Dunning-kruger effect have ruined anime community.

If you were really as good as you think you are, you'd post this on your main account.

Amusing how this applies to almost every controversial topic.

@Zarutaku don't think they need to be controversial even subject like dance or literally any subjects in this world

@CrimsonWanderer and @Bigboyadvance , first of all bakugo is a very well developed character , one of the best deuteragonists , you will know it if you know just one thing abt character development 😉
and i think that you just can't do anything abt what i said so you just use this very stupid argument to avoid it.

@Zakatsuki_ Jeez, reactive much, lol. You just demonstrated to everyone that you're not worth talking to.

Have a good evening mr. Bakugo Enthusiast.

The fact that you gave jjk a 1 and your grammar doesn't really convince me that you can "analyze anime very very very well" brother😭

The fact that you gave jjk a 1 and your grammar doesn't really convince me that you can "analyze anime very very very well" brother😭

bc this manga is pure dogshit but you can't understand since you don't know how to analyze

seems like people on MAL will do everything except respond with REAL arguments

@CrimsonWanderer You probably mad cause he can analyze anime very very very well and you can't.

@Zakatsuki_
I dunno man there are so many problems with what you said.

You literally just said you can analyze anime (and i assume manga) very well, and here you are claiming jjk manga is dogshit without anything to back up. You can say the ending flopped but giving it a 1 is like denying it ever had good moments, which just isnt the case my man. This proves you lack "OBJECTIVITY", which is the number 1 thing you need when you say you are good at analyzing. This is a red flag.


What even is your argument? You are just venting on the internet and posting some sort of effect to make it seem like you are being intellectual when all you are doing is complaining. Let me be honest here: You are just being arrogant. You think others can't analyze this media as good as you; and you think are good because you got good grades in literature classes. You say you arent arrogant but im sorry you are. You don't say you aren't arrogant immediately followed by "ik im crazy good at this" and calling ppl monkeys

Are you Geto from JJK? That dude is an actual villain and wanted to murder everyone for not being the same as him. Are you a villain too?

You aren't even over 18 from the way you talk

@Xypheron Oh no, I can't analyze anime, whatever will I do? 😭😭😭😭😭

@Xypheron do you know how to read , i'm just talking abt people with dunning kruger effect not the other one

@Zakatsuki_

So? Well you gave demon slayer manga a 7 so that means you think its worth 6 points more than JJK? Ok bro. Its funny you say I don't understand rating system when you are exploiting it so hard to suit your own naivity and close mindedness. JJK with an average rating of 8.3 and here you are giving it a 1, while claiming ppl are worse than you in analyzing. Ironic. Are you saying the 200000+ ppl are worse than you because they gave a different score you gave? Because you are sooo good at analyzing right? Anyone not giving JJK a 1 should be ashmed of themselves.


Here is another funny shit you said. Are you lebron? No. No one in the forum actually thinks you are good at analyzing, first of all. Who gave you an award for "BEST ANALYZER ON MAL 2024" or smth like that? Hes won 4 NBA championships, what have you won? Who ever told you that you are actually GOOD at analyzing? No one. Therefore im sorry you are being arrogant.


Secondly, analyzing a media isn't and can never be turned into something that can be compared against one another. This is not a race where we see who run faster. Person A and B can have contrasting opinions as long as they back it up with evidence. You don't seem to understand that this isn't a competition.


You and Geto are the same in being so self centered to think that you are the righteous and superior one, when so little people actually agrees with you. Anyway, I made the Geto reference here because you called people a monkey (geto moment) and you think ppl are worse than you (still geto moment). Its not like Geto didnt accept that there are ppl who are better than him (Gojo). Im not wrong to call you Geto because you talk and act like him

You can apply the Dunning Kruger effect to what this guy was saying. This concept is so versatile that it can be applied to almost anything.

Does it have sibling romance?
Yes->10/10
No-> 1-9/10, further analysis required (remove the y from analysis to get a funny joke)

@Xypheron NO , for example you can't have a dunning kruger effect abt Son goku , but you can have one about DBZ bc son goku does not have enough things to "know abt him" if i can say

never said that , bc if you don't want to analyze thats not a problem , rate like you want , if you just see it as an entertainment , you're not a monkey bc monkeys is people who talk like they're good , but i've might been a little bit too harsh but jjk , but that's also crazy bad

Teachers who have study philosophy and analyze stuff during very hard studies and a lot of people i talked manga and anime with , and i just know myself , it's just like someone is benching 100kg at the bench press , even if no one tells him he's strong , he will know himself that he's very strong.

It actually can , do you know a job called "editors"?
Analyzing media is so important in this job , that during edition university they have entire classes dedicated to analyzing books in the best way possible.

No.
FIrst of all if Geto would exist IRL a lot of people would agree with him , it's just that jjk is not realist (not a criticism) but i reality humans would already be killed just bc they create these monsters who kill so many people inside by losing friends for example.
And i don't think i'm superior , i am , that's it , and it's not arrogance bc i actually is superior on this subject than majority of people who just think being "good" at it , if i was talking about mathematics it would be arrogance bc i'm not strong in math.
Please understand the difference between arrogance and self esteem , and just like Vegeta this arrogance push me better , in this subject where i know that i have to getting better and better to continue to affirm this statement or in gym , where i break my limits everytime only bc of my ego , i don't have motivation , just discipline who exists only bc of my ego bc i will not accept being lazy abt gym.
"You Say I'm Arrogant, I Say Damn Right" Vegeta

@CrimsonWanderer and @Bigboyadvance , first of all bakugo is a very well developed character , one of the best deuteragonists , you will know it if you know just one thing abt character development 😉
and i think that you just can't do anything abt what i said so you just use this very stupid argument to avoid it.

@Zakatsuki_
I dont got a problem with you being confidence in yourself, yknow. There are a lot of stupid people, but how do you know you aren't the stupid one in others eyes? The problem I have with this thread is that you just keep on thinking you are better and feel the urge to tell everyone that without actual proof. Yes, maybe your teachers said you are good. Maybe you also think you are good, but clearly you need to prove it like Lebron did by winning 4 NBAs. But obviously you can't because no one will give you an award here. You can't just be here and say "Im good" no one will listen. With that being said:


Yes, but lifting, running, basketball whatever, its something physical. Analyzing is not a physical thing because there are something called "opinions". If you say you are strong and you bench press 100kg infront of me, I will say you are strong. But you tell me you are better than so many at analyzing, I aint gonna listen.


Yes, I know. My father is actually one. You are saying that analyzing can be compared, and you brought up editors. Editor aren't meant to impose their own opinions on the style of the writing, Im pretty sure you didn't understand this clearly because its what you are doing right now. If the editors are actually so much skilled than the writer themself, they are gonna be the writers, not editing the writings of other people. Their job is to talk about the flaws, grammartically or logically in another person's work, building on to the original work in an objective manner. This is much different than imposing his own writing style on the writers work.


And you must have seen those memes where the teacher ask you whats the meaning behind the writer's words and you just have to bullshit because the author might not even be thinking of anything when they wrote it themselves. Furthermore, your highschool must have taught you many different ways of approaching in an analysis. Linear structure, chronological structure, thematic stucture...You need to understand that what you use isn't the only correct answer. In fact you might be wrong.

Im not gonna talk about jjk here with you because I was half joking when I said Geto and its not the point here.

@Zakatsuki_ Much like every character in BNHA, Bakugo was ripped off from Ansatsu Kyoshitsu. In this case, Bakugo is a ripoff of Akabane Karma, but without any of the charm or wit.

@Commit_Crime since a lot of people have not understood my statement i will use you for example

For example , even if this guy doesn't analyze he doesn't have a dunning kruger effect and I don't think that's a monkey bc he don't pretend to analyze and he's just a chill and cool guy.

My bad here.

Editor in manga doesn't work the same as others editors , i think you should watch Bakuman to truly understand this , but basically , the editor tell to,the scenarist what to do , for example if the antagonists change so much in Cell arc of dbz is bc the editor wanted changement to have a better manga.

No.
i haven't learned anything abt this in high school except maybe the form , i've learned all i know by analysis on ytb and practiced it myself while watching anime or reading manga , like writing notes during the chapter or just thinking during an episod etc.

No, in fact i might be right but only at 100% , like i'm right but i can get even more right if i can say if i have more analyzing skills , basically having the same analyses but with much more arguments and idea (they're already crazy but like i said , i can only get better.)

@Zakatsuki_

Iv heard about this but Im not too knowledgble on how the editing field works in manga industry so no comment from me. Nevertheless, what I said about editing is still true.


I do applaud you for learning independently but still Im not gonna say you have good analytical skills, especially considering you are self-taught which makes it even more vulnerable to get too self arrogant in thinking your own work is good when in reality no one is there to give you actual advice. Just saying.


No. You are arrogant and this proves it. You can't think you are always right. Everybody has made mistakes, Newton did, Einstein makes mistakes. And you are talking about something so multi-faceted like analysis, there isn't always a right answer. What, are you like 14 hitting puberty to think you are the chosen one? Sorry if I sound harsh but this is so ridiculous lmao

@Zimmu no , i literally said the word "only" probing that i'm not the best bc the best is not '"only"

here's the thing , a lot of people can be right abt an analysis without being the same , a character can be analyze in different ways there is multiple right answers and a lot of false, but there is only one true conclusion to an analysis , if we haven't analyze Asuka from evangelion the same way , it's fine but if one of us haven't came to the conclusion that she's representing the angry reaction against depression , one of us is wrong.

There is.

For example i actually got a 18/20 in my essay about "Berserk and philosophy"(i've chosen the fight of guts against causality) , it was 2 years ago , and i'm crazy better now , i can't imagine what i would be cooking right now.
And other people actually tell me this yk

I'm not the chosen one , i don't think i have talent in this or maybe , but a chosen one is someone who is the only one with crazy capacity without doing anything , and absolutely everyone can become as good as me if they want , i think , that will just take a lot of time and work ig but more important a true passion abt this , abt analyzing , abt characters development. (i say characters developments bc the thing i'm the best at is character development since characters make me love or not anime.)


You should , understanding editorial choices and especially recognize them is crucial for analysing mangas.

@Zakatsuki_

Lets just pause our peaceful discussion for a minute. You mentioned something very interesting actually. 1 year ago I wrote a 4000 word on Chainsaw Man.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_PhHdDoWyKOAzmW23jstGSmdwwwO_WQ9DVFBzMrbTgM/edit?usp=sharing

Have a glance at it. Tell me how you would rate this. You dont need to see everything because its 4k words. We can continute the debate later.

@Zimmu it actually sounds very solid , you're cooking here tbh , i would like to know what studies you were doing for doing this btw
I would rate this like 7.5 or 8/10 bc from what i've read you can do better and even go deeper ,and even if that's your subject you rely too much on Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs, you have more potential than that , i'm sure of this , but i can't totally rate if i don't know the expectations of your university etc , for example in middle school that's crazy work but maybe that's the base in your university.

Your work is still very good , especially your analysis of the "use of manga panel" from Fujioto is good

@Zakatsuki_
Thank you very much.

It was meant to be for English, but ended up being a combination of English and Psychology. Also this was for highschool, but a very different program than normal highschool. Hard to explain but, although its English, we can choose to write 4000 words on any subject we wanted and I just happened to choose english.


Ok you are correct on this. I could have, but I can't because I cut so much words to reach the 4000 word bar. I could have written 6000 words easily. You did a good job spotting this out.



Let me ask you a question then. Out of 34 points, how much point do you think my essay got in the end? Since you are so good in analysis, make an educated guess. X/34? I put the answer below but guess first.



Did you get close to the real score I got?

@Zimmu actually very close , because 7.5/10 =25.5/34 and even without this math i would have give you a 25/34 (who is logical if i gave you an 7/10 , if a teacher grade a work on 10 and give 5 , if it was on 20 , he would logically give 10)

Only 2.5 points more than your grade so an error marge of 7% who is not a lot imo but that's why i've said that i can be better , normally in two years i would have an error marge of less than 3.5%.

Have I proved my analysis skills by "grading" your work?

@Zakatsuki_

Good job. You can get a cookie. Im not stingy so yeah Im pretty impressed that your advices and rating were on point. But nevertheless, I still wouldn't be over confident because of that. Realistically, you were analysing an analysis, which is pretty different to analysing an actual anime/manga. You said you did one on Berserk and scored highly so congrats but I did not see it nor I want to tbh. Also, I never said that you aren't good in analysis. That was never my point. My point throughout the debate is that you shouldnt assume people are worse than you at this. You also shouldnt assume you are a genius and always correct. There is a clear line between confidence and arrogance. Thats all I want to say.

Well, I dunno about the community at large, but the opening post definitely reads like a shining example of said effect (whether it's intentional/ironic or not).

what do you mean by "advices on point"?

@Zakatsuki_
You said "even go deeper" which I consider to be an advice which is actually true. However you said I relied on maslow' hierachy of needs, which I disagree but ok. I seperated them in literary analysis and psychological analysis and tried to make each sections' word count as balanced as I could. I didn't try to focus solely on maslows.

But still, an advice is advice.