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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- While it was your standard transitional chapter, I really liked that we got to dwelve into SS lore a bit more, whats with the explanations of the trains and etc. Interesting tidbits, like indications on how much chakra Isshin has, the fact that Isshin most likely knows more about Zangetsu than he is letting on and etc... And we finally saw Tatsuki again~ good to see here, I wonder what kinds of powers did she pick up. 4/5 |
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| lol so first ichigo learn how to lend the power of the sword and hollow, he defeast the hollow, now he must defeast his own sword, the true bankai form of zanketsu omg cant wait for the fights |
| i am going to be the i the one with the biggest manga pocket collgection url=http://myanimelist.net/animelist/enerjak&sclick=1]  [/url] |
| ZOMG NEW CHARACTERS!?! |
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| ermm it was alrite, i guess. nothing really special. |
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| Great Ichigo is getting Hyperbolic Time Chamber training on crack and learning how to harness the true power of the Super Sai-- Getsuga Tenshou. |
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| Thank God there was no lame fights.. the humor as always sucked as usual.. and here's hoping ichigo's powers will power up next chapter still did they left urahara there ? this was such a disapointed moment.. such a brilliant character killed now.. just like Renji after SS arc |
| sooooooooo aizen isn't going to do anything for a whole hour? "Gin, the weather's so nice don't you think? let's have some tea for now" also what are they going to eat for 3months? |
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| OMG this is really super-interesting!!!! WHAT is going to happen next week?! *faints* |
| Wow, he decides to bring back minor characters that we haven't seen in like what, 200+ chapters? Here's hoping some of them get pwned, hard. Terrible chapter, goes without saying. INB4 12 chapters of hyperbolic time chamber. |
| Eh, still better than usual. Messing with time is a bad idea in so many ways I don't even know where to start, but I wanted setting development and I got it. That said, the new power-up still reeks of bullshit and the chapter flew by way too fast. ReaperEXE said: Yeah, what a retarded ide-wait, how the hell is that a problem? It's really unlikely that they'll be of any use, but it's hardly wrong to show who Ichigo's saving this time. Also, Tatsuki is a relic from the good part of Bleach. She needs to pop up more often. Surely Kubo can spare one of his silly power-ups.Wow, he decides to bring back minor characters that we haven't seen in like what, 200+ chapters? |
| not really an exciting chapter, but im looking forward to the next |
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| Boring as hell. Every time Kubo tries to explain something, he makes it seem even more retarded than before knowing. Although I do commend him for his originality concerning the "2000 hours here is 1 hour outside". I believe DBZ's Hyperbolic Time Chamber is "1 year in here is 1 day outside". You see the subtle differences that make Kubo so innovating? |
Jesuvius said: Although I do commend him for his originality concerning the "2000 hours here is 1 hour outside". I believe DBZ's Hyperbolic Time Chamber is "1 year in here is 1 day outside". You see the subtle differences that make Kubo so innovating? oh now i remember where i have seen this thing =)))) |
Avarice said: Heh, yeah. I can barely remember them.ZOMG NEW CHARACTERS!?! |
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Mammoth said: That said, the new power-up still reeks of bullshit. Well, when you think about it, it could have been seen from a mile ago. Every previous power-0up was foreshadowing - Ichigo kept trying to "control" his sword instead of actually working with it, learning from it - it would always end up with him being able to mindlessly swing around th e power the sword has, without any sort of...refinement to it. The only time Ichigo and Zangetsu worked together waswhen they fought against Kenpachi. After that Ichigo kept trying to "steal" some power and it would always come to bite him in the ass, up to the point that he no longer controlled his power. Thats the same as if you kept kicking your horse instead of trying to understand why it does and how it does what it does and try to work together towards the finish line. Jesuvius said: Boring as hell. Every time Kubo tries to explain something, he makes it seem even more retarded than before knowing. Although I do commend him for his originality concerning the "2000 hours here is 1 hour outside". I believe DBZ's Hyperbolic Time Chamber is "1 year in here is 1 day outside". You see the subtle differences that make Kubo so innovating? At least in bleech it WAS EXPLAINED (unlike the dbz's "it is the way it is" stuff). And Isshin implied that there's more to it. |
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| And just as it was starting to get good again, we get this.....yet another generic training arc. However I do like the reintroduction of the minor characters...what I don't like is the fact they all knows it's to do with Ichigo, and they're all "we he'll come save us" and they'll just run around crying for a while until Mayuri and co mirculously arrive only to get beaten to within an inch of they're lives when suddenly Isshin and Ichigo turn up to rescue them all (Because we all know there'll be some sort of "tension building" problem causing them to spend more than one hour of outside time in there)....or at least that's how I see it. So for pathetic power up and generally too much "save us Ichigo" rather than actual action from the characters.....2/5 |
| it is like the Room of Spirit & Time :S |
| lightness vs. darkness Nani mo kamo wo hoshigatteita Mayoeru mono no chikai Mada miru sekai o tsukuridasu koto Kuchi hateteiku |
| I was glad to see some old faces like Tatsuki and Keigo. :D Also staring at Isshin. <3 |
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Fai said: At least in bleech it WAS EXPLAINED (unlike the dbz's "it is the way it is" stuff). And Isshin implied that there's more to it. Still doesn't make it a new idea. And as far as the explanation goes, it doesn't mean anything what he said. He just said "raging streams of time", like time is water. Isshin telling Ichigo he doesn't have to get it is just so Kubo doesn't have to provide us with a real explanation. Man, how can a world be dense? And how does that affect time? |
| Well the High schoolers are finally back after 200 chapters!!! yay Ichigo can go super sayian, how nice and original -_- |
Jesuvius said: Fai said: At least in bleech it WAS EXPLAINED (unlike the dbz's "it is the way it is" stuff). And Isshin implied that there's more to it. Still doesn't make it a new idea. And as far as the explanation goes, it doesn't mean anything what he said. He just said "raging streams of time", like time is water. Isshin telling Ichigo he doesn't have to get it is just so Kubo doesn't have to provide us with a real explanation. Man, how can a world be dense? And how does that affect time? Real World Time is only dimension, the fourth one on which the three other move. The amount it can cover in the same length, the density, depends on the speed. Certain factors, like strong gravity(black hole) can cuase a time dilation, causing the time tiself move faster or slower the closer you are to the factor. Theoretically the higher density of place or higher speed or outside factor would directly affect the flow of time as seen from outside the most logical conclusion on why both SS and the tunnel-place have different time-flow from "real world" is that there's something affecting all the three places.. |
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| Wow good chapter one of the best in a while. It wasn't even short. |
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Fai said: Since he didn't even notice Shirosaki took over, you might be right here (then again, we don't see captains cooperating either). But the whole point of bankai was understanding and working with your sword and playing that card a second time is rather stupid. And why did nobody mention this earlier in front of the genius they planned to rely on in their battle? I bet it'll be all the rage the moment Ichigo masters it, too.Well, when you think about it, it could have been seen from a mile ago. Every previous power-0up was foreshadowing - Ichigo kept trying to "control" his sword instead of actually working with it, learning from it - it would always end up with him being able to mindlessly swing around th e power the sword has, without any sort of...refinement to it. The only time Ichigo and Zangetsu worked together waswhen they fought against Kenpachi. After that Ichigo kept trying to "steal" some power and it would always come to bite him in the ass, up to the point that he no longer controlled his power. Thats the same as if you kept kicking your horse instead of trying to understand why it does and how it does what it does and try to work together towards the finish line. Besides, let's face it, the countless power-ups in shounen manga are pretty much bullshit by definition. Especially in a universe where shit is supposed to literally take ages. Fai said: But such a convenient thing should've been brought up earlier. They could use it for training, planning or development, possibly even (controlled) time travel. And a wall of raging time currents (the fuck does that even mean) should make any communication between the two worlds really damn hard.At least in bleech it WAS EXPLAINED (unlike the dbz's "it is the way it is" stuff). And Isshin implied that there's more to it. Fai said: Do they? Soul society's time flows at a different rate? I thought it was just the aging that was different (and by that I mean completely random). Well, whatever. Looking forward to the revelation that the ridiculously slow pacing was just foreshadowing Aizen's time density-manipulation powers.the most logical conclusion on why both SS and the tunnel-place have different time-flow from "real world" is that there's something affecting all the three places.. |
Nyuu3Jun 16, 2010 3:03 PM
| My only question is, where the hell is Urahara? I really don't think he's even close to have been defeated. He's at least on the same level of power as Isshin. I'm still holding him as a good character, Im begging Kubo not to make him another Renji. |
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| 3/5 I wanted to give it a 4 because I got to see characters I liked, but hadn't seen in god knows how many chapters. But really it wasn't terribly exciting or special. This did confirm two things for me though. I'm sure now that Aizen pulled that asshole move from last chapter just for this. He's way too smart not to know what giving them that much breathing room would do. The second is that I guess they're going to give Ichigo a major boost. Ichigo doesn't do much real training. The ones for Bankai and Vizard techniques are the only other times I've seen him train hard. Everything else has been pulled out of his ass mid battle. Hopefully that justifies this plot device.  |
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Mammoth said: Since he didn't even notice Shirosaki took over, you might be right here (then again, we don't see captains cooperating either). But the whole point of bankai was understanding and working with your sword and playing that card a second time is rather stupid. And why did nobody mention this earlier in front of the genius they planned to rely on in their battle? I bet it'll be all the rage the moment Ichigo masters it, too. Besides, let's face it, the countless power-ups in shounen manga are pretty much bullshit by definition. Especially in a universe where shit is supposed to literally take ages. We did see Captains(mostly hitsugaya) understanding their swords. Hitsugaya even had entire gaiden chapter where he "learnt" and began to understood and learn from his sword in order to control its power which, while uncontrolled was practically killing others by just being around him. Ichigo got Zangetsu to "allow" him to use him. Ichigo lacked the thousands of years of experience of shinigami(like Isshin said this chapter) and did not know how to actually LEARN from his sword spirit. The result was a bankai with overall quality yet no particular special abilities. Even Ichigo's GT is always portrayed as some sort of violent/uncontroled "blast", in comparison of Isshin's pretty much "centered" powerful swing-lik GT. Just like Isshin said, Ichigo will now need to learn to talk to his sword and understand him, possibly allowing Ichigo to "learn" various usage of his bankai. As for everyone else not telling a thing - oh but they did. Byakuya when he saved Ichigo from Yami pretty much stated that he is regarding Ichigo as trash, while "acknowledging" the power he has. Unohana had a similar stance, that "it can't be helped". And especially considering s Unohana was talking about Ichigo's reiatsu/powers/etc, Ichigo was failing to do the simplest task of shinigami. As for power-up well, isshin dis state that it takes thousands of years to actually completely master your sword(possibly implying that Isshin IS older than Yama). Ichigo will just have to try to learn enough from his sword to actually properly control his power. Mammoth said: But such a convenient thing should've been brought up earlier. They could use it for training, planning or development, possibly even (controlled) time travel. And a wall of raging time currents (the fuck does that even mean) should make any communication between the two worlds really damn hard. It was already used - remember how back during SS arc, the gang was chased by the train and arrived 3 days EARLIER than they left? They encountered those currents backthen too. It was also stated that butterflies sort of allow shinigami to "shortcut-through the place without meeting any of that stuff. now what is interesting in this chapter is that that place was a penal colony, sort of exile realm. yet something obviously changed that forced shinigami to actually create a prison inside SS and STOP using that place for that purpose. |
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| Ichigo trying to master the technique and Naruto trying to control nine tails. Kinda similar |
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| So yes, Aizen and Gin will defiantly stay there for one hour doing nothing but walking around while Ichigo trains. To be honest I'd actually chase after Aizen while Karakura is still standing while I'm pretty weak(since I just know I'll most likely get a Hollow boost), instead of becoming strong enough to fight Aizen, but Aizen having already destroyed Karakura town. Well that's just my opinion anyways...Don't yell at me! |
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| I know how a goddamn time chamber works Kubo! Boring and still slow paced as hell, BUT at least things are finally on the move again. |
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| Wow Fai you're good at putting loose ends together :) You and Tite should co-op this manga. I'd love to hear your take on "what happens when shinigami die" :P |
Fai said: They're not shown talking to their swords during battle or anything of the sort. It's just implied that they're in perfect harmony. For all we know, Ichigo may have been relying on Zangetsu more than it seemed and it just wasn't shown. And I never asked for people to call Ichigo an incapable asshat. I meant specifically having one of those veterans tell the guy that got close to their level in a few months that there's an ultimate technique he might wanna try learning before he faces his impossible enemy. But Rukia didn't mention swords have names until Renji popped up, nobody said there's a bankai until Ichigo needed one, the new mask and resureccion just happened out of nowhere and the final getsuga is no different. Nothing ever gets mentioned in advance, it just gets "foreshadowed". For the second complaint, I noticed Isshin says it normally takes dozens of small-fries to stop the current, so I guess they do use them. And I forgot about the train. Fine, whatever. I'm reading too deep into this anyway. Kenju said: Nah, they'll kidnap Tatsuki/Karin/Yuzu. We need a new damsel in distress.So yes, Aizen and Gin will defiantly stay there for one hour doing nothing but walking around while Ichigo trains. |
Nyuu3Jun 16, 2010 4:36 PM
| Meh. |
| "Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. And some will lose more than the tips off their fingers, I promise you. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that" |
| ichigo's mom who was actually a hollow is going to appear and help ichigo beat up old-man zangetsu and put a seal on shirosaki while still allowing ichigo to use his power. ichigo's dad will be revealed to be the previous captain-commander before yamamoto who sealed shirosaki away inside ichigo since shirosaki was actually the real king of hollows. wait, that was this week's naruto. |
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| I feel like Bleach is becoming a rip off of DBZ recently... I really liked Bleach when it started, but recently... it's become pretty awful. |
lucjanJun 16, 2010 5:12 PM
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Schoettler said: ahahah... xDI bet Aizen planned this from the start. It's not like him to destroy something just because he can. Look forward to your "just as planned". |
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Xyik said: xDichigo's mom who was actually a hollow is going to appear and help ichigo beat up old-man zangetsu and put a seal on shirosaki while still allowing ichigo to use his power. ichigo's dad will be revealed to be the previous captain-commander before yamamoto who sealed shirosaki away inside ichigo since shirosaki was actually the real king of hollows. wait, that was this week's naruto. |
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Mammoth said: I think it'll be Tatsuki, she's the only one awake. The Idiot, cant really remember his name :P, will see everything hidden from them and then he will tell Ichigo. Yuzu doesn't have reiatsu so she's out of the question. Karin is still too weak, she can only see hollows and despite all her life living with her brother and father she didn't gain anymore reiatsu, but hopefully she'll awake in time for her and Yuzu to run away from Aizen when he consumes Karakura so that they are not consumed... i know i'm a bit of a loli :PKenju said: Nah, they'll kidnap Tatsuki/Karin/Yuzu. We need a new damsel in distress.So yes, Aizen and Gin will defiantly stay there for one hour doing nothing but walking around while Ichigo trains. BTW the floor in the place that Ichigo and Isshin are reminds me of banana peels, in fact i'm sure they are banana peels xD |
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| Having low expectations works a charm. I found it interesting that he goes in all calm and Isshin says "he's going to berserk" it's like if everything's chaotic on the outside he's calm, if everything's calm on the outside he's chaotic :p But doing some thousand years training in 3 months sounds like Ichi, though it's irritating that we're getting the bankai scene again; look at ichi, look away, look at ichi, look away... ichi appears with imba technique and no one can stop him, mwha ha ha ha ha. I want to see who Aizen refers to when he says "have you seen enough" or something in the last but one page, put poor comedy attempts and weak people who are going to be used as hostages and need to be saved is another original bleach point : o... wait a second >> |
| Ok chapter I guess. Curious as tho why Zangetsu is going to go wild. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Zangetsu and the inner hollow the same? Maybe we'll get some information too on why Ichigo went Hollow v2 on Ulqiorra back then. Not expecting much but then, it's getting interesting. Comedy and bringing back of old characters failed a bit here, though. |
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sex-pistols said: lol at foreshadowing. I swear that word has been misused a lot lately by the big 3 fandom. "Oh look, Blackbeard said he wanted to shake the world - foreshadowing of him stealing WB power!!!" explain how that is not foreshadowing. |
| lmfao wtf?!?!? so we have a "super" hyperbolic time chamber...well at least next chapter we get to see Ichigo get his arse kick again, since I'm assuming he's gonna have a thousand years of training put into him. |
| Who are these characters in the middle of the chapter!? Are we suppose to know them!? |
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Xyik said: ichigo's mom who was actually a hollow is going to appear and help ichigo beat up old-man zangetsu and put a seal on shirosaki while still allowing ichigo to use his power. ichigo's dad will be revealed to be the previous captain-commander before yamamoto who sealed shirosaki away inside ichigo since shirosaki was actually the real king of hollows. wait, that was this week's naruto. LOOOOOOOOOOOL. |
Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.~ |
| Nice to see some old faces again and It does look like after Ichigo gets this power up and mets Aizen I can see him saying "Just as planned" again.....meh so now 3 months of training Time-Chamber style. |
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| So let me get this correctly, Ichigo can train for a thousand hours, and when they get outside, only an hour has passed? |
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