Are people just projecting their own insecurities onto anime girls?

With the amount of people that say, "these are literal drawings", may I remind the point that's even more applicable, "these are literal posts, log off and touch grass if you are that bothered". A lot you filter the world through, "what do x people say about something?" rather than care to consume the media you want to consume without getting involved with opinions online. It's why like 9/10ths of aniYTber content is, "LIBS AND THE WOKE TRIGGERED BY NEW X EVENT" and is the most insufferable part of YouTube and Twitter as a platform.

If I had a nickel for every time this exact scenario happened, I'd be richer than Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk combined

With the amount of people that say, "these are literal drawings", may I remind the point that's even more applicable, "these are literal posts, log off and touch grass if you are that bothered". A lot you filter the world through, "what do x people say about something?" rather than care to consume the media you want to consume without getting involved with opinions online. It's why like 9/10ths of aniYTber content is, "LIBS AND THE WOKE TRIGGERED BY NEW X EVENT" and is the most insufferable part of YouTube and Twitter as a platform.

If I had a nickel for every time this exact scenario happened, I'd be richer than Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk combined

@RyanWiseman It's not just posts, this mentality actually affects anime production.

@rxtxrd So they moe-ified her to a disgusting degree in the anime compared to the manga and you are only mad about the lack of breasts??? Weird that you bring up a character that is 15 for your point and not a MILF that is 30+ for your example. I'll defend MILF and adults having fanservice to the grave, not the character that is 9000 years old but looks like she's 12

@RyanWiseman I never stated such a thing, I'm simply bringing it up because it's related to the topic in this thread

@RyanWiseman It's not just posts, this mentality actually affects anime production.

@rxtxrd Wasn't the only reason she made the changes she did so her like 5 year old daughter could watch the show? Which is crazy since it's not supposed to be for kids.

No matter if the creator was fine with the changes, her reason was ridiculous and she doesn't deserve to stay on as a screenwriter.

It's mostly terminally online zoomers who just live on twitter and have no actual real issues to worry about, so they make up fake issues to get outraged over. They're more prudish than boomers.

@Toadfan64 They should have never ever been allowed to discover anime unfortunately

@Toadfan64 I agree, I despise censorship regardless of the reason, but especially when it's a dumb reason like this

@rxtxrd Wasn't the only reason she made the changes she did so her like 5 year old daughter could watch the show? Which is crazy since it's not supposed to be for kids.

No matter if the creator was fine with the changes, her reason was ridiculous and she doesn't deserve to stay on as a screenwriter.

I think that could be a part of it, but in real life, everybody who I've seen complain about ecchi has been a straight white man. I have never seen a woman in real life complain about ecchi.Both sides of culture warrior tourists have this problem. If one side hates an anime online, the other will worship it for no reason except that the other side hates it. This expands into other subjects, including ones related to anime, such as localizers. None of them have any real opinions.

@RyanWiseman I guess the reason I used the bad example is because the original manga panel didn't feel sexualised to begin with, so changing it makes it feel like just having a larger bust is inherently problematic, or having a certain body type automatically means you are being sexualised. I get that a lot of girls in animanga are unrealistic but I don't think this Bocchi was one of them. Women will shame other women about this not just in anime but in real life too, making us feel insecure growing up. I think the anime version of bocchi looks cute, I like the larger frills and the bow at the back of the maid outfit so I think it's an improvement, it just irks me how they made her look totally flat, as if it's such a problem.

@Toadfan64 And likewise, with that standard, the bulk majority of anime can't be adapted because they alter the original author's intentions. Changes are done so non-manga fans can watch the show, which is crazy, because the source material was not meant for anime fans. Which, no matter if the creator was fine with the changes, that reason is ridiculous and those animators don't deserve to stay on as animators. If you still can't see how this logic is bad, then we could talk about how a bunch of music execs from Sony have pre-censored your J-Music listening experience, given this is your point's logical conclusion

@Toadfan64 And likewise, with that standard, the bulk majority of anime can't be adapted because they alter the original author's intentions. Changes are done so non-manga fans can watch the show, which is crazy, because the source material was not meant for anime fans. Which, no matter if the creator was fine with the changes, that reason is ridiculous and those animators don't deserve to stay on as animators. If you still can't see how this logic is bad, then we could talk about how a bunch of music execs from Sony have pre-censored your J-Music listening experience, given this is your point's logical conclusion

@RyanWiseman And that's fine. If you can't adhere to what the author intends in the original work, it shouldn't be adapted. I'm sure there's plenty of anime I love (including Bocchi) that has made changes contrary to the authors wants or original work, but that doesn't make it right, or that it should be a practice continued.

@Toadfan64 So are you for this even if it continues to isolate the younger generations from caring about an entire anime genre (over its inability to have introspection) that is actually for them? Like the biggest criticism of fanservice comes from Gen Z, my generation; and we are now the primary demographic for the seinen/jousei genre since most of us are adults. It's the older generations that are having a problem with the newest generation preferences, circa, these same complains since 3600 BCE.

And so many old otaku have been bashing Gen Z on their takes for anime for exactly this, calling us ツイフェミ for daring to have takes different than yours. Like if we look at a recent Ceros poll, people want more competent women characters and not just seasonal characters who only are remembered by the amount of body pillows sold. The demographic of anime consumption is getting close to a 50/50 gender divide, which means people have different expectations of the characters they watch now compared to the boys club millennials, who imo, lacked good media literacy and allowed modern anime to get so fanservice heavy. You can read more about how the newest generation prefers anime if you think what I'm saying is wrong:

https://view.ceros.com/nrgmr/crunchyroll-global-state-of-anime/p/1



Like you were one who opened with this entire take by basically calling us ツイフェミ, as if we aren't the primary demographic of anime consumption now. It's probably why Bocchi changed in the first place, because this fanservice appeal is very much influenced from old anime that more resonates with Millennials and those older. Like if you want good fanservice anime for us to watch, the industry needs to stop making the characters look 12 or have them be teenagers. Not only do I think it's weird as an adult, but I don't trust people who tend to make THIS their point of advocating for free speech, because you never see these defenders ever defend free speech in any other context than goon material. They'll be loud about the free market self regulating (because that is what this behavior is, just a symptom of capitalism), but never mad about the US' current GOVERNMENT censorship of free speech. It's Chibi Reviews level of outrage, backed up by femimatsu are other ネット右翼 websites that spoonfeed you these talking points

Yes. If people can't handle what's in anime, they should go watch something that they can handle. There's plenty of other stuff to watch.I am in Gen Z, and I am strongly against censorship. It's not just the "boomers" who oppose censorship.I for one find it odd how many people who claim to be "supportive of LGBT rights" would be so defensive of localizers. For decades, they have cut LGBT characters out of anime, like in Sailor Moon. They are also quite racist, and cut Japanese culture out of anime in order to Westernize it too.Lots of people are against the Texas Anime Ban, for their censorship of anime, especially lolisho, ecchi, BL/GL, and GB anime. Culture warrior tourists like Rev Says Desu praised and defended the Texas Anime Ban because they are pro-censorship, and are therefore tourists.

@Toadfan64 So are you for this even if it continues to isolate the younger generations from caring about an entire anime genre (over its inability to have introspection) that is actually for them? Like the biggest criticism of fanservice comes from Gen Z, my generation; and we are now the primary demographic for the seinen/jousei genre since most of us are adults. It's the older generations that are having a problem with the newest generation preferences, circa, these same complains since 3600 BCE.

And so many old otaku have been bashing Gen Z on their takes for anime for exactly this, calling us ツイフェミ for daring to have takes different than yours. Like if we look at a recent Ceros poll, people want more competent women characters and not just seasonal characters who only are remembered by the amount of body pillows sold. The demographic of anime consumption is getting close to a 50/50 gender divide, which means people have different expectations of the characters they watch now compared to the boys club millennials, who imo, lacked good media literacy and allowed modern anime to get so fanservice heavy. You can read more about how the newest generation prefers anime if you think what I'm saying is wrong:

https://view.ceros.com/nrgmr/crunchyroll-global-state-of-anime/p/1



Like you were one who opened with this entire take by basically calling us ツイフェミ, as if we aren't the primary demographic of anime consumption now. It's probably why Bocchi changed in the first place, because this fanservice appeal is very much influenced from old anime that more resonates with Millennials and those older. Like if you want good fanservice anime for us to watch, the industry needs to stop making the characters look 12 or have them be teenagers. Not only do I think it's weird as an adult, but I don't trust people who tend to make THIS their point of advocating for free speech, because you never see these defenders ever defend free speech in any other context than goon material. They'll be loud about the free market self regulating (because that is what this behavior is, just a symptom of capitalism), but never mad about the US' current GOVERNMENT censorship of free speech. It's Chibi Reviews level of outrage, backed up by femimatsu are other ネット右翼 websites that spoonfeed you these talking points

@RyanWiseman If younger generations want to come in and change and sanitize how anime is, then I will absolutely prefer to isolate them. I would rather anime die out than become something that caters to folks who have no interest in the medium except stuff like hype moments and aura or cry about loli and fanservice.

If loli anime bothers you don't watch. If fanservice bothers you, don't watch anime with it. Don't watch what makes you uncomfortable, or you don't like. I don't like yaoi, but I'm not gonna advocate to get rid of it, or change what yaoi lovers like.

Also, one can agree with points Chibi might make while also thinking any kind of censorship on free speech is no good. I see the nutjobs that harass him on twitter and they're no better than the other side of the coin that they cry about.

@Toadfan64 Ofc the thing is to not watch that stuff. And when you do, there's only a handful of titles that don't do that stuff, compared to the golden age of anime, where questionable fanservice existed but was balanced amongst the rest of other good titles. There are so many titles that pander to this where the theme isn't fitting; as I would care less about it if it stuck in its own lane. Like anime has now reached the point of being like western TV/movies, where all of it is a cashgrab designed to be wish-fulfillment; hence the rise of incessant fanservice amongst like 4/5ths of each season when it doesn't even fit well with the genre. It's like one of my biggest gripes with Marvel's attempt at humor. Humor in Deadpool and original Guardians of The Galaxy works very well, the humor in Infinity War and End Game just falls very flat. And I feel like anime is currently in this same situation in not doing a good job of balancing this

@RyanWiseman What fanservice are you even talking about? I assume we must be talking about different things.