Fate/Zero 2nd Season Episode 8 Discussion

ataraxial said:

No one is un-calm. Also, there's something called common sense, and Saber happens to have it.

Veneficae said:
ssjokg
ataraxial
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Calm down!
even I need to watch the eps twice to catch everything
Seber didn't explain how did she know that Rider was innocent

BloodRequiem said:


"rider" kidnapped irisviel on foot
rider is with waver on a chariot
irisviel not in chariot
they are heading in the direction of the einzbern castle

what more hints do you need?
saber may be stupid but she does have basic deduction skills

Thess said:


They didn't need to extend anything when they cut things already (which is my main intolerance for an unnecessary two episodes flashback pacing suicide: the lack of episodes to cover things, how they cut and rushed everything). For instance, the reason why Kariya 'cooperates' with Kirei despite his doubts. The conversation between Zouken and Kirei was cut short (he was using the excuse that Tokiomi was responsible for his father's death), which also foreshadowed there was something wrong with the Grail.

They can easily extend action scenes. They did it with Caster.

stAtic91 said:
Next episode preview pictures:



Source: http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/490/490404/

FUN said:
I feel bad but I laughed when Kariya made his zombie-walk and then seeing those 2 holding their Wine... Series really needs moar Gilgamesh. He's an asshole, but a charming one so I like him. He doesn't get enough screen time for my taste :|

ssjokg said:

[sarcasm]yeah not enough screen time at all[/sarcasm]

We need more Rider and Berserker....

FUN said:
I feel bad but I laughed when Kariya made his zombie-walk and then seeing those 2 holding their Wine... Series really needs moar Gilgamesh. He's an asshole, but a charming one so I like him. He doesn't get enough screen time for my taste :|

FUN said:

Rider gets more than enough. Berserker, on the other hand, not.
Gilgamesh is shown in a lot of episodes, but only for like... a few seconds, lol (and even then, it's mostly only some uninteresting talk like that one long scene with Kirei.. I want to see more action between him and other servants). I haven't read the LN so I can't say how awesome or un-awesome some characters "really" are. But from what I've seen so far, Berserker is kind of neglected. Hopefully it'll change with the upcoming episodes..

ssjokg said:

Rider gets screen time but not enough lines.Uninteresting huh?Those would be the most interesting appearances of his till now.Berserker doesnt have many parts in the LN like the other servants do,but his next fight we will have,unless it's cut(most likely),his story(like with lancer's short flashback back in season 1, but hopefully more than 1 or 2 scenes for berserker).

Ragna92 said:

He gets enough screen time. More would be good though. Also the action scenes between him and Berserker are definitely the most entertaining action scenes. Just wait until his next fight.

FUN said:


So his next fight will be between Berserker and him? Or nah, better don't say anything. I'll just wait and watch xD

FUN said:

Rider gets more than enough. Berserker, on the other hand, not.
Gilgamesh is shown in a lot of episodes, but only for like... a few seconds, lol (and even then, it's mostly only some uninteresting talk like that one long scene with Kirei.. I want to see more action between him and other servants). I haven't read the LN so I can't say how awesome or un-awesome some characters "really" are. But from what I've seen so far, Berserker is kind of neglected. Hopefully it'll change with the upcoming episodes..

FUN said:


Rider gets more than enough. Berserker, on the other hand, not.
Gilgamesh is shown in a lot of episodes, but only for like... a few seconds, lol (and even then, it's mostly only some uninteresting talk like that one long scene with Kirei.. I want to see more action between him and other servants). I haven't read the LN so I can't say how awesome or un-awesome some characters "really" are. But from what I've seen so far, Berserker is kind of neglected. Hopefully it'll change with the upcoming episodes..

Lumathy said:

Those "uninteresting talks" are what made FZ Gil better than FSN Gil, we get to see another side of him and he's actually a charming asshole here not just an one-dimensional unlikeable asshole.

And Berseker will have his shine soon, it will be worth it.

BloodRequiem said:

Fate/Zero is not about action.
Gilgamesh gets a lot of screen time because he talks a lot with Kirei (Love their voices...especially Kirei).
Berserker on the other hand can't talk so of course he won't get much screen time other than the action scenes.

FUN said:
Didn't find it completely uninteresting, but I did feel like they dragged that scene out a bit, but I guess it was necessary. Can't remember anything from FSN Gil (are you referring to the anime or the VN?) since I've watched that a long time ago but yeah, I agree with saying he's a 'charming asshole' (did say that myself in the earlier post).

Thess said:


Without them, Kirei would never have come out his shell, which means absolutely no SUFFERING plot in the second part.

tyrolizard1 said:
did i just see kiriya rape sakuyas mom after he finishd choking her?

ssjokg said:


I hope you are kidding...

Aversa said:
Now i feel even more sorry for Rin being raised by the murderer of her father and also the one to set up the murder of her mother.
Not to mention all the things Gilgamesh is planning as well things are pretty messed up for Rin.

Sabers skill with the bike where very nice to watch tho i wonder why she didn't fight Rider in the end.
Just what are they all planning.

BloodRequiem said:



Her goal from the beginning was to find Irisivel.
Once she saw that Rider wasn't the one who kidnapped Irisviel, why waste time and energy fighting him?

Lauriet said:
Found a photoshop of this episode. Translated comments says this is from a nico-nico video. If anyone has the link, do share.

Gulaman said:
Hmm, some sort of error here?

From Ep 7


From Ep 8

Gulaman said:
Hmm, some sort of error here?

From Ep 7


From Ep 8

Leon-Gun said:
but we can argue that he didn't want the Matou to know that Tokiomi was dead. Considering no one but the killer knew, that information could be usefull. And as said above me, "he's dead so he's in no position to make a move.

Coldbid said:
that race was awesome! how the hell does saber do that?

truepurple said:
Aoi assuming Kariya killed Tokiomi. only on the bases that he was touching/next to the body when she appeared and knowing Kariyas hate of Tokioni.

Does Aoi think Tokiomi is so weak that he could be killed so easily by Kariya without any visual signs of trouble in the area, without hearing anything as she approached the building, without even fresh blood pouring out of wounds? It doesn't make sense.

Leon-Gun said:
Hmm, it actually isn't completely impossible (Kariya knows curse magic, although not properly well trained, and the Matou specialize in curses), but yeah, Aoi sure was dumb. I never really liked her, she's the completely submissive wife Japanese traditional society tends to portray as the model woman.

BloodRequiem said:


She already had Sakura taken away from her, so Tokiomi and Rin's safety is probably the most important to her. And walking in to a guy who is participating in a war against her husband standing beside the corpse of her husband is pretty much conclusive evidence for her. Of course by that time she is probably too shocked to check the freshness of the corpse or perhaps Kirei even did something to it just to make the scene more realistic.

truepurple said:
To kill someone with a curse, you have to actually get close to em and it takes a moment to do too, right? I mean it did when that one lady on the plane killed that vampire, and she was a expert and her target did not seem to be skilled in magic like Tokiomi.

For Kariya to take Tokiomi by surprise where he would give a opponent opportunity to kill him with a curse, in a empty church in the middle of the night where he had no reason to be there is so absurd, it really is laughable.

And he was nearly holding Tomiomi in a affectionate matter when she approached, would a killer killing from hatred do anything like that? (rhetorical)

And she said "kill him right in front of me" As though saying she witnessed some way for her husband to have been killed silently and without struggle.

And yeah, doesn't Aoi actually accuse Kariya of taking Sakura from her?(I checked, she does) Like... WHAT?!?

And she said "now that the the Matou are sure to win the grail" Again, what?!? You gave the Matou your daughter with magic potential, which would obviously help the Matou AKA Zouran get the grail, but now she's complaining about it?!?

BloodRequiem said:


Aoi isn't omniscient like us. And how the hell did you get affectionate manner out of that?
Natalia using curses? She is not an expert...Her specialty is using guns.
"No reason to be at the church." Aoi knows that Tokiomi is allied with the church.
The Einzberns, Tohsaka and Matou's are the most favoured to win because they have the longest tradition out of all the magi. Aoi doesn't know about Kiritsugu, and Tokiomi is dead. So of course she would think that it's Kariya's victory. And she was probably saying that to spite him anyways.
And no, she doesn't accuse Kariya of taking Sakura away. She accused the Matou of taking Sakura away and to Aoi, Kariya is just a Matou.
And of course Kariya the idiot doesn't say anything to defend himself like any normal person would. Instead the first thing he says "it's all Tokiomi's fault" which basically seems like a motive to Aoi.

stAtic91 said:
Aoi was probably quite distraught after seeing her husband dead too. I can't really blame her for shouting things she normally wouldn't even think. And Kariya isn't exactly very good at the whole communication thing, with the worms eating him from the inside-out and whatnot.

Also, why do you think Kariya went to the chuch in the first place? To have a friendly chat with Tokiomi and peacefully sort things out? Yeah. He went there to kill him.

Leon-Gun said:
Actually, I can't pardon Aoi here either. Her reaction shows she would rather Tokiomi had killed Kariya than the opposite. SHe knows Masters kill each other, she knows Tokiomi would kill all the Masters (Kirei aside) and she knew Kariya was a Master. Aoi is just a prime example of the submissive wife who only cares about her husband and accepts every decision he makes without question. Another person would have asked Kariya about information on Sakura's condition (back during their first meetings mind you, not during the whole mess with Tokiomi's dead body) yet instead the first thing she told himm was to butt out.

Let's not forget here, Tokiomi KILLED KARIYA. Had Kirei not began his insurrection by saving Kariya's life Kariya would have died back during the night Tokiomi burned him alive. It took him a few days of restoration and Zouken giving him Sakura's life energy for Kariya to actually pull through from his almost dead state. So for a woman who so called carried a torch for him back when they were young (and married Tokiomi out of "duty") she sure as hell doesn't seem to care about Kariya much.

ssjokg said:


Here comes the big question:Is Rin(and we as viewers) lucky that she grow up alone or would it be better if Tokiomi and Aoi were with her?

BloodRequiem said:


HF Rin but x10 worse = Tokiomi+Aoi raising Rin

ssjokg said:


I would like an ova with

Trenerka said:

I would pay to see both, really.

And the sheer irony of setting mentioned by BloodRequiem can only be countered by the sheer cutness and tsundereness of it.

I mean really, you can get diabetes just looking at all those fanarts of said three characters.

Trenerka said:

I would pay to see both, really.

And the sheer irony of setting mentioned by BloodRequiem can only be countered by the sheer cutness and tsundereness of it.

I mean really, you can get diabetes just looking at all those fanarts of said three characters.

http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=729097