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Apr 11, 2024 7:28 AM
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In December 2023, Benesse Corporation in Japan shared the results of its annual survey. They surveyed kids from third to sixth grade between November 10 and 26. The survey had 18,802 participants, including 12,850 girls and 4,728 boys. There are only two anime characters on the list (Ai Hoshino and Frieren).

Top 10 Ranking of Figures Japanese Kids Most Admire in 2023:


  1. Friend
  2. Mother
  3. Ai Hoshino (Oshi no Ko)
  4. School teacher
  5. Snow Man (Japanese boy band)
  6. Shohei Ohtani (Japanese baseball pitcher)
  7. Strawberry Prince (Japanese boy band)
  8. Father
  9. Irregular Dice (Japanese boy band)
  10. Frieren (Frieren: Beyond Journey's End)
Apr 11, 2024 8:26 AM
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oh dear, are 8-11yo legally allowed to watch Oshi no Ko in Japan?
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Anime character like Ai is more admired than Fathers :(

My doctor has always told me to smoke. He even explains himself: “Smoke, my friend. Otherwise someone else will smoke in your place.”

Apr 11, 2024 8:47 AM
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Kids really need better role models.
Entertainers are just fancier clowns if you think about it.
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Girls take Ai Hoshino (who got pregnant in 16 years old) as role model?
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Apr 11, 2024 8:55 AM
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I thought it would be Himmel because I had previously heard about a situation where children/child probably refused to do homework because "Hero Himmel would do that" xD
Apr 11, 2024 9:19 AM
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Japanese children need to watch more Kurosawa.
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Frieren is the most basic, general one dimensional character ever.

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Girls take Ai Hoshino (who got pregnant in 16 years old) as role model?
@Okeanix Gotta increase those national birth rates.
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Frieren is the most basic, general one dimensional character ever.
@Cyrose
Frieren:
> Village murdered by demons
> Adopted by a passing mage
> Only taught magic for revenge to the point of almost losing interest in magic
> Mother figure dies
> Lived the rest of the thousand years in seclusion and obscurity
> Convinced by a young hero to snap out of procrastination
> Went on a "short" ten-year journey that permanently altered her life
> Defeated the Demon King
> The same hero dies and realizes how every second with someone is invaluable
> Went on a journey with the adopted children of her respective friends
> Helps any people they encounter in "small" but impactful ways
> Grows from an apathetic immortal elf to someone that cares about others
> Meanwhile some dude in the internet calls her "basic, one dimensional character"
Apr 11, 2024 4:16 PM
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Oh my, I am surprised by Hoshino Ai name suddenly up there....

it caught me off-guard, as weird as she was, I admire that she was willing to raise her twin children and tried to be the best mother she could.

But I wonder why Japanese kids admire her, I feel like it's not the same admiration as I do :D



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Oh my, I am surprised by Hoshino Ai name suddenly up there....

it caught me off-guard, as weird as she was, I admire that she was willing to raise her twin children and tried to be the best mother she could.

But I wonder why Japanese kids admire her, I feel like it's not the same admiration as I do :D
@Rinrinka they are all want to doe just like her, and that's why japanese population is declining
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Frieren is the most basic, general one dimensional character ever.
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Meanwhile some dude in the internet calls her "basic, one dimensional character"

just a reminder
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@Okeanix Gotta increase those national birth rates.
@Shizuna Hahaha, Shinzo Abe is proudly watching from the afterlife (sorry, had to do it)
Also, lowkey surprised Luffy's not in this list, with how huge is One Piece in Japan
Apr 11, 2024 8:50 PM

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Oh wow, surprising that they have Ai Hoshino on the list as her story is pretty graphic. Makes sense if its just from the song huh.

And surprising for Frieren too. It was actually was that popular AND acclaimed, huh Okeanix?
Apr 11, 2024 10:03 PM

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Frieren deserves to be there.

I love Ai Hoshino, but she should not be a role model for kids lol
Apr 11, 2024 10:46 PM

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@Cyrose
Frieren:
> Village murdered by demons
> Adopted by a passing mage
> Only taught magic for revenge to the point of almost losing interest in magic
> Mother figure dies
> Lived the rest of the thousand years in seclusion and obscurity
> Convinced by a young hero to snap out of procrastination
> Went on a "short" ten-year journey that permanently altered her life
> Defeated the Demon King
> The same hero dies and realizes how every second with someone is invaluable
> Went on a journey with the adopted children of her respective friends
> Helps any people they encounter in "small" but impactful ways
> Grows from an apathetic immortal elf to someone that cares about others
> Meanwhile some dude in the internet calls her "basic, one dimensional character"
@john1234567890 personality “-_-“ frieren is 99% flashbacks

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@john1234567890 personality “-_-“ frieren is 99% flashbacks
@Cyrose Okay, I am 100% sure that you haven't watched Frieren or at least not watched it seriously, lol. And also, did you just over-generalize her personality based on a f*cking comedic moments?

It is just like saying that Kazuma's personality was ONLY based entirely on stealing panties.
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Im disturbed that Oshi no Ko comes right after "Friends" and "Mother" and is ABOVE "Father" xDD


Frieren on 10 is kinda wholesome, tho
Apr 14, 2024 2:48 PM

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Ai Hoshino on the list of role models is above Father...?

Frieren marked as a role model...?

Wacky list, not gonna lie.
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@Cyrose
Frieren:
> Village murdered by demons
> Adopted by a passing mage
> Only taught magic for revenge to the point of almost losing interest in magic
> Mother figure dies
> Lived the rest of the thousand years in seclusion and obscurity
> Convinced by a young hero to snap out of procrastination
> Went on a "short" ten-year journey that permanently altered her life
> Defeated the Demon King
> The same hero dies and realizes how every second with someone is invaluable
> Went on a journey with the adopted children of her respective friends
> Helps any people they encounter in "small" but impactful ways
> Grows from an apathetic immortal elf to someone that cares about others
> Meanwhile some dude in the internet calls her "basic, one dimensional character"
@john1234567890 It's your interpretation of her story. However, technically, she is an one-dimensional character. Hollow personality, heavily dependable on other, certain characters. And that's it. It's nothing bad to be an average shounen character, especially when the manga is still ongoing and the anime adaptation hasn't had all of the arcs released so far shown yet.
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@john1234567890 It's your interpretation of her story. However, technically, she is an one-dimensional character. Hollow personality, heavily dependable on other, certain characters. And that's it. It's nothing bad to be an average shounen character, especially when the manga is still ongoing and the anime adaptation hasn't had all of the arcs released so far shown yet.
@Adnash Could you develop on hollow personality part? What is an hollow personality for you and what make Frieren's personality hollow?
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Eighth place. Oof.



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@Adnash Could you develop on hollow personality part? What is an hollow personality for you and what make Frieren's personality hollow?
@Danakane Hollow personality is a trait that is present among so-called "hollow people":
A "hollow person" is a term often used to describe someone who lacks depth, authenticity, or genuine emotion. It can refer to a person who seems empty or shallow, lacking in substance or true character. This term is often used to express the idea that someone is superficial or lacks meaningful connections with others. Keep in mind that this is a subjective term and can be interpreted in various ways based on individual perspectives.
Source:https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-hollow-person

(apologies in advance for just quoting a post written by a bot; I'm lazy)

Frieren fits this description in general, even if we take into account the last phrase referring to the subjectivity and individuality of this term. Let's just compare Frieren known from the anime to the elements mentioned in the definition I quoted:
  • "lacks depth" - she is always shown as being guided by someone else's will, be it Flamme's or Himmel's;
  • "lacks authenticity" - she says one thing, does another, only to find herself being devoted to something completely different in the end. In short, she is either a hypocrite or too dumb to not be able to create basic objectives in life;
  • "lacks genuine emotion" - Himmel's funeral is the perfect example ofbit, because realistically she doesn't change much after it. She cries when others tell her she should cry, but proceeds to do the same stuff she cried about the moment earlier (weeping about not learning more about Himmel when he was alive, talking about wanting to learn more about humans, only to leave behind her elderly comrades behind, because "muh spells");
  • "heavily dependable on other, certain characters" - guided by the Flamme's will to destroy demons could be understandable, since demons had destroyed her village, but "looking for magic spells", just because Himmel commended her hobby and Flamme was a mage? That's weird;
Therefore, it won't be an overexaggeration to call Frieren as shallow, or at least very basic. She might develop further as the story goes onward, of course. But even going by "average shounen protagonist" standards, Frieren can't be called in a different way than a mediocre character. Again, it's not that she's bad, but also that doesn't mean she's outstandingly great, as some people like to suggest. And well, I would never call her as a potential "role model" character, unless someone wants to live a toxic life, lol.
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@Cyrose
Frieren:
> Village murdered by demons
> Adopted by a passing mage
> Only taught magic for revenge to the point of almost losing interest in magic
> Mother figure dies
> Lived the rest of the thousand years in seclusion and obscurity
> Convinced by a young hero to snap out of procrastination
> Went on a "short" ten-year journey that permanently altered her life
> Defeated the Demon King
> The same hero dies and realizes how every second with someone is invaluable
> Went on a journey with the adopted children of her respective friends
> Helps any people they encounter in "small" but impactful ways
> Grows from an apathetic immortal elf to someone that cares about others
> Meanwhile some dude in the internet calls her "basic, one dimensional character"
@john1234567890 This IS the definition of BASIC. You have the:
- tragic background/origin
- becomes a protege
- not-so-good upbringing
- [insert sth bad] about their parental figure(s)

Even in anime and manga alone, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, these archetypes have been done since AT LEAST Dororo in 1967. Then came Ashita No Joe (1968), then the WMT titles like Alps no Shoujo Heidi (1974), Perrine Monogatari (1978), Akage no Anne (1979), the first Gundam (1979), with some variations here and there ofc. Berserk, Evangelion, and works of Naoki Urasawa and Takehiko Inoue are all history.

And the thing about an immortal being living thousands of years learning to cherish others, we've seen that with Fushi from To Your Eternity, and even better. Bcoz unlike a generic "immortal elf in a high fantasy world with a Demon King and a hero party", he's an originally genderless existence that takes the forms of the inanimate objects or living things that he came into contact with as long as he had "strong sensations" with them of which his long journey we see in the anime all started with THAT boy and the seldom appearance of his mysterious creator in the form of a man in black robes who's indifferent to his creation's torments. He then learns to become a human, make relationships, have happy times, unhappy times etc. Then sth bad emerges and so his journey continues.

Finally, yes, personality. Frieren, for a thousand years, has been all the same since day one. Stoic and inexpressive. And for no reason. She isn't like Saitama who became so bored, somewhat lost his humanity (but still expressive tho) and wishes challenges so that he'd get that lost feeling again, or the opposite of that from emotionless to emotional like Violet Evergarden and Fushi. She's just like that. From her first encounter with Flamme all the way after the exam arc. Save for making some funny faces and her mimic trap stunts, that's all there is about her.
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@Danakane Hollow personality is a trait that is present among so-called "hollow people":
A "hollow person" is a term often used to describe someone who lacks depth, authenticity, or genuine emotion. It can refer to a person who seems empty or shallow, lacking in substance or true character. This term is often used to express the idea that someone is superficial or lacks meaningful connections with others. Keep in mind that this is a subjective term and can be interpreted in various ways based on individual perspectives.
Source:https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-hollow-person

(apologies in advance for just quoting a post written by a bot; I'm lazy)

Frieren fits this description in general, even if we take into account the last phrase referring to the subjectivity and individuality of this term. Let's just compare Frieren known from the anime to the elements mentioned in the definition I quoted:
  • "lacks depth" - she is always shown as being guided by someone else's will, be it Flamme's or Himmel's;
  • "lacks authenticity" - she says one thing, does another, only to find herself being devoted to something completely different in the end. In short, she is either a hypocrite or too dumb to not be able to create basic objectives in life;
  • "lacks genuine emotion" - Himmel's funeral is the perfect example ofbit, because realistically she doesn't change much after it. She cries when others tell her she should cry, but proceeds to do the same stuff she cried about the moment earlier (weeping about not learning more about Himmel when he was alive, talking about wanting to learn more about humans, only to leave behind her elderly comrades behind, because "muh spells");
  • "heavily dependable on other, certain characters" - guided by the Flamme's will to destroy demons could be understandable, since demons had destroyed her village, but "looking for magic spells", just because Himmel commended her hobby and Flamme was a mage? That's weird;
Therefore, it won't be an overexaggeration to call Frieren as shallow, or at least very basic. She might develop further as the story goes onward, of course. But even going by "average shounen protagonist" standards, Frieren can't be called in a different way than a mediocre character. Again, it's not that she's bad, but also that doesn't mean she's outstandingly great, as some people like to suggest. And well, I would never call her as a potential "role model" character, unless someone wants to live a toxic life, lol.
@Adnash I see. I think I can partially agree based on the definition you provided: specifically on the "lack o depth". She did behaved for almost 1000 years according Flamme last will and is currently mostly guided by Himmel memory and legacy.

The "lack of genuine emotion" can be nuanced by the fact that Frieren just doesn't have the same temporality as human, and based on personal experience I know that people don't change overnight even after aknowledging a mistake, on contrary it could be argued that it would have strange if Frieren suddently become an carring person so quickly considering on her perception of time. But true that, specifically, the scene were Frieren suddently cried can be seen as not genuine or at least lack some consistence. If they had removed that crying scene it would have felt more genuine IMO.

I don't agree with the "heavily dependable on other, certain characters" or at least not with the argument, because it was clearly shown that Frieren philosophy on magic predate her time with Himmel. She already had strong opinion about what make magic fun the first time she met Serie. So chronologically, it can't be the influence of Himmel. Maybe Flamme? But I don't remember Flamme having such a strong take on magic unlike Frieren and Serie.

Can't say anything about "lacks authenticity", since I don't remember example at the moment.

Adnash said:
But even going by "average shounen protagonist" standards, Frieren can't be called in a different way than a mediocre character

I don't agree with this take, since even among the popular shonens I think they're easily more "one-dimentional" than Frieren, Like how Naruto personality was solely defined by his desire to aknowledged. Asta was like a worst copy of Naruto. Luffy who... I don't even sure if he had any personality at first, just remember he was unruly and free spirited. Heck even Eren from AoT (a seinen) was literally unbearable for me in season 1 due to how if was completely defined by his hate titans , sure he had good reason to hate them but for the sake of god I wished he could just keep it quiet about it for more than 1 minute. Hate to such magnitude, so powerful that it erases what you were can't be genuine.

Adnash said:
I would never call her as a potential "role model" character, unless someone wants to live a toxic life, lol.

Me neither haha (tho to her defense, Frieren does make effort to change which is commendable in itself). I mean I do think I share a lot personality traits with Frieren (that why I can easily empathize with her), I'm just as socially awkward as her, have strong opinion on my job and hobby too. I'm probably even more uncaring when it comes to relationships. But objectively it can be a rather abrasive personality, so yeah better not use it as a role model.

Edit: Actually, even the "lacks depth" point can be nuanced, considering that collecting rare items and spells is a genuine hobby of hers (and not inherited from just Himmel praising her flower field spell) then the 50 years she spent wandering and searching spells right after the hero party disbanded was something she decided on her own and not under Flamme or Himmel direct guidance. It's a certainly a short sequence but it's there.
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@Danakane Hollow personality is a trait that is present among so-called "hollow people":
A "hollow person" is a term often used to describe someone who lacks depth, authenticity, or genuine emotion. It can refer to a person who seems empty or shallow, lacking in substance or true character. This term is often used to express the idea that someone is superficial or lacks meaningful connections with others. Keep in mind that this is a subjective term and can be interpreted in various ways based on individual perspectives.
Source:https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-hollow-person

(apologies in advance for just quoting a post written by a bot; I'm lazy)

Frieren fits this description in general, even if we take into account the last phrase referring to the subjectivity and individuality of this term. Let's just compare Frieren known from the anime to the elements mentioned in the definition I quoted:
  • "lacks depth" - she is always shown as being guided by someone else's will, be it Flamme's or Himmel's;
  • "lacks authenticity" - she says one thing, does another, only to find herself being devoted to something completely different in the end. In short, she is either a hypocrite or too dumb to not be able to create basic objectives in life;
  • "lacks genuine emotion" - Himmel's funeral is the perfect example ofbit, because realistically she doesn't change much after it. She cries when others tell her she should cry, but proceeds to do the same stuff she cried about the moment earlier (weeping about not learning more about Himmel when he was alive, talking about wanting to learn more about humans, only to leave behind her elderly comrades behind, because "muh spells");
  • "heavily dependable on other, certain characters" - guided by the Flamme's will to destroy demons could be understandable, since demons had destroyed her village, but "looking for magic spells", just because Himmel commended her hobby and Flamme was a mage? That's weird;
Therefore, it won't be an overexaggeration to call Frieren as shallow, or at least very basic. She might develop further as the story goes onward, of course. But even going by "average shounen protagonist" standards, Frieren can't be called in a different way than a mediocre character. Again, it's not that she's bad, but also that doesn't mean she's outstandingly great, as some people like to suggest. And well, I would never call her as a potential "role model" character, unless someone wants to live a toxic life, lol.
@Adnash While I agree with these points, some definitions feel off and the reasons why Frieren fulfill these characteristics feel extremely lazy, as if written by someone who only read a summary of the show.

Depth is extremely loaded term. It's meaning can be subjective, but I think the one from [here] fits well.
It involves questions like why the character does what the character does, what the character thinks, feels, desires, and hates, backstory, and/or how the character sees the world.

Being guided by another person's will doesn't have much to do with depth at all. Both deep or flat characters could be led by others, but the reasons (if any) to follow a person are more important than being led itself.

I'm not actually sure which wills you're referring to here. Following Flamme's will to kill demons is Frieren's will as much as her own. Her entire village was killed by demons after all. Accepting Himmel's proposal to join the party wasn't one dimensional either. She had both reasons to not join the party as well to join -- she mentioned she was afraid of the demon king and hadn't fought demons in 500 years. Choosing not to fight demons for that long, despite her intense hatred for them, absolutely demonstrates some depth.

Authenticity is acting according to one's true self and behaving congruently with values and personality [Source]
Not sure if you've watched the same anime as me if you're not calling Frieren authentic. She's the definition of a character that lives selfishly and hardly considers other when she acts. From how she straight up rejects Heiter's initial request to take Fern, to her constant desires to spend an elvishly long time at certain places, to her stupid morning schedule are all characteristics that build her character. Many people call Frieren autistic, which pretty much has 1:1 correlation with authenticity.

Lacks genuine emotion - Definition is self-explanatory, but your examples don't make sense. She clearly showed genuine emotion when she cried. Acting or changing after experiencing sadness has nothing to do with having genuine emotions. I could cry after a friends death, but if I didn't change after it that doesn't mean my initial emotions were fake. I concede that Frieren's emotions are very subdued, but that's more of a racial trait and is completely different from lacking the emotion altogether.

Given I wrote all this, it's weird to admit, but I do agree that on the idea that Frieren is basic. However, I disagree on the idea that she is one-dimensional, flat, or hollow. Her backstory and motivations for the journey alone goes against that definition. She fulfills the role of a rounded character well, albeit from an alien-like perspective. She may develop more or maybe not. As of now, the series could potentially have at least 60 episodes, so it's too early to judge the growth of Frieren.

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