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if you think new anime is becoming bad then maybe you are an old veteran fan?
Dec 24, 12:55 PM
#1
lets face it each old generation will say an entertainment is becoming bad but is this because you have seen a lot already? i mean the saying there is no originality for a long time now is true right? tropes and genres are repetitive all through out anime history so if you think new anime is bad then its not for you anymore but for the new generation of fans? agree or disagree? arent grumpy old people will say they have seen it all? |
Dec 24, 1:03 PM
#2
Probably true in most cases, but certain aspects maybe become worse for real. |
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Dec 24, 1:06 PM
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Dec 24, 1:16 PM
#4
That is partially true, but it's also a matter of your taste. You're going to have some affinity for the stuff you grew up with. |
Dec 24, 1:19 PM
#5
Reply to deg
@Zarutaku are you thinking of censorship is worse today? that is a good point too
@deg I've said it many times before that today's young kids are weak against the stuff from the 90's. Getting offended by everything everywhere at any possible time. |
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Dec 24, 2:05 PM
#6
if you think new anime is becoming bad then maybe you are an old veteran fan? Yea, a lot of the new anime is way too good with its animation and repetitive story, it is objective that back in the 90s and early 2000's anime was done in multiple different genres and had a little uniqueness to it. However, new anime now is just good animation and isekai, rinse and reapeat. |
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Dec 24, 3:29 PM
#7
Idk. I'm only in mid-20s and just started anime right before the pandemic but still find old anime generally being better than new. Well you might wanna read my posts here https://myanimelist.net/forum/?goto=post&topicid=2190551&id=72077066 |
Dec 24, 3:51 PM
#8
Nope don't agree with that at all. I'm in a group with a bunch of older guys and the appreciation of new is probably stronger than for the old, because we've seen the old shows so much and got bored with them maybe; and a LOT more anime gets made in recent days. Like in 1988 you might be able to think of a few titles, but today we get 30 new titles PER SEASON. Most of my favorites are from this century not last and some are from the last 5 years. |
Dec 24, 4:08 PM
#9
Reply to SuperAdventure
Nope don't agree with that at all. I'm in a group with a bunch of older guys and the appreciation of new is probably stronger than for the old, because we've seen the old shows so much and got bored with them maybe; and a LOT more anime gets made in recent days. Like in 1988 you might be able to think of a few titles, but today we get 30 new titles PER SEASON. Most of my favorites are from this century not last and some are from the last 5 years.
@SuperAdventure agreed. I've been watching anime for over 30 years, and the majority of my favorites are less than 10 years old |
Dec 24, 4:17 PM
#10
Reply to SuperAdventure
Nope don't agree with that at all. I'm in a group with a bunch of older guys and the appreciation of new is probably stronger than for the old, because we've seen the old shows so much and got bored with them maybe; and a LOT more anime gets made in recent days. Like in 1988 you might be able to think of a few titles, but today we get 30 new titles PER SEASON. Most of my favorites are from this century not last and some are from the last 5 years.
@SuperAdventure i agree with this ...while i think older retro anime is great im always open to new modern anime as long as it aligns with my tastes and standards accessibility has changed... the way we consume anime has changed ...trends have changed, tech & tools to create anime has evolved.. etc etc... the thing is most modern anime has been tarnished with the mass production & abundance of slop isekai/romance & effeminate pussy teen beta-male main character garbage but one thing is for certain ...older golden age anime will always be superior |
ItachiDeltaForceDec 24, 7:22 PM
Dec 24, 4:28 PM
#11
You do realize the West did more to censor Anime in the 80s and 90s than anything that gets censor these days. Most people who complain about shit like fog covering up a girls nipples in a shower scene is censorship when the fact is the studio never even produced that specific scene to have bare nipples shown at all in the 1st place because the Anime was purposely targeting teenage brats around the world as young as 13. Reminds me how the Western OVA release of the Guyver completely cut out a brief nudity scene in the very last episode all together specifically because this adult Anime was being mostly consumed by a bunch of Western kids and children in the 90s. The Guyver didn't even ever Officially air on any Western broadcasting TV. It was only available on VHS or Laserdisc at the time. I even remember Sailor moon broadcasting on TV where they removed all elements of Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune being blatant lesbians in the late 90s. Even in the early 2000s when Outlaw Star aired on Cartoon Network, 2 episodes were completely removed from the series in it's airing cycle because of explicit nudity. Even Cowboy Bebop was censored on Cartoon Networks Adult Swim which was a time slot not intended for young viewers at all. Where over 75% of the all profanity was scrubbed out and a short scene of a characters nipples in one episode was completely cut out completely. Also when Lupin The 3rd aired on Cartoon Networks adult Swim, the episode about Hitler was completely scrubbed from it's airing cycle deemed as not appropriate and insensitive for western consumption. Even Pokemon was censored for Western consumption where the infamous Bikini episode was eventually removed from the airing cycle and completely banned in North America from airing on any broadcasting TV. |
ColourWheelDec 24, 5:09 PM
Dec 24, 4:30 PM
#12
@ColourWheel im not american so i do not know about american censorship much in the past and we watch much anime with vhs and dvds back in the late 1990s to early 2000s |
Dec 24, 4:30 PM
#13
Well I have been a long fan for 25 years, there are anime are good back in the day but there still new anime are good if I give credit to the pacing my only grip in the 80s and 90s are hundred episode unlike when I was a kid but as I grew old I want anime even it is 50 but I can't handle 100 anymore. |
Dec 24, 4:42 PM
#14
@ColourWheel also im more thinking of censorship in japan like how the original ranma anime has nipples shown but now the remake has no nipples for example so the level of censorship even in japan is different from old and today |
Dec 24, 4:53 PM
#15
Well of course, that's something only old veteran fan would say albeit not all of them are like that because they have something to compare to. Newcomers don't say that, I've never heard newcomers said that. |
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Dec 24, 5:01 PM
#16
deg said: @ColourWheel also im more thinking of censorship in japan like how the original ranma anime has nipples shown but now the remake has no nipples for example so the level of censorship even in japan is different from old and today I don't really think of that as real censorship. The original Ranma series was never produced with over seas consumption in mind and produced for an audience of those in their late teens and young adults. The Modern 're-make' is strictly being produced to try to appeal to a broad world wide audience of consumers as young as 13 year old teenage brats. Hence not even bothering to produce scenes of explicit nudity. When an Anime is being released in real time dubbed in over a dozen different languages and subbed in almost over 20 different languages it's no longer something that is strictly being produced for the Japanese domestic market alone or even in mind. If fans are really hung up over not seeing the tiny nipples which were featured in the original release from the 80s, then don't bother with the stupid 'remake' and go hunt down a quality copy of the Original 80s Anime on physical discs or something to enjoy like I would. But not specifically because I just want to see animated nipples. I usually just prefer Anime released before the turn of the century over any type of shitty modern remake. So for the most part, I will just ignore a large majority of modern Anime remakes. I look at censorship in more obvious ways like completely removing scenes post-production, or even producing new scenes to replace original scenes like they did with a version of "Demon Slayer" removing the Japanese Rising Sun from one of the characters ear rings or replacing a scene completely where a girl has a brief 'upskirt' scene partly exposing her panties and instead they completely remade the scene for the Chinese audience with the girl wearing shorts under her skirt instead like with what happened in "The World's Finest Assassin Gets Reincarnated in Another World as an Aristocrat", cutting out complete episodes for consumption, or even completely blurring out a girls body from the waist down because part of her panties are exposed in some scene when it's not being blurred out for other audiences in another region (talking about you South Korea!!!). lol Usually scenes that do get censored in Anime for Western consumption that were originally produced to show something like nudity are eventually released in the west uncensored like when an Anime finally gets an official physical release issued. |
ColourWheelDec 24, 7:04 PM
Dec 24, 5:10 PM
#17
It's not about originality, but about passion and care. Lodoss-tou Senki is a bit of your standard DnD campaign / fantasy adventure, but it was made with so much care and is so much fun to watch. Then there are a dozen of new series that have really shallow art and you can feel zero passion behind it. Btw not all new anime are bad. Just because I don't like most, doesn't mean I don't like anything. |
Dec 24, 6:02 PM
#18
been watching anime since I sleep in a craddle and we are still getting good anime |
:v |
Dec 24, 6:36 PM
#19
It doesn't matter the objective beauty but the subjective beauty, what matters is how a show makes you feel, if it moves you. I've seen a lot of movies and since the last years I've practically stopped, I don't care to find out what happened if it's me or the industry they don't move me, they're not original, I can't immerse myself in the stories while even though anime have changed a lot they still manage to move me a lot so it is not because they are targeting young generations. As for favorites it's increasingly difficult because it's a bit like the first love that you never forget, when you're young a work of art can literally become part of you and sculpt you into the person you will become while when you're an adult this is really rare for it to happen, you can appreciate a work of art a lot but it hardly becomes part of you and leaving a deep mark. |
Dec 24, 10:43 PM
#20
Reply to Rinrinka
Well of course, that's something only old veteran fan would say albeit not all of them are like that because they have something to compare to.
Newcomers don't say that, I've never heard newcomers said that.
Newcomers don't say that, I've never heard newcomers said that.
@Rinrinka exactly most newcomers will not say they have seen it all unlike veterans |
Dec 24, 10:45 PM
#21
LittleOwlbear said: that is mostly my point that you hate most new anime as a veteran tw not all new anime are bad. Just because I don't like most, doesn't mean I don't like anything. |
Dec 24, 10:51 PM
#22
Dec 24, 10:53 PM
#23
Reply to Confetti112
@deg No it’s not bro have you seen 4 kids, little bro? 😭😭😭
@Confetti112 im not american so cannot say although i heard stories like i said im mainly thinking of japan censorship like the original ranma in japanese tv has nipples but the modern japanese remake has no nipples now airing on japanese tv |
Yesterday, 12:25 AM
#24
Yesterday, 3:19 AM
#25
I've been watching anime for 23 years now and while there's a lot of excellent old stuff there's s also a fuck of a lot of top class new shows. Examples-Frieren, Violet Evergarden, too many to mention! |
Life Is Short But Intense. |
Yesterday, 3:29 AM
#26
It’s a tale as old as time. Each generation gets nostalgic about the good ol’ days, and swears that today’s entertainment just can’t compare. But honestly, isn’t that just part of being a “veteran” fan? You’ve seen so much, every trope, every genre twist, every plot device—it can start to feel like you’ve seen it all. I've probably seen it all as I'm a vet among the veterans |
Yesterday, 3:38 AM
#27
That's what I feel about myself, I think that I've seen the full gamut of almost everything anime has to offer and then a new series or movie comes along and totally surprises me. |
Life Is Short But Intense. |
Yesterday, 3:47 AM
#28
"if you think new anime is becoming bad..." ...that's because a lot of productions nowadays are absurdly rushed and because some trends are oversaturated with cheap knock-off of the titles which established said trends. It's not that this didn't happened in the past, but not on such scale. Like for example a good show from this year is Dungeon Meshi - which manga went for 10 years and the work on the first season went for 3 years. My point is, those things need time. |
alshuYesterday, 3:53 AM
Yesterday, 4:07 AM
#29
Its not that anime is becoming bad per say. Its the fact that there are too many shows that copy and paste the same generic narrative without adding any details to make it different. Take for example Re:Zero and SAO Season 1. Both are isekai anime which have similar themes. The difference is that the creators of both titles decided to add unique details to make each piece of media stand out. Re:Zero is categorized by its memorable characters and soundtrack whereas SAO is considered to be a title that defines the isekai genre. Because SAO is so famous and well known, its considered to be a title that made the isekai genre famous in the first place. Both titles have a lot of original ideas and arent just copy paste media like a lot of the shows today. Personally even though here is an occasional good anime show that releases every now and then, I can safely say that the golden decade of anime during the 2010s has long passed. I find myself going back and rewatching those shows sometimes because they were so good especially shows released between 2011-2014. So yes in conclusion I agree with your statement. |
Yesterday, 7:51 AM
#30
Reply to deg
LittleOwlbear said:
tw not all new anime are bad. Just because I don't like most, doesn't mean I don't like anything.
that is mostly my point that you hate most new anime as a veteran tw not all new anime are bad. Just because I don't like most, doesn't mean I don't like anything.
@deg Not really, because me being a "veteran" isn't the reason for disliking most new anime. I'd dislike these stories as books, live action or western animation too. |
Yesterday, 1:45 PM
#31
Reply to RainyEvenings
It’s a tale as old as time. Each generation gets nostalgic about the good ol’ days, and swears that today’s entertainment just can’t compare. But honestly, isn’t that just part of being a “veteran” fan? You’ve seen so much, every trope, every genre twist, every plot device—it can start to feel like you’ve seen it all. I've probably seen it all as I'm a vet among the veterans
@RainyEvenings kind of ..but there was a golden era 80s, 90s up to the early 2000s that op has missed the boat on completely different creative mind-set/philosophy not to mention there was just an abundance of writing & creative talent back then |
ItachiDeltaForceYesterday, 1:49 PM
Yesterday, 1:58 PM
#32
Reply to alshu
"if you think new anime is becoming bad..."
...that's because a lot of productions nowadays are absurdly rushed and because some trends are oversaturated with cheap knock-off of the titles which established said trends. It's not that this didn't happened in the past, but not on such scale.
Like for example a good show from this year is Dungeon Meshi - which manga went for 10 years and the work on the first season went for 3 years.
My point is, those things need time.
...that's because a lot of productions nowadays are absurdly rushed and because some trends are oversaturated with cheap knock-off of the titles which established said trends. It's not that this didn't happened in the past, but not on such scale.
Like for example a good show from this year is Dungeon Meshi - which manga went for 10 years and the work on the first season went for 3 years.
My point is, those things need time.
@alshu ahhh now see dungeon meshi!! ...i really frikkin liked that show dude & i consider that modern anime, but i had a great time with that series & rated it highly |
Yesterday, 2:22 PM
#33
12 hours ago
#34
Old anime are bad. Go and watch random 90s show that isn't a cult classic, then go watch a random modern show that isn't a cult classic. |
11 hours ago
#35
BigBoyAdvance said: Old anime are bad. Go and watch random 90s show that isn't a cult classic, then go watch a random modern show that isn't a cult classic. I believe this perception is only based on actual availability and quality of the copy of an Anime one is consuming. Most Modern Users aren't going to go out of their way to hunt down an obscure Anime before the turn of the century to watch it in it's highest fidelity possible by getting their hands on the Anime on actual official physical copies. Most Modern Users in the West simply relying on badly ripped copies of 'old' Anime mostly through the use of internet piracy that were never meant to be digitally converted in the 1st place. You take some random obscure modern Anime and down scale it to standard definition, record it on a VHS tape, then rip it back into digital format, that same Anime would likely be an even worse experience than watching actual 'Old' Anime when consuming it off of an Official physical copy. Reminds me how the enjoyment of watching and consuming the Anime "Slayers" was vastly improved when I finally got my hands on copies of the Anime on actual Official Physical Discs over the old 90s VHS boot legs handed around between friends when I was still in college in the late 90s. |
11 hours ago
#36
Maybe, it's either newcomers, or those that grew up. It's like life achievements/social status, if they want to look good and normal in front of people good on them, who cares. Own pace, expectations and sure, not a group following/what others see and follow along because they are stupid. We watch entertainment for just that or to inform. We can watch/read/play any kids show, book, game, whatever or something dark and enjoy it or see meaning in it for what it offers. Not see some weird perspective/expectations someone else has we don't see. That or what's normalized, versus what's 'expected' I guess in their regular life too. A number of factors. Some of us just get used to whatever ideas the original source creators come up with/studios, some of us know it's fiction, some of us don't care and want to see what limits are pushed. Not all that watch/read ecchi are delusional, fiction is fiction, we know that. We like to see what creative angles they take things sometimes. I don't care if I see ecchi, if it's too dark in a Hentai I just won't watch, it doesn't have to be for me (a challenge for people in many cases then their limits/open-minded or self awareness XD) but I don't think it's bad it shows a lot of other factors that, that audiences and themes may or may not care to see, and can offer even if too strong and not able to stomach it, doesn't make it bad, when other people can. People too focused on themselves/their individual perspective, when others have theirs. What romance, what action scenes, what words are thrown out, mannerisms, closeness, comfort or uncomfortable moments, rivalries, etc. what extent things go for. That or what they are 'told' and never seen, face value easy to follow stupidity then critical/creative thinking. If people are too used to or too culturally/era contextually stupid that's on them whether old western culture shows or old Japanese shows, animation or live action. Do young people need to be Fritz the cat educated too for ecchi, or 1920s animations for wars? Context and use cases over history of animation. Meanings of things over time. Their normal, their 'bubble' is not everyone else's problem. XD If other people can be open minded/control their normal and fiction exploration, good on them, if others can't, their problem and to get over it. Different levels of content were all willing to watch, we have our limits. The culture/time periods change and what themes can be show. Context of what happened decades ago aren't the case now, or were normal back then. Context some young people wouldn't understand. I know when seeing 80s or older media I go I don't know everything about this but I still keep in mind the differences besides what's normal for me of my period of entertainment/life. Let alone different countries normal in different eras. |
Suntanned_Duck211 hours ago
10 hours ago
#37
I'm pretty fine with the changes in era and trends that follow in each era. There is no value in non-constructive criticism. It is an entertainment, I watch when I find it interesting. |
9 hours ago
#38
Reply to ColourWheel
BigBoyAdvance said:
Old anime are bad. Go and watch random 90s show that isn't a cult classic, then go watch a random modern show that isn't a cult classic.
Old anime are bad. Go and watch random 90s show that isn't a cult classic, then go watch a random modern show that isn't a cult classic.
I believe this perception is only based on actual availability and quality of the copy of an Anime one is consuming. Most Modern Users aren't going to go out of their way to hunt down an obscure Anime before the turn of the century to watch it in it's highest fidelity possible by getting their hands on the Anime on actual official physical copies. Most Modern Users in the West simply relying on badly ripped copies of 'old' Anime mostly through the use of internet piracy that were never meant to be digitally converted in the 1st place. You take some random obscure modern Anime and down scale it to standard definition, record it on a VHS tape, then rip it back into digital format, that same Anime would likely be an even worse experience than watching actual 'Old' Anime when consuming it off of an Official physical copy.
Reminds me how the enjoyment of watching and consuming the Anime "Slayers" was vastly improved when I finally got my hands on copies of the Anime on actual Official Physical Discs over the old 90s VHS boot legs handed around between friends when I was still in college in the late 90s.
@ColourWheel That's a fair point. A common complaint I hear about old anime is "it's dark". But dark animes did look incredibly good on analog stuff like VHS. Nowadays people will watch a badly compressed 360p version and claim old anime is ugly and blurry xD |
Prophetess of the Golden Era |
6 hours ago
#39
I've been doing something about bad xvid or divx rips of anime made before the 2000's where I could. I've been importing used dvd sets of old series like Kokoro Library and Lime Colored War Tales and making my own releases that look as good as the original because they are from the source material. Then there's the problem of things that were released before the dvd era like laserdisc but there are people who are tackling those problems. You see a vhs to dvd rip that somebody made uploaded (I know because I made quite a few of those myself) that looks like shit but the vhs source usually looks like shit too. |
Life Is Short But Intense. |
6 hours ago
#40
zrdb said: I've been doing something about bad xvid or divx rips of anime made before the 2000's where I could. I've been importing used dvd sets of old series like Kokoro Library and Lime Colored War Tales and making my own releases that look as good as the original because they are from the source material. Then there's the problem of things that were released before the dvd era like laserdisc but there are people who are tackling those problems. You see a vhs to dvd rip that somebody made uploaded (I know because I made quite a few of those myself) that looks like shit but the vhs source usually looks like shit too. This is simply due to time. Commercial VHS tapes were never meant to last more than over two decades at most. I still own over hundreds of official VHS tapes from the 80s and 90s. Where randomly picking one up and popping it into an old VCR there is always noticeable decay and deterioration. I simply just keep them as collectables and not intending to ever use them again. Even Laserdiscs decay over time and disc rot is another story, but with proper handling and storage the ones I own will stay pristine long after I am dead in a few more decades from now. I still think some laserdisc copies of Anime I own are still better than some DVD releases of the same titles. I would never recommend a modern fan in the 2020s who is interested in getting into retro Anime to invest in VHS and always look towards any type of optical disc format like Laserdisc, VCD, DVDs, SVCD, etc... |
ColourWheel6 hours ago
2 hours ago
#41
Reply to ColourWheel
BigBoyAdvance said:
Old anime are bad. Go and watch random 90s show that isn't a cult classic, then go watch a random modern show that isn't a cult classic.
Old anime are bad. Go and watch random 90s show that isn't a cult classic, then go watch a random modern show that isn't a cult classic.
I believe this perception is only based on actual availability and quality of the copy of an Anime one is consuming. Most Modern Users aren't going to go out of their way to hunt down an obscure Anime before the turn of the century to watch it in it's highest fidelity possible by getting their hands on the Anime on actual official physical copies. Most Modern Users in the West simply relying on badly ripped copies of 'old' Anime mostly through the use of internet piracy that were never meant to be digitally converted in the 1st place. You take some random obscure modern Anime and down scale it to standard definition, record it on a VHS tape, then rip it back into digital format, that same Anime would likely be an even worse experience than watching actual 'Old' Anime when consuming it off of an Official physical copy.
Reminds me how the enjoyment of watching and consuming the Anime "Slayers" was vastly improved when I finally got my hands on copies of the Anime on actual Official Physical Discs over the old 90s VHS boot legs handed around between friends when I was still in college in the late 90s.
VHS rips are harder to find nowadays than DVD/Bluray encodes, so your point goes out the window (clueless strawman poster) |
2 hours ago
#42
Reply to BigBoyAdvance
VHS rips are harder to find nowadays than DVD/Bluray encodes, so your point goes out the window (clueless strawman poster)
BigBoyAdvance said: VHS rips are harder to find nowadays than DVD/Bluray encodes, so your point goes out the window (clueless strawman poster) I wasn't specifically talking VHS rips, dumbass. lol As I mentioned before I was simply talking about Anime that was never meant to be digitally converted in the 1st place. If you can't understand the analogy in my post about ripping modern Anime onto VHS then not going to waste my time trying to explain it again to someone who is obviously so simple minded. Thinking the mention of VHS was some how related to the availability of VHS encodings sure gave me a laugh still. Your post is more of a "clueless strawman poster" than anything I have posted so far in this thread. 😂 The irony, you literally created a "straw man" version of the original argument trying to make it out as an easy refute. Completely ignoring the point I was trying to make. Your post is a literal logical fallacy. lol Thanks for the good laugh. |
ColourWheel1 hour ago
1 hour ago
#43
Reply to ColourWheel
BigBoyAdvance said:
VHS rips are harder to find nowadays than DVD/Bluray encodes, so your point goes out the window (clueless strawman poster)
VHS rips are harder to find nowadays than DVD/Bluray encodes, so your point goes out the window (clueless strawman poster)
I wasn't specifically talking VHS rips, dumbass. lol As I mentioned before I was simply talking about Anime that was never meant to be digitally converted in the 1st place. If you can't understand the analogy in my post about ripping modern Anime onto VHS then not going to waste my time trying to explain it again to someone who is obviously so simple minded. Thinking the mention of VHS was some how related to the availability of VHS encodings sure gave me a laugh still. Your post is more of a "clueless strawman poster" than anything I have posted so far in this thread. 😂
The irony, you literally created a "straw man" version of the original argument trying to make it out as an easy refute. Completely ignoring the point I was trying to make. Your post is a literal logical fallacy. lol
Thanks for the good laugh.
@ColourWheel didn't read lel, you wrote so many words which means you were mad, i winz |
55 minutes ago
#44
I don't think it's bad and ive watched anime since I was little. It's just way more anime is made by over saturation of the market. |
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