Kuroshitsuji II Episode 7 Discussion

Astrid_ said:
Guykl, Alois is a sadist, but Ciel shot a man and was ready to kill a boy in cold blood.

Kathleena said:


Ciel has is own reasons to kill people, that one was personal the men did burn his house and destroyed his childhood, revenge is a dish served cold.
While having revange he can't be like: Oh wait...ok i'll kill you in a gentle way or oh i'll spare you so don't do anything bad anymore. OFC, Alois is innocent, but does Ciel knows, no he doesn't he was feed a lie by Sebastian, Ciel is still a kid, so he can still be manipulated by a Demon since he trusts Sebastian a lot like Alois Trusts Claude.

Anyways. didn't mean to offense was just saying an opinion o.o

Kathleena said:

Ciel has is own reasons to kill people, that one was personal the men did burn his house and destroyed his childhood, revenge is a dish served cold.
While having revange he can't be like: Oh wait...ok i'll kill you in a gentle way or oh i'll spare you so don't do anything bad anymore. OFC, Alois is innocent, but does Ciel knows, no he doesn't he was feed a lie by Sebastian, Ciel is still a kid, so he can still be manipulated by a Demon since he trusts Sebastian a lot like Alois Trusts Claude.

Anyways. didn't mean to offense was just saying an opinion o.o

Kathleena said:
Ciel has is own reasons to kill people, that one was personal the men did burn his house and destroyed his childhood, revenge is a dish served cold.
While having revange he can't be like: Oh wait...ok i'll kill you in a gentle way or oh i'll spare you so don't do anything bad anymore. OFC, Alois is innocent, but does Ciel knows, no he doesn't he was feed a lie by Sebastian, Ciel is still a kid, so he can still be manipulated by a Demon since he trusts Sebastian a lot like Alois Trusts Claude.

Anyways. didn't mean to offense was just saying an opinion o.o

Gamer2009 said:

And what about Alois? How do you know Hanna didn't do something to him?

And for the record, Alois is just a kid too. In fact, both are 14 years old.

EarlCiel said:


Ciel may still be a kid, but he acts way above than he is. All might an powerful or wtv.
But being a kid doesn't excuse him from his actions. He's better than the Ciel
I thought I knew.

Ciel may be manipulated by Sebastian, but his rage and anger causes him
to react as lowly as he did to Alois and that other man he shot. At least Alois can control his rage.
In the first season, he didn't do that, even if he wanted revenge badly.
He always ordered Sebastian to do it. He's completely mad and angered
by Alois and decides to "do it by him self"

Astrid_ said:
I think Ciel wants to do things by himself because Alois is a kid like him. I would have liked to see how he would have managed things if his enemy was Claude. The hell he would have fought againist him in a duel. Even in the first season, he let Sebastian do the dirty job for him. He simply figured out that Alois is not that hard to kill if Claude isn't there to protect him.

EarlCiel said:
hannah may not look evil, but looks do not explain the character
as much as their actions. She may look down and get scared of Alois,
but she doesn't put up with him because she pities this boy, that would be
too obvious. She has a lot of weapons on her, and when she was facing off
with Sebastian, she showed a little side of her we never knew, she acted
like she was over-confident she could beat him or something. She's not
a modest human maid. She's not even human, I bet.

Of course ANYONE would get angry if they saw the person who killed their parents right in front of them, but the problem is that the enemy is NOT the one and he goes
on and strikes Alois like he's 100% sure he's the one.
It IS NOT Ciel's fault he's being manipulated and he's being the "puppet for
the demons to toy around with". I never said it was his fault. But I know,
that if Ciel had not lost his memories, he would definitely act differently
as he did so in this episode.

I don't blame Ciel for trying to fight back, though because it looked like
Alois would've srsly stabbed Ciel. o - o"
But the way Claude acted was just UNACCEPTABLEEE

EarlCiel said:
I think he's going to be crying to Hannah because he was betrayed by
Claude and had no one else to turn to. Alois sees that his servants
and maid are loyal to him, I bet, but Alois is too blind to realize it because
his whole life, everything he does is dedicated and set to Claude.
I'd rather Alois survive the duel rather than Ciel, but I really do hope
Alois is just injured. otherwise I'd be really pissed off at ciel. and
even more pissed of at claude.

EarlCiel said:
I knowww that but stillllll TT______TT
I can't forgive ciel, I just can't.
If alois dies, it isn't as simple as that. Now we know, that
Alois isn't really who we think he is. Alois is Jim Machen therefore
Alois is NOT the real heir of the Trancy household. Ciel needs
to kill the heir of the Trancy in order to "get his revenge" and so
Ciel isn't aiming for the right person. "Jim" is completely innocent.
Ciel won't die until the find the real heir, who might not even be alive

Gamer2009 said:

Let me remind you that Angela looked and acted the same exact way that Hanna is acting right now. And then looked what happened to Angela :l Besides, the girl is pulling a freaking 500 pound war gun out from under her dress. She's totally innocent. [/sarcasm]

And yes, Alois is pretty scary. I'd hang myself if I was his maid.

Gamer2009 said:

Let me remind you that Angela looked and acted the same exact way that Hanna is acting right now. And then looked what happened to Angela :l Besides, the girl is pulling a freaking 500 pound war gun out from under her dress. She's totally innocent. [/sarcasm]

And yes, Alois is pretty scary. I'd hang myself if I was his maid.

Kathleena said:

No she might be a Demon, she did ...she...pfft.. Claude did take out of her a Demonkin Sword =___=; yet till now she has remained totally loyal and look at the preview, Alois IS...IS...ISSSSS gonna go cry on top of her, not rape, CRY becuz "MAYBE" Claude is gonna betray him.

Kathleena said:
..yet till now she has remained totally loyal and look at the preview, Alois IS...IS...ISSSSS gonna go cry on top of her, not rape, CRY becuz "MAYBE" Claude is gonna betray him.

EarlCiel said:
Then I'd hang myself because this kid is just too hard to deal with. lol

EarlCiel said:
She had the face of someone pitying another.
I think anyone would listen to alois, rofl.
Listen or loose the other eye, make the choiceeee
Lol, no, but on a serious note, he's real lucky he has hannah,
he probably never thought of her has someone he can go to for comfort since
he's always only interested in Claude

EarlCiel said:
Let us leave that to your imagination.

EarlCiel said:


Just so you know, your 'pathetic' response made me laugh.
Alois suffered plenty of times in his life, and this is just one of the times he has suffered. His past ; suffering and pain. Now ; suffering and pain. When Claude betrayed him; suffering AND pain. Alois's face as Claude refused to help him was the face of someone who was betrayed.
Are you saying that sort of a face is disgusting? Are all the faces of those betrayed
by someone disgusting? Hideous? No, it's pitiable and only people who know the true extent of pain betrayal is, would understand how Alois felt.
Alois looked up to Claude, Claude meant everything to him and Claude
is the only one Alois can rely on. Do you know how it feels to be betrayed?
You put all your burdens on someone, you give them all your trust. Then
just like that, everything you believed in disappeared.

Alois isn't a sadist, a sadist is someone who obtains pleasure from inflicting pain or others. The only support you have for Alois being a sadist is what he did to
Hannah and you SHOULD know by now that he didn't do that do her because he enjoyed seeing her in pain. He did it to gain attention from the only person he trusts and has to rely on, Claude. You barely even know about hannah.

I don't mind you stating your opinoin, but it's better to consider things
more deeply than blurt something completely offensive to many.
I respect everyone's comment, and I'm sorry if I get aggressive at times..
but this is just so I can state out my opinion as well. Not trying to get you
to hate me or pick up this fight with you.

guyklc said:
I'm a little bit confused what you mean by Alois looked up to Claude. For the most part, he treats him like shit, just like he treats everybody else like shit (especially Hannah).

And I did admit Alois suffered, didn't I? That's why I took joy in it. Alois made other people suffered, and it came back to hunting him. It's call karma.

Astrid_ said:
Guys, I still believe that Hannah has her own reasons to put up with Alois. It's not like she has no choice but to endure everything. I mean come on, she fought against a DEMON using any kind of weapon and she's twice Alois' size. Do you really believe she couldn't knock him out if she wanted to?
If CIEL, who's widely known to be completely helpless without Sebastian fighting his battles, managed to nearly kill Alois, it means that ANYONE could do the same.
And though you guys are right when you say the only ones to blame here are the demons, I think we need to differentiate between Sebastian and Claude.
Sebastian is certainly breaking the rules, but he still follows every order Ciel gives him and he still protects him. But Claude didn't simply break the rules, Claude royally F****D UP the whole principle a contract between a demon and a human is based upon!

Kathleena said:

Well not really cuz Alois didn't Die and he came late with Sebastian, he couldn't protect Alois, he was already stabbed and I don't think they can instantaneous Heal Wounds so to cuddle Alois or not he would still faint of blood loss. LIke I said in one of my previous post: Sebastian is always teasing and cuddling Ciel *PEDO!*, he's a LOT warmer then Claude who is pretty Cold and strict and even if, he is just Using Alois to acquire Ciel's soul, I don,t think he actually CARES about Alois.
So Alois is a sad character who is going to be given up.

beh a contract signed to get a soul of another*Alois's soul will still be eaten*!

Astrid_ said:


Well it's true that Alois had already been stabbed when Claude got there, but it's not as if Claude helped him as soon as he could. He was too busy having an orgasm after tasting Ciel's blood, then making arrangements with Sebastian about when they should resume the danse macabre, and then fantasizing about Ciel IN FRONT OF HIS MASTER WHO WAS BLEEDING TO DEATH. No I mean, there's simply no excuse for him.
Sebastian may be behaving like a bastard, but as you said, he's a lot warmer than Claude and he would have NEVER done such a thing to Ciel.

Vanisher said:
At least Ciel hasnt become gay yet.

alois is pathetic.

EarlCiel said:
Demons have principles to serve their bellies first, but that doesn't change the fact they made a deal with their master, they made a contract.
It was more than a duty, his job is to be loyal to his master and protect him. It's
not really a choice, "ohh, I don't feel like rescuing the master I made a contract
with so I'll just stand here and admire another person.."
Did you notice how Sebastian knew that Ciel was in this fight? Must have been his
instincts or something but that's how they got to Alois and Ciel.
Claude didn't care, in fact if Sebastian hadn't stopped midway in the fight
Alois would've just died right there on the spot.

Ciel's soul may be the ultimate and most "tasty" one but Claude did say
that his master's soul was pretty good as well. Does he just abandon what he says?
What kind of a butler is he? He's always telling Sebastian, "OHH a true butler blah blah blah" and crap but let me tell you something, Claude.
A TRUE butler sticks to their master and helps them when they are in need, oh
and maybe when they are suffering. MAYBE. No, SURELY.

EarlCiel said:

The reason I hate Claude is that he doesn't even consider about Alois.
I don't care if you go on about how demons are all like that, but then SCREW DEMONS and their stupid hunger for souls. Alois is suffering not from the stab in his stomach,
but from the hole that has been punched right through his heart by Claude.
The cold hearted freak doesn't know that, and he may be excused since he is
a "demon" and it is only "natural" for him to do by YOU... but I'll never forgive him.

EarlCiel said:
You see, Claude is a demon although
Claude COULD HAVE (hence the bolded words) gone over there and stopped Ciel from killing his master, but he DID NOT.
Claude is disobeying himself AND his master, I understand that yes, he's a demon and YES he really wants Ciel's soul but he already dedicated himself to
Alois, made a contract with him. ALREADY.
Of course Claude would stop and stare since he KNOWS that if Ciel kills Alois,
he'll get his soul although how STUPID could he be? If Ciel kills Alois,
he'd be killing the wrong person.
Doesn't Claude know that? Or is he too blind to see that?
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Claude MAY NOT BE AT FAULT since he IS a demon, I understand his position
but it isn't ALL ABOUT CLAUDE. There's Alois too.
Do you have any idea how Alois felt the whole way? Obviously,
Alois knew that Claude wanted Ciel ALL ALONG. When I think about Alois's
feeling of getting betrayed by someone he trusts, and the ONLY PERSON he can depend on. Yes, ALOIS IS TOO BLIND TO SEE THAT CLAUDE ISN'T TRUSTWORTHY.
But how is Alois supposed to react to that? He's been betrayed his whole life
and then he comes up to someone that he can finally depend on.
This person JUST SO HAPPENS, to be a demon so of course he's cold hearted.
Of course he doesn't CARE AT ALL about Alois.

The reason I hate Claude is that he doesn't even consider about Alois.
I don't care if you go on about how demons are all like that, but then SCREW DEMONS and their stupid hunger for souls. Alois is suffering not from the stab in his stomach,
but from the hole that has been punched right through his heart by Claude.
The cold hearted freak doesn't know that, and he may be excused since he is
a "demon" and it is only "natural" for him to do by YOU... but I'll never forgive him.

Principles said:
behh. claude's a liar. there's betraying somebody and then there's
betraying someone when they first told him that they'd be there for
them no matter what.
so to conclude. claude's a backstabbing, cold-hearted, lying, bastard who
just so happens to be a demon butler.

I believed stupid claude. he fed alois lies since the beginning and he
excepted alois to be comforted by those things. alois isn't that stupid.
geez.

Principles said:
I agreeeeee with EarlCiel
it's complicated now that there are twooo earlsss TT , TT