| Considering how popular tsunderes are and the fact that it was Zero no Tsukama, an anime with one of the most violent tsundere, that originally fueled the whole narou-kei, added to which when a genuinely nice anime girl or boy shows up they immediately get labelled as "trophy waifu/husbando" and hated. Are anime fans just huge masochists that dream of someone who would step on them? Why can't anime fans appreciate more gentle and caring love interests? |
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| "Do you want your waifu/husbando to step on you?" Nope. |
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| Tsunderes arent all violent. They just are a character that is in denial of their feelings. That denial can be cute if done right. |
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Reply to traed
Tsunderes arent all violent. They just are a character that is in denial of their feelings. That denial can be cute if done right.
| @traed But they hit the MC for unnecessarily just because they misunderstood the situation and got jealous. There's nothing cute about a rude person. |
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Reply to BlueMaho
@traed But they hit the MC for unnecessarily just because they misunderstood the situation and got jealous. There's nothing cute about a rude person.
| @BlueMaho There is different ways tsunderes get characterized. There is an obvious reason tsunderes always show up in comedy instead of pure dramas lol Their hits arent meant to be taken seriously. |
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@BlueMaho
There is different ways tsunderes get characterized. There is an obvious reason tsunderes always show up in comedy instead of pure dramas lol Their hits arent meant to be taken seriously.
There is different ways tsunderes get characterized. There is an obvious reason tsunderes always show up in comedy instead of pure dramas lol Their hits arent meant to be taken seriously.
| @traed And I don't find that funny at all, specially when that trope is done to death and most of these anime have love-triangles or harems where the real best girl or guy gets the short end of the stick. |
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Reply to BlueMaho
@traed And I don't find that funny at all, specially when that trope is done to death and most of these anime have love-triangles or harems where the real best girl or guy gets the short end of the stick.
| @BlueMaho That does nothing to support your statement of masochism though. Maybe for some but I think most it doesnt really factor. Although it would be amusing to see a more realistic take on a tsundere where the guy either is not even hurt from her being weak or if he is hurt he just avoids her and leaves her alone to rethink her behaviour. |
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| I have to add that "YES! (I want my waifu/husbando to step on me)" is very different from liking eruptive, mean, rude and/or constantly violent characters. You know - it is possible to favour gentle and caring love interests in everyday life and still want them to step on you occasionally. There are also enough people who think angry girls are very cute, as long as they do not take the heat or can control/tolerate the situation (since the characters are fictitious it is easy to not face the long term consequences of angry behaviour and tolerate the short term attacks ... exaggeration in anime should not be surprising for this reason). |
| "I don't know everything, I only know what the internet knows." - Definitely not best girl. "To ask is a moment's shame. Not to, lifelong." - I quoted with a posed look. |
| Well, if you've been treated badly your entire life by the ppl closest to you, it's no wonder you'd develop masochistic tendencies. |
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| "Are anime fans just huge masochists?" Yes most of them are, not all. |
| I'm actually more of a sadist, so yeah. |
Reply to tanjiromybaby
I'm actually more of a sadist, so yeah.
| @JustMaya JustMaya said: I'm actually more of a sadist, so yeah. So you voted for the option three in the poll? |
Reply to Serafos
"Do you want your waifu/husbando to step on you?"
Nope.
Nope.
"Do you want your waifu/husbando to step on you?" Nope. Exactly this.... Not interested in stuff like that |
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| Yes, I want a confident mistress I can subdue myself to and loyally serve all her needs. |
*kappa* |
| I think its possible, but the breadth of people that watch anime is massive, so even if the percentage is higher than the general population, I still have a hard time believing its more than a minority. The truth is, most people are neither masochists nor sadist. There's a funny joke I saw about this by the youtuber Dougen. He says that basically at some point if you hang around Japanese people enough someone will ask you the fated question "Are you an M or an S?", and once that question is sprung there is no escape. "Ehh.. I don't think I'm either of those"... "Ah, so you are an M?" "N..no, I said neither", "Ah, you are S!", "Excuse me, do you understand that it is possible that a person is neither masochistic nor sadistic?" "Eeto, that makes no sense to me... Uhuh, Yappari kimi wa S da :) " |
| Actually I want someone to step on my back. Not masochistic reasons I just think it might make my back feel nice if they are gentle cracking it. Anjuro said: There's a funny joke I saw about this by the youtuber Dougen. He says that basically at some point if you hang around Japanese people enough someone will ask you the fated question "Are you an M or an S?", and once that question is sprung there is no escape. "Ehh.. I don't think I'm either of those"... "Ah, so you are an M?" "N..no, I said neither", "Ah, you are S!", "Excuse me, do you understand that it is possible that a person is neither masochistic nor sadistic?" "Eeto, that makes no sense to me... Uhuh, Yappari kimi wa S da :) " Assuming if trie I suspect Japanese people might be confusing S&M for meaning same as Submissive and Dominant as part of the reason. |
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Actually I want someone to step on my back. Not masochistic reasons I just think it might make my back feel nice if they are gentle cracking it.
Assuming if trie I suspect Japanese people might be confusing S&M for meaning same as Submissive and Dominant as part of the reason.
Anjuro said:
There's a funny joke I saw about this by the youtuber Dougen. He says that basically at some point if you hang around Japanese people enough someone will ask you the fated question "Are you an M or an S?", and once that question is sprung there is no escape. "Ehh.. I don't think I'm either of those"... "Ah, so you are an M?" "N..no, I said neither", "Ah, you are S!", "Excuse me, do you understand that it is possible that a person is neither masochistic nor sadistic?" "Eeto, that makes no sense to me... Uhuh, Yappari kimi wa S da :) "
There's a funny joke I saw about this by the youtuber Dougen. He says that basically at some point if you hang around Japanese people enough someone will ask you the fated question "Are you an M or an S?", and once that question is sprung there is no escape. "Ehh.. I don't think I'm either of those"... "Ah, so you are an M?" "N..no, I said neither", "Ah, you are S!", "Excuse me, do you understand that it is possible that a person is neither masochistic nor sadistic?" "Eeto, that makes no sense to me... Uhuh, Yappari kimi wa S da :) "
Assuming if trie I suspect Japanese people might be confusing S&M for meaning same as Submissive and Dominant as part of the reason.
| @traed That's basically what it means from what I can gather, if you are the "top" they call is being a "S" and if you are the "bottom" its called being a "M", at least that's the way I understand it, but I'm not japanese so its just my understanding (tbh I don't even know if top and bottom can even be applied to heterosexual relationships but you get what I mean). I guess if you just try to understand the meaning instead of getting caught up with the misused terminology, basically its a question of whether you see yourself as the "leader" in the relationship or if you look to your partner for leadership, it doesn't really have anything to do with S&M, that said, people do also mean it in a sexual way, but not necessarily in an S&M way if that makes sense. Idk, things get weird when you have loanwords that are bastardized like this XD |
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I think its possible, but the breadth of people that watch anime is massive, so even if the percentage is higher than the general population, I still have a hard time believing its more than a minority. The truth is, most people are neither masochists nor sadist.
There's a funny joke I saw about this by the youtuber Dougen. He says that basically at some point if you hang around Japanese people enough someone will ask you the fated question "Are you an M or an S?", and once that question is sprung there is no escape. "Ehh.. I don't think I'm either of those"... "Ah, so you are an M?" "N..no, I said neither", "Ah, you are S!", "Excuse me, do you understand that it is possible that a person is neither masochistic nor sadistic?" "Eeto, that makes no sense to me... Uhuh, Yappari kimi wa S da :) "
There's a funny joke I saw about this by the youtuber Dougen. He says that basically at some point if you hang around Japanese people enough someone will ask you the fated question "Are you an M or an S?", and once that question is sprung there is no escape. "Ehh.. I don't think I'm either of those"... "Ah, so you are an M?" "N..no, I said neither", "Ah, you are S!", "Excuse me, do you understand that it is possible that a person is neither masochistic nor sadistic?" "Eeto, that makes no sense to me... Uhuh, Yappari kimi wa S da :) "
| @Anjuro I remember watching a tsundere maid cafe video on youtube where a Japanese guy paid some 2000 Yen for a glass of water and for the tsundere maid to kick him in the ass while he got down on all fours. Can't find the video on youtube now, I guess it was taken down. There was also another maid cafe video where a Japanese guy requested the maid to slap him. |
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@Anjuro I remember watching a tsundere maid cafe video on youtube where a Japanese guy paid some 2000 Yen for a glass of water and for the tsundere maid to kick him in the ass while he got down on all fours. Can't find the video on youtube now, I guess it was taken down. There was also another maid cafe video where a Japanese guy requested the maid to slap him.
| @BlueMaho From what I understand maid cafes are like that XD (Well, to be more accurate, they are very fetishistic in this sort of way, what you are describing sounds like a maid cafe that specializes in tsundere play). From what I have heard most normal people cannot visit a maid cafe without dying of cringe XD The level of "down bad" you need to be to go to a place like this where girls pretend to be fictional characters and roleplay doing things that make no sense in the real world is "military grade down bad" XD |
| Tsunderes are unbearable. They are either liars who cannot be honest with anyone, even themselves at BEST or violent maniacs who assault their love interests at worst. Their rise in popularity is partly due to how damn boring the traditional Yamato Nadeshiko type was in the early days of anime due to overuse and lack of variety in combination of the most popular romcom anime of the 80's and 90's having Tsunderes in them. What really sucks is that we still have that variety problem. While we have way more -deres to choose from now, the copycat nature of media means that you really only see a very select few ever being used and the tsundere is like a crutch, it is so damn easy to write for that it comes prepackaged with so many tropes to check off like a checklist. Because what is the main issue of almost every romance in anime/manga/LN? That almost no one knows how to fucking write one after they get together. So the "solution" is to drag the damn thing out forever until the series is axed or cannot be milked anymore. And Tsunderes are the easiest way to do that because you can reset the progress back to 0 in a snap of the fingers and have pointless "Will they or won't they" forever. Think about it, those that are too shy/emotionless/traditional really have no innate way to move backwards in a relationship without making the other party unlikable, so at best they can stall right near the finish line which is very unsatisfying. As for Yanderes, dragging that out too long risks the yandere not being very yandere anymore unless they become a serial killer. And while it is nice when they do appear, any series that has the girl being the chaser and upfront cannot last long as the vast majority of the audience would be irritated that things are not progressing since it means the other party is either dense as fuck or actively rejecting her which cannot continue for a lengthily series unless you are very good at writing. External factors can help in all of these, forbidden love, angst, gayngst, a love triangle, a harem situation, magic bullshit, but these things are risky and bad writing can make that worse instead of better. So, combined all that with the fact that so many fans ARE masochists and you can see why tsunderes are so damn popular and prevalent even though it annoys me. |
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| @BlueMaho You do realize you can like a character in fiction without liking the same traits they possess in real life, right? |
| I'm probably more of a sadist considering I find it hot when anime boys are bruised or bloody or in pain or.. I only like male tsunderes though which are absolutely rare. I probably also like them more because they're way less violent than female tsunderes so no I am not lol |
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| Couldn't be me. I'm a tried and true lover of kuuderes. |
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| Personally no but then again I have a no drop policy and literally complete anything that I start watching no matter how excruciatingly bad it is. Idk it's a commitment not a kink |
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@BlueMaho You do realize you can like a character in fiction without liking the same traits they possess in real life, right?
| @LeonhartAugust what in the sigma 😲 |
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| Abuses in a relationship and masochism are two very different things. |
Mucharetsu said: Abuses in a relationship and masochism are two very different things. Not if the abused one enjoys the abuse. The topic is about people who want to be abused by their waifus or husbandos. |
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