| I have a bit of a trauma with the "western common-sense" when it comes to video-game discourse, I've heard the "LE OBLIVION HORSE LE STARTED LE MICROTRANSACTIONS" story a thousand times, and every single of of them it feels so weird to me, since I remember things like the Artix Entertainment games or koreans/chinese games (Manly MMORPGs and Shooters) having what we would call "abuse microtransaction systems" way back when. When it comes to anime, I remember I MYSELF, in 2018, talking about "Oh, Evangelion was the deconstruction of mecha, before that all anime showed piloting a mecha as something cool and positive" (I had never watched Eva, mind you), then later that year I watched the original Gundam movies and thought "Wait... that broke everything I thought I knew". Same goes for the story you've heard a million times of "LE MADOKA LE STARTED LE DARK MAHOU SHOUJO", and I only saw this being openly contested in a video this year, on a video >>>by a VN channel<<< that pointed out that in the 2000's alone you already had a tradition with Nanoha and Mai-Hime. Why does stuff like that happen? How can we prevent it from happening? |
| It's because Evangelion and Madoka are super popular so yes they both broke new ground for their respective genres, nobody cares about niche animays that you consider to have done it first, they don't matter. |
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It's because Evangelion and Madoka are super popular so yes they both broke new ground for their respective genres, nobody cares about niche animays that you consider to have done it first, they don't matter.
| @LenRea Get better baits. That you thought I was gonna fall for this is offensive to me. |
| Misinformation is pretty normal. People often credit popular works for ideas brought by older niche stuff. Like claiming digimon ripped off pokemon. The idea of monster recruitment started long before either series. |
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| Don't parrot facts. Consume more and discover more. Hug your lack of knowledge and feel that everything you feel is right can be wrong. I don't know why you scream absolutes in caps french, but it is fun to discover new things right. Japanese are youtubers too, so go watching them? On the hindsight, some japanese know some anime by ads but didn't stop to watch every anime/game ever. Japanese sites don't even put mecha tag on stuff, they use robo. Mecha is for stuff that is mechanical, the common steam punk train for example. What they have is more base cultural aspects than you. It might come as a surprise but their tv includes a lot of their shows and anime is just one slice of that culture pizza. The motoneta original is most times not even anime or game. If you can read pixiv entries, it is their best meme wikipedia for that stuff. |
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| Well for magical girl Madoka isn't the first dark magical girl I will give it to Nurse Angel Ririka is because of how sad and brutal story was I feel bad for not all people know about she is same vain as Hime-Chan Ribbon and Akazukin Cha Cha. |
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| Im counting: - Your trauma - Your gaming experience - You reminiscing on "way back in the day" - You (YOURSELF) and what you did 2018 - Gundam and Eva and what you thought about them - Another Video you watched on Youtube you're telling us about Exscuse me.... Is this your diary and you just confused the tabs and that is why it's on here? xD |
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| by purging all western woke dei degeneracy from existence..... |
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Im counting:
- Your trauma
- Your gaming experience
- You reminiscing on "way back in the day"
- You (YOURSELF) and what you did 2018
- Gundam and Eva and what you thought about them
- Another Video you watched on Youtube you're telling us about
Exscuse me....
Is this your diary and you just confused the tabs and that is why it's on here? xD
- Your trauma
- Your gaming experience
- You reminiscing on "way back in the day"
- You (YOURSELF) and what you did 2018
- Gundam and Eva and what you thought about them
- Another Video you watched on Youtube you're telling us about
Exscuse me....
Is this your diary and you just confused the tabs and that is why it's on here? xD
| @Merve2Love I considered also adding the story on how on 2012/2013's Facebook I would see EVERYWHERE the story on how "Noob Saibot was the name of Mortal Kombat's creator in reverse, Tobias Boon"... except that there was no man named "Tobias Boon" that made Mortal Kombat. Shit like this always made me very "skpetical" of the so called "popular wisdom", which alongside other experiences, never made me feel "right" on conservatism or libertarianism, which is why nowadays I'm pretty gung-ho on anti-misinformation campaigns and such: Not as much because I feel that bad people will use them to do bad things, but because the average citizen is dumb and will do bad stuff thinking they're doing good stuff. I decided against including this on the thread as it digressed too much from the main point. Super-early versions of this thread I thought about included starting it with "There's a Brazillian saying of 'Every Brazillian is born knowing two things: Crying and that Xuxa made ~that movie~'" Merve2Love said: Is this your diary and you just confused the tabs and that is why it's on here? xD I don't see the problem: I'm giving people context and where I'm coming from, this is super common in video-essays, and I always loved to read texts that start with a seemingly unrelated anecdote. |
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@Merve2Love
I considered also adding the story on how on 2012/2013's Facebook I would see EVERYWHERE the story on how "Noob Saibot was the name of Mortal Kombat's creator in reverse, Tobias Boon"... except that there was no man named "Tobias Boon" that made Mortal Kombat. Shit like this always made me very "skpetical" of the so called "popular wisdom", which alongside other experiences, never made me feel "right" on conservatism or libertarianism, which is why nowadays I'm pretty gung-ho on anti-misinformation campaigns and such: Not as much because I feel that bad people will use them to do bad things, but because the average citizen is dumb and will do bad stuff thinking they're doing good stuff.
I decided against including this on the thread as it digressed too much from the main point.
Super-early versions of this thread I thought about included starting it with "There's a Brazillian saying of 'Every Brazillian is born knowing two things: Crying and that Xuxa made ~that movie~'"
I don't see the problem: I'm giving people context and where I'm coming from, this is super common in video-essays, and I always loved to read texts that start with a seemingly unrelated anecdote.
I considered also adding the story on how on 2012/2013's Facebook I would see EVERYWHERE the story on how "Noob Saibot was the name of Mortal Kombat's creator in reverse, Tobias Boon"... except that there was no man named "Tobias Boon" that made Mortal Kombat. Shit like this always made me very "skpetical" of the so called "popular wisdom", which alongside other experiences, never made me feel "right" on conservatism or libertarianism, which is why nowadays I'm pretty gung-ho on anti-misinformation campaigns and such: Not as much because I feel that bad people will use them to do bad things, but because the average citizen is dumb and will do bad stuff thinking they're doing good stuff.
I decided against including this on the thread as it digressed too much from the main point.
Super-early versions of this thread I thought about included starting it with "There's a Brazillian saying of 'Every Brazillian is born knowing two things: Crying and that Xuxa made ~that movie~'"
Merve2Love said:
Is this your diary and you just confused the tabs and that is why it's on here? xD
Is this your diary and you just confused the tabs and that is why it's on here? xD
I don't see the problem: I'm giving people context and where I'm coming from, this is super common in video-essays, and I always loved to read texts that start with a seemingly unrelated anecdote.
| @thewiru It's not a problem^^ It's just these lonely, self centered people who use my favorite Anime Site to unload their personal life on You might love it. That's fine. But so is me telling you you're a narcissisticic guy, who makes Threads everyday to garner attention. So let's carry on. |
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| In terms of gaming,almost no one from the EU & US played Chinese or Korean games,for MMORPG we had WoW,Runescape,MU & others (I am not well-versed in the genre),some had MTX,some were subscription based as well as buying the game+expansions,for FPS I mean there is a fucking plethora but most notable on PC was and still is CS (which Koreans and Chinese versions are derived from).Thing is with WoW you bought the game+subscription and you had access to the content,same with CS,COD etc there was nothing like MTX which you are pointing out early and you are correct,SK spend a lot of cash on it even in the early 2000s.The main difference is that not only is Oblivion a valid argument,since EA followed it a bit later with their whole FIFA packs,then around 2013 when phone gaming was becoming more popular and companies were seeing the absurd amount of revenue (which was the first time the EU & US were more exposed to the whole idea and started spending),what do you think happened ? Mobile games & MTX in games,ranging from cosmetics to downright harmful to both development & players...Look it's a very long subject and from what I've seen from your posts,you don't really delve into things but are more akin to CBR,a.k.a. made for mass consumption and to start arguments. The answer to your question ? Whenever something gets extremely popular people start noticing (and no EVA isn't a fucking deconstruction),it's not who did it first but who gained the recognition & profits.From there a craze forms and domino effect ensues.It's not something that can be prevented,if you want more information for yourself that's fine,delve deep into the rabbit hole and you will eventually find the first one to do X thing. |
| Can I Still Go To Heaven If I Kill Myself? |
thewiru said: I've heard the "LE OBLIVION HORSE LE STARTED LE MICROTRANSACTIONS" story a thousand times, and every single of of them it feels so weird to me, since I remember things like the Artix Entertainment games or koreans/chinese games (Manly MMORPGs and Shooters) having what we would call "abuse microtransaction systems" way back when. I remember playing Artix games back then. I looked up the release date of Oblivion, and it seems to be around the same time Artix introduced microtransactions. Oblivion was likely more influential as it was the higher profile game. thewiru said: Same goes for the story you've heard a million times of "LE MADOKA LE STARTED LE DARK MAHOU SHOUJO", and I only saw this being openly contested in a video this year, on a video >>>by a VN channel<<< that pointed out that in the 2000's alone you already had a tradition with Nanoha and Mai-Hime. I wouldn't call Nanoha dark at all. Mai-Hime is definitely more like Madoka. thewiru said: Why does stuff like that happen? How can we prevent it from happening? I don't know. I don't think there is any fixing systemic ignorance. Individuals can become less ignorant through a willingness to consider new information, even when it challenges existing beliefs. |
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thewiru said:
Evangelion was the deconstruction of mecha
the people who say this have no idea what they're talking about. Evangelion was the deconstruction of mecha
| @Scyfher I do know this now (Well, now I've known it for 6 years), but how could I have known it back then? |
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@thewiru
It's not a problem^^
It's just these lonely, self centered people who use my favorite Anime Site to unload their personal life on
You might love it. That's fine.
But so is me telling you you're a narcissisticic guy, who makes Threads everyday to garner attention. So let's carry on.
It's not a problem^^
It's just these lonely, self centered people who use my favorite Anime Site to unload their personal life on
You might love it. That's fine.
But so is me telling you you're a narcissisticic guy, who makes Threads everyday to garner attention. So let's carry on.
Merve2Love said: But so is me telling you you're a narcissisticic guy, who makes Threads everyday to garner attention. So let's carry on. I make them all day because I like talking to people about the things I like, and I don't have much reach anywhere else. If I had a massive Twitter profile, I would do this there. I never had friends in school, all my interactions were on the internet. |
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Merve2Love said:
But so is me telling you you're a narcissisticic guy, who makes Threads everyday to garner attention. So let's carry on.
But so is me telling you you're a narcissisticic guy, who makes Threads everyday to garner attention. So let's carry on.
I make them all day because I like talking to people about the things I like, and I don't have much reach anywhere else.
If I had a massive Twitter profile, I would do this there.
I never had friends in school, all my interactions were on the internet.
| @thewiru Exactly. It's all about you and your day and your social media. I don't care about what you did or what was school like for you. Im sorry. This is MaL. This is not therapy. |
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| I will add that I too have been frequently distressed by my ignorance, most recently when you shared those essays on the history of magical girls. |
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@thewiru
Exactly. It's all about you and your day and your social media.
I don't care about what you did or what was school like for you. Im sorry. This is MaL. This is not therapy.
Exactly. It's all about you and your day and your social media.
I don't care about what you did or what was school like for you. Im sorry. This is MaL. This is not therapy.
Merve2Love said: Exactly. It's all about you and your day and your social media. I don't understand. Why should it be about, then? |
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Merve2Love said:
Exactly. It's all about you and your day and your social media.
Exactly. It's all about you and your day and your social media.
I don't understand.
Why should it be about, then?
| @thewiru Not you and your Life, pretty much^^ Pretty simple |
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@LenRea
Get better baits.
That you thought I was gonna fall for this is offensive to me.
Get better baits.
That you thought I was gonna fall for this is offensive to me.
| @thewiru >BAIT BAIT BAIT BAIT WAAAAHAAAAAA It's not bait. It's objective facts. It's not about who invented the light bulb it's about who made it sell. Your pretentious dilemmas have very obvious answers, it's your own fault. |
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thewiru said:
I've heard the "LE OBLIVION HORSE LE STARTED LE MICROTRANSACTIONS" story a thousand times, and every single of of them it feels so weird to me, since I remember things like the Artix Entertainment games or koreans/chinese games (Manly MMORPGs and Shooters) having what we would call "abuse microtransaction systems" way back when.
I've heard the "LE OBLIVION HORSE LE STARTED LE MICROTRANSACTIONS" story a thousand times, and every single of of them it feels so weird to me, since I remember things like the Artix Entertainment games or koreans/chinese games (Manly MMORPGs and Shooters) having what we would call "abuse microtransaction systems" way back when.
I remember playing Artix games back then. I looked up the release date of Oblivion, and it seems to be around the same time Artix introduced microtransactions. Oblivion was likely more influential as it was the higher profile game.
thewiru said:
Same goes for the story you've heard a million times of "LE MADOKA LE STARTED LE DARK MAHOU SHOUJO", and I only saw this being openly contested in a video this year, on a video >>>by a VN channel<<< that pointed out that in the 2000's alone you already had a tradition with Nanoha and Mai-Hime.
Same goes for the story you've heard a million times of "LE MADOKA LE STARTED LE DARK MAHOU SHOUJO", and I only saw this being openly contested in a video this year, on a video >>>by a VN channel<<< that pointed out that in the 2000's alone you already had a tradition with Nanoha and Mai-Hime.
I wouldn't call Nanoha dark at all. Mai-Hime is definitely more like Madoka.
thewiru said:
Why does stuff like that happen? How can we prevent it from happening?
Why does stuff like that happen? How can we prevent it from happening?
I don't know. I don't think there is any fixing systemic ignorance. Individuals can become less ignorant through a willingness to consider new information, even when it challenges existing beliefs.
Lucifrost said: I remember playing Artix games back then. I looked up the release date of Oblivion, and it seems to be around the same time Artix introduced microtransactions. Oblivion was likely more influential as it was the higher profile game. Of all the things you could have played, how did you find those? o.O I looked up their games, I never even heard of them... |
| Why? General lack of knowledge and biases. Mecha is perceived by many to be purely about the robot fights and that it lacks focus on the characters, while mahou shoujo is perceived to be light-hearted and cutesy with no real stakes. So when a show appears and happens to gain popularity because it subverted said expectations, people claim it's a "deconstruction". And if it inspires shows after it, then it gets treated as the very first of its kind. Misinformation spreads quickly, especially by people that don't know any better. These genres are not particularly popular in the west, so most people wouldn't bat an eye at hearing this and would treat it as fact. This mindset is naturally not just limited to anime or even these specific genres. Prevent it? There's quite literally 0 way to completely prevent it. Nobody's omniscient, and people derive information from the most easily accessible source or whichever direct contact points they have. Most people don't care about these things enough to look into them further, and you can never stop misinformation from being a thing. If you yourself care about this stuff, then only thing you can do is double check all information you receive, and thoroughly research the topic of interest. But preventing ignorance of others is impossible, arguing with a wall is more productive than explaining to someone that they're wrong on a topic they couldn't care less about. Maybe I'm also talking outta my ass, that's my two cents on the topic anyways. |
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@thewiru >BAIT BAIT BAIT BAIT WAAAAHAAAAAA
It's not bait. It's objective facts. It's not about who invented the light bulb it's about who made it sell. Your pretentious dilemmas have very obvious answers, it's your own fault.
It's not bait. It's objective facts. It's not about who invented the light bulb it's about who made it sell. Your pretentious dilemmas have very obvious answers, it's your own fault.
| @LenRea Are you telling me that Gundam didn't sell. That Nanoha and Mai-Hime didn't sell. That Korean games that make five gorgilion dollar a year don't sell. Are you kidding me? |
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@LenRea
Are you telling me that Gundam didn't sell.
That Nanoha and Mai-Hime didn't sell.
That Korean games that make five gorgilion dollar a year don't sell.
Are you kidding me?
Are you telling me that Gundam didn't sell.
That Nanoha and Mai-Hime didn't sell.
That Korean games that make five gorgilion dollar a year don't sell.
Are you kidding me?
| @thewiru Yeah they still didn't sell enough apparently cause they ain't as mainstream and popular as NGE or Madoka Magica. Well, maybe Gundam is a little bit but not near that level. |
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by purging all western woke dei degeneracy from existence.....
| @ItachiDeltaForce that literally has nothing to do with the question posed whatsoever |
This post is brought to you by your local transfem gamer goblin. Will not tolerate bigotry and will fight against "anti-woke" sentiment to make the anime community a safer place.  |
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| @LSSJ_Gaming i only read the headliner not the details... |
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| I think its more just a bias of the most popular example of a trend from early on tends to be the one most stick to as being the genesis of said trend, and this goes far beyond just video games and animation. The best way to look into this would be to research what may have led to the decisions made in the first place via interviews with creators, historical context, and production details if they are publicly available to give one the context |
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@LSSJ_Gaming i only read the headliner not the details...
| @ItachiDeltaForce so you aren't even researching the nonsense you regurgitate and only seeing the surface level. That's lovely, if this were any other space this would genuinely hurt your credibility to admit |
| This post is brought to you by your local transfem gamer goblin. Will not tolerate bigotry and will fight against "anti-woke" sentiment to make the anime community a safer place. |
Oh, the irony of people who push anime as a force to be reckoned. Are you sure it is paid promotion? Since WHO BLOODY CARES?  |
SgtBateManJan 6, 6:56 PM
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Lucifrost said:
I remember playing Artix games back then. I looked up the release date of Oblivion, and it seems to be around the same time Artix introduced microtransactions. Oblivion was likely more influential as it was the higher profile game.
I remember playing Artix games back then. I looked up the release date of Oblivion, and it seems to be around the same time Artix introduced microtransactions. Oblivion was likely more influential as it was the higher profile game.
Of all the things you could have played, how did you find those? o.O
I looked up their games, I never even heard of them...
| @JaniSIr I saw someone else playing Adventure Quest and thought it looked cool. I did not think Runescape looked cool. And I DIDN'T see anyone playing Maple Story, because the Maple Story fans at my school were super secretive about their hobby. |
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@thewiru Yeah they still didn't sell enough apparently cause they ain't as mainstream and popular as NGE or Madoka Magica. Well, maybe Gundam is a little bit but not near that level.
LenRea said: cause they ain't as mainstream and popular as NGE or Madoka Magica Because those are in the top 10 anime who sold the most. No shit nothing comes close to them. Conclusion: Avengers Endgame invented cinema. |
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Lucifrost said:
I remember playing Artix games back then. I looked up the release date of Oblivion, and it seems to be around the same time Artix introduced microtransactions. Oblivion was likely more influential as it was the higher profile game.
I remember playing Artix games back then. I looked up the release date of Oblivion, and it seems to be around the same time Artix introduced microtransactions. Oblivion was likely more influential as it was the higher profile game.
Of all the things you could have played, how did you find those? o.O
I looked up their games, I never even heard of them...
| @JaniSIr I would recommend Josh Strife Hayes video about Adventure Quest in specific, I played it back in the day, I also played other games of then, such as Dragonfable, MechQuest and AdventureQuest World (It blew my mind back then how you could have things like "band concerts" ingame or an event where THE ENTIRE server fought a boss with a gigantic healthbar at the same time (Needless to say, the servers crashed after he was down)). Adventure Quest and DragonFable were quite popular in my school back then, on the level of Club Penguin and RuneScape. In hindsight, I do have some appreciation for them, since they seemed to clearly have a level for love for anime as well as bishounen/bishoujo designs, one that was characteristic of 2000's internet. Those designs alone has more soul than 99% of western """anime-inspired""" stuff because they understand how it works. |
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Lucifrost said:
I remember playing Artix games back then. I looked up the release date of Oblivion, and it seems to be around the same time Artix introduced microtransactions. Oblivion was likely more influential as it was the higher profile game.
I remember playing Artix games back then. I looked up the release date of Oblivion, and it seems to be around the same time Artix introduced microtransactions. Oblivion was likely more influential as it was the higher profile game.
Of all the things you could have played, how did you find those? o.O
I looked up their games, I never even heard of them...
| @JaniSIr While we are at it, I'll assume you also never heard about "Grand Chase", "Lunia Online", "Priston Tale", "Elsword", "Ragnarok Online", "Tibia Online" and "GunZ: The Duel". Let's just say those were quite the big deal in Brazil. |
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Oh, the irony of people who push anime as a force to be reckoned. Are you sure it is paid promotion? Since WHO BLOODY CARES?
| @SgtBateMan Take your meds. a k e y o u r m e d s . |
That's rich from people letting things live rent-free inside their heads. |
Help! I need somebody. Help! Not just anybody. Help! You know I need someone. Helpppppp! |
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@JaniSIr
I would recommend Josh Strife Hayes video about Adventure Quest in specific, I played it back in the day, I also played other games of then, such as Dragonfable, MechQuest and AdventureQuest World (It blew my mind back then how you could have things like "band concerts" ingame or an event where THE ENTIRE server fought a boss with a gigantic healthbar at the same time (Needless to say, the servers crashed after he was down)).
Adventure Quest and DragonFable were quite popular in my school back then, on the level of Club Penguin and RuneScape.
In hindsight, I do have some appreciation for them, since they seemed to clearly have a level for love for anime as well as bishounen/bishoujo designs, one that was characteristic of 2000's internet.
Those designs alone has more soul than 99% of western """anime-inspired""" stuff because they understand how it works.
I would recommend Josh Strife Hayes video about Adventure Quest in specific, I played it back in the day, I also played other games of then, such as Dragonfable, MechQuest and AdventureQuest World (It blew my mind back then how you could have things like "band concerts" ingame or an event where THE ENTIRE server fought a boss with a gigantic healthbar at the same time (Needless to say, the servers crashed after he was down)).
Adventure Quest and DragonFable were quite popular in my school back then, on the level of Club Penguin and RuneScape.
In hindsight, I do have some appreciation for them, since they seemed to clearly have a level for love for anime as well as bishounen/bishoujo designs, one that was characteristic of 2000's internet.
Those designs alone has more soul than 99% of western """anime-inspired""" stuff because they understand how it works.
thewiru said: they seemed to clearly have a level for love for anime The game has a character named "Vampire Hunter E." |
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That's rich from people letting things live rent-free inside their heads.
SgtBateMan said: That's rich from people letting things live rent-free inside their heads. Yeah, those are called "thoughts". You don't seem to have many of them. |
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SgtBateMan said:
That's rich from people letting things live rent-free inside their heads.
That's rich from people letting things live rent-free inside their heads.
Yeah, those are called "thoughts".
You don't seem to have many of them.
| @thewiru lol, calling unproductivity 'thoughts'. Seriously, people. |
Help! I need somebody. Help! Not just anybody. Help! You know I need someone. Helpppppp! |
| "Why does stuff like that happen?" 1. Because people prefer to push easy to understand narratives comprised in one simple slogan like "X broke the mold." or "Y is progressive.", but in reality cultural milestones and cultural legacy work way more complex and even in some cases in controversial politically incorrect ways (for example the creator of Utena is literally a sexual predator and everybody conveniently forgets about that). This process of simplifying tend to propagate a lot of misconceptions. 2. In order to actually know that Evangelion or Madoka Magica, or Dragon Ball didn't invented half of the stuff they are credited for, you must watch a lot of shows created before them and nobody cares to put that much effort/invest so much time. It's easier to fabricate stuff about your favorite show, nobody will factcheck you anyway. This is why is funny watching Gigguk's video about the history of mecha - he obviously haven't watched 90% of the shows he talks about. At the end of the day he never cared about mecha or sci-fi in general, he only cared for melodrama. "How can we prevent it from happening?" You can try, but you will be called "hater" for disagree with the consensus or "elitist". |
alshuJan 7, 12:01 AM
| Oblivion started the trend of microtransactions in western games. It was the first mainstream western game that succeeded in popularizing MTX. Nobody cares about koreans/chinese and their P2W MMORPGs that never gained mainstream attention in the west. It doesn't matter what anime did what first. It only matters which one popularized a concept. Also no, Nanoha and Mai-Hime aren't "dark mahou shoujo" when compared to Madoka Magica. |
| When people say "started" they mean "popularized" and that's usually accurate. |
| There is nothing wrong with being ignorant about anime. Anime is not even that good...to begin with. |
| The individual can become more informed through greater exposure and looking into things that they hear (not just accepting it as fact). However, while a work may not be the first to do something, it may still be very important both for the industry and how the greater public views said thing. |
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| I mean it would be really hard to pinpoint the EXACT moment that something came to form in such a broad medium like anime. I'm sure if we go back far enough we could find that most things have there conceptual genesis sometime in the 900~ BCE range. The truth is that popularity is the best metric we have for how media progresses. Yeah sure there were plenty of video games based LN's before SAO - but we say that those types of stories (stuff like overlord or MMO Junkie) had there genesis in SAO because that was the first time people noticed it and started marketing it as a staple of the show. And to be fair to Madoka, stuff like Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha OBVIOUSELY had distinctly child like qualities that maybe hid some of the more underlying "dark magical girl" themes. Same with Evangelion, the themes were just more overt than in other Mechas. So technically are they the first shows to ever do "Dark Magical Girls" or "Dark Mecha" probably not. But they are distinct and memorable - enough for people to call them pioneers. I mean I think that answers the why, but the prevention is a little more difficult. Obviousely we can't expect people to just go out and watch obscure stuff for the sake of it - people are just gonna watch what they want to watch at the end of the day. Even if that means they mislabel certain anime as "Pioneers". The only real way would be to stop people from jumping the gun lol. the truth is that people like to think the anime THEY watch are wholly unique compared to the rest of the shows people watch. As a result people are quick to throw labels; "Eva is a deconstruction of Mecha" or "Madoka was the first dark magical girl show". The truth is probably that you can't do anything about it. So long as people are people we will continue to selfishly believe that what we like is the start of some big trend or the pioneer of a genre. People have been doing this since times long past. Thomas Eddison, Chris Columbus; men touted as pioneers and trail blazers who were in many cases, not the pioneers we first assumed them to be. So yeah, without changing something fundamental about the way we think - it's likely that it will never be solved of how we can prevent it. The best we can do is educate and hope that people will listen. |
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thewiru said: ince I remember things like the Artix Entertainment games or koreans/chinese games (Manly MMORPGs and Shooters) h I will not have Artix slander, that shit is my childhood Oh and yeah, @BigBoyAdvance is pretty much right. No one but us nerds even know of what AE or the early Korean MMOslop are. In terms of non-F2P Western games, Oblivion is probably the first major title that had microtransactions |
AuronJan 7, 10:42 AM
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