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Oct 12, 2023 2:41 PM

#51

Ashhk

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That was definitely quite the ride, not sure to understood everything regarding the ending but definitely loved the usage of politics and how some parts of our reality works well when mixed with these sci-fi elements, not to mention it's better now that COVID made it feel more real xD

Jan 28, 6:37 PM

#52

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I dropped this at chapter 72 and skipped right to the end and i found it to be garbage, it started entertaining and i really liked how brutal it was, the degree to which bodies were torn apart and how so unceremoniusly characters were dispatched in horrible ways despite their best efforst or being deserving of a better fate, but then the plot armor of the regular characters become annoying, you have kenji, sophia and elliah constantly seeing themselves in life or death situations were they never received any major injury, and if they did it was meaningless because the character in question was a fucking cyborg, kenji dispatching waves after waves of soldiers only with fucking knives and elliah never receiving more than a few punches in the face, this took away tension in the fights because you knew they were going to get away without injury or consequence, and the brutal killing of minor characters became the norm, predictable, you knew it was coming and when it was coming, usually when the characters were about to escape to other nation or just about to be rescue, this made the fights dull and uninteresting and the deaths meaningless.

Also a recurring theme of the work was "imperialism bad, minority group good, central governtment bad, opressed people good", there was no moral dilemma the work clearly presented some people as good and some as bad, some as clearly right and some as clearly wrong, by chapter 72 propatria was the big baddie yet there wasnt any major or relevant character on propatria side, we never get to see their perspective just the moral compass of the slut, the gary stue, the prostitude and the retard, those being sophia, kenji, helena and elliah respectively. The author introduces a lot of characters that exist for no other purpose than to be non white non straight non christian, making empashis on those things like they were virtues, he introduced ahmed and let you know he was muslim or gloria and let you know she was a faggot, those werent their names, i didnt bother to remember them. Shallow useless virtue signaling, this manga does that a lot, it amazes me to think a japanese wrote this instead of a biden voting imbecile, i guess the author must have vote for his japanese equivalent quite regularly.

And the idiotic ending

Feb 28, 11:45 PM

#53

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It started very well but it derailed volume by volume and ended being unrecognizable, after every timeskip the quality drop was inmense but definitely the biggest one was the introduction of the colloids and all that came after, at that point the manga became a half-baked joke, a wannabe EoE combined GiTS and whichever Gnosticism elements Endo wanted to include, not to mention his understanding and representation of geopolitics/science/sociology/anthropology/psychology were superficial at best if not upright inventions of his own.

Besides that, this manga was a lenghty one and when the plot quality is certainly lacking it's not good to drag out too much a show and this one went really long. Anyways, this manga felt like a total waste of time and there are far better sources to explore the themes this manga tried to touch and with a better and deeper understanding of it, 3/10 overall.

Apr 20, 8:56 AM

#54

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Surprisingly wholesome ending for a manga that spent a lot of the previous 125 chapters proving how ruthless, cruel and pointless existence is. Obviously, it wasn't doom and gloom throughout, which I actually appreciate but I was definitely expecting things to end worse for our protagonists.

Overall, this was a fun read but it definitely lost me towards the end. The plot becomes nonsensical and we lose contact with the characters we actually care about. Still, the characters in this were definitely the highlight of the manga for me.

TitanInsaneApr 24, 10:33 PM

Apr 24, 10:29 AM

#55

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@TitanInsane The weather control arc took some time and maybe Ennoah should have been explored more like sophia,Elijah,kenji etc.
I still think that the message about evolution is beautiful particularly ch 101-102(read it multiple times and still can't forget it) but some parts after it felt little boring.
Overall it's definitely not perfect but a great work .

May 14, 10:20 PM

#56

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I have so many mixed feelings because I think the first 18 or so chapters was genuinely a 10/10 but as we headed towards the Pedro arc I started to lose motivation, and the manga would teeter back and forth into being well paced to just whatever. I HATED the stupid Helena and Eliah sex scenes and it felt like the author didn't even bother making it seem wrong or anything because nobody in the manga cared about the scenario. Things started getting good again after that garbage was over but there were just so many side characters introduced afterwards that it became kind of a headache keeping up with both the scientific side plot and all the politicians and the geopolitical stuff. I also just thought the sex and violence kept getting cranked up more and more to way extreme lengths.

I liked the Mana arc, but things after that started to vary in quality afterwards and Idk... the ending was kind of nice I guess. I liked the whole thing with Enoa at least

May 18, 8:54 PM

#57

hitoki27

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The story went off tracks pretty heavily in it's final third or so, and we arrive at this nonsense conclusion. Some points that just don't make sense to me, to get the ball rolling:

Meigus. Who the fuck was that? Why did he have immunity to Discloser? You can't just bring out a random dude to be your final antagonist and expect that to work wonders.
Why did Sophia have immunity too? Is this just random chance? How would anyone know that besides Maya? Did he tell Meigus?
Sophia's daughter and her father. Why come out now for Sophia? And most importantly, WHY KILL MANA? There is literally no plausible explaination for this other than "they felt like it". They had no grudge, the person they got the orders from had already died, and they had quit the mission as well. Why kill Mana and get on Ennoah's bad side? It's not like Propater cared about those two anymore at this point. It was just another, of what felt like a million, pointless edgy deaths in this story. It was made to seem important to the themes, but the whole pointless death had already been made pretty clear at this point, but that alone doesn't excuse the fact that inside the narrative it made literally no sense. Elijah's whole quest amounted to not much at all, he never saved anyone.
Propater and the Cartel's endings. So Ennoah, Chad and Tony just got together, killed everyone and that was the end of the Cartel conflicts. Same for Meigus just blowing up the Propater figure heads. So the two main opposing factions don't even end up facing eachother, and are dealt with by using a little bit of effort? It made everything feel trivial.
Elijah and Miriam's arcs kind of go nowhere. They didn't even do anything in the final arc.

Those are my issues with the ending, but for regarding the whole of the story: Eden had a really strong start, with a cool setting and cast of characters. The multiple nationalities and backgrounds add a lot of freshness to the story in the first arc, when Elijah, Helena and Kachua join the Coronel and his band in an effort to leave Propater's territory. To me, this was the best portion of the series, where it's elements of major appeal were at full force. The interesting aspects of sci-fi like hacking, Cherubim and cyborgs are all fantastic here. And Kachua and Wycliffe's deaths remained the most impactful/most well executed to the end of the series to me.
After that, the Helena and Pedro arc. This one is still pretty good, Helena is a great character and her relationship with Elijah felt very real and endearing. Things get way too edgy here too with killing children for no good reason but it's still tolerable. After this, things get muddled, and we never go back any interesting setting, just jump from city to city.

Helena's death was a real waste and the story didn't really go anywhere significant with it, imo. Miriam was a nice addition but she never had much to work with story wise. The cop, cartel and Propater business becomes a huge mess as well, and as said before, isn't taken to any decent conclusion. It all gets swept to the side in favor of coloid stuff, which was not interesting.
The novel feel of the global story, with characters from many different countries, lost it's appeal pretty hard at one point, it became tiresome to have to hear everyone's sad background story every time.

It wasn't a terrible read, but it lost it's way super hard and never managed to capture it's original charm once the first arc was over. The guerrilla feeling, the interesting dynamics of the Coronel's group and Elijah, that all got thrown out, when it was the best part of the series. I wish Elijah had gone back to the Coronel's group after Helena's death, set on becoming a mercenary or something, given his extensive training and maturing after all that had happened. The relationship between Kenji and the Coronel never got a decent conclusion as well, for shame.
One positive about the ending, was that Elijah's old friends were not forgotten, Naomi, Nathan and Ricky all returned for the good bye fortunately.
Overall, wouldn't recomend this manga to people, I had to almost force myself to finish it.

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