Crunchyroll & Now Netflix Both Confirm Anime Sub Watchers Are the Minority on Their Platforms

How about people who use other methods of watching anime besides Crunchyroll and Netflix?

The vital minority ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle

....you do understand that subtitles aren't just for translation, right?

@Zarutaku isnt the vital minority here applies to the whole netflix and crunchyroll subscribers though?

for the pareto principle it sure implies that anime fan pirates are the overwhelming majority while the paying fans are the minority for sure

@krautnelson exception to the rule? sure but im talking about the major use case here

so you mean that there won't be people who watch with subs as choice in the future?`
that's never gonna be the case. there will always be people who wanna watch movies and TV shows in the original language, and even it's only 1% of the viewership, that is still enough to offer that feature, because it doesn't cost the service provider anything. they need to make the subtitles for people with hearing disabilities, and they need to have the original language available for the audiences who actually speak that language. like, the Ranma remake needs to have the Japanese dub for its Japanese Netflix audience.

Subs gonna die😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😭😭

Among all western cocksucking capitalist propaganda deg threads this have to be the dumbest one yet.

No sir subs aren't gonna die. It way cheaper and efficient to do subs than dubs. Anime will die the day Seiyuu business goes out. And as long as there's raw there will be subs. Fan subs even CR will do it because it's just dumb not to.

Dubs also include local language. Not all 52% dub watchers watch English. Best of luck dubbing every anime in 10 Indian/European languages to attract more customers lol.

Netflix is shit company and absolute worst for anime so Idc. This is probably the reason Fragrant flower got delayed in west because they wanna release Subs and dubs together well enjoy. In Asia it's one week delay because majority watch subs I assume.

@krautnelson no im not talking all or nothing here like i said exceptions to the rule exist anyway plus minority subscribers will just get the cheaper experience like ai subs too

@WaterMage you took it literally i just mean majority of cases or as the saying goes there are always exceptions to the rule

and nope im also concerned about china and india influence in the anime industry, and china and india are more worse than westernization

@deg majority what they stop releasing subs why? It's just not efficient. Even among CR they know about 30-40% only watch subs they just won't lose that audiance for free aren't they.

And worse in how? Does China India push woke values, does China India ban Lolis, does China & India watch dubs more than subs? And the Indian influence on Anime have to one of the biggest myth lol. It's still a very very niche entertainment for Indians. There are people who only watch 1-2 battle shounens but I won't be counting them as "anime fans". Also they don't pay for services. FYI pirating is the norm here. China idk sure more Donghua gets released but if you don't like it ignore they ain't hampering anime production arnt they?

@WaterMage china bans a lot of anti government anime like attack on titan and they censor with white blood making it look cum plus they put clothes on sexy anime characters and india hates record of ragnarok because india is a religious country https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/anime/is-record-of-ragnark-anime-banned-in-india-a-look-at-one-of-the-most-controversial-anime/articleshow/120648655.cms

also crunchyroll is very cheap in india right now 1 dollars per month subscription

@deg yes and? It's deeply insulting for Indians so I don't see anything wrong here. I remember Scorsese movie Silence was banned in Japan for similar reasons. And if an anime paints Jesus or mother Mairy in weird way it will get lot of heat in west too or Allah/Budha for muslims and Buddhist. But outside religious issues there isn't any other problems like woke values. Sure people watch more mainstream than "controversial" one but they don't complain.

CCP censorship is different thing. I hate them myself. But AOT still biggest Animanga succes with or without China so 0 impact.

@WaterMage youre forgetting japan has bad economy right now and one good growing sector is the anime industry and like any capitalist they want to maximize profit and no better way to do that than enter the global market

japan has competition with chinese cartoons now too

@deg it is growing so where the problem? It simply ain't gonna grow pandering to western values tho. Anime is way bigger market in South East Asia which doesn't care that much about woke values.

I don't know any country that pushes "woke values". Also anime is the "wokest" medium.
On the other hand, Chinese censorship makes them unwatchable, because they simply erase characters completely from scenes.

@WaterMage more growth or more market monopoly means more censorship

@deg censoring what?
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If anything. Dub watching rates were MUCH higher back in the day.

Most people just watched anime on tv lol.

@deg censoring what?
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@WaterMage i don't think you've seen many 2000s anime. The gay and lesbian stuff is a lot more prominent than it is today.

You can thank the ccp for making anime palatable to prudes

@ComeInReiAsuka That's a really interesting point. I sure as hell wasn't watching Pokémon or shows on Toonami in Japanese when I was younger.

@WaterMage any kind in other words global market means more profit but more censorship too because you still got many different countries that have different censorship when it comes to their cultures and laws

@WaterMage i don't think you've seen many 2000s anime. The gay and lesbian stuff is a lot more prominent than it is today.

You can thank the ccp for making anime palatable to prudes

@deg that's a challenge of globalisation. Hollywood also censor blacks to appeal to Chinese audiance. And CCP censoring is what you have to deal with in order to expand it there.

I still dk why India is problem except one off controversial religious one which simply can just be avoided. And even then non religious can pirate it lol.

this is the biggest sample size for paying customer demographic

also max sample size is usually around 1000 anyway due to how margin of error does not improve as that number increases so just look at how polls and surveys usually max out around 1000 sample size no matter how big the population of a country is

@deg Streams have shows that are not anime, especially Netflix, so we must discount them since you don't buy a Netflix subscription for anime.

Crunchyroll is somewhat fine but many on the high seas buy anime merch, and primarily watch sub which will be discounted because of their disdain towards stream and strong desire to own things. Their sample is invalid as even a wider representation of the paying consumer demographic. I think a torrenting site needs to add their data to the sample, with the cave at that it asks if they also pay for anime-related merchandise. If they do, their numbers should count as a paying consumer demographic.

lol no it was'nt ...it was very niche and fringe



its way more prominent now bc of the v-tubing & girly twitch streamer trend & some wokeness creeping thru

prominent anime in the early 2000s was gritty, dark, mature & masculine still riding the wave of success from the 80s & 90s golden age

@WaterMage if every fan pirates then there will be less demand for ecchi anime for example so there will be less supply in the future too according to law of supply and demand but in case of india they will sure to experiment with tamer anime that will become mainstream still there and make profit more that way

@ItachiDeltaForce lol I was just watching an anime with a lesbian couple that aired in 2008. Shigofumi.

In general there were tons of lesbian stuff in the time frame. Kiddy Grade And. Darker than Black 2. Needless. And more. 2008-2009 i mean.

And we already had this conversation. Sam Cham and Gits which aired in that time frame had gay characters. Hell your favorite is a lesbo

@deg if they censor ecchi what's there to watch? They are still being made for now because there is demand and people are buying. There are other better way to generate revenues than just watching through streaming service.

As I said there literally 0 restrictions for Indians except religious grounds. Not counting majority who will not watch anything outside hyped battle shounen to gloat about it it's still a niche hobby and people don't care about "values" in this country. So they don't take anything for India. Just an excuse to cover up for westen bias.

@ComeInReiAsuka im not saying it did'nt exist ...im just saying it was not as prominent, it was fringe

kusanagi likes guys aswell

shes technically a cyborg how human is she?

@ItachiDeltaForce no it wasn't fringe. It was fucking everywhere in 2000s anime.

I brought up Kannazuki no Miko. Gankotsuou. Sousei Aquarion. Zegapain. Speed Grapher. All of these had blatantly gay characters in 2004-2006 alone.

I haven't even come close to watching all the shows in that era BTW.

@ComeInReiAsuka no u chose to seek out those anime for whatever reason....it was not the "main stream"


anyway i consider any anime to me that is post 2007 modern

@ItachiDeltaForce take the L dude. Even Geass had gay characters and that was mainstream as hell

@ItachiDeltaForce take the L dude. Even Geass had gay characters and that was mainstream as hell