling at his mouth. However, one of the team members of Group E under his leadership walked closer toward me, pointing at me with the index finger on his right hand, and said. "I...... I know!! This guy, he's a beta tester!! That is why, the boss' attack patterns, good hunting spots and quests, he knows all of them!! He hid them despite knowing about them!!" Even though he heard those words, the scimitar user and other members from Group C did not show surprise. I thought they might have heard it from Diabel, but ―― as a beta tester himself, and hiding that fact from his comrades, it was unlikely that Diabel brought up the topic of beta testers on his own ―― when I saw through those katana skills that should have never been seen before by anyone, they must have known since then. Instead, the scimitar user's eyes seemed to seethe in hatred, as he tried to shout out something again. It was interrupted by the mace user who had served as a tank with Agil until the end. He raised his hand honestly, and said in a calm tone. "Even so, the guide that was handed out yesterday, it was written that it was only information on the boss's attack pattern during the beta period, right? If he was really a beta tester, wouldn't his knowledge be the same as in the guide?" "Tha, That is......" Substituting the Group E member who became silent, the scimitar user spoke in a voice dripping with hatred. "That strategy guide was a lie. Argo's information shop was selling lies. That person was a beta tester after all, there's no way she would have given us the truth for free." ――This is bad. This is becoming very bad. I quietly held my breath. I could endure any amount of condemnation on myself. However, a situation where hostility flares up towards the other testers, starting with Argo, was one that I want to avoid by all means. But ―― But, what should I do...... At this time, as I looked down on the light black floor. The system message was still vividly displayed. The acquired experience, col, and items...... Instantly. An idea occurred to me. Additionally, a large conflict within it caused my body to quiver. If I take this choice, I don't know what kind of future I will see. There was the risk of being killed in a sneak attack, like what I had feared in the past. However ―― at the very least, the animosity directed against Argo and other beta testers might just be avoidable...... Behind me, in silence, Agil and Asuna who had patiently endured up to this moment, opened their mouths at the same time. "Hey, you guys......" "You......" However, I delicately moved my hands to subtly quieten them. I took a step forward, intending to have an impudent expression, and coolly looked at the scimitar user's face. I shrugged my shoulders, and told him in a voice as apathetic as I could muster. "Beta tester, was it? ......Don't lump me together with those amateurs." "Wha...... What was that......?" "Listen here and remember this. SAO's CBT «Closed Beta Test» had a ridiculously low pass rate for the lottery draw. Out of the one thousand people, how many real MMO gamers do you think got selected? Most of them were just «Newbie» players who didn't even know methods of leveling properly. You guys here are much better than that lot." At the end of my contemptuous words, the forty two players fell silent simultaneously. A chill, like the atmosphere before fighting the boss, returned, forming into invisible knives brushing across their skin. "――But, I'm not like those guys." Deliberately sneering, I opened my mouth and broke the silence. "During the beta test, I reached floors that no one else could reach. I learned of the Katana Skills the boss used since I kept fighting mobs that used katanas from a floor way higher. I know way more other things too, there's no way even that Argo person could even match me." "............What, is that......" The person who first pointed me out as a beta tester, the man from Group E, said out in a hoarse voice. "That's...... no longer on the level of a beta tester.... that's totally cheating, you are just a cheater!" From around us, yeah, cheater, cheating beta tester, many voices with those words came out. Those words were soon mixed up together, in the end a strange sounding word, «Beater», reached my ears. "......«Beater», that has a good ring to it." Laughing and grinning, I looked around at everybody in that area, and told them in a clear voice. "Exactly, I am a «Beater». From now on, please do not lump me together with those former testers." ――――That should do it. From here on, the current four or five hundred people that seem to be beta testers, will now be further divided into two categories. The majority «Testers who are merely amateurs» and, the remaining few «Information controlling dirty Beaters». In the future, the hostilities from new players, should be all directed towards Beaters. Suppose a beta tester is found out, players would not hate them on sight. In return, I alone, will have lost the ability to fight on the front lines in any guilds or parties...... However, it's not like much has changed. I am a «Solo» even now, and I will still remain a solo. That is all. The scimitar user became pale-faced and fell silent, and along with the members of Group C, they looked away from the Group E member. I opened my menu window and ran my finger along the equipment figure. The dark gray leather coat that I had worn up till now, was instead set to the unique product dropped by the boss just a moment ago, the «Coat of Midnight». My body was then wrapped in a small glowing light, and the ragged shade of gray was replaced by a shiny jet black leather. Its length also increased, as the hem hit my knees. I waved that black long coat with a flourish, turning to my back ―― and faced the small door further inside the boss's room. "I'll go on and «Activate» the second floor's transfer gate. From the exit up there it will be a short walk to the district town, if you want to come along, be prepared to be killed by any mob that comes along." Agil and Asuna, kept staring at me, as I started the walk. The two of them had eyes which showed that they understood everything. That was a relief. I faced the both of them and gave a small smile, stepped forward with large strides, and pushed the door to the second floor, right behind the main throne, open. |
Jul 15, 2012 8:04 PM
#398
Awesome fights! And i liked very much the fact that Kirito isnt a "hero that will save everyone"... he´s just doing what need to get out. |
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Jul 15, 2012 8:15 PM
#399
Jul 15, 2012 8:17 PM
#400
plushkin said: Faiyez said: SAO.... frivolous show with a preposterous premise stopped reading there. I stopped reading at: Faiyez said: |
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