(Manga) Question about the rumbling and Eren

deg said:


thats the point Eren have a dilemma or conflict of interest going on with balancing him wanting to do the rumbling and him wanting his friends to have a long life and he did both good enough

Aastik_V said:


Eren is a selfish character first , he wanted to rumble the world to gain freedom , he cared for his friends but not more than his selfish goal.
He didn't know that alliance would stop him if he knew he would never fight Armin with his collosal form . The alliance heavily outpowered eren . And his " i killed 80 percent of the world so u can live with peace " comes out as an excuse to justify his horrific actions , and do you really think eren would just let his friends kill him? He did all this just to be free ain't no way a character driven by freedom would just let his friends kill him
Paradis had to live in fear that's why they established their own army and historia took the helm.
" I would end the cycle of hatred"
" I will not let fate decide the future of paradis"
Well he did not end the cycle and he absolutely let the fate decide the future of paradis.

Aastik_V said:


Eren is a selfish character first , he wanted to rumble the world to gain freedom , he cared for his friends but not more than his selfish goal.
He didn't know that alliance would stop him if he knew he would never fight Armin with his collosal form . The alliance heavily outpowered eren . And his " i killed 80 percent of the world so u can live with peace " comes out as an excuse to justify his horrific actions , and do you really think eren would just let his friends kill him? He did all this just to be free ain't no way a character driven by freedom would just let his friends kill him
Paradis had to live in fear that's why they established their own army and historia took the helm.
" I would end the cycle of hatred"
" I will not let fate decide the future of paradis"
Well he did not end the cycle and he absolutely let the fate decide the future of paradis.

deg said:


again you people make it seem that its a black and white thinking or Eren has all or nothing thinking going on when it comes to his goal of freedom, there are cases in the manga where Eren cared for his friends too like when he said he wanted them to have a good life instead of inheriting his Attack Titan

what im saying is Eren is having some cognitive dissonance on his mind like normal people do

Tokoya said:
There was many things that Eren could have done that would have made a ton of sense in order to complete the Rumbling lol but yet here we are

Isayama decided to tell us that Eren, the man with all the knowledge and power in the world and then some, this vary same man whose ability surpasses space and time, that this very same man had no fucking idea what he was doing this whole time and instead decided to leave it all to Jesus Armin who in the end, contradicted his entire fucking character/goal and THANKED Eren for killing 80% of the world

I was going to respond to you too @Yetzest but your post has shown me that your head canon and just overall misinterpretation of everything is so strong that I'm not gonna even bother but what I will say about the first part is that YES, it is impossible for them achieve world peace.....That's why Eren was going to destroy the world lol

There was no conflict anymore in Paradis....That entire island was pro Eren and the only people who were trying to stop him were his friends lol - And as we saw 80-100 years later, the island was peaceful and thriving without a care in the world as a result of the psuedo freedom that Armin gave them....Imagine if they REALLY were free

deg said:


again you people make it seem that its a black and white thinking or Eren has all or nothing thinking going on when it comes to his goal of freedom, there are cases in the manga where Eren cared for his friends too like when he said he wanted them to have a good life instead of inheriting his Attack Titan

what im saying is Eren is having some cognitive dissonance on his mind like normal people do

Tokoya said:
I agree with him for the most part, but there isn't anything black and white about what he said though....That's why Eren is so nuanced here

Yetzest said:


If you aren’t gonna care for other’s argument than don’t bother joining a thread. I debunked any of your arguments and i gave you context for manga for my every argument yet you call this headcanon and misinterpretation (probably because it proves your “headcanon and misinterpretation” to be inconsistent with Attack On Titan.). If my argument was really that bad, it wouldn’t be hard proving it to be wrong like i did to yours. You just said Eren killing his friends would be a good ending. Like man his friends are literally HIS FREEDOM. Why the hell would he do that? He was willing to even give up on Rumbling for Mikasa (chapter 123). His freedom was literally Armin’s freedom, his scene (chapter 131 and pretty much every chapter Eren mentions Armin’s book.). I suggest you to reread AOT to comprehend it’s main theme and basic parts of Eren’s characterisation before calling my elaboration a headcanon and misinterpretation without elaborating.

Tokoya said:
You provided nothing but your own headcanon based interpretation for particular chapters, but if you want to truly be enlighten by a proper and accurate analysis of the manga I can show you the right path

Tokoya said:
You provided nothing but your own headcanon based interpretation for particular chapters, but if you want to truly be enlighten by a proper and accurate analysis of the manga I can show you the right path

Yetzest said:


You’ll enlighten me even thought you didn’t understand the basics of Eren’s characterisation? How ironic... You still didn’t provide any argument about how my analysis is a headcanon and a misinterpretation. So I higly suggest you to provide some argument and context from manga to prove how my analysis is wrong instead of trashtalking. In the last 2 replies you were just trashtalking and yet, here you are accusing me of adding nothing. I provided alot of context from manga how your headcanon Aoe thingy denies literally all of the aot manga and all of Eren’s character. Like how can you defend Aoe being consistent for Eren when it is literally the opposite of Eren, even for his most basic parts of his characterisation. Now go read my post and answer all of the questions i asked you, debunk all of my debunks and then prove how my analysis is headcanon and wrong. If you can’t (and so trashtalk) just leave the convo. I cba with people who can’t comprehend a story and deny when someone explains to them, also trashtalking to them.

Tokoya said:
Freedom for Paradis, not just himself....He doesn't do the Rumbling they get destroyed by the world, did you just forget that key plot point lol

The only way peace can be obtained is for Eren to kill them all...It's fucked up, but given the way the story has been written from the jump, it's really the only solution, because as we saw in the manga ending, Paradis/Armin trying to Talk no Jutsu the world into letting them live and co-exist peacefully ultimately fails (Which was fucking obvious from jump street) - hence why this ending in the manga is so fucking shit and makes no sense

The only thing Eren achieved is screwing over his people which is the complete opposite of his goal/who he is

Tokoya said:
Only Eren had his powers still (It's actually one of the reasons why people think that the loop will continue and thus cause AoE because he still had his Titan markings activated despite being dead/getting rid of the powers)

But as for his friends, this was the end that Armin ultimately wanted, not Eren, and as such Eren decided to put his faith in Armin to see if he can truly achieve that freedom he always wanted (Because here, we are supposed to believe that Armin is the true hero lol), and yes Armin managed to do just that....But that was only for him and his friends....Paradis never achieved freedom from the hatred/racism/pain subjected onto them by the world because as we saw, the world came back and obliterated them, no questions asked lol (And rightfully so too)

If they were free from it all, the island would still be populated and thriving and not a wasteland

deg said:


i mean Eren could have just put all his friends to sleep via his founding titan power and the PATHS until he completed the rumbling but he did not do so so that means he knows he will not complete the rumbling since he let his friends stop him

Tokoya said:
There was many things that Eren could have done that would have made a ton of sense in order to complete the Rumbling lol but yet here we are

Isayama decided to tell us that Eren, the man with all the knowledge and power in the world and then some, this vary same man whose ability surpasses space and time, that this very same man had no fucking idea what he was doing this whole time and instead decided to leave it all to Jesus Armin who in the end, contradicted his entire fucking character/goal and THANKED Eren for killing 80% of the world

I was going to respond to you too @Yetzest but your post has shown me that your head canon and just overall misinterpretation of everything is so strong that I'm not gonna even bother but what I will say about the first part is that YES, it is impossible for them achieve world peace.....That's why Eren was going to destroy the world lol

There was no conflict anymore in Paradis....That entire island was pro Eren and the only people who were trying to stop him were his friends lol - And as we saw 80-100 years later, the island was peaceful and thriving without a care in the world as a result of the psuedo freedom that Armin gave them....Imagine if they REALLY were free

Yogen-No-Ko said:


You must be incredibly naive to think that all the war and pain would have stopped if Eren actually killed the full 100% outside of the walls. It's made abundantly clear even at the beginning of the series that as long as there's more than one human, there's gonna be conflict (remember that dialogue between Eren and Pixis before the battle of Trost). At the end we see that the extremist yeagerists haven taken over control of the island and I feel like it's safe to say that they would have done the same if Eren went all the way. Now, do you really think everyone would just agree with what the yeagerists are doing? Paradis would have eventually destroyed itself in a civil war because it's human nature to seek conflict and defend one's view through violence.

Long story short: Paradis was doomed in any case, whether Eren killed the 100% or not.

If they were indeed focusing on fighting the said enemy you speak of, surely given all of their technological advancements since then, they wouldn't have easily been obliterated like lambs to the slaughter like they did in the end right? *Derp*

Yogen-No-Ko said:


@Tokoya

Who said that they were easily obliterated? Do you really think you can know the full context behind what happened with those few panels? We don't even know how much later Paradis was bombed. We also don't know if Paradis' enemies weren't bombed either. Also I was saying Paradis would turn on itself IF Eren eradicated the full 100% leaving only eldians... that didn't happen tho and because of that people around the world were really mad at Paradis and wanted revenge. But we really don't know when that revenge actually came to be and whether Paradis was just getting destroyed without putting up a fight.

You also seem oddly agressive with your replies there. I'm really not trying to turn this into a heated debate. I just wanna have a civil discussion, mate.