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Why do they mostly make spin-offs of different Fates? Why are there usually different characters as protagonists in respective Fate spin-offs? Why are most of the source material of Fate are written by different people?
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Jan 1, 4:29 AM
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Fate is all about mana transfer. That's it.

The different entries of fate are tied by sharing the same concepts, and not from plot or characters. Think of something like the Star Wars Expanded Universe. All you need to know are the force and lightsabers.
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ZeroMajor12 said:
Why do they mostly make spin-offs of different Fates?

Because there are hundreds of historical and mythological people to loosely base their characters on. And I mean VERY loosely. So loosely in fact that the only thing they have in common with the actual person is the name. Also they have mobile gacha slop to sell now.
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The original, original bit of Fate media was the visual novel Fate/Stay Night. The broad premise is that in order to obtain the Holy Grail, an artifact of great power, mages conduct a violent ritual called the Holy Grail War, wherein they summon eight figures from history and legend who then fight to the death, with the winners getting to claim the Grail... or so they believe. Across three distinct routes, "Fate" (adapted for TV as "Fate/Stay Night", "Unlimited Blade Works", and "Heavens Feel", Fate/Stay Night uses this premise to explore the idea of what it means to be a hero, what the purpose of wielding power is, and whether new generations can break free from systemic, generational violence. Fate/Stay Night also received a prequel in the form of Fate/Zero, written by Nasu's very good friend Gen Urobuchi, which covers the events of the previous Holy Grail War which loom large over the events of Fate/Stay Night.

Now, because the original VN is already presenting the idea of alternate, equally valid timelines (not merely in the idea of there being multiple routes but also literally in the story), further Fate media embraced this with gusto. Consequently most other entries are not asking "what happened then?", they are asking "but what if...?", with various degrees of divergence from the original timelines. The idea of gaining the power and assistance of figures of legend remains across most instalment, but the nature of how and why changes, and the ideas explored as a result range from "what if the Holy Grail War was more like an actual war?" to "what if there were lolis and they kissed each other?" and, very prominently, "how can we use this to sell you gacha pulls?". Because none of these timelines intersect (usually) it doesn't particularly matter that they're written by different people, and different writers will all bring some new idea to the table.
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@Razecube you forgot to add "play GFL 2" at the end of the post
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ZeroMajor12 said:
Why do they mostly make spin-offs of different Fates?

Because lots of people like to see the same type of war over and over.
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Such bizarre questions. Imagine asking the same about Batman?
"Why do they mostly make spin-offs of different Batmen? Why are there usually different characters as protagonists in respective Batman spin-offs? Why are most of the source material of Batman are written by different people?"
In the interest of being helpful, nevertheless, I will do my best to answer your questions.

ZeroMajor12 said:
Why do they mostly make spin-offs of different Fates?

Money.

ZeroMajor12 said:
Why are there usually different characters as protagonists in respective Fate spin-offs?

They use whatever characters fit the stories they wish to tell.

ZeroMajor12 said:
Why are most of the source material of Fate are written by different people?

Because the original writer does not wish to spend his limited time writing about magical girls and whatnot.
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Jan 1, 10:46 AM
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Fate is about fate. Destiny, choices, regrets of things that can't be changed, changing the future to make things better, and time-travel to alter history.
Jan 1, 10:50 AM
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Yet another off-brand PO■É■ON, made from copyright free source material stock.
Jan 1, 10:54 AM

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when you make money this month, you don't stop and keep making money next month too, same thing
Jan 1, 11:49 AM

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It's about the Holy Grail War. The grail is an omnipotent wish-granting device. Mages seek the grail for ultimate power.
The reason for all the spinoffs stems from the original Visual Novels, they had 3 routes you could play through- it was originally an eroge novel with Shirou Emiya as the protagonist. So the first route has Arturia (Saber) as the love interest, 2nd has Tosaka Rin as the love interest, and 3rd had Sakura Matou as love interest. All 3 routes were adapted to anime. Then they created FGO as an mmorpg and there were various routes in that, so even more spinoffs came out. Basically it turned into a multiverse. I don't get why it's hated so much, I assume it's because the lore is dense, and things that are difficult to understand people find intimidating.
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The main universe (Fate/stay Night + Fate/zero) is about a world where mages can summon a hero from an alternate time to fight a "war" (which is closer to a melee battle, but whatever). The winner gets the Holy Grail, a powerful artifact that grants a wish.

It heavily relies on its lore to be compelling. The history of this world is very detailed, all characters have their own stories and their own motivations, and there are tons of different groups (like bloodlines, groups of hunters, religious groups, and so on...).


As for everything outside the main franchise... It's about cash. The Fate fanbase is the biggest pool of whales ever. Last time I checked, the mobile game was the most lucrative one in the market.... despite having only a few 100,000s downloads. Yes, not even a million players and yet it used to earn more than Pokemon Go and its 10M players...

Not every spin-off is bad though. I recall a Prisma Illya movie, which is basically written as a fourth route (Fate/Stay Night has three different versions, which we call "routes", and that movie is written as a new one). Too bad it's in one of the worst anime shows ever.
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Jan 1, 12:16 PM

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i guess its about winning a battle royale (holy grail war) & becoming all powerful with a free wish

the best series that depicts this is fate/zero the rest are a bit mid
Jan 1, 4:19 PM

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It's about the Holy Grail War. The grail is an omnipotent wish-granting device. Mages seek the grail for ultimate power.
The reason for all the spinoffs stems from the original Visual Novels, they had 3 routes you could play through- it was originally an eroge novel with Shirou Emiya as the protagonist. So the first route has Arturia (Saber) as the love interest, 2nd has Tosaka Rin as the love interest, and 3rd had Sakura Matou as love interest. All 3 routes were adapted to anime. Then they created FGO as an mmorpg and there were various routes in that, so even more spinoffs came out. Basically it turned into a multiverse. I don't get why it's hated so much, I assume it's because the lore is dense, and things that are difficult to understand people find intimidating.
@SuperAdventure So from what I can tell, every Fate series is based on the same setting or circumstances, just with a different touch on what they want to tell. It's like different authors reusing the same super-figures or villains to make their own story.

Thanks for trying to simplify it, because when I really think about it, it's like some weird superhero franchise with their own respective origin story coming to terms with the superheroes or supervillains.
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Such bizarre questions. Imagine asking the same about Batman?
"Why do they mostly make spin-offs of different Batmen? Why are there usually different characters as protagonists in respective Batman spin-offs? Why are most of the source material of Batman are written by different people?"
In the interest of being helpful, nevertheless, I will do my best to answer your questions.

ZeroMajor12 said:
Why do they mostly make spin-offs of different Fates?

Money.

ZeroMajor12 said:
Why are there usually different characters as protagonists in respective Fate spin-offs?

They use whatever characters fit the stories they wish to tell.

ZeroMajor12 said:
Why are most of the source material of Fate are written by different people?

Because the original writer does not wish to spend his limited time writing about magical girls and whatnot.
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Such bizarre questions. Imagine asking the same about Batman?
"Why do they mostly make spin-offs of different Batmen? Why are there usually different characters as protagonists in respective Batman spin-offs? Why are most of the source material of Batman are written by different people?"
In the interest of being helpful, nevertheless, I will do my best to answer your questions.


I get that what I'm asking can be pretty dumb, but thank you for actually answering what I was wondering about Fate. It's basically some weird comic book series that just got adapted by multiple studios. Everything has its own weird spin on the lore or story of what's the same setting in every series.
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ZeroMajor12 said:
Why do they mostly make spin-offs of different Fates?

They don't, all spin-offs are from the original trilogy.
ZeroMajor12 said:
Why are there usually different characters as protagonists in respective Fate spin-offs?

Because they're spin-offs.
That's how spin-offs work.
ZeroMajor12 said:
Why are most of the source material of Fate are written by different people?

It isn't.
"Fate/stay night" and "Fate/hollow ataraxia" are both written by Kinoko Nasu, and "Fate/zero" is written by Urobuchi Gen.
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Such bizarre questions. Imagine asking the same about Batman?
"Why do they mostly make spin-offs of different Batmen? Why are there usually different characters as protagonists in respective Batman spin-offs? Why are most of the source material of Batman are written by different people?"
In the interest of being helpful, nevertheless, I will do my best to answer your questions.

ZeroMajor12 said:
Why do they mostly make spin-offs of different Fates?

Money.

ZeroMajor12 said:
Why are there usually different characters as protagonists in respective Fate spin-offs?

They use whatever characters fit the stories they wish to tell.

ZeroMajor12 said:
Why are most of the source material of Fate are written by different people?

Because the original writer does not wish to spend his limited time writing about magical girls and whatnot.
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Because the original writer does not wish to spend his limited time writing about magical girls and whatnot.

Uhh...



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Because the original writer does not wish to spend his limited time writing about magical girls and whatnot.

Uhh...



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I only know the 3rd one. Would you care to provide a source for the other 2?
The 3rd one is technically both magic and a girl, but she is indistinguishable from Fate/Stay Night mages and nothing at all like Prisma Illya.
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I only know the 3rd one. Would you care to provide a source for the other 2?
The 3rd one is technically both magic and a girl, but she is indistinguishable from Fate/Stay Night mages and nothing at all like Prisma Illya.
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I only know the 3rd one. Would you care to provide a source for the other 2?

The first is from hollow ataraxia.
The second is Phantas-Moon, that page being from character material.
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I honestly think the Fate/Franchise spinoffs are mostly lore-porn in the same way Harry Potter is, in that it offers additional content that does not really build on the original/main narratives, but instead "expands" the universe through spinoffs and alternate narratives that bear little relation to the original work while maintaining some of the resemblance. I am sorry, but I do not "get" Fate Grand/Order appeal as a part of the Nasuverse with regards to Tsukihime, Fate Stay/Night, or otherwise.

I think it is perfectly fine to enjoy these works, but I argue Fate is about Fate, the world its created; in terms of themes martyrdom and self are not as prominent as they were, and that is arguably what Fate Stay/Night was about. Shirou's survivor-guilt, Saber's suicidal dedication to her lost Kingdom, the relationship between Shirou and Sakura in Heaven's Feel.
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I only know the 3rd one. Would you care to provide a source for the other 2?

The first is from hollow ataraxia.
The second is Phantas-Moon, that page being from character material.
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I looked up Phantasmoon and saw that she's from an old manga Nasu didn't write.
https://myanimelist.net/manga/780/Take_Moon
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the nasuverse is like the multiverse of marvel and dc comics of murica so you get a lot of alternate universes or lots of what if timelines
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I only know the 3rd one. Would you care to provide a source for the other 2?
The 3rd one is technically both magic and a girl, but she is indistinguishable from Fate/Stay Night mages and nothing at all like Prisma Illya.
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Yeah, that one in particular was a mistake of mine.
Regardless, it's a bit arbitrary to not count MahoYo, here.
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but she is indistinguishable from Fate/Stay Night mages

The first image is from Rin using Magical Ruby.
Fate/kaleid liner Prisma☆Illya's premise that is that Magical Ruby abandons Rin and chooses to partner with Illiya, so for all intents and purposes... those are Fate/Stay Night mages, the difference being that the ones in MahoYo are using casual clothing.
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@SuperAdventure So from what I can tell, every Fate series is based on the same setting or circumstances, just with a different touch on what they want to tell. It's like different authors reusing the same super-figures or villains to make their own story.

Thanks for trying to simplify it, because when I really think about it, it's like some weird superhero franchise with their own respective origin story coming to terms with the superheroes or supervillains.
@ZeroMajor12 kind of yes think of them as different routes
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@Lucifrost
Yeah, that one in particular was a mistake of mine.
Regardless, it's a bit arbitrary to not count MahoYo, here.
Lucifrost said:
but she is indistinguishable from Fate/Stay Night mages

The first image is from Rin using Magical Ruby.
Fate/kaleid liner Prisma☆Illya's premise that is that Magical Ruby abandons Rin and chooses to partner with Illiya, so for all intents and purposes... those are Fate/Stay Night mages, the difference being that the ones in MahoYo are using casual clothing.
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My point is that Prisma Illya is different from Fate/Stay Night and that Rin and Illya were not considered "magical girls" in their debut game. Can we at least agree that Witch on the Holy Night uses the same kind of magic seen in Unlimited Blade Works and Heaven's Feel?
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The Fate series? It’s a universe so vast, it puts multiverses to shame. Why all the spin-offs? Because why settle for one Holy Grail War when you can have infinite remixes? Different protagonists? Keeps things spicy. As for different authors, who wouldn’t want a piece of this epic pie? Welcome to Fate, where everyone gets a turn in the spotlight
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@SuperAdventure So from what I can tell, every Fate series is based on the same setting or circumstances, just with a different touch on what they want to tell. It's like different authors reusing the same super-figures or villains to make their own story.

Thanks for trying to simplify it, because when I really think about it, it's like some weird superhero franchise with their own respective origin story coming to terms with the superheroes or supervillains.
@ZeroMajor12 I would say they are based on the same concept (the Grail War Battle Royale fought by masters and servants) and that the nature of the Grail is roughly the same across the different series; but setting and circumstances differ between each.

And I should have added that the dozens of spinoffs really stems from the games (FGO, Extra, etc) while the original 3 routes of the VN each have the same 7 servant classes (with or without Ruler) and same rules (Grail War initiated by Church; grail chooses masters [command seals appear], masters summon Servants; each has 3 commands upon their servant, last servant standing touches the grail thus granting theirs and Masters' wish)

The games took the original concepts and changed the settings and rules and about a thousand servants to choose...

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