| Well Once again I see that the defender of violence jump to action. Blowing things out of proportion is not really helping your argument against these things. WWII films are not the same as the graphic depiction of a girl meticulous torture, both psychologically or physically/ I recall when they first started making war films they did indeed ask the survivors if it was OK to publish, Only the conscientious directors of course. Years later most of the WWII victims a all but dead and the glamorous nature of war rears it's head. Films like saving private Ryan, Valkyrie , or Comedy films like Inglorious bastards. I'm getting a bit off the point, but those films don't do much to sway the public from war, because it's sensationalised, where people play mind games of chess or act on pure emotion to sacrifice people lives for revenge. I think most people know this and understand, especially when there is plenty of documentary evidence to the contrary. The raping of women though to this day, still bear absolutely no emotion or regard. The depiction of these girl being molested, abused and sexually tortured in ways that most people don't think of. This just breeds the idea that women who are raped thier feelings especially are of no consequence, as long as the enacted is gaining his desired pleasure and satisfaction from the act. Eroge games, and lets bring more childish games like grand theft auto. Although harmless simply stroke the ego of that part of anyone who plays them to think how brilliant it would be to be able to just let loose and free and do whatever you want, not just that but it fulfils the most basic requirement, lack of consequence to the enacted party. The ''perfect crime'', where one get everything they desired, and the other gains nothing and there is absolutely no reason to not do these things because they are separated from the act, with no punishment. It's ''naughty'' getting away with stealing a cookie from the jar, only the cookie becomes a girl of questionable reality, but the ''crime'' is still commit and the ''parents'' are unable to find out what happened. Programs like CSI, COPS and other reality police shows are deterrents from would be rapists to make sure they remember that there is a consequence to their action, but that does not stop hundred of thousands of people each years try, and successfully get away with that particular hate crime. The fact that these a cartoon depiction of girls means nothing. One only has to go to a BDSM site, or a porn site. Visit a few graphics places, learn how such media is easily manipulated. Artist get their inspiration from life. The point of contention is, are these artists imitating life, or is life imitating art. A good artist would get a model, pay them to pose, explain it is for artist purposes and the use the setting as a basis. Learning how to draw the human body means directly experiencing it first hand. This is not made up. No artist wakes up one day and is able to draw a human from imagination, they are all based on the study of human action, body and the like. Anime, is a simplified human form, it is the easiest form to draw, it has no detail no depth and no reality to it. It;s cheap to produce, cheap to make and even cheaper to distribute. This means anyone can learn how to draw anime, and let the imagination free. This is a good thing but not always. Even if you don't like it, the reality is that child pornography has existed in the world in one form or another for thousand of years, it's even been legal in some part of the world and in some parts still is. The fact this goes on at all is the main point, the bone of contention. The second is that it is being distributed worldwide with little or no policing. So again the main point are: 1: It fuels the idea that there is a way to get away with it. 2. It fuels the fantasy. 3. It can be easily made in to cartoons with modern graphics packages and tools, 4. It's existence offends people who are victims of the crime regardless of exposure 5. Is not the same as unrealistic horror movies where people are killed in a overly blood way, or War movies. 6. Is stil child pornography, because it uses children as the muse, and is pornographic because of it sexual acts, I.E pornography: creative activity (writing or pictures or films etc.) of no literary or artistic value other than to stimulate sexual desire. 7. the fact that they are not real children doe not make it right or good or correct in anyway. That is it. That is enough. If there was a real argument about freedom of thought, artist expression, actual legitimate sanction on the distribution of material like this in galleries, for the general population to look upon, then there might be worth to discussing the matter further. But there is not. Because I believe I have read you post several times and it has never changed. It always covers the same points, and it never goes further as to actually defending this ''artwork'' (and I use that world lightly, because to me it is not) for it to stand up as an actual light of artist scrutiny, as an actual form of artist expression. What is worse it hides behind Anime, because anime is an accepted art form as a way of hiding it's true nature. And yes, I am saying all of those things you both mentioned in the post. The depiction of children in sexual acts is utterly appalling and shows that the person whose mind it comes from is incapable of understand the true beauty of children, and that the sick people would eat this craven bullshite are as twisted and as lost as they creator. Further more it shows a lack of sexual maturity in both the reader and creator and even worse it exposes the government control methods as substandard enough that committing these acts is indeed an actual possibility for any would be rapist, or paedophile. |
sixyearsMar 16, 2010 10:10 AM
Alpha-kudasu said: "Breeds the idea" really? I am quite certain that most reasonably reflected and intelligent people that play shooters and watch war movies understand that people dying isn't really a very enjoyable thing once you're in the same situation, and I see no reason why this should be any different with rape ero games and abuse and what have you.The raping of women though to this day, still bear absolutely no emotion or regard. The depiction of these girl being molested, abused and sexually tortured in ways that most people don't think of. This just breeds the idea that women who are raped thier feelings especially are of no consequence, as long as the enacted is gaining his desired pleasure and satisfaction from the act. Eroge games, and lets bring more childish games like grand theft auto. Although harmless simply stroke the ego of that part of anyone who plays them to think how brilliant it would be to be able to just let loose and free and do whatever you want, not just that but it fulfils the most basic requirement, lack of consequence to the enacted party. The ''perfect crime'', where one get everything they desired, and the other gains nothing and there is absolutely no reason to not do these things because they are separated from the act, with no punishment. Exposure to violence or abuse as entertainment like this desensitize people from it, but that does not mean they somehow lose the understanding that it's terrible stuff. And if they do, then they were likely troubled to begin with, and could very well have become rapists and abusers even if they never got into this entertainment. Criminals existed long before violent and abusive entertainment like this appeared. You make it all sound terribly simple here, but if what you're saying is correct, then society would be flooded with rampaging kids that kill, rape and mutilate people because they've seen it on TV and in videogames. Luckily, it's not like that. It's ''naughty'' getting away with stealing a cookie from the jar, only the cookie becomes a girl of questionable reality, but the ''crime'' is still commit and the ''parents'' are unable to find out what happened. But there is no crime if there is no girl. And lines on paper, images in ones mind or pixels on a screen does not make a girl.The fact that these a cartoon depiction of girls means nothing. One only has to go to a BDSM site, or a porn site. Visit a few graphics places, learn how such media is easily manipulated. Artist get their inspiration from life. And? They are depictions of real life, but so what? The average person experience the simulated deaths, torture and possibly rape and abuse of untold millions of fictional people in their life, whether they be actors on a screen or pictures on paper. But believe it or not, these people are still "normal" by society's standard and do not go about imitating these acts in real life.The point of contention is, are these artists imitating life, or is life imitating art. A good artist would get a model, pay them to pose, explain it is for artist purposes and the use the setting as a basis. Learning how to draw the human body means directly experiencing it first hand. This is not made up. No artist wakes up one day and is able to draw a human from imagination, they are all based on the study of human action, body and the like. Anime, is a simplified human form, it is the easiest form to draw, it has no detail no depth and no reality to it. It;s cheap to produce, cheap to make and even cheaper to distribute. This means anyone can learn how to draw anime, and let the imagination free. This is a good thing but not always. Reality and fiction are different things. Anyone with half a functional brain is able to differentiate between these two states, and is thus perfectly able to enjoy all sorts of imaginary atrocities while still understanding that they are generally frowned upon if carried out in real life. The fact that some people actually do carry out these acts is a problem as old as mankind itself, and is certainly not correlated with any recent imaginary portrayals of these horrors. Violence and conflict has decreased globally with time, while fictional violence has rocketed through the roof. So the correlation you seem to imply is simply nonexistent. So again the main point are: But it does not make people commit these acts out of the blue. You can fill the tank of a car or a plane, but you still need a pilot to consciously control it in order to move.1: It fuels the idea that there is a way to get away with it. 2. It fuels the fantasy. 4. It's existence offends people who are victims of the crime regardless of exposure Too bad. Personally, I am offended by stuff too. I really dislike the modern rap for example, but I wouldn't be such a huge dickwad as to ban people everywhere from listening to it, and I don't break into my neighbour's flat and beat him up if he plays it. Oh, yes, there is a difference in the level of emotional involvement, but it's still the same. Hysteria does not give anyone more of a right to infringe the rights of others, does it? 5. Is not the same as unrealistic horror movies where people are killed in a overly blood way, or War movies. Really? It's all terrible acts isn't it? I am quite sure a veteran of the Battle of the Bulge went through far more of a hell than any girl who was raped once ever did. But now, we have movies that go to great lengths to show the horrors of that siege, and I don't hear anyone complaining. It's all atrocities committed against people, I don't see any difference. 6. Is stil child pornography, because it uses children as the muse, and is pornographic because of it sexual acts, I.E pornography: creative activity (writing or pictures or films etc.) of no literary or artistic value other than to stimulate sexual desire. But no actual children gets hurt by it. Is this that hard to understand?7. the fact that they are not real children doe not make it right or good or correct in anyway. It also does not make it wrong or bad or incorrect in anyway.The depiction of children in sexual acts is utterly appalling and shows that the person whose mind it comes from is incapable of understand the true beauty of children, and that the sick people would eat this craven bullshite are as twisted and as lost as they creator. Sure, so you say, Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But what makes you special to deny others of what they like, hmm? Just because you don't like something is no reason to deny others from enjoying it.Morals are only opinions in the end, and limiting the freedom of others based solely on the opinion of someone else is a common trait of tyranny. When there is no victim, there is no crime. It's as simple as that. Distasteful as we may think it is, that fact does not change. But from your post you sound like a moralist, so it would seem further reasoning is impossible. |
BamanMar 16, 2010 10:50 AM
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| You call us defenders of violence, but all we do is, if at all, defending one's personal freedom of expression. Your whole post consists of groundless statements, fallacies and contradictions. First of all, you seem to continuously confound fiction and fantasy with reality. You're saying watching fictional girls being molested leads to people becoming molesters. And you're saying the imagination of a "perfect crime" leads to people becoming criminals (because they believe they will get away with it). Yet, at the same time you put another statemen there, which says: Alpha-kudasu said: See the contradiction here? You draw a sharp line between fiction and reality here by giving people the ability to distinguish between them.I think most people know this and understand, especially when there is plenty of documentary evidence to the contrary. And don't just say I took that out of context, because it's exactly what you are talking about. Here's the next contradiction: Alpha-kudasu said: So it has existed for thousands of years. Which means that 'loli' certainly can not be the cause of it.Even if you don't like it, the reality is that child pornography has existed in the world in one form or another for thousand of years, it's even been legal in some part of the world and in some parts still is. The fact this goes on at all is the main point, the bone of contention. Alpha-kudasu said: Firstly, this topic is about 'loli', which is drawing, which is a form of art. Secondly, I believe you are the one who is labouring the same point all the time. All you say is, that it corrupts the mind of humans and therefore leads to crimes such as rape. Which is, by the way, a rather groundless statement.Because I believe I have read you post several times and it has never changed. It always covers the same points, and it never goes further as to actually defending this ''artwork'' (and I use that world lightly, because to me it is not) for it to stand up as an actual light of artist scrutiny, as an actual form of artist expression. Alpha-kudasu said: Now, this doesn't make sense at all. Where do you come up with the idea that "good" artists get their inspiration from models and life? Ever heard of the word 'fiction'? Or 'fantasy'?The fact that these a cartoon depiction of girls means nothing. One only has to go to a BDSM site, or a porn site. Visit a few graphics places, learn how such media is easily manipulated. Artist get their inspiration from life. The point of contention is, are these artists imitating life, or is life imitating art. A good artist would get a model, pay them to pose, explain it is for artist purposes and the use the setting as a basis. Learning how to draw the human body means directly experiencing it first hand. This is not made up. No artist wakes up one day and is able to draw a human from imagination, they are all based on the study of human action, body and the like. Anime, is a simplified human form, it is the easiest form to draw, it has no detail no depth and no reality to it. It;s cheap to produce, cheap to make and even cheaper to distribute. This means anyone can learn how to draw anime, and let the imagination free. This is a good thing but not always. "This is not made up" - Are you implying that those artists rape little children in order to get their inspiration? I certainly hope not so. Art is the result of creativity.. And "anyone can learn how to draw anime" isn't true either, as much as I'd want it to be :/ edit: FUCK, why am I so damn slow... |
Legend said: Haha. How can I be a moralist when I argue against all morals? I am not arguing for any specific cause; I get by just fine no matter what is banned from being sold in Tokyo, I am only arguing against the moral tyranny that belies the conflict.Everyone who doesn't agree with you Baman is a moralist, but you know you're the bigest moralfag on MAL stop trollin dawg. If I were a moralfag I'd have to be pushing morals on people, but when I am arguing for the disregard of them all, that's hardly a fitting description. The lack of morals is not a moral after all. That would be too paradoxical and silly. |
Baman said: Just like the lack of belief is not a belief, which people sadly seem to think rather often.The lack of morals is not a moral after all. That would be too paradoxical and silly. |
Baman said: Legend said: Haha. How can I be a moralist when I argue against all morals? I am not arguing for any specific cause; I get by just fine no matter what is banned from being sold in Tokyo, I am only arguing against the moral tyranny that belies the conflict.Everyone who doesn't agree with you Baman is a moralist, but you know you're the bigest moralfag on MAL stop trollin dawg. If I were a moralfag I'd have to be pushing morals on people, but when I am arguing for the disregard of them all, that's hardly a fitting description. The lack of morals is not a moral after all. That would be too paradoxical and silly. YOU ARE THE MORAL PARDOXICAL TYRANY!!! just because you get stabbed and ont like it doesnt make you a moralfag, it just means you dont like it,. not wanting other people to be stabbed isnt being a moralfag it just means you thinking of somone other than youself. cartoon are cortoons sure but child pornogrphy is still what it is. not wanitng that top shel is perfectly acceptable thing to want. why pffend somone just because you can fuck in that respect we may as well just go around stabbing whoever we want all the time, because if your not going to actualy give a fuck about some else then ehat the fuck psoint is there. i know you like loli shit, but come on. do you think theat the parents of maddy maclain or anyone an really just sit by and let shit like this infect thier minds slowly thats not being a moral fag thats just being considerate which pedos are not so why the fuck are we having this conversations they are not going to stop hentai doujin or real rape of little girls like ever because they love it. and the people who want to stop it are too weak to do anything about it so.. . fuck this topic in the ass and film it make djouin cartton of it and lets profit yay |
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Legend said: But stabbing actually hurts people, and it makes them pissed. Even a moral nihilist like me would think twice before stabbing someone due to all the bad rep and nasty social reactions it entails.just because you get stabbed and ont like it doesnt make you a moralfag, it just means you dont like it,. not wanting other people to be stabbed isnt being a moralfag it just means you thinking of somone other than youself. cartoon are cortoons sure but child pornogrphy is still what it is. not wanitng that top shel is perfectly acceptable thing to want. As far as I understand, they don't sell loli hentai in every store, not even in Japan. So we'd be talking strictly specialist shops that deal in all sorts of hentai and shit, which is rather different from walking into a newsagent to grab a paper and seeing loli porn everywhere.why pffend somone just because you can i know you like loli shit, but come on. do you think theat the parents of maddy maclain or anyone an really just sit by and let shit like this infect thier minds slowly I'm actually quite neutral to the whole loli plague. Just as long as they keep it out of proper anime, and I won't whine about it except for the occasional bitching about moeblob cancer.If people don't want to read it, then they simply shouldn't. Banning it because they don't like it is being a moralfag, and certainly nowhere near being considerate. It's not like everyone for some inexplicable reason wander into hentai stores if they have no interest in it, and if they do, then they are rather quite retarded, and are entirely at fault for being offended by the stuff. |
| Well I dont agree with the being offended part. Indont think it's retarded either. Fuck I get offended if the dub my anime wrong. If i was a girl and i felt offeneded because of somthing that happend to me and then became a worldwide industry well fuck thats fine. and people can take on the offense as wel on behlaf of that person. idk i think your being overly heavy handed with the dismisal of peoples feelings regardless of if you agree or not. |
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Legend said: Well I dont agree with the being offended part. Indont think it's retarded either. Fuck I get offended if the dub my anime wrong. If i was a girl and i felt offeneded because of somthing that happend to me and then became a worldwide industry well fuck thats fine. and people can take on the offense as wel on behlaf of that person. idk i think your being overly heavy handed with the dismisal of peoples feelings regardless of if you agree or not. Fuck people's feelings. If they get offended then tough shit. People should quit being moralfags and get over it. |
ezikialrage said: Shur said: @Ezikialrage A pedophile is an adult sexually attracted to children. Lolicons however, are not (always) attracted to real children (1), can you really call a person like that a pedophile? Again lolis are depictions of children. If adult gets off on that kind of stuff then yes they are still pedos. As far as you know every person who gets sexually gets aroused on depictions of little kids most likely get off on the real thing too as well and are lying their ass off when they say that they do not. Where did you get the information that they are lying? Really, I am not sexually attracted to every girl I meet, but they all have boobs and probably a vagina, they might even have a the same hair colour. They look a lot more alike than loli's and children. Take these for example: The majority is probably not attracted to the first while being attracted to the second. And if you could, why would it matter if a person who does not want anything with real children to be a pedophile? If you are a straight man would you get off on watching gay porn,gay hentai, or look at drawings and photos of nude in sexually suggestive poses? No straight man. So those pedos are lying when they say they only get off on only watching depictions of children engaging in sex or in sexually suggestive poses. They have no reason to hide their sexual preference on a forum. Escpecially not considering there are a lot of people here openly admitting to it. So following your redenation they are indeed not pedophiles. And that a drawing does not have feelings is relevant. Photographs do not have feelings either so whether or not there are feelings int he photograph or drawing it is irrelevant. Yes it is. A picture had to be taken first. And that is the part that matters. If a child could randomly appear on a photograph, it would be irrelevant. The main reason that real child pornography is banned is to protect real children of getting harmed. So you would be cool with someone decided to cute and paste little childrens faces onto some midgets in a porn or nude flat chested models. If she wouldn't be recognised by people, it would be fine. You don't force children to have sex or pose when making loli porn nor do you harm any children. It's a victimless crime IF children are bribed then it could argued that they were not forced and therefore victimless. So I think you should add it is also to make sure that children are not taken advantage of. Yes, but, if we add that, it still is a victimless crime. |
ShurMar 16, 2010 11:38 AM
Drunk_Samurai said: Legend said: Well I dont agree with the being offended part. Indont think it's retarded either. Fuck I get offended if the dub my anime wrong. If i was a girl and i felt offeneded because of somthing that happend to me and then became a worldwide industry well fuck thats fine. and people can take on the offense as wel on behlaf of that person. idk i think your being overly heavy handed with the dismisal of peoples feelings regardless of if you agree or not. Fuck people's feelings. If they get offended then tough shit. People should quit being moralfags and get over it. troll on good sir troll on. |
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Legend said: Drunk_Samurai said: Legend said: Well I dont agree with the being offended part. Indont think it's retarded either. Fuck I get offended if the dub my anime wrong. If i was a girl and i felt offeneded because of somthing that happend to me and then became a worldwide industry well fuck thats fine. and people can take on the offense as wel on behlaf of that person. idk i think your being overly heavy handed with the dismisal of peoples feelings regardless of if you agree or not. Fuck people's feelings. If they get offended then tough shit. People should quit being moralfags and get over it. troll on good sir troll on. Hilariously ironic coming from you. |
Drunk_Samurai said: Legend said: Drunk_Samurai said: Legend said: Well I dont agree with the being offended part. Indont think it's retarded either. Fuck I get offended if the dub my anime wrong. If i was a girl and i felt offeneded because of somthing that happend to me and then became a worldwide industry well fuck thats fine. and people can take on the offense as wel on behlaf of that person. idk i think your being overly heavy handed with the dismisal of peoples feelings regardless of if you agree or not. Fuck people's feelings. If they get offended then tough shit. People should quit being moralfags and get over it. troll on good sir troll on. Hilariously ironic coming from you. i thought so. But seriously morality has nothing to do with it if it affects you personal on any level. The really mad thing is you keep refering to them as moralfags. i really hate that expression the most. as far as i can see it got nothing to do with morality at all. it has mostly to do with from what i gather the fact that its child pornograhy no matter how you dress it up. and child pornogrphy is not a case of any moral ground. and calling victims of CP who speak out against moralfags is just dumbass ITS DUMBASS I TELL YOU!!!!!!! |
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Legend said: Drunk_Samurai said: Legend said: Drunk_Samurai said: Legend said: Well I dont agree with the being offended part. Indont think it's retarded either. Fuck I get offended if the dub my anime wrong. If i was a girl and i felt offeneded because of somthing that happend to me and then became a worldwide industry well fuck thats fine. and people can take on the offense as wel on behlaf of that person. idk i think your being overly heavy handed with the dismisal of peoples feelings regardless of if you agree or not. Fuck people's feelings. If they get offended then tough shit. People should quit being moralfags and get over it. troll on good sir troll on. Hilariously ironic coming from you. i thought so. But seriously morality has nothing to do with it if it affects you personal on any level. The really mad thing is you keep refering to them as moralfags. i really hate that expression the most. as far as i can see it got nothing to do with morality at all. it has mostly to do with from what i gather the fact that its child pornograhy no matter how you dress it up. and child pornogrphy is not a case of any moral ground. and calling victims of CP who speak out against moralfags is just dumbass ITS DUMBASS I TELL YOU!!!!!!! Lolicon has no victims since drawings are not real. |
Drunk_Samurai said: Legend said: Drunk_Samurai said: Legend said: Drunk_Samurai said: Legend said: Well I dont agree with the being offended part. Indont think it's retarded either. Fuck I get offended if the dub my anime wrong. If i was a girl and i felt offeneded because of somthing that happend to me and then became a worldwide industry well fuck thats fine. and people can take on the offense as wel on behlaf of that person. idk i think your being overly heavy handed with the dismisal of peoples feelings regardless of if you agree or not. Fuck people's feelings. If they get offended then tough shit. People should quit being moralfags and get over it. troll on good sir troll on. Hilariously ironic coming from you. i thought so. But seriously morality has nothing to do with it if it affects you personal on any level. The really mad thing is you keep refering to them as moralfags. i really hate that expression the most. as far as i can see it got nothing to do with morality at all. it has mostly to do with from what i gather the fact that its child pornograhy no matter how you dress it up. and child pornogrphy is not a case of any moral ground. and calling victims of CP who speak out against moralfags is just dumbass ITS DUMBASS I TELL YOU!!!!!!! Lolicon has no victims since drawings are not real. victims are the people it mentally torturs know that there are people wanking off to images ogh children simular to them having things that have been done to them covered up by ''art'' fuck sake when will you ever get this? oh dat rite u trollin keep trollin sir bro |
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Legend said: Drunk_Samurai said: Legend said: Drunk_Samurai said: Legend said: Drunk_Samurai said: Legend said: Well I dont agree with the being offended part. Indont think it's retarded either. Fuck I get offended if the dub my anime wrong. If i was a girl and i felt offeneded because of somthing that happend to me and then became a worldwide industry well fuck thats fine. and people can take on the offense as wel on behlaf of that person. idk i think your being overly heavy handed with the dismisal of peoples feelings regardless of if you agree or not. Fuck people's feelings. If they get offended then tough shit. People should quit being moralfags and get over it. troll on good sir troll on. Hilariously ironic coming from you. i thought so. But seriously morality has nothing to do with it if it affects you personal on any level. The really mad thing is you keep refering to them as moralfags. i really hate that expression the most. as far as i can see it got nothing to do with morality at all. it has mostly to do with from what i gather the fact that its child pornograhy no matter how you dress it up. and child pornogrphy is not a case of any moral ground. and calling victims of CP who speak out against moralfags is just dumbass ITS DUMBASS I TELL YOU!!!!!!! Lolicon has no victims since drawings are not real. victims are the people it mentally torturs know that there are people wanking off to images ogh children simular to them having things that have been done to them covered up by ''art'' fuck sake when will you ever get this? oh dat rite u trollin keep trollin sir bro What child? Drawings cannot be children since they are not real. ProtaTheSmartOne said: Making comments like: "Ironic coming from you!" or "Are you telling me?" and so forth is not something an intellectual would say. The person who says it doesn't matter, it is still as (un)true as if anyone else said it. Of course, there are exceptions. Well we all know that Legend is a troll. Just check every single thread he posts in. |
| Well we're talking about Japan here. This is a country that idolizes and objectifies child stars. They make them sit in provocative poses and wear swim suits. Look at this shit  Is there any wonder who the target audience of these child stars is? It's pedophiles! Japan is a country ravaged by pedophiles! By banning loli they are taking a step in the right direction, although the child models should probably be the first step. One can make an argument saying that they are doing the same thing in the US with child beauty pagents but those don't have nearly the same amount of publicity or viewers as the child idols. It's more like a mother trying to live their life through there child then a child being turned into an object of lust. Maybe the next generation of the Japanese people won't be so perverse and morally corrupt and the amount of child prostitution and rape will drop. |
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zebra_boy said: Those pictures scare me.... Don't have any lolis D:? Well we're talking about Japan here. This is a country that idolizes and objectifies child stars. They make them sit in provocative poses and wear swim suits. Look at this shit Is there any wonder who the target audience of these child stars is? It's pedophiles! Japan is a country ravaged by pedophiles! By banning loli they are taking a step in the right direction, although the child models should probably be the first step. One can make an argument saying that they are doing the same thing in the US with child beauty pagents but those don't have nearly the same amount of publicity or viewers as the child idols. It's more like a mother trying to live their life through there child then a child being turned into an object of lust. Maybe the next generation of the Japanese people won't be so perverse and morally corrupt and the amount of child prostitution and rape will drop. Also i doubt they "make" them do it. They pay them imo. |
GogettersMar 16, 2010 2:34 PM
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Drunk_Samurai said: Legend said: Drunk_Samurai said: Legend said: Drunk_Samurai said: Legend said: Drunk_Samurai said: Legend said: Well I dont agree with the being offended part. Indont think it's retarded either. Fuck I get offended if the dub my anime wrong. If i was a girl and i felt offeneded because of somthing that happend to me and then became a worldwide industry well fuck thats fine. and people can take on the offense as wel on behlaf of that person. idk i think your being overly heavy handed with the dismisal of peoples feelings regardless of if you agree or not. Fuck people's feelings. If they get offended then tough shit. People should quit being moralfags and get over it. troll on good sir troll on. Hilariously ironic coming from you. i thought so. But seriously morality has nothing to do with it if it affects you personal on any level. The really mad thing is you keep refering to them as moralfags. i really hate that expression the most. as far as i can see it got nothing to do with morality at all. it has mostly to do with from what i gather the fact that its child pornograhy no matter how you dress it up. and child pornogrphy is not a case of any moral ground. and calling victims of CP who speak out against moralfags is just dumbass ITS DUMBASS I TELL YOU!!!!!!! Lolicon has no victims since drawings are not real. victims are the people it mentally torturs know that there are people wanking off to images ogh children simular to them having things that have been done to them covered up by ''art'' fuck sake when will you ever get this? oh dat rite u trollin keep trollin sir bro What child? Drawings cannot be children since they are not real. ProtaTheSmartOne said: Making comments like: "Ironic coming from you!" or "Are you telling me?" and so forth is not something an intellectual would say. The person who says it doesn't matter, it is still as (un)true as if anyone else said it. Of course, there are exceptions. Well we all know that Legend is a troll. Just check every single thread he posts in. you seem to be not able to comprehend the whole remembering aspect of things. if somthng has happend to a child in RL then find out that people actualy make comics of this shit and wank over it its GOING to have a negaative effect and it going to hurt them by bring bakc bad memoriy and emotions causing more damge to the person. REGALDESS of if they see the actualy comic itslef. |
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Legend said: And you know this how?you seem to be not able to comprehend the whole remembering aspect of things. if somthng has happend to a child in RL then find out that people actualy make comics of this shit and wank over it its GOING to have a negaative effect and it going to hurt them by bring bakc bad memoriy and emotions causing more damge to the person. REGALDESS of if they see the actualy comic itslef. And even if this is the case, that is that persons problem. We don't stop showing war movies in case it might bring back bad memories for soldiers do we? Pretty much anything can awaken bad memories in people, and we can't erase romantic movies from existence just because the knowledge that they exist might make some heartbroken teenager depressed. We can't think of everybody. Why should we even bother? If someone has a problem with memories and traumas from a bad past then those problems will follow that person forever until he learns to cope with them somehow, being weak and blaming everything else won't really help. zebra_boy said: Maybe the next generation of the Japanese people won't be so perverse and morally corrupt and the amount of child prostitution and rape will drop.  But I do agree with your serious remark, the real child idol business is far more alarming than the fictional one. |
Baman said: AgreedBut I do agree with your serious remark, the real child idol business is far more alarming than the fictional one. |
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Baman said: Legend said: And you know this how?you seem to be not able to comprehend the whole remembering aspect of things. if somthng has happend to a child in RL then find out that people actualy make comics of this shit and wank over it its GOING to have a negaative effect and it going to hurt them by bring bakc bad memoriy and emotions causing more damge to the person. REGALDESS of if they see the actualy comic itslef. And even if this is the case, that is that persons problem. We don't stop showing war movies in case it might bring back bad memories for soldiers do we? Pretty much anything can awaken bad memories in people, and we can't erase romantic movies from existence just because the knowledge that they exist might make some heartbroken teenager depressed. We can't think of everybody. Why should we even bother? If someone has a problem with memories and traumas from a bad past then those problems will follow that person forever until he learns to cope with them somehow, being weak and blaming everything else won't really help. how i know is nither here nor there and it has nothing to do with being weak either. its just how it is and thats not going to change. this is not a artisti debate about the concept for these artistic images. Images have lasting effect on people. being emotionally numb is just being emotionall dumb AND THAT RHYMES AND YOU KNOW IT RHYMES!!!!! you break you neck or you wake up with pins and needles, you odnt think OH GREAT THIS IS AMAZING I HOEP THE REST OF MY LIFE CAN BE SPENT FEELING SHIT ALL BECAUSE SOMEONE WAS TARDED ENOUGH TO MAKE SUCH AN EVENT HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE> they took the thing off paper and made it real blame the fucking victims is stupid blame the pedos. yeah they spoiled it for everyone and now everyone is mad but tough shit basically. its still child pornogrhpy even IF nobodys getthing ''hurt'' pysically. child= person of a certain age pornorgaphy= pcitures or films with NO ARTIST VALUE EXCPET TO STIMLUATE SEXUAL DESIRE! fuck sake what is so fucking hard to get about this simple entemology? anyway i give a fck about some poor pedo doujin maker and his lolicon fans. OH NOES THE WORLD BE DEPRIOVED OF SUBSTAND PRON AND SHITTY ART THATS NOT EVEN ART HOW THE FUCK WILL I MAKE IT THOUGH ANOTHER DAY!!! oh yeah....with ease. |
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| Morning news Municipal law decision>amendment in the continued debate It became postponement...... As for the interim, the NARUTO is not specified for the pornography. lol |
zebra_boy said: Maybe the next generation of the Japanese people won't be so perverse and morally corrupt and the amount of child prostitution and rape will drop. Lol. You obviously don't know shit about Japan. Japan has one of the lowest rape rates in the world. Legend said: Baman said: Legend said: And you know this how?you seem to be not able to comprehend the whole remembering aspect of things. if somthng has happend to a child in RL then find out that people actualy make comics of this shit and wank over it its GOING to have a negaative effect and it going to hurt them by bring bakc bad memoriy and emotions causing more damge to the person. REGALDESS of if they see the actualy comic itslef. And even if this is the case, that is that persons problem. We don't stop showing war movies in case it might bring back bad memories for soldiers do we? Pretty much anything can awaken bad memories in people, and we can't erase romantic movies from existence just because the knowledge that they exist might make some heartbroken teenager depressed. We can't think of everybody. Why should we even bother? If someone has a problem with memories and traumas from a bad past then those problems will follow that person forever until he learns to cope with them somehow, being weak and blaming everything else won't really help. how i know is nither here nor there and it has nothing to do with being weak either. its just how it is and thats not going to change. this is not a artisti debate about the concept for these artistic images. Images have lasting effect on people. being emotionally numb is just being emotionall dumb AND THAT RHYMES AND YOU KNOW IT RHYMES!!!!! you break you neck or you wake up with pins and needles, you odnt think OH GREAT THIS IS AMAZING I HOEP THE REST OF MY LIFE CAN BE SPENT FEELING SHIT ALL BECAUSE SOMEONE WAS TARDED ENOUGH TO MAKE SUCH AN EVENT HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE> they took the thing off paper and made it real blame the fucking victims is stupid blame the pedos. yeah they spoiled it for everyone and now everyone is mad but tough shit basically. its still child pornogrhpy even IF nobodys getthing ''hurt'' pysically. child= person of a certain age pornorgaphy= pcitures or films with NO ARTIST VALUE EXCPET TO STIMLUATE SEXUAL DESIRE! fuck sake what is so fucking hard to get about this simple entemology? anyway i give a fck about some poor pedo doujin maker and his lolicon fans. OH NOES THE WORLD BE DEPRIOVED OF SUBSTAND PRON AND SHITTY ART THATS NOT EVEN ART HOW THE FUCK WILL I MAKE IT THOUGH ANOTHER DAY!!! oh yeah....with ease. It's really hard to understand complete bullshit you know. Since children are children and drawings are drawings. |
Drunk_Samurai said: zebra_boy said: Maybe the next generation of the Japanese people won't be so perverse and morally corrupt and the amount of child prostitution and rape will drop. Lol. You obviously don't know shit about Japan. Japan has one of the lowest rape rates in the world. Legend said: Baman said: Legend said: And you know this how?you seem to be not able to comprehend the whole remembering aspect of things. if somthng has happend to a child in RL then find out that people actualy make comics of this shit and wank over it its GOING to have a negaative effect and it going to hurt them by bring bakc bad memoriy and emotions causing more damge to the person. REGALDESS of if they see the actualy comic itslef. And even if this is the case, that is that persons problem. We don't stop showing war movies in case it might bring back bad memories for soldiers do we? Pretty much anything can awaken bad memories in people, and we can't erase romantic movies from existence just because the knowledge that they exist might make some heartbroken teenager depressed. We can't think of everybody. Why should we even bother? If someone has a problem with memories and traumas from a bad past then those problems will follow that person forever until he learns to cope with them somehow, being weak and blaming everything else won't really help. how i know is nither here nor there and it has nothing to do with being weak either. its just how it is and thats not going to change. this is not a artisti debate about the concept for these artistic images. Images have lasting effect on people. being emotionally numb is just being emotionall dumb AND THAT RHYMES AND YOU KNOW IT RHYMES!!!!! you break you neck or you wake up with pins and needles, you odnt think OH GREAT THIS IS AMAZING I HOEP THE REST OF MY LIFE CAN BE SPENT FEELING SHIT ALL BECAUSE SOMEONE WAS TARDED ENOUGH TO MAKE SUCH AN EVENT HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE> they took the thing off paper and made it real blame the fucking victims is stupid blame the pedos. yeah they spoiled it for everyone and now everyone is mad but tough shit basically. its still child pornogrhpy even IF nobodys getthing ''hurt'' pysically. child= person of a certain age pornorgaphy= pcitures or films with NO ARTIST VALUE EXCPET TO STIMLUATE SEXUAL DESIRE! fuck sake what is so fucking hard to get about this simple entemology? anyway i give a fck about some poor pedo doujin maker and his lolicon fans. OH NOES THE WORLD BE DEPRIOVED OF SUBSTAND PRON AND SHITTY ART THATS NOT EVEN ART HOW THE FUCK WILL I MAKE IT THOUGH ANOTHER DAY!!! oh yeah....with ease. It's really hard to understand complete bullshit you know. Since children are children and drawings are drawings. REAL CHILDEN HAVE EMOTION RIGHT!! GOOD IM GLAD YOU ARGREE!! PICTURES AND TALES OF EVENTS THAT HAPPENED TO THEM DRAWN IN CARTOON FORM MAKE CHILD FEEL BAD! DO YOU GET THIS YET?!?!? OR STILL NOT ABLE!? ok. im sure you a cold hard stone of logic and reason ok. but think of perhaps at least one thing a long time ago befor you because a heartless bastard when somthing made you feel bad. now you probably dont remeber feeling anything because you a cold pice of logic and reaosn which is great for you but think about perhaps people who might ffeel like having storys told in CARTOON FORM that are based on REAL EVENTS might hurt EMOTIONALLY people who ACTUALY HAVE FEELINGS! ok now gar homie troll bro sir please gtfo and take your penis with you. good day! |
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Drunk_Samurai said: Lol. You obviously don't know shit about Japan. Japan has one of the lowest rape rates in the world. Lol no Vatican City does. Japan is number 54 (of which 30 countries are in Africa) per capita and 19th in terms of percentage of raped. Not including unreported rape of course. Why do you think rape is like saying hello in Japan? Stereotypes come from somewhere, they aren't works of fiction doncha know? |
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Legend said: And what if I get hurt emotionally by bad plot twists? Should Code Geass be banned because of this? im sure you a cold hard stone of logic and reason ok. but think of perhaps at least one thing a long time ago befor you because a heartless bastard when somthing made you feel bad. now you probably dont remeber feeling anything because you a cold pice of logic and reaosn which is great for you but think about perhaps people who might ffeel like having storys told in CARTOON FORM that are based on REAL EVENTS might hurt EMOTIONALLY people who ACTUALY HAVE FEELINGS! The idea that someone somewhere might get upset about something is not anywhere near a good enough reason for banning something. If it was, we wouldn't be having anything fun, ever. And it's a matter of principle. If people think this is okay, simply because they find Lolicon disgusting, then what will they do when something that they do like eventually gets banned because of someone somewhere whining about it? Say goodbye to all violent movies and games, and any books and music with slightly objectionable content. And from there on, it's straight to Big Brother and thought police. |
Baman said: Legend said: And what if I get hurt emotionally by bad plot twists? Should Code Geass be banned because of this? im sure you a cold hard stone of logic and reason ok. but think of perhaps at least one thing a long time ago befor you because a heartless bastard when somthing made you feel bad. now you probably dont remeber feeling anything because you a cold pice of logic and reaosn which is great for you but think about perhaps people who might ffeel like having storys told in CARTOON FORM that are based on REAL EVENTS might hurt EMOTIONALLY people who ACTUALY HAVE FEELINGS! The idea that someone somewhere might get upset about something is not anywhere near a good enough reason for banning something. If it was, we wouldn't be having anything fun, ever. And it's a matter of principle. If people think this is okay, simply because they find Lolicon disgusting, then what will they do when something that they do like eventually gets banned because of someone somewhere whining about it? Say goodbye to all violent movies and games, and any books and music with slightly objectionable content. And from there on, it's straight to Big Brother and thought police. stop over exagerating stupid things like a plot twist in an anime you think is shit. Its not the same as seeing an image or set of images that almost are identical in everway to what happend to a rape victim ITS FUCKING WRONG! fuck man, this site is anonyous, most people hat thier pics being up. further more if thier pics were posted or nudes or somthing it would make that person feel very akward especially if they hadnt consented and that when all is well with the world. we are talking AT LEAST I AM about certain doujin that are EXACLTY ripped from ACTUALY CP using grpahic packages or tracing techniques to hid the fact that these are real girls. not just that but on top of eveything you compare it to being upset or put out like a bad polot element in a shitty anime that you dont like come on for fuck sake you have family mother father maybey you hate them i dont know you well enough ive never met you. i know me though and i know that i would feel upset if things like this happend. like the nude pic of barack obamas mum being posted. what the fuck good does that do? nothing its just stupid its embarsing sure but at least she was smiling happy and she consent to the pics being taken. PEOPLE GET RAPED then you make a cartton about it and wank over it but ITS OK because ITS JUST A CARTOON its not ok. its never going to be ok making fun of people or trolling them is just fine but fuck it when there actualy more deth to it than just being a bit put out by a stupid plot twist about an anime that you dont even like its just doesnt come close to what emotions are stired. the damage to these people are already done the damge is done and you try to move on with your life then you find out some pervey fucker is wanking over the pics in CARTOON FORM because hurr durr its just a cartoon. compareing it to code gease or some bullshit it just dumb. lulu is based on a real person he a fiction character and plays some shitty chess game that over elaborated to the point where its boring and the graphics are shit too. its not like its telling a story about a real person. and the argument that because thier cartoons and fantssy so IT CANT BE REAL just means that there no real conceppt of what the fuck happens to these children THAT ONE PIC OF A CHILD BEING SHAT ON IN CHAN HAS BEEN SPAMMED SO MANY TIMES AND FOR FUCK SAKE YOU SEE A DOUJIN ABOUT IT BUT ITS OK BECAUSE ITS JUST A CARTOON RIGHT!!! RIGHT! |
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zebra_boy said: Drunk_Samurai said: Lol. You obviously don't know shit about Japan. Japan has one of the lowest rape rates in the world. Lol no Vatican City does. Japan is number 54 (of which 30 countries are in Africa) per capita and 19th in terms of percentage of raped. Not including unreported rape of course. Why do you think rape is like saying hello in Japan? Stereotypes come from somewhere, they aren't works of fiction doncha know? Learn to read. I said ONE of the lowest. Also Vatican City doesn't count. Legend said: im sure you a cold hard stone of logic and reason ok. but think of perhaps at least one thing a long time ago befor you because a heartless bastard when somthing made you feel bad. now you probably dont remeber feeling anything because you a cold pice of logic and reaosn which is great for you but think about perhaps people who might ffeel like having storys told in CARTOON FORM that are based on REAL EVENTS might hurt EMOTIONALLY people who ACTUALY HAVE FEELINGS! Lol quit trolling. No lolicon porn is based off a real event. |
| What? There is around 200 countries and Japan is number 54. That's not one of the lowest bro. And it wasn't for Africa, Japan would be top 25 in terms of rape. And 19th in terms of percentage is very high. I also wouldn't consider that one of the lowest, as you say. One of the highest seems more appropriate. |
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| Alright. Legend is an established troll so anything he posts in this thread should not be responded to again. zebra_boy said: What? There is around 200 countries and Japan is number 54. That's not one of the lowest bro. And it wasn't for Africa, Japan would be top 25 in terms of rape. And 19th in terms of percentage is very high. I also wouldn't consider that one of the lowest, as you say. One of the highest seems more appropriate. Post evidence. |
Legend said: No it is not. It is just your opinion. And I disagree.ITS FUCKING WRONG! My example of Code Geass's plot was just to illustrate how ridiculous your claim sounds, as I have no doubt you understood, so no point making a strawman out of it. You should learn to better differentiate between reality and fiction I think. If you could, you would see how fictional depictions of a act is no where near the same as the actual act, and does not make any victims. And someone being offended is not the same as a victim. People don't have any protection against being offended, if they can't ignore the things they don't like, then too bad for them, no need to be a moralfag dickwad and ruin someone elses fun because of it. But most likely, you are merely trolling, and I guess I should have realized sooner. So I guess there's no point for me to waste time trying to explain this to you anymore. |
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zebra_boy said: google it yourself This just means you're making up shit. |
| And you? Why don't you produce a source that says Japan has one of the lowest rape rates? anyway: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_vic-crime-rape-victims |
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zebra_boy said: = 19 Japan: 0.1% And you? Why don't you produce a source that says Japan has one of the lowest rape rates? anyway: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_vic-crime-rape-victims Thats damn low if i am reading it right. |
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| Not when the top rate is a little above 1% 0.1% That's the 19th highest reported rape rate in the entire world. |
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0.1% or not it is damn low when compared to the others. From this if i was afraid of being rapped Japan is the place i would want to be at. |
GogettersMar 16, 2010 6:16 PM
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| From the comments of this article: Had this bill been passed it would outlaw any ecchi, anything from nudity to pantyshots of anyone who sounds or looks under 18 (bye bye any high-school anime). Sounds good to me. |
Plate said: From the comments of this article: Had this bill been passed it would outlaw any ecchi, anything from nudity to pantyshots of anyone who sounds or looks under 18 (bye bye any high-school anime). Sounds good to me. "Had this bill been passed it would outlaw any ecchi, anything from nudity to pantyshots of anyone who sounds or looks under 18 (bye bye any high-school anime). That would kill Anime as we know it." Ok yeah damn good it didn't go. At least not till June. |
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Plate said: From the comments of this article: Had this bill been passed it would outlaw any ecchi, anything from nudity to pantyshots of anyone who sounds or looks under 18 (bye bye any high-school anime). Sounds good to me. The violence expression is prohibited at the same time. your Favorite Manga "Monster , After the Long Goodbye , 20th Century Boys , Sanctuary , Hellsing" Annihilation |
siokanMar 17, 2010 2:14 AM
siokan said: Plate said: From the comments of this article: Had this bill been passed it would outlaw any ecchi, anything from nudity to pantyshots of anyone who sounds or looks under 18 (bye bye any high-school anime). Sounds good to me. The violence expression is prohibited at the same time. your Favorite Manga "Monster , After the Long Goodbye , 20th Century Boys , Sanctuary , Hellsing" Annihilation So did Shueisha tell all the Shounen Jump mangaka not to sign the petition or something? It makes no sense why none of them did. |
siokan said: The violence expression is prohibited at the same time. your Favorite Manga "Monster , After the Long Goodbye , 20th Century Boys , Sanctuary , Hellsing" Annihilation Last time I checked that wasn't in the bill. And After the Long Goodbye is a novel. Cute that you checked my profile though. |
Plate said: siokan said: The violence expression is prohibited at the same time. your Favorite Manga "Monster , After the Long Goodbye , 20th Century Boys , Sanctuary , Hellsing" Annihilation Last time I checked that wasn't in the bill. And After the Long Goodbye is a novel. Cute that you checked my profile though. The novel is control subjects. The oldest novel in the world http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tale_of_Genji I hear that such a thing is also harmful. |
| Okay, few things... 0.1% compared to the average of 0.6% is low now matter how you look at it. And the point was to upturn the claim that "japan is ravaged by .... blah blah" It that was true then I'm staying the hell away from new zealand which is obviously . (cant even remember because it was all BASELESS rhetoric). So point 1: The argument that "porn (be it loli or whatnot) leads to moral degredation" holds no merit Second thing, Legend has gone from "loli is child porn" to "ban ALL rape(obv, adults have feelings too right?) porn because its offensive to someone out there therefore we are victimizing them." And yet has not answered the argument, "War movies could offend certain factions/people so lets ban them too, yes?" Someone has been a victim of street racing(i.e. my friend was killed by joyriding hooligans) so lets ban NFS, GTA, etc etc. Any work ("OMG my mother was eaten by bears so the people making "care bears" are victimizing me) is going to be offensive to SOMEONE. So point 2: There is no victim in simply MAKING loli manga or real adult porn. It's not like they're going around and putting loli manga ads in mailboxes. Heck even in japan its actually much easier for minors to buy cigarettes(they're sold in vending machines for chrissake) than porn. You'd have to be damn stupid if you're offended by hentai and then walk into a store that clearly says "ADULT" |
Sharunaku said: Yep, you don't accidently read those books, you gotta find it, purchase it THEN you read it. Like you don't accidently got a porn video from nowhere. More importantly, real life and drawing, they are two different matters, mixing them up is like mixing up WOW and real life. Some people do that. |
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