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do you feel internalized capitalism or you follow hustle culture?
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Mar 8, 2023 10:07 PM
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internalized capitalism is a new term about feeling you should always grow more or work more also you feel guilty or worthless if youre not productive

i got avolition so i rarely get this for a long time now but for normies here how often do you feel this?

and thoughts?
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from what i see in myself and my friends its all channeled through the lens of consumption

my friend wants to make more money than he does rn so he can decorate his apartment like a james bond villain.

....he already mades 100k usd a year



meanwhile im like "damn i could waste money on cool firearms or gundam models or w/e"




but mb actualy if ur slacking off all day u feel a bit guilty. i do a bit but i think its more a fear of being found out for myself personally lmao even if i know im working the norm.

i do have one friend who feels this hard and also they like jordan peterson so not surprising.
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I'm too lazy to ever feel such a thing at all honestly. 


Mar 9, 2023 6:24 AM
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from what i see in myself and my friends its all channeled through the lens of consumption

my friend wants to make more money than he does rn so he can decorate his apartment like a james bond villain.

....he already mades 100k usd a year



meanwhile im like "damn i could waste money on cool firearms or gundam models or w/e"




but mb actualy if ur slacking off all day u feel a bit guilty. i do a bit but i think its more a fear of being found out for myself personally lmao even if i know im working the norm.

i do have one friend who feels this hard and also they like jordan peterson so not surprising.


consumption definitely plays a huge role too in this its a motivating factor for sure
Mar 9, 2023 6:28 AM
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I hate hustle culture. I also hate working hard to make more money and using that money to make more money and keep the cycle going until you fucking die. I'd rather live a normal life with interests, thanks.
Mar 9, 2023 7:08 AM
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Can't wait for this cancerous Global Capitalism to die already along with all those banksters and big Corps heads hanging on the street pole lights everywhere.

.... insert Satanic Atmospheric Black Metal music.
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I don't work hard, but instead I work efficiently within my limit while not becoming a cog of the consumerist machinery. To achieve this, low-level consumption is the easiest way based on my experience. It's great for my mental health under this economic order.
Mar 9, 2023 7:41 AM
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I don't work hard, but instead I work efficiently within my limit while not becoming a cog of the consumerist machinery. To achieve this, low-level consumption is the easiest way based on my experience. It's great for my mental health under this economic order.


i feel like less is more applies here ye
Mar 9, 2023 8:54 AM
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@Deg she telling do something fix the way feel about your instead complaining.

@SynapticBlast She saying even disabilities I didn't stop from pursuing dreams. Amity teacher in real life.
Mar 9, 2023 9:01 AM
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@deg But you can only be a hustle in capitalism society. They are hand on hand.

True you aren't on this thread.
Mar 9, 2023 9:03 AM
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@deg But you can only be a hustle in capitalism society. They are hand on hand.

True you aren't on this thread.


and im discussing if that is good for the mental health because they say internalized capitalism makes mental health problems
Mar 9, 2023 9:03 AM

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Idk really, Is there a middle ground in between? Because there are some aspects of capitalism that just work fine for me but other aspects don't which leads to me thinking that I praise hard work but clever and healthy hard work. I'm working 12+ hours daily sometimes on weekends but I feel like I like what I'm doing.
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deg said:
Order-Sol said:
@deg But you can only be a hustle in capitalism society. They are hand on hand.

True you aren't on this thread.


and im discussing if that is good for the mental health because they say internalized capitalism makes mental health problems


Communism talking point tho? I never once heard that. Mental health issues already exist in them.
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@Amityblight, so all of those 30-40 (etc) years pricks, politics, banksters on the media with clean ties who have nice paid jobs...

And all they do is just spreading nonsensical lies, Fairy tales bullshit propaganda 24/7 that is paid for by Libtards and Government.

...to me, all of them are piles of inhuman trash, that don't do anything productive and meaningful and only waste oxygen.

...@deg doesn't get paid by those corrupt fucks, so, his bitching about stuff is understandable especially since he lives in a poor country with also corrupt Govs, etc.
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Order-Sol said:
deg said:


and im discussing if that is good for the mental health because they say internalized capitalism makes mental health problems


Communism talking point tho? I never once heard that. Mental health issues already exist in them.


i never mention communism here and personally communism is only possible with fully automated economy and that is still far away

for now universal basic income like negative income tax is good enough

anyway internalized capitalism makes people stressful and more stress means more mental and physical illness

i rarely get this for a long time now like i said because of being unmotivated (avolition) or apathetic so im just curious what normies experience are with this phenomenon or mentality
Mar 9, 2023 9:28 AM
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@Ingmatica They getting bag anyways they can. Politics is all bullshit we all know effect a few people like. Everyone can get rich tho.

"To me, all of them are piles of inhuman trash, that don't do anything productive and meaningful and only waste oxygen." That everyone on mal tho. What's point complaining if you ain't fixing shit? That's just being a cry baby

@deg Communism = Rich enslaving poor. Work in the mine or look at the wall pick one.
Mar 9, 2023 9:30 AM
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@Amityblight, so all of those 30-40 (etc) years pricks, politics, banksters on the media with clean ties who have nice paid jobs...

And all they do is just spreading nonsensical lies, Fairy tales bullshit propaganda 24/7 that is paid for by Libtards and Government.

...to me, all of them are piles of inhuman trash, that don't do anything productive and meaningful and only waste oxygen.

...@deg doesn't get paid by those corrupt fucks, so, his bitching about stuff is understandable especially since he lives in a poor country with also corrupt Govs, etc.


ye thats why im curious about rich countries welfare system and how they reform their capitalism economy to be more inclusive because the philippines has a long way to go especially for people like me, im not complaining more like im asking and talking about social solutions because individually im like hopeless at this point already so voting for reforms for example is all i can do
Mar 9, 2023 9:34 AM
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@deg Communism = Rich enslaving poor. Work in the mine or look at the wall pick one.


again i know communism does not work for now since it needs full automation which might take centuries

but universal basic income like negative income tax is possible right now

anyway this thread is more about mental health brought by internalized capitalism or hustle culture and not about economics
Mar 9, 2023 9:41 AM
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@Ingmatica They getting bags anyways they can. Politics is all bullshit we all know the effect a few people like. Everyone can get rich tho.

"To me, all of them are piles of inhuman trash, that don't do anything productive and meaningful and only waste oxygen." That everyone on mal tho. What's the point of complaining if you ain't fixing shit? That's just being a crybaby


The current Global shit system cannot be changed or fixed just by one human, everyone has to be involved, and blunt forward about it.

Some of us are not obsessed with being wealthy, we simply want those Govs and other money speculative fucks to go already, so, only here to help push things forward when shit hits the fan.
Mar 9, 2023 9:53 AM
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Haha this thread is a riot. In before the lock. I do have to agree with Amity. This obsession with capitalism is incredibly tiring, and especially when it all is on the back of making excuses for why you aren't living up to the best you can be.

Self improvement is not equivalent to hustle culture. Hustle culture can be beneficial for those who are incredibly conscientious, but that is a small minority of people. You absolutely can, and should, always, strive for self improvement.

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Ingmatica said:
Amityblight said:
@Ingmatica They getting bags anyways they can. Politics is all bullshit we all know the effect a few people like. Everyone can get rich tho.

"To me, all of them are piles of inhuman trash, that don't do anything productive and meaningful and only waste oxygen." That everyone on mal tho. What's the point of complaining if you ain't fixing shit? That's just being a crybaby


The current Global shit system cannot be changed or fixed just by one human, everyone has to be involved, and blunt forward about it.

Some of us are not obsessed with being wealthy, we simply want those Govs and other money speculative fucks to go already, so, only here to help push things forward when shit hits the fan.


You don't have be obsessed with money to understand you need to be very wealthy. Not one person but majority could fix things no one wants to even ducking try.

If you cant change it learn to play the game don't cry about.
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Mar 9, 2023 9:58 AM
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Haha this thread is a riot. In before the lock. I do have to agree with Amity. This obsession with capitalism is incredibly tiring, and especially when it all is on the back of making excuses for why you aren't living up to the best you can be.

Self improvement is not equivalent to hustle culture. Hustle culture can be beneficial for those who are incredibly conscientious, but that is a small minority of people. You absolutely can, and should, always, strive for self improvement.


capitalism is work or starve system

thats why there is the government welfare and social safety nets at work like universal basic income being propose and i want to vote for that personally

anyway my psychiatrist already said i lack initiative or motivation so my negative symptoms is worse than my positive symptoms
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I never felt that way at all.  I only work to survive so I can enjoy my hobbies and life.  I would rather not work if I could afford it, but that is not possible.  
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Lol no, I work most weeks 20-30 hours, sometimes more and I live fine with it. It's easier to share money and knowing how to live cheaply, like buying stuff second hand, buying cheap brands, knowing how to cook yourself instead of ordering too often etc... Cooking together with others is not only much cheaper, it's also a bonding activity that you won't have while waiting together.

The money I make is alright, I could work more indeed, but I start to study again and value the time with people and hobbies too much for the hustle culture.
I'm also interested in the academic side of that subject, if I should get more money out of it in the future, yeah nice.

One big problem about capitalism is that it's a vicious cycle of people get to believe they must measure their own value as a person on money and status symbols and then they buy much more expensive houses, cars, clothes etc... than what they would really need.

Although people who know how to save money, often still struggle, especially when they have kids and / or debts to pay back. That's how a capitalist system holds people hostage and some countries make up student loans. Either the rich people get richer, or you get held hostage for decades of your life of these debts.
Even if you think you don't need expensive shit and all, people are still forced to work more and more. Last time I saw the bills of water and gas, I wanted to cry fr.


deg said:
ye thats why im curious about rich countries welfare system and how they reform their capitalism economy to be more inclusive because the philippines has a long way to go especially for people like me, im not complaining more like im asking and talking about social solutions because individually im like hopeless at this point already so voting for reforms for example is all i can do

People pay health and social welfare insurance that is automatically substracted from your income, so if you should become ill for a longer time period and you are unable to work, you already paid into that system before.



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@Ingmatica They getting bag anyways they can. Politics is all bullshit we all know effect a few people like. Everyone can get rich tho.

"To me, all of them are piles of inhuman trash, that don't do anything productive and meaningful and only waste oxygen." That everyone on mal tho. What's point complaining if you ain't fixing shit? That's just being a cry baby

@deg Communism = Rich enslaving poor. Work in the mine or look at the wall pick one.

Are you done acting like a 15 yo school bully now?
If everyone here is a pile of inhuman trash, what do you think would make you different from that lol.
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Haha this thread is a riot. In before the lock. I do have to agree with Amity. This obsession with capitalism is incredibly tiring, and especially when it all is on the back of making excuses for why you aren't living up to the best you can be.

Self improvement is not equivalent to hustle culture. Hustle culture can be beneficial for those who are incredibly conscientious, but that is a small minority of people. You absolutely can, and should, always, strive for self improvement.
I think the popular thing to say is not "capitalism = bad", but to dismiss any alternative or questioning of it as communism.
Mar 9, 2023 10:07 AM
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deg said:
ye thats why im curious about rich countries welfare system and how they reform their capitalism economy to be more inclusive because the philippines has a long way to go especially for people like me, im not complaining more like im asking and talking about social solutions because individually im like hopeless at this point already so voting for reforms for example is all i can do

People pay health and social welfare insurance that is automatically substracted from your income, so if you should become ill for a longer time period and you are unable to work, you already paid into that system before.


ye i work for at least 8 whole years anyway before being a NEET and also my social pension contribution has reach minimum status so its not like i did not at least contribute to the system
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@Felori When did I say? I said that you could say that.

@StarfireDragon Exactly I'm only one making sense here.
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@Felori When did I say? I said that you could say that. You a Nazi?

@StarfireDragon Exactly I'm only one making sense here.


I agree with you...but How does everyone get rich?
Mar 9, 2023 10:21 AM
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Order-Sol said:
Amityblight said:
@Felori When did I say? I said that you could say that. You a Nazi?

@StarfireDragon Exactly I'm only one making sense here.


I agree with you...but How does everyone get rich?


for now scarcity the fundamental problem of economics will not let everyone become rich but right now a decent living for everyone is possible with current technology and again with universal basic income
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deg said:
Order-Sol said:


I agree with you...but How does everyone get rich?


for now scarcity the fundamental problem of economics will not let everyone become rich but right now a decent living for everyone is possible with current technology and again with universal basic income


I wanna hear Amity say it since she got all answers. If that the case why are there so many poor people?
Mar 9, 2023 10:31 AM
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Order-Sol said:
deg said:


for now scarcity the fundamental problem of economics will not let everyone become rich but right now a decent living for everyone is possible with current technology and again with universal basic income


I wanna hear Amity say it since she got all answers. If that the case why are there so many poor people?


because rich people aka 1% right now do not want to be tax more for the sake of the 99% of people
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deg said:
Order-Sol said:


I wanna hear Amity say it since she got all answers. If that the case why are there so many poor people?


because rich people aka 1% right now do not want to be tax more for the sake of the 99% of people
The middle class and even some of the lower classes also don't want to pay more taxes. This is in part due to their mistrust that the taxes won't be used right, but also jealousy and just misunderstanding how UBI works.
Mar 9, 2023 10:36 AM
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because rich people aka 1% right now do not want to be tax more for the sake of the 99% of people
The middle class and even some of the lower classes also don't want to pay more taxes. This is in part due to their mistrust that the taxes won't be used right, but also jealousy and just misunderstanding how UBI works.


ye you have a point there honestly the world right now is so rich due to technological progress so UBI is possible but ye the propaganda against it is strong
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deg said:
Felori said:


People pay health and social welfare insurance that is automatically substracted from your income, so if you should become ill for a longer time period and you are unable to work, you already paid into that system before.


ye i work for at least 8 whole years anyway before being a NEET and also my social pension contribution has reach minimum status so its not like i did not at least contribute to the system

That wasn't an accusation or anything, if you think like that. I thought you asked, so I explain.
Also I lived some months from welfare too before I found a new job and I didn't look out for one enough because I was had a major depression, so who am I to judge lol.

I believe that at least 90, 95 % of people, who are NEETs would want to work or educate themselves.
Humans are born curious and with the will to interact with the world in some way or another.
Usually the school systems take that natural curiosity away too from a lot of children and make it all about reaching success, not about learning and enjoying education and your job.

Also I see much more reason to attack rich shitheads than any harmless person without a job.
People who are taking advantage of the poor and destroying poor countries' economy and environment are the true pile of inhuman trash, but people with no spine are attracted to those in power, no matter how immorally and terribly they are treating the people below them.
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capitalism is work or starve system


"He who does not work, neither shall he eat"
-Known capitalist Vladimir Lenin

Stop pretending that this is a problem inherent to capitalism. Scarcity of resources is the fundamental problem, like you already kbow, so you have no leg to stand on.

thats why there is the government welfare and social safety nets at work like universal basic income being propose and i want to vote for that personally


Nobody is saying you can't vote a certain way. The problem is that all this is just a distraction to avoid responsibility.

anyway my psychiatrist already said i lack initiative or motivation so my negative symptoms is worse than my positive symptoms


Either you are leaving something out of that, or you have a shitty psychiatrist, because no psychiatrist would tell you this without telling you that you should do something about it, or providing you solutions for it.

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I think the popular thing to say is not "capitalism = bad", but to dismiss any alternative or questioning of it as communism.


Deg is an open communist so I don't know what that has to do with anything

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deg said:
Order-Sol said:


I wanna hear Amity say it since she got all answers. If that the case why are there so many poor people?


because rich people aka 1% right now do not want to be tax more for the sake of the 99% of people


You people cry about working 30 hours on here lol. You want more money U didnt earned gtfo. Poor people are entitled.
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I would say that I fall into this trap, despite not making the effort I could to actually follow through. I think growth is good, and you should strive to become more competent and productive at your craft (if it's something you enjoy and find worthwhile, this progress will feel good), but it's important to remember that work is just one facet of your life.
Mar 9, 2023 10:41 AM
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@Felori

ye its better to be against the 1% and some of the 99% are just misinformed for sure

@StarfireDragon

believe what you want mister capitalism and defender of the 1%

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deg said:


because rich people aka 1% right now do not want to be tax more for the sake of the 99% of people


You people cry about working 30 hours on here lol. You want more money U didnt earned gtfo. Poor people are entitled.


what? i work for 12 hours per day 6 days a week back when i was still at the workforce obviously i will complain about long working hours for peanut salary
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deg said:
MizunoWaveRider said:
The middle class and even some of the lower classes also don't want to pay more taxes. This is in part due to their mistrust that the taxes won't be used right, but also jealousy and just misunderstanding how UBI works.


ye you have a point there honestly the world right now is so rich due to technological progress so UBI is possible but ye the propaganda against it is strong
A friend of mine worked in a facility for disabled people in america for a year. He said 5 people used the same toothbrush. Those conditions are apparently common in america.
We live in an excess society where Tesla can produce 150,000 more cars a year than it needs to, yet 5 people need to use the same toothbrush just because they have disabilities and thus are not "productive".
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StarfireDragon said:
deg said:
capitalism is work or starve system


"He who does not work, neither shall he eat"
-Known capitalist Vladimir Lenin

Stop pretending that this is a problem inherent to capitalism. Scarcity of resources is the fundamental problem, like you already kbow, so you have no leg to stand on.

thats why there is the government welfare and social safety nets at work like universal basic income being propose and i want to vote for that personally


Nobody is saying you can't vote a certain way. The problem is that all this is just a distraction to avoid responsibility.

anyway my psychiatrist already said i lack initiative or motivation so my negative symptoms is worse than my positive symptoms


Either you are leaving something out of that, or you have a shitty psychiatrist, because no psychiatrist would tell you this without telling you that you should do something about it, or providing you solutions for it.

MizunoWaveRider said:
I think the popular thing to say is not "capitalism = bad", but to dismiss any alternative or questioning of it as communism.


Deg is an open communist so I don't know what that has to do with anything
Where did he say he is an open communist? I only saw him say he wants UBI, which is a welfare system that was first brought up and is still brought up by capistalists.
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believe what you want mister capitalism and defender of the 1%


This is exactly what we are saying, right here. Thanks for proving us right.

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Mar 9, 2023 10:46 AM
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StarfireDragon said:
Deg is an open communist so I don't know what that has to do with anything


where did you get that? again communism is far away since full automation is still not possible thats why UBI is good enough for now

StarfireDragon said:
deg said:
believe what you want mister capitalism and defender of the 1%


This is exactly what we are saying, right here. Thanks for proving us right.


err what point?

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deg said:


ye you have a point there honestly the world right now is so rich due to technological progress so UBI is possible but ye the propaganda against it is strong
A friend of mine worked in a facility for disabled people in america for a year. He said 5 people used the same toothbrush. Those conditions are apparently common in america.
We live in an excess society where Tesla can produce 150,000 more cars a year than it needs to, yet 5 people need to use the same toothbrush just because they have disabilities and thus are not "productive".


yep capitalism does not solve welfare its up to the government to do welfare and social safety nets
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@deg You get paid according to what skills you have. You aren't qualified to do anything other than clean and lift boxes. You ain't Gettin luxury car money, buddy.
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@deg You get paid according to what skills you have. You aren't qualified to do anything other than clean and lift boxes. You ain't luxury car money, buddy.


youre defending the status quo that is capitalism with its social darwinism while im looking for reforms to the cruel capitalism system
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@Felori

ye its better to be against the 1% and some of the 99% are just misinformed for sure

@StarfireDragon

believe what you want mister capitalism and defender of the 1%

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You people cry about working 30 hours on here lol. You want more money U didnt earned gtfo. Poor people are entitled.


what? i work for 12 hours per day 6 days a week back when i was still at the workforce obviously i will complain about long working hours for peanut salary


Yeah problem is that lot of people have a weak character let's be real, they would blow anyone with money or in power, even tho when they are lower or middle class themselves. They are just attracted to status etc, but that's also one reason why rich people will always stay in power. They show their fans "see if you are as immoral as I am, you could become this wealthy too."
Even if you could become disgustingly rich this way, I'd rather keep a human bone in my body.

Not saying people in charge should get the exactly same income in general, but it's more than enough to earn four times more than the average income of their company. That way you can live well, but you are not filthy rich.
Some companies especially owned by the state already established this before. If the management wants to earn more, they have to raise the average wages first.


What did you work to have 12 hour shifts? That's insane. It's mostly medical staff here. They have one or two of an 12 hour shift and are free for the next one to two days.
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Felori said:
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@Felori

ye its better to be against the 1% and some of the 99% are just misinformed for sure

@StarfireDragon

believe what you want mister capitalism and defender of the 1%



what? i work for 12 hours per day 6 days a week back when i was still at the workforce obviously i will complain about long working hours for peanut salary


Yeah problem is that lot of people have a weak character let's be real, they would blow anyone with money or in power, even tho when they are lower or middle class themselves. They are just attracted to status etc, but that's also one reason why rich people will always stay in power. They show their fans "see if you are as immoral as I am, you could become this wealthy too."
Even if you could become disgustingly rich this way, I'd rather keep a human bone in my body.

Not saying people in charge should get the exactly same income in general, but it's more than enough to earn four times more than the average income of their company. That way you can live well, but you are not filthy rich.
Some companies especially owned by the state already established this before. If the management wants to earn more, they have to raise the average wages first.


What did you work to have 12 hour shifts? That's insane. It's mostly medical staff here. They have one or two of an 12 hour shift and are free for the next one to two days.


reminds me some advocate for maximum wage if there is a minimum wage

and its factory work (japanese and taiwanese factories in here) i was a factory worker for most of my 8 years at the workforce
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Amityblight said:
@deg You get paid according to what skills you have. You aren't qualified to do anything other than clean and lift boxes. You ain't Gettin luxury car money, buddy.
Are you dumb or something? You went to college. Do you have any idea how much college gets subsidized? The only reason you were able to go to school and learn the skills needed to get a well-paying job is because people pay taxes. If people didn't pay taxes then you would be rotting away at a minimum wage job for the rest of your life because you would not be able to afford learning the skills for a better job.
And now imagine you were born into a rich family. These people's whole lifes are 100% subsidized by their parents, and they end up in a high position making a lot of money because they can afford the necessary education while the lower class people have to waste 12 hours every day lifting boxes. What @deg is asking for is UBI, which is in essence a subsidisation of every single person in our society, thus making the playing field more even.
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deg said:
internalized capitalism is a new term about feeling you should always grow more or work more also you feel guilty or worthless if youre not productive

i got avolition so i rarely get this for a long time now but for normies here how often do you feel this?

and thoughts?


Bit of a logistical problem. I feel like people who work hard have to travel the farthest and do the most while people who have the better paying jobs are more laid back to a worrying degree. I'm not jealous of these lucky 1 in 100 jobs either, but they're often in job sectors that work 3 hours a day and get paid triple figures.

Wouldn't complain if I had it easy because I've done the jobs that require disturbing amounts of fortitude.
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Capitalism favors generational wealth so if you're not born rich you're unlikely to become one.
Hustle/Self Improvement culture is filled with scam artists selling get quick rich schemes looking for an easy mark.
Working hard in capitalism by itself is pointless since it isn't a meritocracy.
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deg said:
reminds me some advocate for maximum wage if there is a minimum wage

and its factory work (japanese and taiwanese factories in here) i was a factory worker for most of my 8 years at the workforce

At your place I would have been pretended to be ill if I could have done that lol; you are actually ill.
You know, poor people are not only controlled by low wages, but also by insanely long working hours. You not only have no money to go to college, you have no time and energy after the end of your shift either, so higher education is only for the rich and upper middle class in these systems.

I read it from pilot projects in Switzerland and I think it was also Sweden and Norway. The managements commit themselves to raise minimum and average wages first, because they only get x times the minimum / average wage. Depends on the companies how much it is and how it looks like in reality.
If you as the management doesn't have enough respect of your workers to pay them more than the minimum wage, then you don't deserve respect and more money either. Simple as that.


Also I'm not "crying" over 30 hours, I like my job, these people do exist, but I won't engage with that troll either. Either you are trolling in most stupid way or you are just lashing out your own problems on everyone else and think disrespecting factory workers will increase your own value. Either way, the fuck I care.
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