| I've been on forums and i've noticed some hate regarding shirou, for that i say why the hate? seriously, i've seen the show and i thought he was decent character, i somewhat like him in a way. so why do so many hate him? please tell me |
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| i think it's more about his pacifists ideals he's whines about having to fight people on a good part of the series (it's a fact), and due to his ideals, he hesitates in a lot of choices that could make sure that the war would be less...troublesome whinny as he is, the building of archer (future emyia) started like that, even if archer learned a lot after helping people, or becoming a counter guardian shirou (present) doesn't have that experience, so his ideals hold him back and, as seen on unlimited blade works (game), his ideals gently scarred his mind, as he knew that he would live a thankless life, but he simply couldn't abandon them as it was an important part of himself (a good example of resolve, even if he was damning himself) the main reasons PROBABLY are - he is clingy to saber (for someone who didn't have a lot of people on his life, wouldn't blame him, BUUUT, it must strike as annoying to some people) -his ideals hold him back (as seen in the form of archer, emyia shirou has the makings of a warrior, but his ideal of making everyone happy, keeps him from hurting other people) |
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| A lot of people just don't try to understand Shirou's perspective, or perhaps it's the anime's fault for not portraying it very well. Shirou's life is mostly useless to him. To him, it doesn't matter if it makes sense for Saber to fight, as his own life has no meaning. He lives only to save people, and he does not care about himself. For that same reason, he just doesn't care if he is being used if it's still helping someone. Our sense of life and death is irrelevant to Shirou, but people don't get that. He isn't dumb, and he understands the risks of what he does very well.' Also whenever I see that "people die when they are killed..." picture I want to yell "'AND THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD BE!' FINISH THE GODDAMN QUOTE YOU ASS HOLE!" |
Lordcrab86 said: I've been on forums and i've noticed some hate regarding shirou, for that i say why the hate? seriously, i've seen the show and i thought he was decent character, i somewhat like him in a way. so why do so many hate him? please tell me agreed, I like him and his stance on justice. |
Dusk252 said: I think his ideal is a really noble one as I've already stated and I do understand that he knows the risks of caring more about other people's lives than his own. However, his goal of saving everyone is pretty much unachievable and sticking to such a goal can be seen as either brave or pointless. Yes, saving everyone is unachievable, however it's a dream for a reason. He can understand fully that it's not possible to do so, and he'll have to settle for saving as many people as possible (the people around him). That doesn't mean he's going to drop his dream or make it less important to him. Dusk252 said: As for not minding being used, I find it stupid. And I'll explain it. He does everything anyone asks and that makes them depend on him, be lazy and feel superior. I don't think that a desirable way to help someone. Well, in Shinji's case, the guy was an ass hole and had a superiority complex far before Shirou met him. But most of the time it isn't bad to help someone like Issei. Dusk252 said: About Saber... She wanted to fight. Even assuming that Shirou's life is meaningless to himself, is it right to save someone against their will? Besides, when you said it makes no sense but Shirou doesn't care, he should. Even from his selfless perspective, dying for Saber would be a stupid thing to do because she would just disappear anyway and Shirou would lose lots of opportunities to help people in the future. And what for? Saber can still feel pain, and the act of dying has far less impact if she dissipates peacefully instead of getting bashed in by Berserker. He also doesn't think "well I might die here", he just instinctively moves to save her. This can be seen as dumb, but from his perspective, since his life has no meaning in the first place, he might as well try to save her. And it does work out in the end. |
| Shirou has an awesome sense of justice; however, he also needs a healthy dose of realism. That's what his character development is all about. I see myself as having taken a similar route. I've grown up heavily idealistic, and only now am getting a dose of realism. As such, I can sympathize with his character, perhaps more than some. |
| why the hate around him? In 1... or is it 2? Episodes he made me wanna throw brick at his face. (I never hated a character that fast) With Ilya Shirou's.... Stupidity ........ Seriously, I can't bring myself to like him at all... |
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AirStyles said: why the hate around him? In 1... or is it 2? Episodes he made me wanna throw brick at his face. (I never hated a character that fast) With Ilya Shirou's.... Stupidity ........ Seriously, I can't bring myself to like him at all... I agree completely. So far I'm a few episodes in and he is turning out to be very irritating. I may end up dropping this series just because of him. I know that sounds stupid but I cannot and will not tolerate stupid main characters. |
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Onlin3Mast3r said: Notice how in all three times, it's all about him. Shirou doesn't have a sense of self, he doesn't care if he's considered a loser. He wants to believe all people have good in them and that they can be saved. Also, he had already seen that inside Ilya's twisted head there was good (and there WAS good in Ilya's heart, she really liked Shirou and wanted to be a sister to him but she had conflicted feelings, plus an order to kill him by her family... also, she had been taught by a crazy madman and twisted into liking torture and thinking other lives don't matter). Shirou just understimated Ilya's ability, he didn't think she was a master of soul control magic (she can basically stop his body from moving just by looking at him).AirStyles said: why the hate around him? In 1... or is it 2? Episodes he made me wanna throw brick at his face. (I never hated a character that fast) With Ilya Shirou's.... Stupidity ........ Seriously, I can't bring myself to like him at all... I agree completely. So far I'm a few episodes in and he is turning out to be very irritating. I may end up dropping this series just because of him. I know that sounds stupid but I cannot and will not tolerate stupid main characters. |
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| I don't mind shirou being like that, he was better in FST unlimited blade works, a bit more badass. His future self is much better though. |
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| 'Cause he's fucking stupid? And full of self-righteous bullshit, I might add. As a female, I found his beliefs very insulting. Every time he threw himself in the fray to "save" whatever girl he was gonna screw next, I seriously wanted his ass burned. Oh, and looking dorky doesn't help, either. Edit: If you're just talking about anime Shirou, then nevermind. Just ignore me. I was ranting about VN Shirou, though if what people say about anime Shirou being "worse", then I can't imagine the horrors. |
| I don't understand the hate either. He only wants to fight when he has do because he doesn't like the idea of people dying, I that is a great ideal, other people seem to think of him as a wuss because of that. I admit at times he is a bit naive but I can get past that. |
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Keilis said: 'Cause he's fucking stupid? And full of self-righteous bullshit, I might add. As a female, I found his beliefs very insulting. Every time he threw himself in the fray to "save" whatever girl he was gonna screw next, I seriously wanted his ass burned. Oh, and looking dorky doesn't help, either. Like many others you are wrong at one thing.He doesnt want to save people because he thinks it's the right thing to do.He wants to save people because he feels good when others are saved/are happy.He wants to save people so that he can feel like Kiritsugu did when he saved him. If,lets say,Arturia was Arthur,Shirou would again try to stop him from fighting.It's not Shirou's fault that everyone he encounters is a girl/loli.Oh ,let's not forget that in UBW he decided to save Shinji(that IS a reason to hate him....) and he didnt want to have sex with him. Since you played the VN I guess you didnt like the fact that he did his best to save Sakura even if it meant the death of many innocent people which isnt his "ideal" at all.For once he cared about himself(even a bit) and didnt go derp Iwant everyone to be happy derp. And seriously....Shirou is the only male protagonist that tries to save the girl he is gonna screw next? |
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| ^Don't forget the fact that unlike, say, Tsukihime where Shiki sleeps with several women in some routes, Shirou is actually pretty loyal. He doesn't save people because of chauvinistic views although his logic when trying to stop, say Arturia, from fighting can come out as that because he doesn't put much thought into his words. |
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| Shirou also had a massive guilt complex in Fate. |
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| I think most of the hate comes from people who didn't read the Visual Novel. The anime didn't do the best job of portraying his character. I personally like Emiya Kiritsugu more as a protagonist, but Shirou was still a likeable protagonist. |
| He's a whiny, "self-righteous", thinks he can do everything on his own bitch. He tries doing everything himself without Saber because he holds onto the firm belief since she is a girl she should not be doing anything like fighting and such(When she's motherfucking powerful King Arthur), he fights thinking he CAN win under stupid odds which always gets himself hurt. He believes HE knows what is best for Saber trying to MAKE her stay with him instead of asking her what she WANTS all the way until pretty much the last God damn episode. Of course he has his retarded lines and jeez man the list goes on. @gatx375 It works both ways. I read and loved the VN but the way they portrayed his character in the anime was poorly done vs the VN Emiya Shirou. I tried liking him because I did in the VN but I just couldn't sadly. Anime wise yeah I definitely would choose Emiya Kiritsuga moreover. I know I'm being a bit unfair but honestly I never came across a main protagonist I didn't like this much so I may have gone overboard but when you feel like punching the guy through your monitor it tends to happen. |
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gatx375 said: I think most of the hate comes from people who didn't read the Visual Novel. The anime didn't do the best job of portraying his character. I personally like Emiya Kiritsugu more as a protagonist, but Shirou was still a likeable protagonist. This seems to be the most likely case. In the anime, his reasons for acting as he did weren't well explored, so he came off as a misogynistic douche. As far as I'm aware, in the VN, we actually learn that he places zero value on his own life, and this is the factor that drives him to self-sacrifice. While it doesn't make his ideals any less twisted, it gives the reader a little more insight into his character. I will support the position that as a stand-alone anime character, he is not a very likable character, and in fact is quite annoying. However, I think that in the case of this show, it's best to see the anime as a derivative work inferior to the depth of the original VN. (I'm playing the VN now so I can decide for myself, but this seems to be the most common conclusion reached by those who have played the VN and watched the anime, as far as I've seen). |
allrealelements said: gatx375 said: I think most of the hate comes from people who didn't read the Visual Novel. The anime didn't do the best job of portraying his character. I personally like Emiya Kiritsugu more as a protagonist, but Shirou was still a likeable protagonist. This seems to be the most likely case. In the anime, his reasons for acting as he did weren't well explored, so he came off as a misogynistic douche. As far as I'm aware, in the VN, we actually learn that he places zero value on his own life, and this is the factor that drives him to self-sacrifice. While it doesn't make his ideals any less twisted, it gives the reader a little more insight into his character. I will support the position that as a stand-alone anime character, he is not a very likable character, and in fact is quite annoying. However, I think that in the case of this show, it's best to see the anime as a derivative work inferior to the depth of the original VN. (I'm playing the VN now so I can decide for myself, but this seems to be the most common conclusion reached by those who have played the VN and watched the anime, as far as I've seen). Most of the reason for this is that we don't venture into his head as much as in the VN. Hear his thoughts. The whole VN is from his perspective mind. The anime is not so much so. |
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sagdashin said: Several shows have explored the "introspective" approach, the most well-known being Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu. You think that show would be even half as good if we wouldn't get to hear Kyon's internal opinions on every ocurrence? If we never got a glimpse at his mind all we would see is this completely uncaring boring guy hanging around a crazy girl. It's the same in many other LN's and VN's which is why a lot of adaptations fall flat. They fail to deliver a lot of important information the original material never conveys outwardly.allrealelements said: gatx375 said: I think most of the hate comes from people who didn't read the Visual Novel. The anime didn't do the best job of portraying his character. I personally like Emiya Kiritsugu more as a protagonist, but Shirou was still a likeable protagonist. This seems to be the most likely case. In the anime, his reasons for acting as he did weren't well explored, so he came off as a misogynistic douche. As far as I'm aware, in the VN, we actually learn that he places zero value on his own life, and this is the factor that drives him to self-sacrifice. While it doesn't make his ideals any less twisted, it gives the reader a little more insight into his character. I will support the position that as a stand-alone anime character, he is not a very likable character, and in fact is quite annoying. However, I think that in the case of this show, it's best to see the anime as a derivative work inferior to the depth of the original VN. (I'm playing the VN now so I can decide for myself, but this seems to be the most common conclusion reached by those who have played the VN and watched the anime, as far as I've seen). Most of the reason for this is that we don't venture into his head as much as in the VN. Hear his thoughts. The whole VN is from his perspective mind. The anime is not so much so. |
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| Resound some thoughts: Those that hate him didn't play the VN. His reasoning is always stupid, but that's because of what happened to him, how he felt after he was saved, and the mission that was "passed" to him by his Dad. That made him completely selfless. |
| I didn't like him at all, he was just like the main character of Maburaho. Completely selfless to a fault that even though if he sacrificed himself to save Saber she would die. Never listened to anybody just did what he wanted which was always wrong. Thought that he without any weapon could beat or didn't care if he could beat a servant. Didn't care if what he did brought more harm then good, as long as he felt happy. Gets mad when other people do something reckless, yet would kill himself if it would protect someone from getting a hangnail or having to get up to get the remote. I don't care about the VN, no matter what it said I would hate that kind of character. Not to mention they gave him Sasuke's voice so he sounded even worse. He is one of the main reasons why I scored this anime so low. |
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IntroverTurtle said: I didn't like him at all, he was just like the main character of Maburaho. Completely selfless to a fault that even though if he sacrificed himself to save Saber she would die. Never listened to anybody just did what he wanted which was always wrong. Thought that he without any weapon could beat or didn't care if he could beat a servant. Didn't care if what he did brought more harm then good, as long as he felt happy. Gets mad when other people do something reckless, yet would kill himself if it would protect someone from getting a hangnail or having to get up to get the remote. I don't care about the VN, no matter what it said I would hate that kind of character. Not to mention they gave him Sasuke's voice so he sounded even worse. He is one of the main reasons why I scored this anime so low. I took your post seriously until you said this. |
ssjokg said: IntroverTurtle said: I didn't like him at all, he was just like the main character of Maburaho. Completely selfless to a fault that even though if he sacrificed himself to save Saber she would die. Never listened to anybody just did what he wanted which was always wrong. Thought that he without any weapon could beat or didn't care if he could beat a servant. Didn't care if what he did brought more harm then good, as long as he felt happy. Gets mad when other people do something reckless, yet would kill himself if it would protect someone from getting a hangnail or having to get up to get the remote. I don't care about the VN, no matter what it said I would hate that kind of character. Not to mention they gave him Sasuke's voice so he sounded even worse. He is one of the main reasons why I scored this anime so low. I took your post seriously until you said this. And you say a voice isn't a reason that you shouldn't like a character? especially if it's from a character known as a whiny brat. Voice acting is something that affects how you watch an anime. |
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IntroverTurtle said: ssjokg said: IntroverTurtle said: I didn't like him at all, he was just like the main character of Maburaho. Completely selfless to a fault that even though if he sacrificed himself to save Saber she would die. Never listened to anybody just did what he wanted which was always wrong. Thought that he without any weapon could beat or didn't care if he could beat a servant. Didn't care if what he did brought more harm then good, as long as he felt happy. Gets mad when other people do something reckless, yet would kill himself if it would protect someone from getting a hangnail or having to get up to get the remote. I don't care about the VN, no matter what it said I would hate that kind of character. Not to mention they gave him Sasuke's voice so he sounded even worse. He is one of the main reasons why I scored this anime so low. I took your post seriously until you said this. And you say a voice isn't a reason that you shouldn't like a character? especially if it's from a character known as a whiny brat. Voice acting is something that affects how you watch an anime. So I should hate a character because his voice actor also did another character that happens to be "shitty".Shirou's character has nothing to do with Sasuke.Lets say Shirou had the same voice as Luffy would you like that?Id dont even want to imagine "Kotomine KIREI" with Luffy's voice. Sasuke being a whiny asshole has nothing to do with his voice or Shirou's personality. And if what you say is true then I should love Shinji since Kamiya Hiroshi is one of my favorite voice actors.Or I should hate all the other chars he voiced because he did that asshole too. |
ssjokg said: So I should hate a character because his voice actor also did another character that happens to be "shitty".Shirou's character has nothing to do with Sasuke.Lets say Shirou had the same voice as Luffy would you like that?Id dont even want to imagine "Kotomine KIREI" with Luffy's voice. Sasuke being a whiny asshole has nothing to do with his voice or Shirou's personality. And if what you say is true then I should love Shinji since Kamiya Hiroshi is one of my favorite voice actors.Or I should hate all the other chars he voiced because he did that asshole too. I never said to not like him for the sole reason of his voice actor, I meant it as if I didn't like him before up to 99% then his voice bumped it up to 100%. I would be lying if I said that the voices that a voice actor did didn't affect my view of the characters at all, when the characters act similar you are reminded of them, whether it be for good or bad. And his refusal to listen to anybody else's reason and only listen to his own is similar to Sasuke's. I like Kamiya Hiroshi's voice acting too, and didn't like Shinji but it doesn't affect me at all. It only affected me for Emiya Shirou because of my extreme dislike for Sasuke and that his voice in my mind is whiny. |
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| Shirou isnt like Sasuke at all.Except for the voice they have nothing in common.Even story wise,except both of them being orphans, their characters do not share anything. |
ssjokg said: Shirou isnt like Sasuke at all.Except for the voice they have nothing in common.Even story wise,except both of them being orphans, their characters do not share anything. I already said that their not caring for other people's opinions, and thinking only theirs is correct is what I found similar and made me think of the fact that they share the same voice actor. And if that doesn't work then because I didn't like both of their characters so it reminded me of them. |
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IntroverTurtle said: Apparently you confused Shirou with Tohsaka RIn somewhere along the way.ssjokg said: Shirou isnt like Sasuke at all.Except for the voice they have nothing in common.Even story wise,except both of them being orphans, their characters do not share anything. I already said that their not caring for other people's opinions, and thinking only theirs is correct is what I found similar and made me think of the fact that they share the same voice actor. And if that doesn't work then because I didn't like both of their characters so it reminded me of them. |
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Leon-Gun said: IntroverTurtle said: Apparently you confused Shirou with Tohsaka RIn somewhere along the way.ssjokg said: Shirou isnt like Sasuke at all.Except for the voice they have nothing in common.Even story wise,except both of them being orphans, their characters do not share anything. I already said that their not caring for other people's opinions, and thinking only theirs is correct is what I found similar and made me think of the fact that they share the same voice actor. And if that doesn't work then because I didn't like both of their characters so it reminded me of them. I don't think I did, but I don't like her either. The thread was just about him. |
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IntroverTurtle said: Leon-Gun said: IntroverTurtle said: Apparently you confused Shirou with Tohsaka RIn somewhere along the way.ssjokg said: Shirou isnt like Sasuke at all.Except for the voice they have nothing in common.Even story wise,except both of them being orphans, their characters do not share anything. I already said that their not caring for other people's opinions, and thinking only theirs is correct is what I found similar and made me think of the fact that they share the same voice actor. And if that doesn't work then because I didn't like both of their characters so it reminded me of them. I don't think I did, but I don't like her either. The thread was just about him. What Shirou never listens to is advise about how that magical thing works,how that magical being acts and how dangerous they are.Shirou was trained in magecraft by Kiritsugu(if you call that training) but he isnt a magus.He CANT understand what is going on most of the time.And Shirou participated in the war to make sure a tragedy wont occur.All the advice he got from Rin and Saber was "Dont do a thing".Yeah the anime should have ended right after the first battle with Berserker. Sasuke is a shinobi(supposedly a genius too) that doesnt understand a thing about other shinobi and doesnt even want to listen to what other more knowledgeable shinobi(lets say Itachi)have to say.The same goes for the rest of the kids in Naruto. |
| And just to mention, Shirou does listen to advice, so long as it's not advice that tells him "don't do anything at all and let others die for you". For example, Archer gave him a LOT of tips about how to use his powers, and he followed his advice. |
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Leon-Gun said: And just to mention, Shirou does listen to advice, so long as it's not advice that tells him "don't do anything at all and let others die for you". For example, Archer gave him a LOT of tips about how to use his powers, and he followed his advice. True, because it was an advice he could actually use.And above all he understood what Archer was talking about.Although the last part may be because... you know... it was him giving advice to himself. |
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Dragon_Slayer_X said: I only wanted to punch Shirou/Archer when he said a girl shouldn't fight............but other than that i like him as a character and he eventually became Archer after realizing his mistakes and the flaws in his ideals later. Just out of curiousity why do people like an asshole like Gil and not Shirou??? Mainly because of FZ.Also somehow his logic makes much more sense than Shirou's most of the time even in FSN. |
Dragon_Slayer_X said: I only wanted to punch Shirou/Archer when he said a girl shouldn't fight............but other than that i like him as a character and he eventually became Archer after realizing his mistakes and the flaws in his ideals later. Just out of curiousity why do people like an asshole like Gil and not Shirou??? Shirou is largely misunderstood by people who only watched the anime. The anime chose to adapt a route that wasn't focused on his development as a character and DEEN also did it half assedly so that he came off as a chauvinistic prick. Gil was an asshole in the VN as well. I admit I felt entirely apathetic towards him throughout the VN because I thought he was just a one dimensional villain character. Then I read Zero and the novel gave him so much development and characterization I have no other choice but to worship him as my king for the rest of my life. |
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Dragon_Slayer_X said: I finished all 3 routes on the VN and personally UBW would have been much better as a series...........more development, more action and others. But even so Gil is still an ass. Couldn't he just fight fairly all those time? His fights follow a similar pattern............restricts opponent with Enkidu then kills them with EA..........his personality is interesting but his behaviour and style in really annoying........atleast to me. But Shirou definitely deserves better than most people make him out to be. What do you mean by Gil fighting fair? Alexander:Has a few thousands of Servants as a NP.:-| Shirou:Avalon,UBW,Archer helping him. Heracles:God Hand is hax by itself. Saber:Avalon Dark Sakura:self explained. Gil doesnt need plot armor to win unlike some of the above. |
Dragon_Slayer_X said: Yeah but he can't win unless he binds his opponents with the chains or Enkidu......... FUN FACT............every time he doesn't use Enkidu, he loses. And personally i prefer Alexander's personality over Saber or Gil. I still dont see how he "cheated". He just had to use Ea on Heracles instead of NPs and Enkidu.The end.Unless you mean that Caliburn is stronger than Ea. He could have used Ea on Rider instead targeting his RM. Against Gil is just how much he is willing to do against you and the amount of plot armor you have.Nothing more nothing less. |
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